Real World Vrs Cornellverse?

[Jonfun]

So looking to start a new save now.

 

I normally play CV, but might give RW a chance....

 

What are your views on which way is better to play?

[Gorilla Monsoon]

My thoughts is it depends on personal preference.

 

If you're doing a Cornellverse game you're doing so to see a relatively unknown landscape come to life. Building this world without the shackles of having history come into play, and built in bias (i.e. "I hated the One Man Gang when I was a kid, I'm not hiring him now") in play.

 

A real life game is for folks who watch RAW, SmackDown, Dynamite and them and go "Y'know I love these wrestlers but I reckon I could book them better." The thrill comes from actually doing it, and having it work out in 'the numbers game'. You can use past history as a plot device to develop a feud, or to explain a new team forming based on respect for prior history. To counter the bias situation for CV, you have the "WWE buried Zack Ryder when he should have been a star. If they're not gonna do it I will" factor where there's people you like that never got a shot and now you have the ability to give them that shot at your fingertips.

 

Both playing styles are valid. It's just a matter of what you're looking to do, and what you prefer.

[DirigoJoe]

I really only like playing C-verse.

 

Booking a real life promotion based on someone else's unofficial ratings just isn't fun for me. Every time I look at a database I find their ratings so unrealistic and subjective.

 

With the C-verse at least Adam put in thought about how big stars are, how they work in the game world... it's gamified and seems much more authentic.

 

Nothing against people who play RW or run RW dynasties but I just don't enjoy those at all. I find it... hokey.

[Gorilla Monsoon]

Booking a real life promotion based on someone else's unofficial ratings just isn't fun for me. Every time I look at a database I find their ratings so unrealistic and subjective.

 

This can also be a big factor.

 

I use one database now where honestly, while overall the job done was good everybody seems exceptionally low. Like I understand wrestling is in a bit of a slump right now, but it seems weird that the WWE of all places is pulling like indy numbers considering they're still a massively televised product. It can make it difficult to book because the crowd considers the majority of your roster jobbers and unless you're always booking them against huge stars it'll actively bury your show to use them.

 

And yes, one could argue right now nobody in WWE is truly a house hold name ...but I mean I barely even watch anymore and I know who the people on 205 Live are. So I feel like sometimes people get majorly undercutted.

 

I remember a few years ago I was looking at one mod when Tyler Breeze was one of the main stays on NXT and his stats were absolute garbage. Meanwhile I'm watching him every week and feeling like I'm watching a completely different person.

 

But again - it's personal preference, even when it comes down to stats and all.

[DirigoJoe]

This can also be a big factor.

 

I use one database now where honestly, while overall the job done was good everybody seems exceptionally low. Like I understand wrestling is in a bit of a slump right now, but it seems weird that the WWE of all places is pulling like indy numbers considering they're still a massively televised product. It can make it difficult to book because the crowd considers the majority of your roster jobbers and unless you're always booking them against huge stars it'll actively bury your show to use them.

 

I think of overness in the game as being "among wrestling fans" but maybe a 100 means like, The Rock.

 

But the thing that gets me, is when there's a database where WWE guys are rated decently... and then the editor makes their favorite indy wrestler a 100 psychology, 100 basics, 100 consistency etc. etc. Even some of the historical ones have like a 18 year old AJ Styles as a hugely talented superstar. He should be way low and work his way up. Etc.

[Gorilla Monsoon]

Yeah, you'll see that. Everybody has a bias.

 

Like one of my favorites are Hirooki Goto in NJPW. But I'm not gonna give the guy 100 in any stat.

 

It's why I feel a committee kinda mod works better for real life, because if you've got ten people developing it at least half of them are going to go "Uh, excuse me why does Sin Cara have 100 microphone?"

[MikeSc]

<p>I go more for C-Verse, as much for the issue of real-life backstage personalities and drug problems being way, way WAY more difficult to deal with.</p><p> </p><p>

Also, you do develop biases within the C-Verse. There are workers I will avoid like the plague after having them on the roster.</p>

[DirigoJoe]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Gorilla Monsoon" data-cite="Gorilla Monsoon" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="51787" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yeah, you'll see that. Everybody has a bias.<p> </p><p> Like one of my favorites are Hirooki Goto in NJPW. But I'm not gonna give the guy 100 in any stat.</p><p> </p><p> It's why I feel a committee kinda mod works better for real life, because if you've got ten people developing it at least half of them are going to go "Uh, excuse me why does Sin Cara have 100 microphone?"</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> For sure. I'd probably give Roman Reigns 60's in Microphone, Acting, and Charisma (maybe Charisma is higher because he can do the crowd engagement stuff well) and then 60's-70's in basics, psychology, selling and 80-90 in consistency... and 90-100 in star quality and sex appear. He'd also have different skills (which are an amazing addition btw) where he's marketable, has a new catch phrase, whatever...</p><p> </p><p> But someone else might see that and think it was totally off the wall. </p><p> </p><p> I prefer cverse where it just is what it is and the ratings don't seem to be based as much on feeling, they seem to be made to balance the game world and create a good gameplay experience.</p>

[Donners]

I prefer CVerse for a proper save. There are few RW mods which I find to be well balanced.

[BurningLariat]

I prefer the CVerse as I don't have any real life biases. Also, not a knock against any of the wonderful mod makers here, it's also the most balanced and optimised data set to play with.

[Turkeyninja]

<p>It depends on what I'm doing, I find myself to be more creative while playing the C-Verse because other then what information is given about a worker in their bio, it's up to you to determine their moveset and how they present themselves as a wrestler, for example I like to think that The Silencer wrestles alot like Kane with the same mannerisms, but someone else might prefer to think that The Silencer wrestles more like Brock Lesnar with the mannerisms of Cactus Jack.</p><p> </p><p>

With real life mods, I discovered TEW late, 2013 was my first version, and I was already 28 at that time so I've been thinking about all these dream matches and who would go in what stables etc for a really long time. It's less creative for me personally because when I book matches and angles it just seems automatic, I'm not really putting any thought and therefore no creativity in my real life games. I don't book wrestlers the same they are in real life, but I don't do off the wall things such as giving Kevin Nash the Kane gimmick.</p>

[DirigoJoe]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BurningLariat" data-cite="BurningLariat" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="51787" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I prefer the CVerse as I don't have any real life biases. Also, not a knock against any of the wonderful mod makers here, it's also the most balanced and optimised data set to play with.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Couldn't agree more. In just about every mod the first few weeks are taken up with tons of hirings and firings and whatnot. They're never designed to work with the game.</p>

[Gorilla Monsoon]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Turkeyninja" data-cite="Turkeyninja" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="51787" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I don't book wrestlers the same they are in real life, but I don't do off the wall things such as giving Kevin Nash the Kane gimmick.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> What about giving Kane the Diesel gimmick? That'd be crazy huh? Could you imagine some company actually doing that?</p>

[DirigoJoe]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Gorilla Monsoon" data-cite="Gorilla Monsoon" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="51787" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>What about giving Kane the Diesel gimmick? That'd be crazy huh? Could you imagine some company actually doing that?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> <img alt=":cool:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[khriztian]

I prefer RW mods, I like to put myself in what if scenarios, take control of things and see where it goes. I'm having lots of fun booking AEW on the RWC mod. Back in TEW 2016 I had a blast booking in the Attitude Era.

[RocheBag]

When I first got into this series I only played RW mods and I had trouble sticking with a save long term. I then started playing C-Verse and haven't looked back. So much more freedom, no biases to contend with or "this would never happen in real life" type thoughts entering my head. The characters are fantastic, more big companies to compete with. I just love it.

 

I can never touch a real world mod again.

[TheChef]

I first started playing this game in 2014 because I was so disillusioned with WWE's booking. At the time, there was no AEW, NWA or MLW, TNA/Impact was awful and I'm personally not a big fan of Japanese wrestling, so I don't watch NJPW, only ROH was really worth watching (imo). I've loved wrestling all my life but I couldn't really stand to watch it anymore. Then I discovered this game. I immediately thought to book as WWE, the way I thought it should be done, but I got into the CornellVerse while running a trial game and I've never actually played a RW mod. I just loved the CVerse from day one and in some ways, it feels real to me as a wrestling world.

 

So, CornellVerse, 100%

[Irish Wolf]

C-Verse all day every day. C-Verse is the only database that is perfectly balanced for the game. Any outside databases, including ones I actually do like, like Thunderverse and C-Verse 97 -don't always balance to the game. Real world databases are especially bad as some don't understand the mechanics at all, and others are made with the implicit bias of the creator. You may thing Daniel Bryan has a technical of 98 while the creator puts him at an 86. And the numbers tend to be bloated and makes the game often way to easy. Guys on the indy scene - some of whom I really know and are great - should not be pulling 90+ rated matches, from the get go.

 

Now real world mods can be fun if you really just want to fantasy book and don't care about numbers. But for me even beyond the numbers I find real world mods creatively stagnating. I don't read any real world dynasties because most of them can't get past the characters as they exist. Taker will always be Taker, Byran will always be Bryan, Punk will always be Punk. And there is zero change to character except, let me just push this guy I think WWE dropped the ball on.

 

With a fantasy mod especially c-verse every persons take is gonna be different. How you run Sycthe as a character will be different than how I do, and how a third guy does. He'll how I run Sythe in one save my be different than how I run him in another. And most people just can't do that in real world mods.

[WCGreyghost]

 

What are your views on which way is better to play?

 

Whatever way you enjoy more is "better" for you. The beauty of this game is there is no "right way" to play. Do what makes you happy. In previous editions of this game, I've probably been about 60-40 Real World/Cverse, using territory era mods. In this edition, I've started a couple of 80s saves, but I'm mostly playing my TCW save in the Cverse.

[Zero]

Good topic. I will admit I have never ONCE played in the default universe since TEW first came out. I've attempted several times but I give up.

 

However,

 

I love all of it. I love reading the biographies and often import Cornellverse talent into my game. I do this by their biography or just their name alone and I will edit their stats if need be.

 

I usually play historic mods so it is fun watching guys from the Cornellverse debut and work in my game world.

[Titus_Sinclair1878]

I would always try to make tweaks to the default database & make a go of it.

 

For example, TCW in this database gets taken over by a billionaire's son & his wrestler buddies (Kind of like AEW). They sign free agent Jack Bruce who becomes a heel, acts like a rockstar & wears a scarf. USPW has a WCW-like decline with an apathetic roster & Allen Packer wants out. Victoria Stone has a falling out with CWA & becomes the new COO of SWF.

 

C-verse can be fun, it's what you make of it. I only use the real world mods to simulate what may happen in the future just for fun.

[Chikbot]

In 16, I would of absolutely said RW mods are better but with 20, I prefer C-Verse and other fantasy mods as a whole (Thunderverse, Londonverse when that comes etc)

[Gouge]

C-Verse for serious saves, real world for dynasties.