Fleisch Posted October 5, 2021 Author Share Posted October 5, 2021 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="theeaglexiii" data-cite="theeaglexiii" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47565" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Sounds like a good compromise!<p> </p><p> Got a few more random bits I’ll leave here in case you want them.</p><p> </p><p> Workers:</p><p> - Jeff Jones should be added to ECW roster as a ref (w/ Heel Ref gimmick)</p><p> - Pee-Wee Moore should be added to ECW roster as a ref</p><p> - Al Snow should probably have Flavour of the Month attribute as he was just getting super over in ECW with the Head gimmick at this time</p><p> - Sabu is married to someone outside the business</p><p> - RVD gets married in 98 to someone outside the business</p><p> - Joel Gertner gets married in early 98 to someone outside the business</p><p> - Justin Credible should have a friendships with Sean Waltman and Scott Hall?</p><p> </p><p> Broadcasting:</p><p> - The next episode of ECW Hardcore TV is #247</p><p> </p><p> Production Values:</p><p> - Music possibly should be changed to at least Minor Licensed? May be tough to find a balance because they used a mixture of their in house band(s) doing original songs and covers/knock-offs, and using huge tracks like Enter Sandman, Back in Black, etc. IIRC I think Heyman admitted most of the time they didn’t have permission to use the licensed music. So, I dunno, maybe Minor Licensed or Licensed may best replicate that?</p><p> </p><p> Ongoing storylines at the time were:</p><p> - Taz vs Shane Douglas vs Bam Bam Bigelow</p><p> - Sabu (w/ RVD and Bill Alfonso as support) vs Sandman</p><p> - Lance Storm vs Chris Candido (w/ Sunny as support)</p><p> - Justin Credible vs Tommy Dreamer & Mikey Whipwreck</p><p> - The Dudleys vs New Jack, Spike & Kronus</p><p> - F.B.I. vs Axl Rotten & Balls Mahoney</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Thank you for this. Storylines I am going to put in last for WWF, WCW and ECW so will keep a note of those. I'm working late this week and next so probably won't have time to work on the mod until maybe Friday/Saturday and then the following Friday after that but if people can keep the fixes coming, I will hopefully have a V1 up by the 16th/17th(?)</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sco xY2Jx Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 <p>Man, I've only just checked in and I see there's a 98' mod coming this way? Hot damn!</p><p> Your mods are always a good ride, Fleisch. Looking forward to 98' when it's released as 92' is a blast!</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kattel Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 Hey. Can't wait for that 98' mod. Noticed that the WWE Women's title is completely missing the Alundra Blayze years from 1993 to 1995. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleisch Posted October 6, 2021 Author Share Posted October 6, 2021 Did a little updating today as had a spare hour. Everything on this list is fixed. Thanks to everyone who has given feedback so far - it's been a huge help. We're still on course for a release on 16th October (baring no major issues arising). ================== Updates for V1 ================== Default Name Changes: Alexander The Great is now Big Dick Dudley Devon Hughes is now Brother D-Von Mark LoMonico is now Borther Ray El Cholo Deleted (Duplicate of Cholo) Added Chastity to the data and ECW roster The Rock given a stats overhaul Chris Jericho given a stats overhaul Triple H given a stats overhaul Steve Austin given a stat update Chris Benoit slight boost to brawling Owen Hart Experience, Respect and Reputation boosted Rey Misterio Jr. boost to Flying/Flashiness Chuck Palumbo given a stat update Billy Kidman no longer set as a Road Agent Goldberg set as a wrestler (no idea why he wasn't) Bobby Walker no longer Occasional Wrestler Ernest Miller no longer has Announcer Role Scott Steiner set to Powerhouse (Christ knows why he was set as Technical Flyer!) Cancerbero alter-ego set to Messala (Ages 24 - 30) D'Lo Brown removed non-wrestling roles Bobby Heenan given a popularity decrease Bruno Sammartino attribute addition(s): "Keeps Kayfabe" Chris Kanyon attribute addition(s): "Very Creative", "Can Play Comedy" & "Can Play Mysterious/Occult" Chris Kanyon attribute removal(s): "Can't Play Comedy" & "Can't Play Bad Ass" Mitsuhiro Matsunaga attribute addition(s): "Deathmatch Wrestler" Terry Funk attribute addition(s): “Can’t Stay Away”, “Talent Spotter”, “Plays Offbeat/Unstable Well”, “Passes on Knowledge”, “Desperado” and "Troublesome Knee" Michael Cole attribute changes: "Better As Babyface", "Can't Play Badass", "Can't Play Dominant", "Faithful", "Plays Realistic Well", "Plays Weasely/Underdog Well" & "Professional" Alex Wright set to Fluent in English Yokozuna added to WWE but on hiatus with his weight issues until May 1998 Worker Relations: Eric Bishoff Strong Dislike of Honky Tonk Man Worker Relations: Justin Credible Strong Friendships with Scott Hall and Sean Waltman Sam Houston Relationship set to "No" Al Snow, Brakus, Droz, Doug Furnas & Phil LaFon all given Developmental deals with ECW (WWF contracted) Bill Alfonso added back to ECW (Managing Sabu & RVD) Nicole Bass added to ECW (Given 2 month hiatus to simulate being sent away for trianing) Jason Knight set to Manage Justin Credible Francine set to Manage Shane Douglas Sunny set to Manage Chris Candido Joel Gertner set to Manage The Dudleys Bill Wiles added to ECW (3 appearance deal) Gran Naniwa, Gran Hamada & Great Sasuke added to ECW (1 month loan deals) Sign Guy Dudley set to Personality CW Anderson set to Middleweight Damien Steele set to Middleweight Darren Drozdov set to Light Heavyweight Frank Stalletto set to Middleweight Matt Anoa'i set to Heavyweight and made available in Japan Ekmo made available in Japan El Diamante Nationality set to Dominican Danny Daniels given Wrestler role. Removed Occasional & Road Agent El Gallego date of birth - June 1968 Frank Finnegan date of birth - July 1966 El Oriental added to CMLL Pee Wee Moore added to ECW Jeff Jones added to ECW Al Snow attribute addition(s): "Flavour of the Month" The Rock attribute addition(s): "Shoots from the Lip" Sabu relationship set to "Married" Rob Van Dam relationship set to "Engaged" Joel Gertner relationship set to "Engaged" Fray Tormenta Style Changed to luchador. Debut set to 1974. Set to Occasional Wrestler Fray Torments attribute addition(s): 15 of them so not listing them all! Gabe Sapolsky added to ECW (Backstage worker) - Protege of Paul Heyman Garuda debut - June 2000 Updated WWF Women's title lineage (belt is retired at this point) Gene Snitsky set to Heavyweight Giant Silva alter ego: Gigante Silva (Mexico) Hanzo Nakajima is set as absent for 2 years Gosaku Goshogawara attribute addition(s): "Deathmatch Wrestler", High Pain Threshold" and "Risks Injury" Hayato Nanjyo added to NJPW HC Loc set to Hardcore style and Lightweight Homeless Jimmy date of birth - July 1973. Also made available in Japan. Hiroyuki Kondo set to Technician Kurt Angle debut set to August 1998 JJ Rougeau debut set to June 2001 Horshu added to WCW Inferno Kid set to Middleweight John Zandig set to Middleweight Joe Applebaumer added to APW Popularity Boosts (64 female workers) Popularity Boosts (411 male workers) Tag Team: Chris Candido & Lance Storm (ECW) Tag Team: Tommy Dreamer & The Sandman (ECW) Tag Team: Rob Van Dam & Sabu (ECW) Tag Team: Danny Doring & Roadkill (ECW) - I changed Doring from Danny Morrison to Danny Doring (even though it was mid January in real life before he would use this name). Tag Team: Tracy Smothers & Little Guido (ECW as Full Blooded Italians) Tag Team: New Jack & Kronus (ECW as The Gangstanators) Tag Team: Blue Meanie & Super Nova (ECW as b.W.o) Tag Team: Chris Chetti & Jerry Lynn (ECW) Tag Team: Ekmo & Matt Anoa'i (FMW as The Samoans) Tag Team: Ekmo & Matt Anoa'i (WWF as Three-Minute Warning) Tag Team: Ekmo & Matt Anoa'i (None as The Island Boys) WCW Production changes (also slight boost in Popularity) WWF Production changes ECW Production changes and Backstage Rules changed WCW & NJPW Trading Agreement added ECW & WWF Positive Relationship, Agree not to steal and ECW accept development deals from WWF. ECW & WCW Hostile Relationship ECW & FMW Positive Relationship, Talent Trade and Agree not to steal. ECW & MPro Postive Relationship, Agree not to Steal/Sign Added GWF Training School ECW Event Schedule reworked Normal (Shown on PPV in 98) ECW November To Remember ECW Heatwave ECW Wrestlepalooza ECW Living Dangerously ECW Cyberslam ECW Hostile City ECW Hardcore Heaven (when it revives) ECW Guilty as Charged (when it revives) Lesser (were not on PPV or TV) ECW A Matter of Respect (VHS only) ECW House Party (VHS only) ECW It Ain't Seinfeld (VHS only) ECW UltraClash (VHS only) ECW Hardcore TV set to #247 Dragon Bombers stable set to inactive in NJPW Raging Staff stable set to inactive in NJPW National Wrestling Alliance stable added to WWF (Jeff Jarrett, Rock n' Roll Express & Jim Cornette) WWF Invaders stable added to ECW (Lance Wright, Brakus, Darren Drozdov, Phil LaFon, & Doug Furnas) The Dudleys stable added to ECW (Buh Buh, D-Von, Big Dick, Sign Guy and Joel Gertner) Justin Credibles Entorage stable added to ECW (Justin Credible, Jason, Nicole Bass & Chastity) Several typo mistakes fixed New Undertaker picture (save it as The Undertaker_alt3.jpg) New Ted DiBiase picture (save it as Ted DiaBiase_alt.jpg) Added WCW/nWo Spring Stampede logo (save it as WCW nWo Spring Stampede.jpg) ==================== Known Issues ==================== * ECCW are set as closed due to lack of info for members of their roster. * Employment Histories need updating. * NWA Florida Tag Team title lineages not done * NWA Georgia Tag Team title lineages not done * Scott Steiner picture. I know he still had dark hair and a dark goatee in January 1998 but if you can find a good picture of him with that look I will change his picture (this is why he has the bleached look he was sporting in February 1998). * Need a younger picture for Anthony Kingdom James * I forgot to finish APW... they will be done for next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthefunkchris Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 Oh.. Sorry, I'm about 9 days early. This mod looks great.. All the work, information, and back to back history... .... .... and the Modder is doing a great job too!!:cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wuotan Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 I went through the WWF roster and looked at the attributes. Here are my impressions: Attributes: Steve Austin: Very Creative A Marketing Dream Chris Jericho Wrestling in The Blood Age is just a Number Easily Marketable Musician Ahead of their Time Animal und Hawk Tag Team Specialist John Bradshaw Tag Team Specialist Amazing Heel (instead of 100% Heel) Kip James Tag Team Specialist Cactus Jack can you turn him into Mick Foley and Cactus Jack as Alter Ego? Creative Terry Funk Deathmatch Wrestler Ahead of their Time Wrestling in The Blood Edge Tag Team Specialist Easily Marketable Wrestling in The Blood Christian Tag Team Specialist Wrestling in The Blood Faarooq Tag Team Specialist Brian Armstrong Tag Team Specialist Glenn Jacobs Plays Mysterious well The Undertaker Keeps Kayfabe Plays Mysterious well A Marketing Dream Age is just a Number Wrestling in The Blood Ahead of their Time Paul Levesque Amazing Heel Easily Marketable Age is just a Number Wrestling in The Blood Bodybuilder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jean-vic Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 I went through the WWF roster and looked at the attributes. Here are my impressions: Attributes: Steve Austin: Very Creative A Marketing Dream Chris Jericho Wrestling in The Blood Age is just a Number Easily Marketable Musician Animal und Hawk Tag Team Specialist John Bradshaw Tag Team Specialist Amazing Heel (instead of 100% Heel) Kip James Tag Team Specialist Cactus Jack can you turn him into Mick Foley and Cactus Jack as Alter Ego? Creative Terry Funk Deathmatch Wrestler Edge Tag Team Specialist Easily Marketable Christian Tag Team Specialist Faarooq Tag Team Specialist Brian Armstrong Tag Team Specialist Glenn Jacobs Plays Mysterious well The Undertaker Keeps Kayfabe Plays Mysterious well A Marketing Dream Age is just a Number Wrestling in The Blood Paul Levesque Amazing Heel Easily Marketable Age is just a Number Wrestling in The Blood Bodybuilder Should probably have Age is Just a Number for Glenn Jacobs as well. He performed full time longer than both Undertaker and Triple H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 Not sure about the 98 mod, but in the 92 mod ABC, CBS, FOX, and NBC are set as Cable Commercial broadcasters when they should be Terrestrial Commercial FOX is strangely set up to have huge coverage in Canada, but Big in US. It's a US based network so should have more coverage in the States than Canada. Also, Paramount Network is showing opening March 83, which is accurate, but at the time it was The Nashville Network. It didn't become Paramount Network until 2018. Nashville Network is also in the data. Syfy should be the Sci-Fi Channel with a change to Sci-Fi in 99 and a change to SyFy in 2009. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleisch Posted October 8, 2021 Author Share Posted October 8, 2021 Ongoing storylines: WWF - Between a Rock & A Stone Cold Place (this story includes The Nation and Cactus Jack as support) - The Sibling Rivalry of Destruction - D-Generation X - Same old s@!# - Property of a Jealous Marc Mero - Gang Warz... the end. (DOA & Los Boricuas) WCW - Goldbergs Streak - Hall and The Living Legend - Hart vs. Flair - Who is really the best? - nWo Dissension - The War with WCW continues! ECW - A Franchise, A Suplex Machine & A Beast - Best of Enemies - Tag Team Title Storm - Incredible? Whipwreck thinks Otherwise - Beer Drinking, Cane Swinging, Death Defying Story - The Dudleys vs. The Gangstanators - The FBI (no not that one) versus The Freaks In Goldbergs Streak story, I had to put a second person so I put Tony Schiavone as he calls the matches (not really sure what else to do - suggestions that don't involve putting him in the nWo vs. WCW story welcome). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outb0undflight Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 In Goldbergs Streak story, I had to put a second person so I put Tony Schiavone as he calls the matches (not really sure what else to do - suggestions that don't involve putting him in the nWo vs. WCW story welcome). Honestly, might be the best solution. IRL he just beats Brad Armstrong at Superbrawl and then beats Raven for the US Title on Nitro the next night, so even his title win isn't really the result of a storyline. Actually, speaking of which, you should probably add Benoit vs. The Flock to the storylines. That story won't end until Souled Out when Benoit finally beats Raven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wuotan Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 Kurt Angle Giving Performer Glenn Jacobs Tag Specialist Squash Master Age is Just a Number Booker T Future Colour Tag Specialist Bret Hart Tag Specialist Ric Flair Giving Performer Ahead of their Time Bill Goldberg A Marketing Dream Squash Master Curt Hennig Manager Colour Diamond Dallas Page Fitness Fanatic Sid Vicious Squash Master Vader Squash Master Bam Bam Bigelow Squash Master Paul Wight Squash Master Wrestling in The Blood Age is just a Number Easily Marketable Randy Savage Wrestling in The Blood Age is just a Number Ahead of their Time Hulk Hogan Wrestling in The Blood Age is just a Number Ahead of their Time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GooverDan Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 Kurt Angle Giving Performer Glenn Jacobs Tag Specialist Squash Master Age is Just a Number Booker T Future Colour Tag Specialist Bret Hart Tag Specialist Ric Flair Giving Performer Bill Goldberg A Marketing Dream Squash Master Curt Hennig Manager Colour Diamond Dallas Page Fitness Fanatic Sid Vicious Squash Master Vader Squash Master Bam Bam Bigelow Squash Master Paul Wight Squash Master Wrestling in The Blood Age is just a Number Easily Marketable Randy Savage Wrestling in The Blood Age is just a Number Hulk Hogan Wrestling in The Blood Age is just a Number Please, keep doing these, is kind of fun adding attributes to the wrestlers, you feel you're giving them more personality as more attributes you put them. Also, Hulk Hogan should have the Egomaniac attribute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleisch Posted October 10, 2021 Author Share Posted October 10, 2021 I've got about 130 workers left to edit that I've found things wrong with. I will then go through the thread again and pick up anything I missed. It might not be out on 16th but will be that weekend. There was a lot more wrong than anticipated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomSellecksMustache Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 Does anyone have a blank picture template they would be willing to share for making pictures? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 Not sure if it's by design, but WCW as a medium size promotion in 1998 seems awfully small? Also, I don't think Turner should be used at all. Eric Bischoff should be owner(CEO) with Kevin Sullivan as booker. The CEO designation was put in the game to reflect WCW in particular Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleisch Posted October 10, 2021 Author Share Posted October 10, 2021 Not sure if it's by design, but WCW as a medium size promotion in 1998 seems awfully small? Also, I don't think Turner should be used at all. Eric Bischoff should be owner(CEO) with Kevin Sullivan as booker. The CEO designation was put in the game to reflect WCW in particular With popularity, what would you suggest I give them in each country/continent? I thought I'd given them pretty good popularity but willing to listen to any suggested changes. Same if anyone thinks any of the companies need boosting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Fenoli Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 With popularity, what would you suggest I give them in each country/continent? I thought I'd given them pretty good popularity but willing to listen to any suggested changes. Same if anyone thinks any of the companies need boosting. At what point would you say wrestling was at it's most popular? To me, if this is the time period when it was at it's most popular (98-99), and WCW is on top, then WCW should be in the high 80's or low 90's for popularity in the US. Then in a year or so, WWF would be in the mid to high 90's. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I always view it on a scale of 100 is perfection. If you argue there's no better technical wrestler of all time than say Bret Hart, then at his peak in a date he should be in the high 90's. No better guy on the microphone than a Paul Heyman, high 90's for microphone. In this case, one of the most popular wrestling promotions of all time, in a time when wrestling is at it's most popular... WCW should be around 88ish in popularity in the US. Just my take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 With popularity, what would you suggest I give them in each country/continent? I thought I'd given them pretty good popularity but willing to listen to any suggested changes. Same if anyone thinks any of the companies need boosting. I'd say mid to high 80s personally in the US. This was in the midst of WCW at the top of the industry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nickman Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 Hi Fleisch, keep up the great work, I’m really looking forward to playing this mod as it’ll be the closest one to the time period I most associate with (mid to late 98 to 2001). For the popularity size thing, I’d be a bit cautious about pumping up the WWF and WCW unnecessarily. IMO they both should be about Large at this point in time, neither truly gets to Titanic during this period, and the WWE probably doesn’t hit that point until mid to late 2000s when they have three brands, the WWE Network and then eventually their own child company with its own show (NXT). I get what people are saying here about high 80s and low 90s, but to me that’s too high. Some of the most over workers (your Hogans and Austins) should be up around that level, but not the companies themselves. Otherwise you’ll end up with a company way too popular in comparison to its workers, and that just shouldn’t be a thing. Just my take on it after playing this game for more than a decade, I’m sure others will disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wuotan Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 Annual Awards from 1992 - 1997 are missing Hall of Fame for the bigger companys would be nice. WCW: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WCW_Hall_of_Fame WWF: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWE_Hall_of_Fame List of professional wrestling halls of fame: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_professional_wrestling_halls_of_fame Steven Regal Future Colour Sting Age is Just A Number Ahead of their Time Robert Gibson Tag Spec Ricky Morton Tag Spec Ron & Don Harris Tag Spec Chaz Warrington Tag Spec Glen Ruth Tag Spec Rick & Scott Steiner Tag Spec Brother D-Von Tag Spec Brother Ray Tag Spec Raven Plays Mysterious well Needs higher experience Needs higher respect Pat Patterson Agent of Rumbles Jeff Hardy Tag Spec Matt Hardy Tag Spec Steve Williams Tag Spec Terry Gordy Tag Spec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleisch Posted October 11, 2021 Author Share Posted October 11, 2021 Question What User Characters would people like in the game? I've added Tyson as a user character but beyond that, I've no idea who to add really. I was going to use a similar style that the C-Verse has with "Avatars" I created in DAZ3d but really unsure. Does anyone have a blank picture template they would be willing to share for making pictures? I just use this: (the white square inside the border is 142x142) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Fenoli Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 I got a list of some people that I feel like would be good user characters. Here's a list of people who were celebrities in this time period, that were known fans or involved in way. Michael Clarke Duncan David Arquette Ben Stiller Mr. T Shaquille O'Neal Master P James Brown Jay Leno Dennis Rodman Adam Sandler Arnold Schwarzenegger William Shatner Donald Trump Macaulay Culkin Melissa Joan Hart Jon Stewart Matthew McConaughey Macaulay Culkin Billy Corgan Jay Mohr Andy Richter Method Man Corey Taylor Snoop Dogg Seth Green Here's a list of fans, who are now somewhat celebrities for being fans. Straw Hat Guy - John Bailey Faith No More Guy - Lenny Bonfiglio Vladimir Tye Dye Guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 I mean I love Corey Taylor, but he was nowhere near a celebrity in 1998. The self titled Slipknot album didn't come out for another year and a half and Iowa was when they became huge. Slipknot wasn't even signed when the mod starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Fenoli Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 I mean I love Corey Taylor, but he was nowhere near a celebrity in 1998. The self titled Slipknot album didn't come out for another year and a half and Iowa was when they became huge. Slipknot wasn't even signed when the mod starts. You're right, I have my years off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinqconnor Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 I saw everyone giving attributes for wrestlers and I think they're really fun and decided I would add my thoughts. Shane Douglas Amazing Heel (I know he has been a babyface but is really an all out heel so maybe 100%?) Shoots From The Lip (I mean, it's basically his gimmick.) Then add the negative relationships with The Kliq and Ric Flair which are well documented. James Maritato Giving Performer Life Long Underdog John Kronus Tag Team Specialist Lance Storm Dyanmo Tag Team Specialist? Future Road Agent Natural Trainer Matt Hyson Life Long Underdog Daredevil Mikey Whipwreck Daredevil Taz Squash Master Canny Operator Selfish Performer Troublesome Neck Future Colour Commenator Future Manager New Jack Tag Team Specialist Daredevil Deathmatch Wrestler Can't Stay Away Al Snow Natural Trainer Fitness Fanatic Tommy Dreamer Amazing Babyface Loyal Risk Taker High Pain Threshold Giving Performer Can't Stay Away I also noticed Stevie Richards has 0 pop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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