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    The Official TNA / Impact / GFW Discussion Thread

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    Neither Hardy nor James would be 'a major signing'

     

    They're both fairly terrible at the moment...Hardy is a shadow of his 'glory days' who's potential to be a breakout star has come and gone. And other than TraceyBrooksFan i don't know a single human being who cares enough about the women's division in TNA or WWE that Mickie James would actually influence their viewing habits.

    The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

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    You can cut a man's hair. You can take a man's mask. You can force a man to whip it out in front of his grandparents. How do you change a man's ideology? That's what a stable is to me. A group of people who share a similar viewpoint on life and have banded together because of it. You can't force a man to change who he is on the inside.

     

    That's my view on it anyway. I guess they just mean "Has to accompany Barrett to ringside" or "Has to wear the t-shirt every week" or be fired. Those things are tangible to me. "Join Nexus" is not.

     

    It's wrestling. You're thinking waaay too much

    The Official TNA / Impact / GFW Discussion Thread

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    Thing is there is plenty of talent within or even outside TNA that are more deserving of air time then him whatever his potential. If TNA had a dev territory where they could keep him for say 2 years and had the funds to do so then sure, otherwise cut him.

     

    this. totally...this.

     

    they already have too little time to showcase the wrestlers they have. devoting more time to someone who may or may not pay off down the road (and Terry's potential iMO is a giant IF) is silly.

     

    Cut him loose...tell him to go overseas ..work in Japan...and then come back when he's more useful

    The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

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    well, i'm older and i don't really remember him getting a ton of air time/pops as a heel... i sorta remember him in that tweener role. I did watch more back then btw. I know he earned a good portion of his popularity, but i also remember him getting booed extensively a few years ago, after his face turn. I don't think he was pushed down our throats at first, but the fact that he's never left the main event #1 or 2 contender ship when he's not champ seems a little silly to me, even undertaker or HhH or Michaels fall off at times.

     

    Did Hogan leave the top spot when he's was in his prime?

     

    that's what astounds me by the 'internet fan' reaction to John Cena...I don't even really like the 'Super Cena' crap but at least I can see the reasoning:

     

    --when he's done, Cena will leave wrestling as one of the top 5 draws in the history of the industry.

     

    --He's the most popular and most reliable draw in a period where the WWE lost it's other major stars, and in an economic recession.

     

    --He's a nice guy with no personal baggage to worry about, unlike someone like Jeff Hardy or Batista

     

    --He gets booed at times by the smarts in the crowd? Who cares??? That just means he has people who will pay to root for him AND pay to root against him. This 'he needs to turn' stuff is crap...unless you have a monster storyline in place, why turn a character people boo anyway?

     

    It's just insane; it's the typical response where net fans start thinking their own personal opinion is shared by the majority of the WWE audience,when 99.9% of the time,it just isn't.

    The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

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    That's fine, I don't need anyone's approval, believe especially not on the interwebs. I was watching when cena debuted and while he has always been decent on the mic he's never had skills. I think my biggest mistake was expecting everyone to be a super talent in ring... everyone to be dean malenko, or some such person. I guess if you constantly push someone and surround him with super stars during his early career (Orton) then he will eventually get over. All I was trying to say is, I just don't see anyone at the moment in wwe that gives me that "ooh, i hate the guy" feeling. Maybe my opinion of a heel is misplaced these days. One or two people active today that do do that for me are; Bischoff, and Styles. Before you go off saying I am a TNA mark, i'm not, i just like more of their younger guys (originals), not all the imports. Christopher Daniels is one of my all time favs, and I hate what they did with him. As far as I know he's gone for good, but again, I don't have the time to keep up with all the goings on.

     

    Cena was crazy over as a heel, playing the white rapper. If you don't watch the WWE, then sitting there and saying things like "Cena was never over the WWE just pushed him down people's throats" is both misinformed and factually incorrect.

     

    And guess what? The vast majority of the WWE audience just aren't that worried about the inring stuff.

     

    OK i got it, as i said i only watch on occasion and apparently i have missed very good match hes had (joking). I guess I am slightly out of line with cena, i never liked him but i can appreciate what he's done, and you're right. I guess maybe i should look into RoH more. Maybe it's just me, but i didnt like austin either...

     

    It's just you.

    The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

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    I honestly don't thik Orton would be so "over" is wwe didnt tell the fans be like him. Sadly, i think wwe just pushes who they think will be over til people actually like them (can you say Cena?)

     

    This is an asinine statement, doesn't reflect at all how things happened or how Cena got over, and pretty much guarantees that I'll dismiss any future posts form you as the typical internet nerd bullcrap.

     

    So thanks for being so efficient. :)

    The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

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    <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hyde Hill" data-cite="Hyde Hill" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Same here, sorry if that wasn't clear was trying to be quick. Crownsy wasn't aimed at you but more to clear something up. Ah well who cares she's gone and the E does (possibly) employ a double standard. And yeah their "health" system is a joke. Not so much on paper but the pervasive culture in the E. Still not going to argue this as it is endless and we don't have all the info.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> As opposed to that all encompassing health system TNA has, right? <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

    The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

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    If she's not an escort now, then it should not be an issue. Of course there's no evidence yet that she ever was an escort so they're basically canning her because she MIGHT have been, which is absolutely ridiculous.

     

    Anyway at the moment all we know for sure is that she took some risque pictures and, having seen those pictures, they were a lot less risque then what you'd see in Playboy.

     

    I'll concede that the escort thing is a rumor

     

    But if she was, ever, then you're being ridiculous if you think it should not be an issue. Maybe if she worked in the office, making copies.

     

    But if she was an escort and that's an established fact, then it would be asinine to expect a publicly traded entertainment company - marketed specifically as family friendly- to keep a confirmed prostitute as part of it's on-air talent.

     

    It's a really really dumb suggestion.

    The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

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    But WWE has gone there in the past haven't they? Hasn't at least one Diva, Ashely Mazzaro I belive her name is, been a call girl in the past? I'm sure several of Godfather's hos back in the day were hired from there in the past as well.

     

    As for the pictures, Gail Kim posed topless before she came to the WWE so I don't really see why this is an issue. Is there some new policy in the WWE against girls trying to be gainfully employed before they enter the orginisation? Or is it a rule that's always been in effect but only applied to women standing 6'8" tall or higher?

     

    WTF??? Are you serious???

     

    First off, the stuff about Massaro being a call girl came after she'd been released.

     

    Secondly...IF Aloisia was an escort,how do you defend them keeping her? She was a high priced hooker, so now the WWE is supposed to trot her out in front of it's TV audience and just say "oh well she was just keeping herself gainfully employed" (which btw, is the single most laughable euphemism I've ever heard for 'being a hooker')? Really? REALLY??

     

    I swear, some people are willing to slam the WWE no matter what they do, even in an obvious situation like this.

     

    Topless pics? Then I can see the complaint. But if this girl was an escort...there's not a chance in hell that keeping her is the right move.

    The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

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    <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> So again if history tells us anything this "big match" is just that a big match. And with Cena's fragile fan base the way it is the last thing you want him to do is match up against Taker's streak and bring the boo birds out again.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Actually, if it was me, that's EXACTLY what I'd do: keep Cena face, match him against Taker, and then let the naturally split crowd create the heat during the match...sorta like the way the crowd was in Houston for Rock vs Austin at WMX7 (?)..</p><p> </p><p> The way the character is, Cena and Taker in a title vs title match wouldn't need a turn (Cena could talk about the challenge, honoring the fans, all that Tim Tebow crap) so why do it? </p><p> </p><p> Make it about the belts, make it about the streak, let the fans pick their favorite, and watch the crowd go white hot w/o doing much of anything</p>

    The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

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    <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Linsolv" data-cite="Linsolv" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You're right. My comment was silly.<p> </p><p> That said, I made it because the comment I quoted was, to my ears, equally silly. I mean. Not as misguided but it's absurd to think that you need to be on the bleeding edge of culture. If you do, if you absolutely need to be the next best thing at all times? Actually yeah. You're going to get a product that moves and shifts quite frequently, because the cutting edge of pop culture is erratic and confused. That said, if you wanted to be on the cutting edge, it's not hard.</p><p> </p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Linsolv, I never said one couldn't keep up with what's cool. I said it would be hard to write to and specifically MUCH harder than doing a family friendly program</p><p> </p><p> I think ECW was a cutting edge program..but that was also the internet in its infancy.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Besides -- currently trending in the US: #how2ruinsex. Who doesn't want to see that play out?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I sense a return of Mr McMahon tothe TV screen</p>

    The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

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    <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ewanite" data-cite="ewanite" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>A twitter trending topic a few days ago was #abortionclinicplaylistsongs. That is all.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> And how long before Vince Russo tries to run with it?</p>

    The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

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    <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!! Its like I just.....just said that SAME thing <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I said you said it already.</p><p> </p><p> I just wanted to throw out the Eve in a meatdress visual. <img alt=";)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

    The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

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    <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Linsolv" data-cite="Linsolv" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>(Bolded for emphasis)<p> </p><p> Are you kidding? There's no trick to finding out what's cool; Twitter publishes a list of trending tags. Just look at them. They even indicate what is likely to trend in Google searches. That might've been true 10 years ago, or 5, but now if a bunch of writers can't figure out what 18-29 wants, they're inexcusably stupid.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Stennick already responded, but I just wanted to say that this was a pretty silly point. </p><p> </p><p> Sooooo..7 months ago I debut a guys called The Double Rainbow Warrior? And then destroy the character a week later? Should I check Twitter today and then write a segment about Eve wearing a meatdress and then talking about Justin Bieber?</p><p> </p><p> The problems isn't the writers..it's that pop culture moves so quickly it would be impossible to hit the stuff that's cool before it doubles back on itslef and ends up being played out</p>

    The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

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    <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ampulator" data-cite="ampulator" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>That's my point though. I don't think anyone ARGUES those points, if at all. But I'm not exactly sure WWE can rely on being more family-oriented. Of course, it worked for them in the past, but it feelis like a losing strategy for an industry that seems less family-oriented. Not necessarily family-unfriendly (there were NWA promotions that were family-friendly), but they seem to mistake being family-oriented to being family-friendly.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Whether or not its 'family friendly' vs 'family oriented' is a matter of opinion, honestly.</p><p> </p><p> There are some episodes of Raw I watch with my son that I cringe, some that I literally have nothing to argue with content-wise</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Has anyone ever argued their overall numbers have been down? No. At least, not by much. The argument isn't about PG either. It's about losing the young male demographics for me. If they continue to make a less young-male friendly product, it will hurt them. Not now, not in a year. but in a couple of years, it will likely do so.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'd say that it is MUCH easier to cater to the family entertainment crowd then to try to keep the increasingly fickle young male audience happy. By the time the writing team picked up on one popular trend to write to, a dozen more would've come and gone. </p><p> </p><p> Plus, then you really are competing directly with UFC and the WWE would lose that fight.</p>

    The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

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    <p>To what Hyde said: </p><p> </p><p>

    Market share is down.</p><p> </p><p>

    Popularity is down.</p><p> </p><p>

    I think both are true and it would be hard to argue otherwise.</p><p> </p><p>

    But that's also why they changed their business model. Honestly, i feel like if you were to ask the people in charge there and they gave you a straight answer, they'd tell you that they went after a softer, safer, less volatile market because doing the wrestling boom & bust is just too damned volatile.</p><p> </p><p>

    Vince McMahon came damn close to losing everything and he's spent every day since then making sure it could never happen again.</p>

    The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

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    <p>Over the last FIVE years, I don't think the E has lost anything except their PPV numbers are down across the board (and who knows how much of that is popularity and how much is economy)</p><p> </p><p>

    If you want to make the "losing young males" argument, it's much easier to see comparing numbers from 10 years ago to now. But as Stennick said, 10 years is a long stretch of time to make that comparison.</p><p> </p><p>

    If the underlying question is: Is the WWE losing The Young Male Audience? </p><p> </p><p>

    My response would be: Maybe, but do they care?</p><p> </p><p>

    Their profits are solid. Their ratings are steady. They've figured out a way to make money even when their live gates and PPVs are down. The biggest effect is arguably the loss of the "cool" factor, because it's just hard to be considered part of cutting edge mainstream when you're marketing yourself as family friendly entertainment.</p><p> </p><p>

    So yeah..I actually do think they've lost a chunk of the male 18-39 audience. And I definitely feel like that demographic is probably where they lost most of their PPV buys. But I'm not sure it's that important. Because..in the long run...the family values market makes them more money, more reliably, and is far more predictable</p>

    The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

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    <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ampulator" data-cite="ampulator" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I hope that's going to be it. He's overdue 5 years, if not more, for a turn, anyway.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> His merchandise sales and buy rates would say otherwise..</p><p> </p><p> But yeah..with all the rumors around it could be a Raw vs SD title unification, Streak on the Line, Heel Cena vs Face Undertaker...which would be good even without the turn.</p>
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