TsuMirren

<p>Another quick update, links updated. WCW's Mid-Atlantic pop and South East pops switched, I've checked their cards for October through December 85 and I'm comfortable enough. Added a few venues, including WTBS Studios (purely for those who want to play and cost themselves money). The game will never run it, though I did set it as owned by JCP...not that it'll matter.</p><p> </p><p> Big Bear has a new logo now, taken from a Dave McKigney business card.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="smartman" data-cite="smartman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45191" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I figured that you had to do that so they could run shows in the South East. Per the NWA rules, they wouldn't if they were in the Mid Atlantic. Plus, they started shifting over to Atlanta once they got on TBS since it was easy to fly in and out of for their shows. Now, if you flipped their Mid-Atlantic and South East pop, which probably should happen btw, it wouldn't be as big of a deal. I run Worldwide out of Mid-Atlantic and WCW out of the South East mainly because that's how they were run at this time, and it is a good idea to not run all 9 shows in one region. Great Lakes isn't ready to be run yet without losing a lot of money.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah, I forgot to check the pop. Too busy going through the Facebook group on Dave McKigney.</p>

That's 1.1 updated, a few new pics in the additions file and Big Bear Promotions are added in. Also fixed some locations, stunned nobody pulled me up for JCP being based in the South East. Not quite V 1.2, no point doing 1.11.

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="LordofGustav" data-cite="LordofGustav" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45191" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I was planning something similar, but with WCW leaving the NWA and Jim Crockett being the CEO of it.<p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Did you make a logo for it or something like that? Because maybe it could be a solution to fill the absence of a logo that may never existed.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Grabbed a logo from some TV footage.</p><p> </p><p> Looking like later today for an upload, plenty of football on and I got caught up earlier with some updating.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Matt Shannon" data-cite="Matt Shannon" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45191" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>IIRC, from the sounds of it, it sounds like it was self defense on Hall's part, but I'd rather not go down that rabbit hole now. Suffice to say I can see your reasoning for the lifestyle choices being ticked, especially now that the potential penalties are tied in to the consistency stat. That has been a great new addition because if the drinking, drugs, etc isn't too high, you won't always incur a penalty. I think I've even had some workers have their lifestyle stats in the teens & it didn't sink my segments &/or matches. So I took the long way to say depending on where you have their lifestyle numbers at (haven't had a chance to look yet), I think it should be fine. Heck, it was the 80s! <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah, I've cut them down a little bit though they're still there.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="LordofGustav" data-cite="LordofGustav" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45191" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>World Wrestling Association's logo is wrong, since it's using the logo of the 2001 Australian promotion World Wrestling All-Stars.<p> </p><p> Honky Tonk Man's photo doesn't load neither.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yup, Honky's pic is in the additional pics zip file I added to the OP!</p><p> </p><p> As for the WWA, I used the same as wiki. They didn't really appear to have a logo, but seeing as I am such a total and utter geek I have put something together and that'll be added to the additional pics when I update later. Maybe even tonight.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="smartman" data-cite="smartman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45191" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>For some reason, Jesse Ventura is still set as an active wrestler with an active wrestler contract (so you have to change both) even though his bio correctly states that he retired in 1984 due to that heart condition. I'm not sure his relevance age should be the time he becomes Minn. governor. <p> </p><p> In the minor quibble territory, were Jake Roberts and Scott Hall really that drugged in 1985? I'm not sure if they'd ever pick those up if they started at 0 though so if that's the reason, that's fine. Maybe at 1?</p><p> </p><p> It looks like everything else I mentioned got addressed though. Now, time to try a diary run for the 3rd time. Maybe this time Kevin Sullivan won't become booker for TASW so my trios group can work. I have everything mapped out for 9 months so I just need the dominoes to fall correctly.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Just found myself down a rabbit hole, Gary Hart was the TASW booker around October 85 (quit WCCW due to Lewin being fired, didn't last long in TASW)...well, pinch me! As for Jake, he'd have started taking something by 85 a his throat injury had occurred by then. Also, having shot someone two years earlier (allegedly, though he has admitted it since...to cover me) could have seen Hall drinking and smoking. Besides, they ALL did!</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="LordofGustav" data-cite="LordofGustav" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45191" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Also, i found out that Paul Orndorff should be a face, since he was attacked in the first ever SNME by Piper and Orton, that was in May 11th, 1985 and should not have Heenan as a manager since Paul fired him.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yup, I had that pointed out elsewhere. I'm in football mode just now though, just paid for</p><p> 12 dvds of highlights of the 1974 World Cup, so may be a while until I get to it all.</p>

I'll check my database, see what is coming up. I know I changed Honky's pic, may have forgotten to add to the additional pics zip.

Ventura wrestled in 85 & 86, so I don't have to change either. I evidently forgot to edit the bio. I'll check Roberts and Hall's drugged upness.

I've updated the OP with the links for V1.1. Data is just the old link, whilst there's an additional link for added graphics to save anyone who downloaded V1 from having to download all the graphics again. I think it's time to give some proper play time to Football Manager.

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Crawler25" data-cite="Crawler25" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45191" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I've come up with a list of the fixes that need to be made for the title lineages.<p> Some are lineages that go past the start date, while others are the current champions having a title lineage and being listed in title history. If you need these let me know and I'll put up the list of what I've found.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I may have captured them ahead on releasing V1.2, hoping to get that released asap.</p><p> </p><p> I'll go back through this thread to make sure I've captured everthing.</p><p> </p><p> Put in a bit of work tonight, found myself a wee rabbit hole and ended up making up a few enhancement guys.</p>

Cheers, I think I've picked up some of that whilst tweaking though I'll check all. Not sure when V 1.1 will be released, need a weekend to really dig in at some point.

Depends how the child promotion came to be.

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="smartman" data-cite="smartman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45191" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Okay, that might be as funny as Brother Midnight from River City Wrestling that the 6:05 podcast covered with Cornette and on his official podcast YT channel Arcadian Vanguard (his co-host's YT channel).<p> </p><p> Oh, and I just double-checked. Another legacy error from 87 is that Piper is set as a face. Might need to go through and just check that everyone in the WWF and JCP (though Nikita is the only one I saw though Manny Fernandez is the only heel on the 6-man tag which I don't think is right) is set properly. WWF did some glacial booking, especially by even mid-90's standards much less 2010 standards, but some things changed.</p><p> </p><p> And I went ahead and set WWW to air on TBS along with upping JCP's momentum to B and got a +0.6 gain everywhere but SE, but the show was better this time around, on a Big network, and run in Mid-Atlantic (lower pop than in the SE). So, I'm still confused. Network size has never mattered before, though I think it is supposed to, but I've been on lower than Big outside of WCW and WWF/E games.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I've added a few small broadcasters for WWW (obviously not updated in the links yet), so the ai may well look to add more...of course, the vast majority have "Must Cover Home" set as Yes to stop NJPW etc picking up a host of North American deals. That, sadly, then makes it impossible for American promotions to get the syndicate deals. One solution might be to just bang WWW on to the First Run Syndication broadcaster, which has all US areas as Medium. I should probably have a FRS with low or even small also as I've got ICW's TV on FRS. Would be nice if it was home country/area and not home region to allow regional expansion.</p><p> </p><p> JCP momentum is very much up for debate, suppose you could argue B.</p><p> </p><p> I was going to do the face/heel checks, definitely on my list and short term I'll fix Piper anyway.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="alvarasus" data-cite="alvarasus" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45191" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Nick Patrick announcing? I need to see this</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Youtube Deep South Wrestling from 87 or so</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="smartman" data-cite="smartman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45191" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I was kind of hoping Adam, Derek, or Jaysin would pop in here with the answer. <img alt=":(" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/frown.png.e6b571745a30fe6a6f2e918994141a47.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><p> </p><p> How do you delete a few of the title lineages? I tried to fix the JCP ones and couldn't figure out how to do it. I hope it isn't write everything down, delete it, create a new copy, enter everything in again. I have a feeling someone would have started an insane asylum for mod makers by now if that's the case.<img alt=";)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> Two errors I've found. 1) There's no Fabulous Ones (or The depending on your preference) in the mod. It picked up their title history once I added them in just fine, and the in-game editor lets you put in tag experience. They were my first real tag team so hold a special place in my heart. Also, Stan Lane's face should be higher than 50 as he was always a face in Memphis for those 4 years the Fabs were a thing. 2) Nikita Koloff was still a heel. You missed that when you imported from the 87 mod. The Koloffs win the tag titles in Nov., and he doesn't get turned face until after the day the NWA died aka Magnum's crash.</p><p> </p><p> Oh, and Honky Tonk Man is another one with low physical settings. Ted DiBiase too though that's a little debatable with a balance between all the grind he had pre-WWF and how much WWF just beat people down.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I've been editing almost daily, surprised I missed the Fabs though I think I recall making a mental note to check tag teams then found footage of Nick Patrick announcing and fell down a rabbit hole.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="smartman" data-cite="smartman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45191" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>PPV has always been 0.2 no matter who it is and how big the PPV provider is so I've just accepted that. The pop change was the single worst thing Adam did in 16. As for the other comment, I already stated that the product was medium positive trending so that isn't it. I just don't understand how a trending product, C+ momentum (I've edited it to B for my restart with a bunch of changes I've made just to see if that helps but I've had it that low before with 0.4), and B- or higher wrestling industry produces 0.2 when I've had lower in other mods and gotten 0.4.<p> </p><p> You just shouldn't be guessing at what is clearly the key stat of the game will be when you start a new game.<img alt=":mad:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/mad.png.69834f23b9a8bf290d98375f56f1c794.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> Oh, and I still have Matt's version and looked to see what he had WWW on, but he didn't even have it in there so that wasn't any help (granted he'd stated at the time that he wasn't done with TV when he abandoned it; I could run the converter and check if you want me to). I also fiddled with both shows prestige ratings mainly because I'd rather the AI try and get WCW on before the historically-2nd level show in WWW.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I guess because nobody knows. I've seen 0.2 pop in various mods, perhaps it just happens. I don't think it's for me to crack the code.</p>

You can certainly suggest it. As with pop, I genuinely do not have a clue. In my UWF diary, my pop gain in Tri State has basically ground to a halt. I even had a PPV, with medium coverage across the States, that hit a B- and got me zilch. My B- or C+ TV gets me 0.2, with Rude on there, more recently with Luger, Hayes and the Steiners too. I can only assume that Sportschannel America has small coverage and as such blah blah guesswork.

<p>Thanks for all the feedback. I'm slowly going through and making some changes, incorporating some of those mentioned through various avenues. I'm just gaining access to October 85 from Mid South to review, but from just looking at results the TV could be from all over the year. Also appears Akbar is away by that point in 85, so I'll probably give November and December 85 a quick look also.</p><p> </p><p> There'll be an update released eventually, I'll update the opening post in that case.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="MrCreative" data-cite="MrCreative" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="45191" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Should anyone want direct downloads from a server rather than Mediafire, you can also get them via the article on Nexus here: <p> <a href="https://community.wrestlingnexus.com/articles/233-1985" rel="external nofollow">https://community.wrestlingnexus.com/articles/233-1985</a></p><p> </p><p> Thanks Tsu for the great work <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Aww gee, shucks, I was only doing what I claimed I could. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

Cheers for the below, responses in bold.

Okay folks, the 1985 real world mod is here. I don't have a name for it or a banner, but see below for some detail. Data and game world: Beginning in October of 1985, this mod offers you the chance to pick up at a time when the UK has THREE promotions on television (fair enough, one was in Wales). You also have various US promotions on Screensport, most US promotions with some form of television deal and...more importantly I hear you all say...the NWA in a relatively healthy state. Oh, alright, the important part is really WWF post-Wrestlemania I and the fact the WCCW, Mid-South and AWA could all join Jim Crockett Promotions in battling with the WWF juggernaut. The release itself utilises the 1987 TGA mod released by Genadi as it's base, whilst pulling from work I've done for various mods on the UK & Europe, Alv's 1980 mod and Justtxyank's Rising Storms with a whole raft of additions on top of all that. So, thanks goes out to my Mod Squad colleagues for the data, chat, allowing me to collaborate with them, the discussion and their tolerance levels. I've no doubt the release will raise issues, debate and discussion. At times I've made a call on what to do with a worker, his name and/or alter egos. With the UWF, I've of course started them as Mid-South and narratives will change the name and logos. The title belts begin as the UWF ones as obviously you can't set belts to retire or become live in game. I've added a few promotions, tried my best with the TV deals (quite possible AWA and/or WWF have too many affiliates, though I've no doubt some may drop off), given the NWA as wide a group of members as possible and trawled Screensport indents and footage to try to understand exactly how many promotions were on there. There's some new logos in there, some workers will have edited bios and others will no doubt have ones that mention events post-85. Title histories have been edited, does my head in though that you can't delete them from within the title screen so I'll have missed some out of sheer monotony. You will of course no doubt get to use Gino...ohhhhhhhh Gino...beyond his death and perhaps Mike Von Erich will make a full recovery. Just some of the joys to uncover as you progress from the start of October 1985 onwards. If you spot anything that needs edited or you feel could be a possible change then feel free to post them on here. I ran 9 year long runs and I'm two weeks in to a diary, nothing really obvious has jumped out at me or at least no game changers. The main thing I didn't really change was Halls of Fame and there's only one starting storyline as you'll set your own and the game won't run those provided anyway. PIC PACK: The supplied pick pack includes all of my edits, quite frankly every single one I've done for various mods, along with the entire MSP pic pack and possibly some gathered from Justtxyank's pic pack. Game Speed: Runs nice and fast on my PC, plus being born in the 70's probably means I'm a bit more patient. Hopefully it'll be playable for all, should be. THE LINKS (now updated to V1.2): Now on to V1.2, felt the edit of the NWA and relocation of locations back to the Mid-Atlantic merited that. There's a few other edits out there, including being able to add Polynesian Pro to the NWA. CWF are limited to Regional, whilst the limit has been removed for the WWA. I've updated V1.1, just didn't feel it merited being 1.2. Big Bear Promotions is added in, plus JCP is based in Mid-Atlantic with the Carolina's moved back to Mid-Atlantic. The Mid West State locations have also been moved out of the Mid South so Central States works properly. Oh and The Destroyer is added in. Data - http://www.mediafire.com/file/nofpew2k31zci8a/1985.zip Graphics - http://www.mediafire.com/file/xiyi5j6m3hwkt7o/1985%20Graphics.zip Additional graphics for V1.2 (includes all additional from V1 onwards) - http://www.mediafire.com/file/8kaenerrqnd8wda/85%20Additions.zip Enjoy, the mod and the time you'll spend on youtube finding out more.

Pretty sure I should be a jobber or do show results that are just an overview not count?

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