Too Sweet Spartan

What do you mean by +/- 1? It could be as little as 1 more scum or as high as 3 more? If so: D1 EddieFNG EddieFnG: 4 (Derek B, Rayelek, Destiny, eayragt) D2 eayragt eayragt: 10 (DeadCeleb, Emark, Tha Black Phenom, Destiny, Teh_Showtime, Memory of Talon, cappyboy, Eliphas, FellaLibby, djthefunkchris) Red=Scum Blue=Town Green=People on both votes, so not affecting numbers. Destiny is only one on both votes, so his town/scum alignment does not affect numbers. I'm removing him from the calculations for those reasons. If eayragt was the only scum on the first vote, it means 2 of this group at the very least (but possibly 3 or even 4 depending on the +/- 1): Tha Black Phenom, Memory of Talon, Eliphas, FellaLibby, djthefunkchris have to be scum. I'll place a pressure vote on Vote: Tha Black Phenom. Time to start talking.

Whoa, yeah, this is a huge breakthrough. I agree with your analysis of the 4, especially since I'm trying to give Destiny more of the benefit of the doubt here for the moment.

Well in that case, no reason for the thread to stagnate while we wait. Coming into the game now: What's your perspective? Anyone standing out to you as particularly scummy?

Alright, thanks. I think the right call for the moment then would be waiting on Leion to respond to the votes/reads against him.

I'll add that the only people I truly trust at the moment are: DJ, Derek B, Rabbitman, Fella Libby. There are others I have leans on, but these are the four I feel safe putting my faith in.

Alright, if the people I'm trusting are trusting Destiny... then maybe my read is wrong and I'm tunneling too hard. Because I've felt he is scum for a while. Before you go, just to confirm: are you and Derek are neighbor'ed together?

Where's this coming from? You believe the claim? Because I feel like you and MoT were the ones emphasizing how scummy Destiny had been prior to this day phase?

First off: Updated Noms and Votes: Phase One: Nominations Destiny: 3 (eayragt, Destiny, Memory of Talon) Derek B: 3 (Derek B, djthefunkchris, Emark) Rayalek: 1 (Rayelek) lukess11: 2 (lukess11, Too Sweet Spartan) Bluestar: 1 (Eternal Phoenix) Rabbitman: 1 (Tha Black Phenom) Memory of Talon: 3 (Leion, Eliphas, FellaLibby) Lynch Bluestar: 2 (Memory of Talon, DeadCeleb) Memory of Talon: 2 (Leion, Eternal Phoenix) EddieFnG: 4 (Derek B, Rayelek, Destiny, eayragt) cappyboy: 1 (Eliphas) Phase Two: Nominations lukess11: 3 (lukess11, Tha Black Phenom, FellaLibby) Destiny: 1 (Destiny) Memory of Talon: 3 (Crychon, Leion, Zergon) Crychon: 3 (Memory of Talon, DeadCeleb, Eliphas) Derek B: 1 (Too Sweet Spartan) DeadCeleb: 2 (Emark, cappyboy) Lynch eayragt: 10 (DeadCeleb, Emark, Tha Black Phenom, Destiny, Teh_Showtime, Memory of Talon, cappyboy, Eliphas, FellaLibby, djthefunkchris) FellaLibby: 1 (lukess11) Phase Three: Nominations djthefunkchris: 3 (Emark, Memory of Talon, Destiny) Emark: 2 (Tha Black Phenom, Teh_Showtime) Too Sweet Spartan: 3 (Zergon, Derek B, FellaLibby) Memory of Talon: 3 (lukess11, Crychon, Too Sweet Spartan) Lynch Zergon: 3 (lukess11, Memory of Talon, Crychon) Second off: Write Up analysis - This makes me feel better about Rabbitman. He said he targeted Fella Libby and by the way he described it, it shouldn't have worked if FL was scum, right? So I feel better about FL too. This reads to me like Showtime killed Emark and then scum killed Showtime. Am I interpreting this wrong? Or was Emark a vig kill? It feels weird to me for a "student intern" to be a vig. Now, with all of that out of the way: A very quick vote for Eliphas to start the phase. Justified as: When there was only 6 mins at that point between DJ's question and the vote. Things feel weird here. Sad to see Eliphas go, always enjoy playing with him. In regards to me: We revealed the council votes and MoT, DJ, and I are lynchproof this day phase. So regardless of your thoughts, it wouldn't make sense as a direction this day phase. In regards to Destiny: ...Hmm. I'll be paying attention to votes today and where yours ends up. We'll see how truthful this is. Lukess' opinions are changing very rapidly this entire game. This particular reason is because he got the point but... he's been very inconsistent with who he thinks is scum, who he proclaims he will vote for, and where his vote actually ends up. I'd been curious about what happened there but figured being quiet was the right call. Glad to finally have an answer, even if it means DJ is apparently going to mason with everyone. I thought what we had was special. ...I feel like you're 95% right and 5% wrong and Leion is the stickler for me. I don't really get much of a scum vibe from him. But I mostly like your pairings, with the exception that I think MoT is aligned with Destiny and I'm not sure if Lukess is on their team or the opposite. I'll be real, I think Lukess is the play today. He's raised a lot of red flags: inconsistent with reads, quick to back off when pushed back at, not following the thread (didn't realize council was safe from votes), self-nominating for council, and other questionable decisions. If not Lukess, Destiny. But this phase feels like a crucial one and I think its time we address the scummy elephants in the room in those two. That being said, pressure on Leion is still good. There's still a lot of unanswered stuff regarding him and I think more insight would be helpful.

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="djthefunkchris" data-cite="djthefunkchris" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>1. 25% to lynch next phase, <p> </p><p> 2. Or HOA is immune to votes.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Can confirm these are the options. And yeah, I'm under the assumption we're all in agreement to go with option 2.</p>

<p>Good news, bad news:</p><p> </p><p> Good news- have a final round job interview tomorrow.</p><p> </p><p> Bad news- It will take up most of my day. So I won't be able to contribute before end of day phase. Best of luck, council, this obviously isn't an easy vote.</p>

<p>Alright, well let's get a second member in the council while we're trying to figure out voting stuff.</p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="color:#008000;">Third: Memory of Talon</span></strong></p>

Heading out, will read up when I am back.

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Memory of Talon" data-cite="Memory of Talon" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>First I'd like to say that this turns out to be one of the more stressful mafia situations I've been in lmao.<p> </p><p> I can't get a good read on rabbitman even after his posts this phase. I'm not really satisfied with what he's posted so far but I can gleem some small things from it. He seems to be making a subtle push on Emark, but the problem with me for that is that I think I know what emark is and therefor think he's town. </p><p> </p><p> In regards to othe scum, my entire POE has to change with the revelations that my previous top 3 scum reads are flipped. </p><p> </p><p> I now somewhat pair Eliphas together with Rabbitman for scum team 1. </p><p> </p><p> I also am a bit more suspicious of Leion. </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> I still think showtime is playing differently enough from the last game that I have him as town for the moment, but that can change depending on how things go.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Missed this. Thanks for your insight. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Zergon" data-cite="Zergon" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I´m waiting answers too. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> And apparently, I'm blind.</p><p> </p><p> If I got my choice of the council with myself not getting to be a part of it:</p><p> </p><p> At this moment I'd go with DJ, MoT, and Fella Libby.</p><p> </p><p> I like DJ's mind for the game and feel like he's pushing paths and trying to scum hunt. And of course, the bromance doesn't hurt.</p><p> I like MoT's consistent sound logic. And I still have to give them major points for being the first to bring up the council vote options and discussing the options with us all at night and taking in people's opinions.</p><p> I like Fella Libby's transparency and feel like they genuinely are town. </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Destiny" data-cite="Destiny" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Sorry for the late reply. If I couldn't choose myself then at this stage I would choose MoT for reasons, Emark because he voluntarily said that he appears in both write-ups and that isn't an easy thing to lie about and the last one is hard, I want to say you but it seems like you haven't been around much since this phase. I'm still trying to get a feel for you in this game. Can't think of any other solids for me right now. Would you nominate me?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I wouldn't feel comfortable nominating you. Part of that is respect for your ability to deceive me, part of that is that I'm really struggling to give you a town lean at the moment. </p><p> </p><p> I lean towards the DJ/MoT side of things, where I see some of your questions as role hunting and I have trouble fully trusting you. I don't think I'm at the level of "we have to lynch Destiny" but I wouldn't want you in a spot where you could be making some crucial decisions for us.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Memory of Talon" data-cite="Memory of Talon" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Well, you have to first understand that I had TSS on my suspicions list for the reasons I gave earlier in the phase. <p> </p><p> Then you also have to understand that I thought I saw a certain someone say that "their resources" on TSS said that TSS was scum. </p><p> </p><p> I mistook what was said to be a subtle hint of power that could be trusted. </p><p> </p><p> This is why I apologized for the miscommunication yesterday as I was looking at things wrong.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> /nod. You're good, no apology needed. I was also overly defensive which isn't helpful with reads.</p><p> </p><p> Being that you are one of the only voters today: what are your thoughts at the moment?</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Too Sweet Spartan" data-cite="Too Sweet Spartan" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>If you got your choice of the 3 council members on the condition that you weren't one of them: who would you choose?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Still waiting on an answer to this, Destiny.</p><p> </p><p> And Showtime, same question.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="djthefunkchris" data-cite="djthefunkchris" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>creepy clown gif</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> ...This forum should have a dislike button for posts. lol</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rabbitman" data-cite="Rabbitman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Nothing specific on Crychon. I think I just want it to be true after Sunset mafia. <img alt=":o" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/redface.png.900245280682ef18c5d82399a93c5827.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Eliphas is bottom 3 for TBP.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Ah, alright. What do you make of the suspicion on you? Fair or unfair? Scummy or not scummy?</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rabbitman" data-cite="Rabbitman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>11. Crychon - Honestly have a blind spot with crych I think. I think I want him to be scum more than I believe he actually is</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Have you seen something about Crychon? I haven't seen his name come up much and don't have any real read on him.</p><p> </p><p> Also: What did TBP say about Eliphas? I must've missed it.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="djthefunkchris" data-cite="djthefunkchris" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'm starting to think Rabbitman doesn't fit him, lol.<p> </p><p> <img alt="JptBciS.gif" data-src="https://i.imgur.com/JptBciS.gif" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Well, at least I already know what my nightmare tonight will be. So thanks.</p>

<p>Rabbitman:</p><p> </p><p> What are your reads at the moment? Three people you think are most likely to flip scum?</p>

Oh, Rabbitman is here. Going to read your post but then definitely have some questions. Please don't take off just yet.

<p>Also a good catch. Updated.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Phase One:</p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Nominations</span></strong></p><p> <strong><em>Destiny: 3 (</em></strong><strong><em><span style="color:#FF0000;">eayragt</span></em></strong><strong><em>, Destiny, Memory of Talon)</em></strong></p><p> <strong><em>Derek B: 3 (Derek B, djthefunkchris, Emark)</em></strong></p><p> <span style="color:#0000FF;">Rayalek:</span> 1 (<span style="color:#0000FF;">Rayelek</span>)</p><p> lukess11: 2 (lukess11, Too Sweet Spartan)</p><p> <span style="color:#0000FF;">Bluestar</span>: 1 (<span style="color:#0000FF;">Eternal Phoenix</span>)</p><p> Rabbitman: 1 (Tha Black Phenom)</p><p> <strong><em>Memory of Talon: 3 (Leion, Eliphas, FellaLibby)</em></strong></p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Lynch</span></strong></p><p> <span style="color:#0000FF;">Bluestar:</span> 2 (Memory of Talon,<span style="color:#0000FF;"> DeadCeleb</span>)</p><p> Memory of Talon: 2 (Leion, <span style="color:#0000FF;">Eternal Phoenix</span>)</p><p> <span style="color:#0000FF;">EddieFnG</span>: 4 (Derek B, <span style="color:#0000FF;">Rayelek</span>, Destiny, <span style="color:#FF0000;">eayragt</span>)</p><p> <span style="color:#0000FF;">cappyboy</span>: 1 (Eliphas)</p><p> </p><p> Phase Two:</p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Nominations</span></strong></p><p> <strong><em>lukess11: 3 (lukess11, Tha Black Phenom, FellaLibby)</em></strong></p><p> Destiny: 1 (Destiny)</p><p> <strong><em>Memory of Talon: 3 (Crychon, Leion, Zergon)</em></strong></p><p> <strong><em>Crychon: 3 (Memory of Talon, </em></strong><strong><em><span style="color:#0000FF;">DeadCeleb</span></em></strong><strong><em>, Eliphas</em></strong>)</p><p> Derek B: 1 (Too Sweet Spartan)</p><p> <span style="color:#0000FF;">DeadCeleb</span>: 2 (Emark, <span style="color:#0000FF;">cappyboy)</span></p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Lynch</span></strong></p><p> <strong><em><span style="color:#FF0000;">eayragt:</span></em></strong><strong><em> 10 (</em></strong><strong><em><span style="color:#0000FF;">DeadCeleb</span></em></strong><strong><em>, Emark, Tha Black Phenom, Destiny, Teh_Showtime, Memory of Talon, </em></strong><strong><em><span style="color:#0000FF;">cappyboy</span></em></strong><strong><em>, Eliphas, FellaLibby, djthefunkchris)</em></strong></p><p> FellaLibby: 1 (lukess11)</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Zergon" data-cite="Zergon" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Seems about right to me, though Memory of Talon didn´t vote himself to be lynched day 1. Think it should be Eternal Phoenix instead.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Oh, good catch. That was actually a flub by IER in my defense. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> Got rid of the quotes around it because that makes it a pain for others to quote/use it. </p><p> </p><p> Phase One:</p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Nominations</span></strong></p><p> <strong><em>Destiny: 3 (</em></strong><strong><em><span style="color:#FF0000;">eayragt</span></em></strong><strong><em>, Destiny, Memory of Talon)</em></strong></p><p> <strong><em>Derek B: 3 (Derek B, djthefunkchris, Emark)</em></strong></p><p> <span style="color:#0000FF;">Rayalek:</span> 1 (<span style="color:#0000FF;">Rayelek</span>)</p><p> lukess11: 2 (lukess11, Too Sweet Spartan)</p><p> <span style="color:#0000FF;">Bluestar</span>: 1 (<span style="color:#0000FF;">Eternal Phoenix</span>)</p><p> Rabbitman: 1 (Tha Black Phenom)</p><p> <strong><em>Memory of Talon: 3 (Leion, Eliphas, FellaLibby)</em></strong></p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Lynch</span></strong></p><p> <span style="color:#0000FF;">Bluestar:</span> 2 (Memory of Talon,<span style="color:#0000FF;"> DeadCeleb</span>)</p><p> Memory of Talon: 2 (Leion, <span style="color:#0000FF;">Eternal Phoenix</span>)</p><p> <span style="color:#0000FF;">EddieFnG</span>: 4 (Derek B, <span style="color:#0000FF;">Rayelek</span>, Destiny, <span style="color:#FF0000;">eayragt</span>)</p><p> <span style="color:#0000FF;">cappyboy</span>: 1 (Eliphas)</p><p> </p><p> Phase Two:</p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Nominations</span></strong></p><p> <strong><em>lukess11: 3 (lukess11, Tha Black Phenom, FellaLibby)</em></strong></p><p> Destiny: 1 (Destiny)</p><p> <strong><em>Memory of Talon: 3 (Crychon, Leion, Zergon)</em></strong></p><p> <strong><em>Crychon: 3 (Memory of Talon, </em></strong><strong><em><span style="color:#0000FF;">DeadCeleb</span></em></strong><strong><em>, Eliphas</em></strong>)</p><p> Derek B: 1 (Too Sweet Spartan)</p><p> <span style="color:#0000FF;">DeadCeleb</span>: 2 (Emark, <span style="color:#0000FF;">cappyboy)</span></p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Lynch</span></strong></p><p> <strong><em>eayragt: 10 (</em></strong><strong><em><span style="color:#0000FF;">DeadCeleb</span></em></strong><strong><em>, Emark, Tha Black Phenom, Destiny, Teh_Showtime, Memory of Talon, </em></strong><strong><em><span style="color:#0000FF;">cappyboy</span></em></strong><strong><em>, Eliphas, FellaLibby, djthefunkchris)</em></strong></p><p> FellaLibby: 1 (lukess11)</p>

<p>I think this is accurate. If not, someone let me know and I'll fix the colors as needed. I don't see anything too alarming here but putting it out here in case someone else does.</p><p> </p><p> Phase One:</p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="i effin rule" data-cite="i effin rule" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Nominations</span></strong></p><p> <strong><em>Destiny: 3 (</em></strong><strong><em><span style="color:#FF0000;">eayragt</span></em></strong><strong><em>, Destiny, Memory of Talon)</em></strong></p><p> <strong><em>Derek B: 3 (Derek B, djthefunkchris, Emark)</em></strong></p><p> <span style="color:#0000FF;">Rayalek:</span> 1 (<span style="color:#0000FF;">Rayelek</span>)</p><p> lukess11: 2 (lukess11, Too Sweet Spartan)</p><p> <span style="color:#0000FF;">Bluestar</span>: 1 (<span style="color:#0000FF;">Eternal Phoenix</span>)</p><p> Rabbitman: 1 (Tha Black Phenom)</p><p> <strong><em>Memory of Talon: 3 (Leion, Eliphas, FellaLibby)</em></strong></p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Lynch</span></strong></p><p> <span style="color:#0000FF;">Bluestar:</span> 2 (Memory of Talon,<span style="color:#0000FF;"> DeadCeleb</span>)</p><p> Memory of Talon: 2 (Leion, Memory of Talon)</p><p> <span style="color:#0000FF;">EddieFnG</span>: 4 (Derek B, <span style="color:#0000FF;">Rayelek</span>, Destiny, <span style="color:#FF0000;">eayragt</span>)</p><p> <span style="color:#0000FF;">cappyboy</span>: 1 (Eliphas)</p></div></blockquote><p> Phase Two:</p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="i effin rule" data-cite="i effin rule" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Nominations</span></strong></p><p> <strong><em>lukess11: 3 (lukess11, Tha Black Phenom, FellaLibby)</em></strong></p><p> Destiny: 1 (Destiny)</p><p> <strong><em>Memory of Talon: 3 (Crychon, Leion, Zergon)</em></strong></p><p> <strong><em>Crychon: 3 (Memory of Talon, </em></strong><strong><em><span style="color:#0000FF;">DeadCeleb</span></em></strong><strong><em>, Eliphas</em></strong>)</p><p> Derek B: 1 (Too Sweet Spartan)</p><p> <span style="color:#0000FF;">DeadCeleb</span>: 2 (Emark, <span style="color:#0000FF;">cappyboy)</span></p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Lynch</span></strong></p><p> <strong><em>eayragt: 10 (</em></strong><strong><em><span style="color:#0000FF;">DeadCeleb</span></em></strong><strong><em>, Emark, Tha Black Phenom, Destiny, Teh_Showtime, Memory of Talon, </em></strong><strong><em><span style="color:#0000FF;">cappyboy</span></em></strong><strong><em>, Eliphas, FellaLibby, djthefunkchris)</em></strong></p><p> FellaLibby: 1 (lukess11)</p></div></blockquote>