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<p><span style="font-family:Garamond;"><span style="font-size:14px;"></span></span></p><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"><strong>Somewhere in the future...</strong></div></div></div><p><span style="font-family:Garamond;"><span style="font-size:14px;"></span></span></p><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"> </div></div></div><p><span style="font-family:Garamond;"><span style="font-size:14px;"></span></span></p><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;">

</div></div></div><span style="font-family:Garamond;"><span style="font-size:14px;"></span></span><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"><em>A huddled mass sits expectantly looking up. To say it’s an odd group of individuals would be wrong on two counts. As these people are beyond odd. They’re also no longer merely individuals. </em></div></div></div><p><span style="font-family:Garamond;"><span style="font-size:14px;"></span></span></p><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"><em> </em></div></div></div><p><span style="font-family:Garamond;"><span style="font-size:14px;"></span></span></p><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"><em>

They didn’t all arrive together to this world they find themselves engulfed in. Some came with stars in their eyes, some came with nothing. But day by day their numbers grew, as did their confidence, as did their hunger. </em></div></div></div><p><span style="font-family:Garamond;"><span style="font-size:14px;"></span></span></p><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"><em> </em></div></div></div><p><span style="font-family:Garamond;"><span style="font-size:14px;"></span></span></p><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"><em>

And tonight… they feast. </em></div></div></div><p><span style="font-family:Garamond;"><span style="font-size:14px;"></span></span></p><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"><em> </em></div></div></div><p><span style="font-family:Garamond;"><span style="font-size:14px;"></span></span></p><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"><em>

All eyes on one man, and although he was pacing up and down in a frantic manner, inside he was the most self assured of the lot. For he’d done all of this before. However, he understood the importance of appearance, this wasn’t the time to reassure and calm his people as tonight each man and woman would have to dig deep for every last drop of determination and desire they had. He stopped mid sentence and took a look around the decrepit and over cramped locker room. </em></div></div></div><p><span style="font-family:Garamond;"><span style="font-size:14px;"></span></span></p><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"><em> </em></div></div></div><p><span style="font-family:Garamond;"><span style="font-size:14px;"></span></span></p><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"><em>

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‘Before Penny first got me involved in all this I honestly would have been satisfied if I never stepped foot in a wrestling arena again. It felt like DAVE used up all the fire I had, and then my years working elsewhere stamped out any remains. </div></div></div><p><span style="font-family:Garamond;"><span style="font-size:14px;"></span></span></p><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"> </div></div></div><p><span style="font-family:Garamond;"><span style="font-size:14px;"></span></span></p><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;">

But you know what she’s like, how tenacious she can be. She persuaded me. And well... I’ve never really told you… At least not collectively, but the first few weeks, hell even months, I would question that decision every day, I thought I’d gone mad! You know why I did that? </div></div></div><p><span style="font-family:Garamond;"><span style="font-size:14px;"></span></span></p><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"> </div></div></div><p><span style="font-family:Garamond;"><span style="font-size:14px;"></span></span></p><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;">

Because I’d counted you all out, straight away. Deep down I never thought we’d see this day. But then you did your thing… that thing you all do. It’s the one thing, and only thing, you all have in common. It’s not just never say die no that’s too easy, nobody wants to die. What you all do… is… </div></div></div><p><span style="font-family:Garamond;"><span style="font-size:14px;"></span></span></p><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"> </div></div></div><p><span style="font-family:Garamond;"><span style="font-size:14px;"></span></span></p><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;">

</div></div></div><span style="font-family:Garamond;"><span style="font-size:14px;"></span></span><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"><em>The room has barely moved taking in each word.</em></div></div></div><span style="font-family:Garamond;"><span style="font-size:14px;"></span></span><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"> </div></div></div><p><span style="font-family:Garamond;"><span style="font-size:14px;"></span></span></p><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"> </div></div></div><p><span style="font-family:Garamond;"><span style="font-size:14px;"></span></span></p><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;">

Well you shoot for the f***ing moon! EVERY SINGLE TIME!</div></div></div><p><span style="font-family:Garamond;"><span style="font-size:14px;"></span></span></p><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"> </div></div></div><p><span style="font-family:Garamond;"><span style="font-size:14px;"></span></span></p><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;">

No matter who tells you not to, no matter how many times you hear it you aim right at that moth**f*****!</div></div></div><p><span style="font-family:Garamond;"><span style="font-size:14px;"></span></span></p><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"> </div></div></div><p><span style="font-family:Garamond;"><span style="font-size:14px;"></span></span></p><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;">

Well now ladies and gentlemen, now is time to take off, to prove everyone wrong, land on that moon and stick one giant flag for all to see. Make that flag so big that anytime any doubting f***er looks up at the sky he is reminded that he’s </div></div></div><span style="font-family:Garamond;"><span style="font-size:14px;"></span></span><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"><strong>nothing</strong></div></div></div><span style="font-family:Garamond;"><span style="font-size:14px;"></span></span><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"> to us because we're not like him!</div></div></div><p><span style="font-family:Garamond;"><span style="font-size:14px;"></span></span></p><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"> </div></div></div><p><span style="font-family:Garamond;"><span style="font-size:14px;"></span></span></p><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;">

Not at all... because </div></div></div><span style="font-family:Garamond;"><span style="font-size:14px;"></span></span><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"><strong>WE ARE ELITE!</strong></div></div></div><p><span style="font-family:Garamond;"><span style="font-size:14px;"></span></span></p><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"> </div></div></div><p><span style="font-family:Garamond;"><span style="font-size:14px;"></span></span></p><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;"><div style="margin-left:25px;">

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<span style="font-family:Garamond;"><span style="font-size:10px;"><em>P.S This is later revealed to be a dream of Penny Williams and not an actual vision of the future... </em></span></span><span style="font-family:Garamond;"><span style="font-size:10px;"><span style="font-size:8px;"><em> Or is it?</em></span></span></span></p>

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<p>BACK IN THE GAME! </p><p> </p><p>

Well it's been a while since my last outing and just like my main man above Phil Vibert I feel like I've got one last go in me*</p><p> </p><p>

<span style="font-size:8px;">*At least until TEW2020 that is. </span></p><p> </p><p>

So this is Elite Pro Wrestling, I've taken the company out of the default database. I'm trying quite a few things in this project that I've never done before... both in terms of the format and the content. Things might get a little weird! But hopefully some of you will join me for the ride. </p><p> </p><p>

In general I want to let the actual posts do the talking, but just as an intro this is going to not actually follow the shows of EPW but is supposed to be a youtube style show following the creation and running of EPW. Hopefully it all makes sense, I'm thinking a mixture of Being The Elite/Lucha Underground/ and The Office, perhaps a sprinkling of The Muppets in there.</p><p> </p><p>

It is still going to be following a TEW game save that obviously will have EPW shows, you just won't get as close a look at that side of things as usual. Basically I'll go to any lengths to avoid having to right match write ups out as that tends to kill my writing interests so allows me to focus 100% of everything else whilst still having the matches that I book in game matter.</p>

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Awesome! In my save I made ELITE Pro my dev (made my own version) because I frickin love their logo!! Good luck with this man! I am sure that it'll be great

 

I must admit the logo is like 80% of why I chose them. I've also edited them to the point where it's essentially my own version instead of the default data.

 

Yes Ape!! So glad to have you back my friend!!

 

Finally..... The Ape HAS COME BACK........ Home.

 

But yes I'm enjoying getting back into reading a lot of the diaries. I've checked back every so often and one of the only constants is you. It's strange to not see you with a WWE diary but I do prefer C-verse ones 90% of the time. On one hand 2020 being round the corner might kill interest in diaries for 16 but hopefully it has the opposite affect and just gets people interest in the game in general, like it obviously has with me!

 

 

 

So here is the first show. Over the years I've taken plenty of pages out of the Eisen-verse playbook and today is no different. I must say I've always considered posting in this pdf format because it is so much quicker to make but never really thought people would read it if they have to click on it. Maybe I'm right, time will tell.

 

Although posts will mostly be in this pdf format. The actual content will change quite drastically really. There's a few stages to it all I have planned and this is very much the intro stage.

 

 

 

One small thing; I have no idea whether the saying 'in for a penny, in for a pound' is just a UK thing. So for any non brits... you might as well just leave and never come back.

 

But in all seriousness it basically means if you're doing something you might as well do it to the end/do it well. Like if you're betting a penny you might as well just bet a pound. So that's the name of her show as it's about her trying out different things and going 'all in'. And her name is Penny....

 

That said if you think it's an awful name it's not important and it's not staying for long...

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Do you want to be a STAR?

 

Do you have TALENT?

 

Do you want to try something NEW?

 

We're looking for HARDCORE performers who love performing in front of a crowd.

 

If you're willing to give us your time and energy then we will make you FAMOUS!

 

Disclaimers

* Physical fitness is important but grit and determination more so.

** Must be available on the 2nd of January 2016.

***Must be willing to endure the physicality of professional wrestling.

****Prior to the shows there will be an unpaid training camp where you will learn all you need.

 

 

 

The meta spiral continues.

 

So this is a diary

about a game

where there is a vlog

about running a wrestling promotion

and they are running an advert looking for wrestlers

which will (hopefully) be responded to by people reading the diary, thus completing the circle.

 

So please feel free to come up with someone for ELITE. I'm looking for any type of people in ring/non wrestlers male/female. Ideally people who haven't wrestled before. So I guess all I'd like to know is;

 

Why do they want to be a star and what makes them think they can be?

Do they have any talents?

What do they look like?

Any other information I should know about them?

And I suppose what their name is unless you want them to be called Jim Jimson as that's pretty much the limits of my creativity.

 

(Don't worry about going as weird as you like for this).

 

I can't guarantee all everyone will be used a lot but hopefully there is a place in ELITE for all the people of LA looking for work.

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I must admit the logo is like 80% of why I chose them. I've also edited them to the point where it's essentially my own version instead of the default data.

Yess same with my dev one, I have two devs, one for MW's and above and one for LW's and below (using the Fierce logo)

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You had me at Swanson. It wouldn't share the vicinity with Ritner by any chance, would it? ;)

 

Love the layout, love the format, love that Phil Vibert has his own Heyman's Hustle. This is April O'Neil dodges the sewers and finds the Godfather of Hardcore.

 

Can't wait for Ep 2. Great stuff, man.

 

Thanks a lot! Yeah that's a real good way of putting it, I like that. (Although I must admit I hate to google to remind myself who April O'Neil is).

 

I was wondering if anybody would get the Swanson reference, I thought it was subtle but no it was found by probably the first person to read it! I suppose if I didn't want to hit the nail too squarely on the head with the ELITE/ECW comparison I shouldn't have used the street name.

 

Yess same with my dev one, I have two devs, one for MW's and above and one for LW's and below (using the Fierce logo)

 

I'm not sure I've seen the Fierce one, which surprises me because I looked through a lot of logos trying to find the right one. In general I stuck mostly with Kamtchaka's as I've always loved his stuff and he didn't let me down with the ELITE one.

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Thanks a lot! Yeah that's a real good way of putting it, I like that. (Although I must admit I hate to google to remind myself who April O'Neil is).

 

I was wondering if anybody would get the Swanson reference, I thought it was subtle but no it was found by probably the first person to read it! I suppose if I didn't want to hit the nail too squarely on the head with the ELITE/ECW comparison I shouldn't have used the street name.

 

All good man. It was subtle. I'm just a massive ECW fanboy. :D

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Haha! Thanks for the advert <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> I'm about half way through so far, and it's epic!! <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="christmas_ape" data-cite="christmas_ape" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46782" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'm not sure I've seen the Fierce one, which surprises me because I looked through a lot of logos trying to find the right one. In general I stuck mostly with Kamtchaka's as I've always loved his stuff and he didn't let me down with the ELITE one.</div></blockquote><p> <img alt="v8d7xaJ.jpg" data-src="https://imgur.com/v8d7xaJ.jpg" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> Here's the FIERCE logo!</p>
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<p></p><div style="text-align:center;"><a href="https://docdro.id/WzNzPi7" rel="external nofollow"><strong><span style="font-size:18px;">EPISODE 2</span></strong></a></div><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p> </p><p>

P.S At the moment I've just been picking a random diary/any I've read to use for the advert but if anyone wants me to use there's in any future ones (and wants to tell me what to put) just send me a message. </p><p> </p><p>

As Penny says, still time to send your people in to be future ELITE roster members. Either way there will still be different reader participation stuff coming up.</p>

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<p></p><div style="text-align:center;"><p></p><a href="https://docdro.id/L8CpWQf" rel="external nofollow"><strong><span style="font-size:18px;">EPISODE 3</span></strong></a></div><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p>

The final auditions are here!</p><p> </p><p>

I guess now's good a time as any to explain a bit of the behind the scenes. </p><p> </p><p>

So whilst doing this I'm slowly creating the pictures for the new people. These are not in the C-Verse at the amount and will be completely new workers that I'm adding into my database. </p><p> </p><p>

Elite will start with very low popularity obviously, but not 0. My thinking is let's take Heyman as a RL example, it would be impossible for him to open up (or even just be heavily involved) in a wrestling show and it be a 0. I mean 0 (at least to me) is like if I personally was going to put a show in some village in England.</p><p> </p><p>

I think even if Phil Vibert was just to tweet, hey I'm putting on my first show since DAVE on this day, it would immediately have more people following it than a random independent. </p><p> </p><p>

Add to this the vlog, Penny isn't supposed to be some huge youtube star, but my thinking is she still makes a living from it. So these vidoes would at least mean something to the shows popularity. </p><p> </p><p>

That said, I still haven't decided actually how popular to start the company. (any opinions welcome) </p><p> </p><p>

In terms of the wrestlers though, they are all pretty much completely unknowns, again though I'd like to think the vlog would add at least a tiny bit of popularity. </p><p> </p><p>

Wrestling ability wise they're all going to be fairly awful, but depending how bootcamp goes some will have a little skill in certain areas. Just letting you know in advance so you're aware that bootcamp matters not just in storyline but for the actual creation of the characters. </p><p> </p><p>

I'll be getting you all involved when it comes to the wrestlers starting popularity, as most will be super low but in my head one or two of them would gain a bit of boost by being liked by Penny's viewers (aka you).</p>

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Hey, thanks for the advertisement. Didn't see that coming at all. Really enjoy the format of your shows.

 

Really enjoying this so far, can’t wait to see the first show!

 

Appreciate the comments guys.

 

 

Episode 4

 

Just a couple more episodes until the first show. I've made most the characters now in game but might do a few test shows just to make sure it's balanced nicely before starting what will be the proper save. I need to hit that sweet spot where the in game grades matches the story I want to tell.

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Here is the quick survey for choice of referee, a brief description of them is on the final page of the show above.

 

I was going to also do one for announcer/commentator as I'll need them in game. But realistically ELITE wouldn't actually have one yet, so for now I'll use a random one in game. It's a bit strange that in game you need an announcer/colour team until you get PPV or TV but I'm pretty sure you do get penalties without them.

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<p><span style="font-size:14px;"><strong>Predictions for ELITE Pro Wrestling! </strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size:14px;"> </span></p><p><span style="font-size:14px;">

Yoshimi Ito (with Ricky Embolo) vs Jackie Daniels (with Jack Daniels)</span></p><p><span style="font-size:14px;">

Superstar Troy Taylor vs Ivan Ovlenko</span></p><p><span style="font-size:14px;">

Vincent Todd vs Shaun Higgins vs Noodle Clown</span></p><p><span style="font-size:14px;">

Big Mama Sal vs Katrina Ovlenko</span></p><p><span style="font-size:14px;"> </span></p><p><span style="font-size:14px;">

</span><span style="font-size:14px;"><strong>Bonus</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size:14px;">

What overall grade with the show get?</span></p><p><span style="font-size:14px;">

What will be the highest rated match?</span></p><p><span style="font-size:14px;"> </span></p><p><span style="font-size:14px;">

</span><span style="font-size:14px;"><strong>Optional</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size:14px;">

Which roster members do you think deserves a slight popularity bump?</span></p><p><span style="font-size:14px;">

Which roster members have you not connected with at all and should start with 0 pop?</span></p><p><span style="font-size:14px;">

</span></p><p>

(I've got the game ready to play in TEW but will adjust some of the popularity in the editor prior to running it based on responses to this.)</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>

Side note: So as you can probably tell I'm using WWE 2k19. Now the whole time I've been doing this I've spent so long on the characters and the ring mostly because WWE2k19 has literally been running in slow motion, it also kept randomly crashing. So sometimes even doing something that nobody will even notice, like changing their attire for one different scene then changing it back for the next, has taken stupidly long.</p><p> </p><p>

For some stupid reason I only now googled it because my laptop is fairly decent so shouldn't be so slow. Turns out it doesn't use Nvidia graphics card by default and you have to set it manually. So this whole time it's been trying to run without using the GPU. So now it's twice as fast. Just a pain to only now work it out. </p><p> </p><p>

Another annoying story is I wanted to get a picture of the ending of the Troy vs Ivan fight. I wanted it to be a submission finish so I made the match a submission match, because it's in slow motion it's impossible to actually play the game so I made it AI vs AI. Waited 10 minutes for them to get into the ring, then I watched it for SO long and they just didn't do a submission move. I have no idea if it's because they literally didn't have one in their move set or what but I must have had the match on in the background for about 45 minutes before thinking screw this. </p><p> </p><p>

Going forward now I can actually play the game it will be a LOT easier to just control the characters and create the photos I want. It's strangely fun to sort of be the photographer and try to get good moments.</p>

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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="King Bison" data-cite="King Bison" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46782" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>If I may be aggressively American for a moment, reading fortnight in an actual sentence amuses me. <p> </p><p> This has been great so far! Mister Giggles is highly entertaining and I believe in Ivan Ovlenko! Get him in the ring</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> And I'm so British is took me a minute to realise (or should I say realize?) what you were on about there!</p><p> </p><p> I'm happy someone likes Ivan. He was a last minute addition both in storyline and in reality. I like the idea that he's a bit of a prick to 99% of people but is a genuinely great uncle. Mister Giggles/Noodle Clown is definitely the easiest to write although in time I'd hope to give him a bit more of a character/explore how he actually thinks he's a real clown/what on earth that actually is.</p>
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<p>Finally up to date with all the episodes - thanks for the plug!</p><p> </p><p>

Really enjoyed the build up to this first show. Really funny, interesting characters and I'm looking forward to how everything progresses. I'm a really big fan of the format, the vlog aspect comes across well.</p><p> </p><p>

<strong>Yoshimi Ito (with Ricky Embolo)</strong> vs Jackie Daniels (with Jack Daniels)</p><p>

<em>Feels like she has more potential, Jackie isn't as into it and the Goat Cadavers need one win</em></p><p>

<strong>Superstar Troy Taylor vs Ivan Ovlenko</strong></p><p>

Some kind of draw, I don't see either of them wanting to put the other over!</p><p>

Vincent Todd vs Shaun Higgins vs <strong>Noodle Clown</strong></p><p>

<em>Shaun takes the fall to appease Vincent, but Noodle Clown's Moonsault is the big spot the match needs</em></p><p>

<strong>Big Mama Sal</strong> vs Katrina Ovlenko</p><p>

<em>Can build Sal up, while putting some sympathy on Katrina. Feels like there's a long-term story with Katrina as the underdog, who will eventually rise up and be confident enough to show her face.</em></p><p> </p><p>

Bonus</p><p>

What overall grade with the show get? <strong>F+</strong></p><p>

What will be the highest rated match? <strong>Troy Taylor vs. Ivan Ovlenko</strong></p><p> </p><p>

Optional</p><p>

Which roster members do you think deserves a slight popularity bump? <strong>Katrina (people will connect with her story), Noodle Clown (he stands out for obvious reasons), maybe the Goat Cadaver members and Sal (I can imagine her ramblings going viral)</strong></p><p>

Which roster members have you not connected with at all and should start with 0 pop? <strong>Not that I haven't connected, but by design Shaun Higgins isn't going to catch the eye as much. Troy came in late too, but he does claim to have experience, so IDK. Maybe Jackie and Jack as well. Not that any of those are bad characters, but if anyone has to start with zero I'd go with some of those</strong></p>

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