Too Sweet Spartan

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="djthefunkchris" data-cite="djthefunkchris" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Neutral. I can see his viewpoint way better in his last post than in his first post.<p> </p><p> As I said though, not sure if it's legitimate, because I could see this as being an answer before he posted it, as a way of getting around that he basically accused me of what he is doing.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> /nod.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Going to be taking my wife to church in a few. I'm not going to church, don't want their water to start boiling and mess it all up for her.<img alt=":cool:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You and D-Man seem like you'd get along. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="djthefunkchris" data-cite="djthefunkchris" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>That's way better than what you originally said. As I said before, I don't mind posts that say they don't trust me, think I'm scummy or scum, or negative in regards to "He is a good enough player to fool me" kind of posts.. or even a "I'm not fooled by you" post. Your original post said I was scum sleeping in the forum, which implied I wasn't active. <p> </p><p> I do however wonder, did my response inspire you to change up a bit, or was this really your actual intent, and you just worded it wrong.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> So do you think TBP is town now? Slightly feeling better? Thoughts unchanged?</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Destiny" data-cite="Destiny" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Well today is the first day that I haven't nominated myself so far but I'd still like to be on the council.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> If you got your choice of the 3 council members on the condition that you weren't one of them: who would you choose?</p>

<p>I'm back. In better spirits and still feeling bad about yesterday, so sorry again people. But like I said, I need to move on. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> 1. We haven't discussed nominations for the council yet either. So if people are a bit frozen on who they believe are scum, or even just awaiting question answers, this is another conversation that we can be having. Activity is a good thing, it forces more opportunity for scum slips.</p><p> </p><p> 2. Still need to hear from the super quiets. Rabbitman mostly. The other lower posters have been doing better this phase. So kudos to them.</p><p> </p><p> 3. I think I'm really struggling with reads so I'm going to dig back through the earlier phases and see if I can find anything that stands out with the new info that we have.</p>

Hey, you know what, reading these posts over I'm coming across like a prick. I don't like acting that way or negatively contributing to the game environment. I'll give a short apology now and try to just move on tomorrow, but I'm sorry. I had a bad day, saw the vote against me and got super rude. I can play the game without being a jerk to people and I'll get back to doing that. To not make this post: 1) all about me 2) non-game related I'll throw out a question to someone. Fella Libby: You went from a large focus near the end of last day phase to not much focus your way today. First off, what do you make of that? Second off, how do you feel about Zergon?

Straight up wrong. I was mad because Caleb shouldn't have died. It was dumb for a scum team to choose him and even dumber for it to have actually worked. Our protectors dropped the ball, simple as that. We'll figure stuff out post game, maybe there's more to it but for now it feels like a bad misplay. But I don't want them outting themselves. That exact same post I stress the need for us to keep some roles close to our chest if we want any chance of winning. I get that it is only technically day 3 but we lost 7 townies in 2 nights. It makes me feel like we're already in midgame and need to keep staying effective like last phase. Come on Leion, if you're going to rejoin the game and start pushing leads, I'm happy. But re-read the posts and re-think your reads. Now to stop being so cranky, I'm getting to bed. Tomorrow I'll be back and more active (like I said I'd be).

You've already switched off but I'm going to respond to this regardless. I am town. I am trying to help. And I can't tell if it is tunneling or general distrust or whatever but I don't understand where yours, Lukess, and others reads are coming from towards me. Regardless, we've both seen the same posts and now my alignment is a lot more clear. But it shouldn't have had to come to this in the first place. My phone isn't letting me multiquote so Leion's post is next.

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lukess11" data-cite="lukess11" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Seeing as I am on the council and one of three people that can vote, I will throw out my three most sus players. I am wary of Rabbitman, Spartan and Showtime. I am always getting a scum read on showtime, don't like Rabbit not showing up and Spartan seems to be trying to blend in more than normal.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That's a bad read. I'm struggling because I don't have a strong role and am still forming reads. And I'm mostly annoyed that Caleb got killed after outting himself and the next thought everyone had was that the mailman should just reveal whatever they found, just felt like scum hunting for another power role. And I'm not even convinced it was scum doing it, just town offering up our only night help. We can't have many power night roles left, we need to be protective of them not throwing them to the wolves.</p><p> </p><p> But if I'm going to say don't go my way, I should offer an alternative: D1 I said I wanted to put my trust in you and Zergon until I felt that it was a bad idea. I've been paying attention to Zergon and it made me feel that my trust was poorly placed.</p><p> </p><p> I'm getting a huge scum read on him. Maybe I'm overly paranoid because I know he is good at playing scum. But he's acting sketchy to me. I feel like he's acting overly innocent.</p><p> </p><p> I'm on my phone but he made a post right after Eargyrt got lynched and we found out there were 2 scum teams. His post came off phony to me like he already definitely knew it.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Definitely saw myself in a writeup</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Cool, thanks. Didn't see this post before my most recent one but yeah, can you ask some questions and try to do some scum hunting too? </p><p> </p><p> If we can keep a lot of conversation circling along it's easier for people to drop SUBTLE hints if they caught someone being scummy. So the more people we have getting asked questions, the better.</p>

<p>Maybe it is for the best to have this in the council's hands because I'm going to be in and out today. Regardless, I'll be trying to pop on to respond to answers. </p><p> </p><p> And I'll be here/active tomorrow to hopefully help find a good direction for us to go towards.</p><p> </p><p> To the people I asked questions to: Don't just answer them. Ask questions of your own to people you're curious about.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="i effin rule" data-cite="i effin rule" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> </p><p> <em>He looked down at his phone and then to the house and then back to the phone.</em></p><p><em> </em></p><p> <strong><span style="color:#0000FF;">Mobile Man: This is the place.</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color:#0000FF;"> </span></strong></p><p> <em>He pulled a mask down over his face and walked up to the door; of course, it was unlocked. He entered slowly, approaching a man sitting in front of a computer and wearing headphones. Poor </em><em><strong>DeadCeleb</strong></em><em> never heard his intruded, but he felt the wire wrap around his neck. He felt it until the point where he could no longer feel anything. The intruder releases his grasp and the now limp body crumples to the ground.</em></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> ...Protection roles, where are you? </p><p> </p><p> Celeb outted scum yesterday and revealed he had a strong role that could help town. I don't understand the logic in not making sure he'd make it through the night.</p><p> </p><p> This was an avoidable death, I really don't like this. </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> <em>The figure stood in front of the building, trying to muster up the courage.</em></p><p><em> </em></p><p> <strong><span style="color:#800080;">Figure: Who’s bright idea was it to stick the bodies in a greenhouse? Stupid fricking morons…</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color:#800080;"> </span></strong></p><p> <em>The figure takes in a deep breath before opening the door and entering.</em></p><p><em> </em></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> "stupid fricking morons"... sounds like someone who isn't a fan of town. So I'm leaning towards this character being on a scum team.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><em>She was sorting through her inventory, minding her own business, and keeping to herself. That didn’t stop her assailant from bashing her skull in with an actual yellow brick from the Wizard of Oz’s yellow brick road. </em><em><strong>cappyboy</strong></em><em> falls, what’s left of his head spilling out onto the floor, the now red and yellow brick beside her. Another watches from afar, horrified by what they just saw.</em><p><em> </em></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Sorry to see Cappyboy go too. </p><p> </p><p> And in an out of game note, I'm glad he and his family are alright and safe.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><em>The Disguised Destroyer lurks in the shadows outside of a house, glaring into a dark room.</em></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Disguised destroyer doesn't sound like town. But also sounds weird to be part of a "mafia family" or "realty group". So make of that what you will.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> <em>He approaches the house, heading for the mailbox. Something catches his attention out of the corner of his eye. He does a double-take, looking through a window. </em></p><p><em> </em></p><p> <strong><span style="color:#008000;">Mail Man: Guess they don’t need this anymore…</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color:#008000;"> </span></strong></p><p> <em>He turns and walks back the way he came.</em></p><p><em> </em></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Weird. Hopefully good news for us, don't really understand what is happening here. Probably for the best, truthfully.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="i effin rule" data-cite="i effin rule" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><strong>It is Day 3. You have until 2:00pm EDT on Monday, June 3rd (7:00 pm GMT) to make nominations. Your elected officials have decided to enact a rule allowing them to decide who is lynched. Whoever has the most votes at the end of the phase will be lynched. The phase can end early in the event of a unanimous decision.</strong></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That's fair. Not my preferred option, I'd rather a fast vote than leaving it entirely in 3 people's hands but I understand their choice.</p><p> </p><p> Anyway: I see people saying let's just wait for the people who may have saw something. Have we forgot how to play mafia and solve these things for ourselves? I'm not trying to be rude but we can't just assume that a power is going to out themselves to catch a scum. </p><p> </p><p> And given the fact we've already lost 7 townies with there being 2 scum groups out there, and we just lost the guy who outted himself yesterday... no way in hell would I be outting myself if I saw anything.</p><p> </p><p> Instead of making this transparent and risking someone, let's get back to actually trying to ask questions and push reads.</p><p> </p><p> I'll start.</p><p> </p><p> TBP: If I said that either Derek B, DJ, or Destiny are scum, who would you say it is and why?</p><p> Lukess: What are your reads?</p><p> Rabbitman: You're quieter than a mouse. Why? What are your thoughts at this moment?</p><p> Leion: You're quiet as well. How do you feel about TBP?</p><p> Showtime: Have you seen yourself in a writeup so far? Don't want to know any more details other than yes or no.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Editor6" data-cite="Editor6" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41193" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Looking for alternate names for Aztec Warfare and Feast or Fired. (I'm not changing the concepts of either.)</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> What type of company?</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="StephanieSpoiler" data-cite="StephanieSpoiler" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41193" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I was hoping for some advice in how to handle someone's gimmick & disposition in a story I'm doing in an Impact 2018 game (currently October 2019).<p> </p><p> I signed Leva Bates; she's going to debut as a nurse taking care of Eddie Edwards at a hospital and continue to follow him around after he leaves. She'd slowly start to become more obsessed with him and push his boundaries until he breaks things off, and then she completely snaps and starts messing with him. It would be revealed she's been stalking him for years and was never even a nurse; she just posed as one to get close to Eddie.</p><p> </p><p> My question is: how do I handle her gimmick and disposition? Should I debut her as a face and turn her down the line, even though her actions are always kind of heelish? If so, how should I handle the gimmick? I was going to give her "Obsessive Fan", but that wouldn't work for a face.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'd say debut them as a heel and imagine it starting off rather subtle and getting more and more obvious as it goes on.</p><p> </p><p> Like Bray Wyatt's new kid show host character. Clearly never a good guy but a slow burn reveal of just how evil they truly are.</p>

<p>For real Fella Libby, this ain't your hill to die on. We got a decent bit of people saying that they aren't holding the unvote and revote against you. </p><p> </p><p> If you're town, which I'm leaning towards, we really do need you after that awful night one. Don't go self-sacrificing, go scum hunting.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="FellaLibby" data-cite="FellaLibby" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I believed Eayragt was a SK, wanting to find and kill scum. With the amount of bodies there were on N1, I believed he was speaking the truth that he wasn't trying to be against. Was I wrong to believe? Yes. Do I regret doing what I did? No.<p> </p><p> I hold no regrets. The scum is dead and now I'm targetted because I believed in the scum. If you want me dead, then go. Lynch me. But I promise it will show it was a waste of time and you'll wish you target someone else. I have no fear of what'll come.</p><p> </p><p> And due to this, I will not vote next day at all. Not to show innocence, or anything. Your judgement is your own. I'm not talking directly to anyone with this post, I'm talking to everyone.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'm not sure if you misread what I wrote but I said I <span style="text-decoration:underline;">don't</span> think you are scum.</p>

<p>First off, Eayragt is dead. Good.</p><p> </p><p> I had a weird thought that maybe colors were flipped because:</p><p> </p><p> 1. We have a mafia donna with a black title that is dead.</p><p> 2. We have a "claimed" SK with a red title that sounds like an authentic sk "spec ops veteran"</p><p> </p><p> But Zergon is right. "Vainglory Realty Group" does not sound like a one person independent thing at all.</p><p> </p><p> Which means this is a multi-scum team game. Never played one of those before. It means I have to fix my reads a bit. Because now it isn't just town/scum. It is Town/Vainglory/Scarpa. </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Memory of Talon" data-cite="Memory of Talon" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'm at work so I won't be on till later but this is going to be a doozy.<p> </p><p> Proposals</p><p> </p><p> 1. HOA council will determine who is lynched</p><p> </p><p> 2. The day phase will be only 24 hours</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I don't know how I feel about this. I think I'd prefer option 2 since with us getting back to plurality style, I feel like a scum pile on will be a lot more clear/obvious than a majority vote where you see town and scum throwing themselves on a late vote. And realistically, using this day phase an example, we all could've got on Eayragt quicker if we knew the day phase was ending soon and we needed to get a vote in.</p><p> </p><p> But truthfully, if I were council, I'd be strongly tempted to take option 1. It's not even a town/scum thing, just that I trust myself before I trust us all. So I can't in good consciousness say the council are scummy if they take that option too.</p><p> </p><p> So, I'll leave it in council's hands and won't really be upset with either choice.</p><p> </p><p> That being said:</p><p> </p><p> @Lukess - I don't think Fella Libby is scum. I think the unvote was too bold of an action for someone to take if they're trying to blend in. </p><p> </p><p> That being said, my next thought was to look at who jumped at him because there could be scum in that mix. But looking at it, I feel pretty town-ish about a fair bit of the people that jumped on him too (the group was MoT, Caleb, you/Lukess, Showtime) so I feel like the best thing we could do is just log the incident in the back of your memory but not treat it as our main path forward next day phase. That feels like a bad path to me.</p>

*Celeb, not Caleb. Sorry about that, I feel bad messing people's names up. Feels disrespectful even if it is just a forum name.

<p>I already threw my nomination behind Derek but if I hadn't, I would've been fine supporting either DeadCaleb or Lukess.</p><p> </p><p> DeadCaleb is town lock, safe choice to make.</p><p> Lukess has a clever mind for mafia, knows how to find good loopholes/tricks.</p>

I'm seeing a problem here... ...and I guess you saw it immediately too. lol What do you mean "control me"?

Two posts: Happy about being scum I guess. Trying to avoid the spotlight so early as godmother. ...Everything looks a lot more obvious in hindsight but wow, yeah, this screams scum.

I'm going to look back and see if Paws revealed anything that could be helpful for us going forward after this phase. Doubt it, but might as well check.

Lot of gifs, not a lot of actual scum hunting. Not the DJ I'm accustomed to. I disagreed with him saying that Derek B and I looked scummy for pointing out the value of the night skip. Derek B's statement was clearly rooted, in my opinion, along the lines of "We're not doing this... but let me point out why it isn't as transparently bad as it sounds like at first". And he presented some sound logic. We just saw the power of night abilities with DeadCaleb catching Eayragt in the act. No one could've known that would have happened but without that, we'd probably not have much of a clear path this day phase. Two night phases gave town powers twice the chance to find something to give town a good path forward. Turns out it wasn't needed but the thought itself isn't a bad idea. This is going to veer in a different direction but I feel like DJ is super tough on himself and easy to think he made a bad decision. So after trusting Derek B, he was immediately reading every post like "Wow, I'm an idiot. Derek is clearly scum". I also didn't feel good about the council but I will concede that you three definitely acted in town's best interest last night. And while I am wary of you more than the other two, I wouldn't be too upset if we ended up having a repeat performance of you three.

...Maybe I'm a pathological rule breaker. Or maybe I'm awful with any sort of forum coding, lol. Nominate: Derek B

Holy hell, I've never seen a night phase like that. SIX deaths in one night? That's crazy. Reading over the writeup, this is what my thoughts are: I think Blue and/or Ray were killed by scum. There was a lurky/sneaky man that killed him, reads mafia to me. Could be 1 mafia/1 SK kill too though. Blue's death triggered his animals to go crazy, I guess. The animals killed MLT, Paws, Hellshock, EP. Moving on, looks like DeadCaleb caught Eayragt at the scene of the crime. I see Eayragt claiming that's wrong but it looks pretty clear to me. I don't want to vote too quickly until we have nominations taken care of but that's likely where my vote will be. Eayragt: if I were you, it's time for a full claim if you want any chance of people to believe you. I feel a little less comfortable with Destiny in the council but fine with MoT and Derek B. Nominate: Derek B I think Derek had some strong logic last night. I respected him not just going with the obvious option immediately but truly thinking out both options fully. That felt like a town thing to me. I saw Destiny's point that Eayragt put a lot of distance between himself and Destiny after the nomination but I could still believe that was intentional. Do it and then "Oh, I didn't mean to do that. Guess it is stuck though." Not saying Destiny is scum, just that I'm wary.

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Derek B" data-cite="Derek B" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I understand people wanting to be cautious, but I figure pushing for more aggression makes things more interesting. At least for me. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You know, I didn't actually hate your logic.</p><p> </p><p> When I saw the choices, it seemed immediately obvious what the right decision was but you brought up a lot of good points and sold the other option really well.</p><p> </p><p> Like you mentioned, not having any council members and having to RNG it is the big additional hurdle that makes me feel that the council made the right decision this night phase. If it weren't for that... maybe day skip actually would have been a smart decision. Definitely the risky/aggressive one either way.</p><p> </p><p> It's already settled and it reads like you three already each submitted in the right decision but just wanted to post this to say "good point, Derek B". I actually really appreciated your thoughts/logic on the matter. I wouldn't have thought that way about it until you said something.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rayelek" data-cite="Rayelek" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46676" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I would be shocked if we get Day Skip. Even if both Derek and Destiny are scum, it's a ballsy play to out both of them with that vote. Of course, if we got Day Skip, it'll be a situation where all 3 council members are saying "I voted Majority, the other 2 are scum".</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'm with you. It'd be a dumb trade especially this early. 2 of 3 pretty much confirmed as scum just to get an extra night.</p><p> </p><p> Yeah I agree with you, pretty confident that we'll be getting vote majority. There's no legitimate argument that anyone could make against it with these as the options without being obvious scum. Looks like I was fretting about nothing in regards to the council this phase.</p>