Too Sweet Spartan

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="FellaLibby" data-cite="FellaLibby" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I understand, but believe me. There are those who just will not be convinced of me no matter what I say. I don't want to die, I want to win. I want the town to win. And thus is my only way.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I understand where you're coming from but mafia is all about momentum and determination. Look at this game, I would've bet a million bucks Destiny was scum like 2 day phases ago. Now he's one of the few people I fully trust. Reads sometimes change crazy fast, look at how flip flopped everything got after Mich suddenly shows up with his ability.</p><p> </p><p> Sometimes you just got stick it out, keep fighting the good fight and eventually your actions will vindicate you. Or even if they don't, you get to complain about it in the graveyard and post game when hindsight makes everything obvious. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I believe Lukess is Vainglory aligned. Personally, I feel there was only two of Scarpa. Though I could be wrong. The only other person I don't trust is Leion.<p> </p><p> And yes, and I will be there for the whole phase. If I make it through the night. Otherwise, yes.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Alright, cool. We only need a few people to actually get the lynch through but we all got to be ready. I'm super paranoid about the scum rush and this feels like our last chance at actually beating both mafia teams.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Memory of Talon" data-cite="Memory of Talon" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It's not fair to say I've given up. I posted during the day phase and I said I was going to the doctors. I've not been well and yet I've put in a lot of effort this game to make reads, clear people, and almost pushed a rabbit man lynch on a day where it was just me, lukess and crychon doing the voting. That was very stressful when I just want to relax.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Wanted to respond to this separately since it is out of game stuff.</p><p> </p><p> Hope all is well and I'm sorry to hear you haven't been feeling your best. Mafia is definitely stressful but hopefully you're still having fun. Because it is only meant to be a game, and a fun distraction from all the other things going on in our lives. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="FellaLibby" data-cite="FellaLibby" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I've never lied here. Incompetent? Sure. I'm inexperienced. I can't tell whats what in this type of game to be given a role. The reason my role in the previous game was okay because I had a filter in Zergon and he helped me know what I was doing. Here? I have no one but me. Because I'm a town. And the way my ability was sent to me, made me misinterpret what I was given. For that, I apologize.<p> </p><p> But as I said before, I do not hold regrets for my actions for my mistake. I'm not egotistical, waving my ability around. I've never lied to anybody here. And if you believe I've lied and think I'm going to be the end of the game if you don't vote for me? Then go ahead vote me. You won't be convinced from me because you are just deadset for the town to lose.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> If you're town, we really can't afford a self sacrifice/martyr.</p><p> </p><p> What are your thoughts on scum teams? Who left is Scarpa aligned? Who is Vainglory aligned?</p><p> </p><p> And will you be available to vote at start of day phase?</p>

<p>Alright, if DJ, Destiny and Derek B are all comfortable with Lukess, then I am too.</p><p> </p><p> When day phase starts we need to vote Lukess before a scum rush.</p><p> </p><p> Using what I wrote before, let's come up with alternatives so we don't have to talk about it and give either scum team more time to get on. We need to be just as ready as they are.</p><p> </p><p> 1st plan: We vote Lukess.</p><p> </p><p> Alternatives:</p><p> 2. If Lukess is dead after night phase and flips town, we vote ?.</p><p> 3. If Lukess is dead after night phase and flips Scarpa scum, we vote ?.</p><p> 4. If Lukess is dead after night phase and flips Vainglory scum, we vote ?.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> I feel like it should be:</p><p> 2. Lukess = Town, we vote Fella Libby.</p><p> 3. Lukess = Scarpa, we vote Fella Libby.</p><p> 4. Lukess = Vainglory, we vote MoT.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="djthefunkchris" data-cite="djthefunkchris" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I go to work soon, and just wanted to let everyone know I won't be around for the beginning of day phase.<p> </p><p> Nothing against Derek's plan, but I like the original (this one) better. Giving the day phase 12 hours to discuss stuff gives the scum a chance... if we are even remotely correct in numbers left, that gives to much room for scum to actually vote a mis lynch. I think this plan is solid, perhaps the only choice.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Do you agree with Lukess being the top choice too?</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lukess11" data-cite="lukess11" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Lynching me loses the game. Keep that in mind.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I feel like you got to give us more to work with than that. Especially given the importance of this lynch.</p><p> </p><p> Because if you're lying, not lynching you probably loses us the game too.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Adam Ryland" data-cite="Adam Ryland" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46105" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yes.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That's cool to hear! Always would be annoying to take losses in a ton of US regional battles due to broadcasting when the main point/emphasis of my shows was only on one region that month (and I filmed all my shows there).</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Destiny" data-cite="Destiny" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Everyone else has disappeared. We're at a stage in the game where the town's tactics are out in the open and the scum aren't even bothering to try and blend in. In a normal situation we'd be demanding full role claims but the scum know that there are too many of them to worry too much.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You're not wrong. This game feels bizarre. I feel like everything will be a lot more obvious when I can read both the scum groups and Derek/DJ chats post-game but from my perspective this game has been surreal. The multi-scum team stuff has thrown me off a ton.</p><p> </p><p> But Lukess is probably the right path unless anyone has a solid argument why it isn't.</p>

<p>Maybe I'm just overthinking it.</p><p> </p><p> But I feel like I'd definitely like to hear more from both Lukess and Fella Libby and their reads/thoughts.</p>

<p>I'm struggling between Lukess and Fella Libby truthfully. I feel like Fella Libby comes off more townish of the two in interactions. But I feel like the evidence we have is more damning of him.</p><p> </p><p> As a reminder:</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Too Sweet Spartan" data-cite="Too Sweet Spartan" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Updated again. These are important notes so I don't mind having posted them several times now to make sure they are accurate.<p> </p><p> At least 2, possibly all 4 of this group are scum: </p><p> *TBP, MoT, FellaLibby, djthefunkchris </p><p> </p><p> *FellaLibby OR lukess11 are the Realty Aligned Killer</p><p> </p><p> *Either Leion, MoT, TBP, Eliphas/Mich, or TSS are the Scarpa family killer.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Now here's an updated version.</p><p> </p><p> At least 1, possibly all 3 of this group are scum: </p><p> *MoT, FellaLibby, djthefunkchris </p><p> *FellaLibby OR lukess11 are the Realty Aligned Killer</p><p> *Either Leion, MoT, Eliphas/Mich, or TSS are the Scarpa family killer.</p><p> </p><p> For bullet point one:</p><p> My feelings are that it is Fella Libby. But if not him, MoT. And if not him, DJ.</p><p> </p><p> For bullet point two:</p><p> This is the big struggle for me, I really feel like either Lukess or Libby are doing the killing. My head says Fella Libby. My heart says Lukess. And both sides have compelling arguments.</p><p> </p><p> For bullet point three:</p><p> This is probably Leion. But I could also see it being MoT. </p><p> </p><p> I feel like we need to go either Lukess or Fella Libby, that's our safest bet. It feels like you and Derek B are more confident on Lukess so that is probably the right decision but I'd be lying if I said I'm 100% confident in it at this second.</p>

I think this makes these people mostly make sense... lol. Let me try again. I think this these people mostly make sense but we need to revise actual alignment. Because I don't think Lukess and Fella Libby are aligned, atm. Does: Scarpa: Fella Libby, TBP, +1 Realty: Lukess, MoT, +1 make sense for the teams? Anyone can answer but that's mostly a question for Derek because I feel like he has a better handle on actual alignment rather than just scum/town. Because like I said, I think we have to aim for Realty this day phase, not just any scum.

Good. Glad we're on the same page. Then let's get started on it. I think this makes these people mostly make sense but we need to revise it. Because I don't think Lukess and Fella Libby are aligned, atm. Does: Scarpa: Fella Libby, TBP, +1 Realty: Lukess, MoT, +1 make sense for the teams? Anyone can answer but that's mostly a question for Derek because I feel like he has a better handle on actual alignment rather than just scum/town.

Can confirm, these are our choices. Can also confirm. Neither are good options but no way I'm voting for a day skip at this point of the game. It feels like a choice of "would you rather be punched in the gut or kicked in the crotch"? Yes. The only way we can win is if we dwindle down both sides, we can't overextend on Scarpa scum and give the win to Vainglory scum. Disagreed. I don't think that is the right call. Here's my logic: -There's currently 11 of us. Probably 4-5 scum left. -Let's say we get super lucky and there's only 1 night kill and it's on a different scum person (both of which I think are unlikely, truthfully): That's 10 people, 3-4 scum left. 25% of 10 is 2.5, so 3 voters for a lynch. If we're right about the scum teams, they can work together and get rid of an easy townie and pretty much destroy our last chance of winning. I think we have to do the opposite. We need to debate this night phase and come up with a series of agreed upon actions. Example: 1. We vote Lukess. 2. If Lukess is dead after night phase and flips town, we vote ?. 3. If Lukess is dead after night phase and flips Scarpa scum, we vote ?. 4. If Lukess is dead after night phase and flips Vainglory scum, we vote ?. We need to know what we're going to do and town rush in the start of the phase to ensure we don't get screwed here. Because the scum rush will probably be obvious but it'll be too late to do anything by then. What are other people's thoughts? Am I making sense or off base here? And if I'm making sense, what should our voting direction be to ensure Vainglory dies in day phase (assuming none die tonight)?

<p>EBWOP:</p><p> </p><p> @Rabbitman: I'm living in North Carolina, so Eastern US time zone.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Destiny" data-cite="Destiny" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'm of the same opinion as you. I would rather TSS because he seems to be around more and there's a risk Rabbitman wouldn't be around for the night phase to vote. </div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Derek B" data-cite="Derek B" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>More or less. I think TSS is the best call in general but all of the list is helpful. I'm around for now and haven't cast my nomination yet, so hopefully we'll get more feedback about it before decisions are made. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rabbitman" data-cite="Rabbitman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>With more posts and generally better play, I'd say Spartan has earned the seat more than I have. Plus I'm not sure where Spartan lives but I'll wager they're more in synch with the general time zone of this game and be able to help us even more than I could.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="djthefunkchris" data-cite="djthefunkchris" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div> I'm good with TSS, but I already supported the D-Man this time around.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'd be comfortable accepting it, I expect to be available tomorrow. So I should be able to communicate the council options and be able to listen to feedback if there's any real debate over which choice should be made.</p>

<p>Just as a clarification: would you only be in a battle if you held a show in a region? And not be in a battle if it is simply seen in a region through a broadcasting contract?</p><p> </p><p> Or are you in a regional battle in every region where your company is seen? And just not ones where you have no broadcasting.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Destiny" data-cite="Destiny" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Did Leion ever show up and answer the questions asked of him? It's been very quiet in here today.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Leion" data-cite="Leion" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>A lot has happened it seems. At least we have at least two confirmed townies judging by rabbitman's action. <p> Unfortunately, my internet provider's servers are down and I don't have access when I am home. The only reason I am online now is because I went out. I will try to catch up more later on in the phase when I have a much more stable internet connection.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I think this is still what's happening. Feel for him dealing with the real life stuff but it is frustrating to not be able to get any answers from Leion.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Derek B" data-cite="Derek B" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>For the record TBP.... I' not buying what you're selling, nor am I selling to anyone who is trying to buy. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Destiny" data-cite="Destiny" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Here's the thing. I don't really believe you're a survivor. I feel you claimed that because if I asked you if you were Effingham Heights aligned and I decided to check you out and find out you lied then you would be lynched for sure tomorrow.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> This is essentially where I'm at. I feel like we found mafia scum and the 3rd party claim is the same trick Eayragt tried earlier.</p><p> </p><p> Besides that:</p><p> </p><p> Destiny is on the council, Derek B has a nomination. If that is accurate:</p><p> </p><p> <span style="color:#008000;"><strong>Second: Derek B</strong></span></p>

I'm taking off for a bit now but I'll be back tonight to read up on what I missed.

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Derek B" data-cite="Derek B" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>This is the way I want to go, but I understand that other players may want to go other routes.<p> </p><p> <strong><span style="color:#FF0000;">VOTE: Memory Of Talon</span></strong></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'm willing to go towards MoT. Either them or TBP make sense to me for this day phase, they're the most suspicious of the 4 that may all actually be scum. </p><p> We know at least 2 of them are. And at this point, I'm comfortable trusting Derek's feelings/thoughts.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> ...Was about to post this and just saw Destiny's post and erased my vote change. Yeah, MoT, DJ, and I are off limits for lynch this day phase.</p>

<p>Updated again. These are important notes so I don't mind having posted them several times now to make sure they are accurate.</p><p> </p><p> At least 2, possibly all 4 of this group are scum: </p><p> *TBP, MoT, FellaLibby, djthefunkchris </p><p> </p><p> *FellaLibby OR lukess11 are the Realty Aligned Killer</p><p> </p><p> *Either Leion, MoT, TBP, Eliphas/Mich, or TSS are the Scarpa family killer.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Memory of Talon" data-cite="Memory of Talon" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>That wasn't me that was outraged, that was TSS and I'm not aligned with any bus drivers. I'm at work right now but can come on after.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Oh. I assumed from Derek's quote that we both were. But if you weren't, yeah, that was me that was cranky about that. </p><p> </p><p> Truthfully, I was just having a cranky couple of days all around unrelated to game stuff and I feel it wasn't my greatest moment. I think if I was more level-headed at the time I would've thought about potential reasons why our protection roles might not have been there.</p><p> </p><p> So I will give MoT that.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="michgcs" data-cite="michgcs" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Not Eliphas, though, ‘cause that’s me. </div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Well... it'd be a bold play, I'll give you that. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> Fixed:</p><p> </p><p> At least 2, possibly all 4 of this group are scum: </p><p> *TBP, MoT, FellaLibby, djthefunkchris </p><p> </p><p> *FellaLibby OR lukess11 are the Realty Aligned Killer</p><p> </p><p> *Either Leion, MoT or TBP are also the Scarpa family killer too. (REMOVED ELIPHAS/MICH FROM HERE TOO, NOT SURE IF THAT IS CONFIRMED. DEREK B WILL HAVE TO CLARIFY.)</p>

<p>Okay, wow.</p><p> </p><p> So to keep all this straight:</p><p> </p><p> 3 (+/- 1) of this group are scum: </p><p> *TBP, MoT, Eliphas, FellaLibby, djthefunkchris </p><p> </p><p> *FellaLibby OR lukess11 are the Realty Aligned Killer</p><p> </p><p> *Either Eliphas/michgcs, Leion, MoT or TBP are also the Scarpa family killer too. </p><p> </p><p> Well in that case, I like my vote on TBP. Already 40-80% chance of being scum and may even be the killer. If not him, MoT for the same reasons but MoT has looked a little more townie through council stuff.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Derek B" data-cite="Derek B" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>TSS, I've got a whole mess of notes written down now and if I psoted them I think people would cry about how long they are. There's some good info in there though. We really should be paying more attention to these night write ups. Can't believe I almost let a bus driver slip past.... was DJ who brought that up before I went to go read. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Think about posting them post-game! </p><p> </p><p> I'd love to see all the calculations, thoughts, and notes if you're willing/comfortable sharing your thought process. I feel like it'd be a cool read.</p>

I'll requote my vote since there are a mess of colors in my posts. And Derek B, doing some major work. I know we want to collaboratively determine council prior to actually nominating. I'm willing to give a spot to Derek B again and/or Mich.