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Aye. Who really cares about who is in charge? The whole 'General Manager' type deal, making the 'booker' a character and his job a prize is so beyond played out. Hate it. It smacks of unoriginality. Wrestling folks so inside the wrestling bubble all they can write is kayfabe versions of backstage politics. Go see some movies for cripes sake. Read a book. Go to the theatre. Get ideas from outside the bubble
True, but I think the authority figure/booker/GM character is simply a given part of the sports entertainment genre. It goes back to Jack Tunney as the President of the WWF...'someone' is obviously in charge.
If anything, I'd just like there to be a twist on the 'evil authority' figure and have someone who treats the roster more like a sabermetrics GM using finance and statistics to make decisions that are based in cold, calculated logic instead of always siding with the heels for personal gain.
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I'm thinking there will be a few twists and turns to differntiate it, and I think that's the plan. It's not necessarily the creation of another supergoup that I think they want, but the mystery that will probably play out week to week regarding who is really a part of the group or looking to join it, that's what made the nWo successful. It's not just that you had Hogan and the outsiders, but the week to week accusations that a given person was about to join or that they announced they had a new member and you had to try to figure out who it was.
You said something similar when you posted that incredibly baffling fantasy booking a few pages back. Let me ask you something:
1) Based on TNA's previous booking or these types of stories (i.e Joe feuding with MEM for months and then joining them for no apparent reason) what makes you think the 'twits and turns' would make any more sense or be any more compelling than what's happened up to this point?
2) How exactly would these 'clues' that were allegedly left behind be picked up by the average viewer?
3) Wouldn't that type of storyline STILL be an nWo rip off?
4) Does a storyline that includes that many convoluted twists and turns actually make for a more enjoyable wrestling program? I mean...unless you're a giant fan of something like Lost ..how does a convoluted storyline with a million clues that the average fan can't pick up on that goes nowhere and has no pay off make TNA better?
Was TNA better when the MEM was the central focus of the show?
So I'm waiting to see how it plays out the next several weeks before I offically give it a FAIL.Good for you. As a longtime follower and viewer of TNA in all it's glorious ineptitude and as a longtime critic of Bischoff and Hogan and their inability to sacrifice their egos for the good of the company hey work for, I'm positivie that there's almost no way for this to go well.
I read the spoilers and it already sounds awful. But it's good you're openminded.
I just think that a lot of people reached the end of their ropes.
Also, unless there is another surprise coming or that I missed, I'm confused on what Dixie's hype leading up to the event was for. On her end she wasn't supposed to know this was going to happen and I didn't see any other surprises or big things that could have been what she referred to the last several weeks in terms of big changes in TNA's direction at BFG. This is one of the more illogical things they've done recently in terms of storyline and marketing.Well, duh. It IS TNA.
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Didn't watch it due to working late, but I probably will before impact because some of the matches sound pretty good and and want to see it to read further into the storyline, altohugh I'm stil perplexed as to why THEY didn't include anyone new given
that it was advertised as essentially being and outside froup (unless THEY is just TNAs only way of referring legally to the nWo as I'm sure it's still trademarked)
Here's my take on the storyline from what I've read and what I've seen the last several months.
As of the moment it appears that THEY are EB, Hulk, JJ, Abyss and Hardy, but from what I've read EB has supposedly stated it's full of twists and turns for months.
As of right now the lines appear like this.
In THEY
EB
Hulk
Hardy
Abyss
Jarrett
Against THEY
Sting
Nash
Pope
Tessmacher
In No Man's Land Faces
RVD
Joe
Anderson
Here is what I remember from various impacts before and how I read into it....
1. There was an interview angle in which JJ, Hogan, Sting and Nash were arguing, and the lights went out. When they came on JJ and Hulk were down (but not proof they were actually attacked) and Sting and Nash got kicked the crap out of. This suggests that Fortune are with JJ and Hulk
2. Hogan brought RVD in without EBs approval which upset him. Later Hogan seemed to turn on RVD and set him up for an attack (by fortune I think, and it might be the one RVD got inured on) which furthers the notion that hogan is with fortune and possibly with abyss
3. Joe knew about THEY, or at least thought he did (See the end of reaction 2 weeks ago). JJ abandoning him could be a work. From the sounds of things Sting, Nash and Pope kicked the crap out of him so that probably wasn't a work and they will not be aligned for some time.
4. Still not convinced RVD isn't in on it however because of his role on the last impact (which btw is still unresolved as we don't actually know what dixie signed yet). It's possible they just worked him up to where they reasonably anticipated he'd do that, or he may still be in on it or have thought he was in on it.
5. EB and JJ had a lot of early feuds. It's possible that was a work or that it was resolved when hogan stepped in, but maybe not (note hogan and Jarrett apeared on the same team a lot, but not necessarily with EB all of the time. Hogan and EB also butted heads frequently early on)
6. Hardy lost numerous times to RVD, which provided the motive for a heel turn. RVD also got a bigger and bigger head as time went on which may have been why hogan appears to have turned on him.
7. I'm under the impression that either angle was duped and thought he'd have Hardy's role, or that he is in on it. This is due to the fact that twice in a row he and hardy drew which is exacty what EB wanted and not at all what dixie wanted, not to mention he lost in the only way possible without forcing retirement and gave THEY a 2v1 advantage. His being in the group what also calrify what anderson was alluding to on the last reaction.
I could ramble on, but long story short I see 3 ways of this playing out...
Version 1 (the more obvious)
In THEY
EB
Hulk
Hardy
Abyss
Jarrett
Fortune
Angle
possibly RVD
Against THEY
Sting
Nash
Pope
Tessmacher
In No Man's Land
Joe
EV2
possibly RVD
Anderson
Version 2, 3, and 4(split ambitions of EB and HH)
Team Bischoff
EB
Hardy
Angle
Abyss
possibly Joe
Team Hogan
Hogan
JJ
Fortune
Anderson
Possibly RVD
Team Sting
Sting
Nash
Pope
Tessmacher
No Man's Land
possibly RVD
Ev2
possibly Joe
Version 2: remains as above, EV2 likely joins with sting's group. Hogan and JJ are actually working against Eric from within. In this version RVD would be not be with EB (what did he gain from losing the belt, why side with Hardy. Either EB set it up to look like hogan was setting up RVD and worked to get the belt off of him or RVD is with neither hogan nor EB) Also explains wht sting, nash and pope kicked the crap out of Joe afer JJ bailed. Tessmacher may be a mole for sting's group or may be a mole feeding back info from sting's group to EB
Version 3: Team Sting and Team EB are actually working together to get Hogan out. This would explain why they haven't attacked EB the last few chances they've had, would explain point number two above, Tessmacher's role,fit with the long hogan sting feud and the sting RVD feud, explain why abyss went against hogan after looking for answers as to why sting attacked him on the first live monday night impact, and we've already seen Nash and EB work together before to try to get in hall and waltman, so why not again. Plus sting had numerous chances to explain the whole thing to dixie, but never did.
Version 4:
Similar to the above except that in this scenario Hogan is the good guy and EB is the bad one. Sting will join with hogan to flush out EBs group. May see fortune turn and side with EB to balance out the numbers and explain some of the talks between flair and EB early on (which Hogan was upset about).
Also predict a feud with tessmacher and madison vs velvet and angeilna.
lolwut
In recent interviews Heyman talked of having a 5 year plan for TNA, I doubt this storyline is even planned beyond 5 shows tbh.this.
The booking in this show was awful. Just awful. EV2 going over Fourtune was a terrible move and the only reason it's not getting killed more was because THEY was such a travesty.
I also never want to hear another mention of what a genius Bischoff was or that he gets overly blamed for WCW's failure. The major hit against him is that he took one idea and ran it to the ground. So now what does he do? Join TNA...wait eight months...then do the same idea.
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Hard to take that as evidence given all the other stuff that has gone on like the Monday move and the possible substitution of the old fan-base with a new one over time etc. The question is: "If the X Division was featured more prominently would the rating's have been higher?"
Hyde, the X Division being de-emphasized goes back a lot farther than when Eric and Hogan showed up. It's been happening for a while. And Impact's ratings have still remained fairly steady. Which, to me, means that the fanbase -while disappointed on message boards - still watches in basically the same numbers.
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No your interpretation of rating's doesn't agree. As we do not get minute by minute's or know what makes people tune in in the first place we do not know. Plus midcard drawing less then main event! What a shocker!
Has there been a giant DECREASE in ratings since the X Division was de-emphasized? No? then no one is really all that put-off by it.
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I love your scenario with Lethal.
You are absolutely right that they weren't building up to this since March. Maybe they had intentions to push some old ECW guys in an attempt to lure Heyman in but he wouldn't have wanted that.
PeterHilton your opinions are good. I just enjoy wrestling conversations. Do you have a favorite time period in wrestling?
Smackdown when Lesnar, Angle, Edge, Los Guerreros, Benoit, Rey, and Hogan were running around. Heel Rock...WGTT...Heyman ...lotta good stuff there.
As an Era..Monday Night Wars but only because I was in Navy A school and wrestling was so popular we had weekly viewing parties ..RAW in one room and Nitro in the other. We were a bunch of young (ie drunk) guys about to be sent off to the fleet so things would get rowdy, and most nights would end with someone getting 'beat up' and having the nWo put on them in shaving cream.
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Its tough to say what would you do because their stories are so convulted and uninteresting. I wouldn't have let it get to that point.
Yeah, this. To take TNA from where it is to where it could be would take months of untying on these inane storylines. For the life of me I couldn't even remember what the main event of BFG was til I went to TNA's site..
I mean..shouldn't the biggest PPV of the year have the top face facing the top heel or something close to it?
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Telling them to book better shows is pretty generic. How would you handle things if you were given the book?
Fantasy booking is a joke.
I'm not a booker or a writer for that company. If I wanted to book for TNA i'd do a diary.
I'm speaking generally about what TNA does that sets them back. They - on the whole - have screwed up more often than not. Look at what Stennick said because he's right: their strongest "eras" last a few weeks at a stretch.
If they could just string together six months of quality shows, without the ridiculous over-the-top 'US VS THEM' storylines and concentrate on the fact that they have a ton of talented workers - both in the ring and on the mic - and take advantage of the fact that the E would never put their top matches on free TV while TNA can, then eventually I think TNA would attract a bigger audience more consistently.
But they keep trying to re-create the nWo and create an instant wave of popularity and it just comes off as sloppy and haphazard.
Cut the useless guys off the roster, do some more straightforward booking, pick the guys you're going to push and stick with them, and don't mention a single thing that happened before 2000..it'll be fine. Because they just need to trust the talent they have.
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Its not about who's been with the company from the start its about what interesting things are they doing with the WWE rejects.
Hardy has been god awfully boring in fact what has Hardy done thats mildly interesting since coming back? He's been Anderson's little buddy thats about it. RVD is the same way. Name me one interesting thing Rob Van Dam has done since he's come back. What memorable feud has he done. For years they have tried to get this guy and when they get him he gets into a feud with AJ Styles that lasts FOUR weeks thats it. A feud that could have easily gone the entire summer and they let it go four weeks before ending it. Thats what I'm talking about bringing in guys like OJ, Hardy, RVD, guys that are costing this company a lot of money and for what? What are they doing with these guys? Bobby Lashley, I don't want to think about how much they paid this guy and what did he do? Heck he wasn't even interesting in the WWE feuding with Vince McMahon. This Dr. Pepper can in front of me could be made interesting in a feud with McMahon.
I've heard so many times the "future is now, this is the next generation of wrestling" And then they bring in Tommy Dreamer and whoever else is still hanging around them.
Guys like Jay Lethal, the Motor City Machine Guns guys like that have proven time and time again they can carry the ball they can be big time players in TNA and yet what do they get? Is Jay Lethal even ON the BFG card?
All true.Instead of worrying about whether or not someone is "an original" let's talk about what they're doing now with the company and what they bring to the table.
For instance: Daniels was a longtime TNA guy. But he hadn't been interesting in months and -outside of doing Daniels/AJ for the umpteenth time - didn't look like he had anything on his plate. So losing him wasn't that big a deal.
By the same token, Hardy is a big name and had a ton momentum coming in, but he's been bland as a character and hasn't really delivered in his matches either. After BFG, if it were me, I'd have him job out to someone who needs a little boost in an extended program.
I agree AJ, Joe, and Lethal have moved on out of the X-Division. They are not upper level guys. I just feel like you need to have something to draw people in and the X-Division seemed perfect. I don't mind having some older guys to draw in the older crowd.Other than the obvious answer of they should book better shows what do you think they should do to improve?
Book better shows. That's it.
you can maybe do a better job of not signing guys just for the sake of signing them, and I think that having a more adult product is a plus, but in the end...Book Better Shows.
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The time hasn't passed for TNA to use their X-Division. If they want to create new fans out of people they need to offer something for those people. As someone said before WCW had the cruiserweights in the 1st hour. I know I showed my gf video footage of guys I knew she would like such as Jack Evans, Kazarian, AJ Styles, Brian Danielson, Evan Bourne/Matt Sydal, Rey Mysterio Jr., and other guys who are considered X-Division guys. She loves the athletic stuff. Now she is starting to watch wrestling for the other stuff that I like but I had to get her interested with that stuff first. I think the X-Division having about 2 matches a week would catch peoples attention who don't normally watch wrestling.
Meh...ratings don't agree.
Also..you named 6 guys and 4 of them don't actually work for TNA. I don't really see anyone in the current X division outside of Jay Lethal that have the same potential that guys like AJ, Joe, and Daniels did.
And - as has been mentioned earlier - Lethal should've been elevated beyond the XDivision by now
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i didnt mean that where massive diffrence but there are some. over all talent of the roster, tag titles that mean somthing other then to give someone a belt, while it may not be as cared about as it used to be the inring product is cared about more then in E, while granted its there both on the back burner right now they atleast still have an x-div and a womens div far more talent then E has on both its brands combined (yes thats not a hard achivment).
Saying 'while granted its there both on the back burner right now they atleast still have an x-div and a womens div' is circular logic since I could say the same thing about the WWE's cruisers and Divas. The fact they EXIST does not make them a difference maker.
TNA is far more similar to the WWE than it is different. That was their decision. And it's been that way since Hogan came aboard. And again--it was their decision.
Pointing out minute differences like the tag division and a little more emphasis on the in-ring product won't change that.
And I'm not saying it's a bad thing...I just think that it's something that TNA fans should maybe look at and not try to fight so hard. Because the shows lately aren't terrible...when the writing is good it's still really good TV.
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saying there are NO TNA originals is a tad extreme. while there may be only a few left there still are some around.
Really? Who? Other than AJ and Jarrett..who's been there since basically the beginning?
while tna maybe more like wwe these days there is still enough there to atleast be somewhat diffrent. yes it may not be a 100% alternive anymore but thre are still plenty of diffrences between them.Really? What? What's in TNA's product that's so different from the WWE besides the slightly more PG 13 language?
Their wrestling style used to set them apart and now that rarely gets showcased.
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It makes a difference to my enjoyment of the show. Does it negatively affect ratingz or buyz or things of that nature? No, I'll agree, I don't think it does. I'm just one guy with his own likes and dislikes, who is saying that, in general, I prefer to see new guys over folks who have already been on National television for an extended period of time, and shown 87% of what they can do. Take it with a grain of salt.
I wouldn't have even posted, were I not stunned that someone suggested 'showcasing' Shannon Moore. Hey, I like the guy, I like his team with Jesse, but... What is there left to showcase?
But I think that guys like Pope, Morgan, Angle..etc ..are all wildly entertaining. And I'm pretty sure you enjoyed OJ's gimmick while it lasted.
Shannon Moore is a retread. He's incredibly bland and generally sucked in WWE so it's not a shock he sucks in TNA
That's a case of TNA adding a wrestler for no real reason.
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I don't care where people are "originals" from. My only point was that people want TNA to have an X division. To push guys like AJ Styles, Pope, Samoa Joe, and even Christopher Daniels. I like Daniels but he is never used by TNA.
ummmmm...Daniels was released months ago and has been working for ROH since then
And based on their ratings, I don't really think the majority of TV fans care one way or the other about the X Division.
Again..that time is gone.
Net fans - in a lot of cases - are fooling themselves when they talk about 'what people want.' If TNA starts getting 2's by continuing to push Jeff Hardy, Ken Anderson, Angle, and featuring Hogan...who's to argue?
TNA has more talent on their roster then at any time in their history. They can potentially put on PPVs that feature more "name" wrestlers (top to bottom) than the WWE has.
If they have to push the 'WWE rejects' over AJ to get that crossover success, then so be it.
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You guys are still arguing the 'WWE rejects' thing as if it makes a difference.
Look at that roster...there ARE no TNA originals. Mainly because TNA got rid of them years ago. As a matter of fact, TNA has pretty much got rid of everything that made them stand apart from the WWE. Also...years ago.
They have done a good job taking guys like Pope, Anderson, and Morgan and using their full potential. And guys like Steiner and the Dudleys haven;t reinvented themselves, but they definitely have brought a lot to the company.
But they brought just as many guys who were total busts and/or added nothing to the company: Test, Rikishi, OJ, Val Venis, Dustin Runnels...i mean the list goes on and on and on...
In the end though the argument doesn't matter because if you take out those "WWE rejects" i don't really see anyone on the roster - other than AJ - that you can really call a homegrown STAR anymore.
TNA shifted their focus a long time ago. They're "Sports Entertainment" now. People still worried about how the 'originals' are being treated have really missed the boat.
That time is gone.
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Lotta really ridiculous stuff in this thread lately.
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I actually have been enjoying Sheamus' recent promos. He's not earth-shatteringly good, but he's solid and he work's he crap out of that Irish accent schtick.
He's solid; not great but he definitely doesn't make me want to change the channel.
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that first year with Danielson, Low Ki, Daniels, Spanky, London, AJ Styles, etc was one of the best rosters ever assembled.
yup the Danielson/Daniels/Low Ki three way on their first DVD is still one of my favorite matches of all time
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To each their own. I love early ROH and just about anything they did during Danielson/Punk/Joe's time there.
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On Homicide: I actually think he's done his best work in ROH. And since I think most TNA fans are internet wrestling nerds at heart, i think they view him as mostly "ROH" too.
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That last part was his own fault to eaygrat. On Stennick's point yeah I agree that is why in the end I move towards "Originals" vs "Originals" and both trying to dominate the company. No more holding down talk but we rule talk. Also note that I always put "Originals" in parenthesis as it is really in the eye of the beholder. To me Angle is as much TNA as E now for instance. So to an extant was Christian Cage. Morgan and D'Inero definitely so.
Only to you, Hyde. Only to you. ...
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They've already got a perfectly good AJ. Of course they'd make Styles change his name if they hired him.
I actually liked The Marcus Cor Von name... Wasn't it Marquis Cor Von to begin with? Liked that too. And his music! It was my CAW's SvR tune for that one game he was in.
Meh...I just thought Monty was at his best when he upped the intensity level and acted like a kook.
Sticking him with a name like "Cor Von" and a theme song that was all "Smooth, smooth, smoooooooth" didn't really play to his strengths imo.
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Monty was given the awful awful name Marcus Cor Von
And yeah.if they won't even let Mr. Perfect's kid keep his name...a name that has just as much history as Orton or Dibiase..then I don't know why they wouldn't change AJ Styles as well.
I have a feeling there'd be a lot of market research done to see if the name has enough value to keep it in tact.
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He's definitely lost a step, which is why he's tradeable.
NE's offense doesn't "need" a big target but it ran at an incredibly high level when Moss was at his best.
The worst part of this - for Moss - is that he did EVERYTHING a WR could do that first season in NE, helped that offense break all kinds of records, as one of the big reasons they went 16-0 in the regular season, caught what should have been the game winning TD in a Super Bowl to cap a 19-0 season ( a perfect milestone for his HOF career) and then it all goes away on that wacky Eli Manning drive to give the Giants the win.
Moss will probably never win a SB and now NE looks like they'll be reloading for next year and beyond
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Eric isn't a writer and he's never been a writer. He's more big picture. And I sincerely doubt they've 'laid the foundation' for anything since they came in because - as has been mentioned - a lot of the storylines changed and evolved due to roster moves and - also mentioned before - many of the people involved in the storylines weren't even available when Eric and Hogan signed on.
C'mon..I'm supposed to believe that Hardy turning heel is somehow related to him showing up on the first night and sitting on the top of the cage?
And nothing happened with MEM. Nothing. It was a way to elevate...ummm...Morgan? Joe? Get Scott Steiner airtime? It died due to a lack of direction and fizzled out when people got bored. No one was elevated or helped in any way.
Maybe. But I'd also say you're in the minority because even the writers who review the show for wrestling sites have not picked up on these 'clues.' And since nothing in the spoilers made it seem like they did any kind of comprehensive recap I still think people really won't pick up on it.
DX was derivative. And yes the nWo was a rip-off of a Japanese storyline. That's not the point. MOST storylines are 'rip-offs'of something else. But you're ripping off the nWo using several of the exact same lead characters. In the same position.
It's not just a rip-off..it's a BLATANT rip-off using several characters that are waaaay past their prime (Hogan, Sting) to re-create a story that was done to death a decade ago and then making it worse by tying the albatross that is Jeff Jarrett to it's neck.
I didn't watch the new version of Rocky or Rambo. Why would I watch this?
No. It's not. In both cases it's crap. I didnt want to see Cena vs Orton for the millionth time. I didn't want to see Trips vs HBK for the millionth time. And I certainly don't want to watch Easy Eric and Hollywood Hogan run wild on the goo guys...for the millionth time.
What are they trying? Again..the only person seeing this complex mystery is you.Until I read some spoilers that indicate a story beyond "We're Taking Over!" then it's meaningless to suggest it's anything other than that.