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people are talking about the lineup looking like this
PG: James
SG: Wade
SF: Miller
PF: Haslem
C: Bosh
I would feel bad for any PG who had to cover Lebron lol or get covered by Lebron.
Fun in the regular season. They'd be eaten alive up front in the playoffs.
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Honestly I don't understand the need for Bosh. He's worth his contract for his offensive production to this point, but his scoring is going to drop significantly next year when he ends up as a #3 option. He's a good but not exceptional rebounder, too skinny to d-up in the post, and actually recorded less blocks (at 6'10) than D-Wade did last season!!! I mean as unfair as it would be, Dwight Howard would make sense as a #3 option in the post, because he gives you power and defensive presence in the middle that Wade and LeBron don't give you. If I were Pat Riley I would much rather have my own Shane Battier, maybe get Tayshaun Prince off the sinking ship that is the Pistons, or bring in a younger guy like Ronnie Brewer to play perimeter D, then get someone who can play the low post to complement Haslem, who is a very good role player. Birdman Andersen would be my top pick but any defensive-minded center would work. And even at a reduced price you could get a Ronnie Brewer and a Center for a lot less than Chris Bosh.
All true. I wonder if Lebron wou;d've gone to Miami if Bosh hadn't though. That might be one of those "hey I wanna go play with my friends" deals.
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I haven't seen Chris Bosh play much as I'm not that in to NBA ball but is he worth the money Miami is paying him?
All kinds of stuff coming out today..
--The Heat have agreed to terms with Udonis Haslem, Mike MIller, and Zydrunas Ilgauskas
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5377012
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5374210
--Orlando signed Q Richardson...which means Matt Barnes and possibly JJ Redick are out
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5374477
--The Chandler deal:
http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nba/news/story?id=5377055
So Diaw and Calderon stay in place. And the Chandler/Heywood combo should be solid.
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This remains the most important. No matter how low their buys if it is more profitable to do ppv then television specials or nothing then from a short term profit standpoint they should keep doing ppv. Even if ppv is more profitable if the margin is not to big then it might be smart to move to more television specials as an aide to growing their fanbase. But this has been covered a lot.
Too bad a certain ref doesn't work in the ppv division or we could have asked maskedpropaganda lolz.
damn..i posted while you were posting this.
totally agree
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I know that the buys are very low or bad in comparison to the E, but I am talking about bad buys for TNA standards. The Slammiversary 7k one for example which was complete bs and I do view as "hate" along with the other stuff I mentioned. And yes agree on the revenue streams and those are improving given that tv rights are their main source of income and they just expanded to the middle east.
If they can't get the buys up around 20 K buys, they'd be better off working out a deal with Spike to do big shows every other month with some kind of bonus deal for the rating and ad revenue that 'special even't would draw.
Two hours on a Thursday night special where they can pay off their major storylines featuring much longer matches.
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I haven't seen Chris Bosh play much as I'm not that in to NBA ball but is he worth the money Miami is paying him?
Based on market value, yeah he's worth it.
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Why not take the MMA talk to the MMA Thread? I don't see why this thread has to be filled with petty arguments not even concerning the topic of the thread itself.
Because...
EDIT: Listen..going back to how this relates to TNA...if the problem with the buy rates is that PPV is a dying medium then UFC wouldn't be growing so fast using PPV as the backbone of it's revenue. Period.
Regardless of your opinion on MMA/UFC as a sport, the two things don't jibe.
TNA probaby doesn't *need* PPV to survive, but if they're going to throw them out there every month they need to do something to help the buys
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Peter we argued a couple of weeks ago about if the Salary Cap and it not being a hard cap is hurting the NBA owners. After hearing that Josh Childress got a 5 year 34.1 million dollar contract, I agree GM/Owners are dumb.
I was reading a ESPN Blog talk about how so many teams are under the cap with not so much talent outside of the top 7 so people are going to get overpaid to fill positions. I can get that, but 7 mill a year to a career backup is crazy.
what kills me is that the mentality is "oh I have all this space..I have to spend it all immediately even if the guy i'm going to spend it on doesn't deserve it"
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I said thats the reason there PPV's do better than wrestling because in wrestling now you can see the same people same matches on TV now and all your big guys are on TV. When was the last time you saw a lesnar fight live on Spike TV or an Oritz fight live on TV
Ohhhh..that's not actually what you said.
This...
Thats a company that only has shows with top guys on PPV which diffrent from pro wrestling..is misleading. If that was your point then it makes sense.
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First off just because you dont want to hear out what im saying dont mean its BS:rolleyes:
MMA has been around for awhile and while its covered on ESPN so is other sport FADS.
Boxing has had its ups and downs like I said and it wasn't hot for 100 years and will probly make a come depending on how long MMA is hot. Time will tell though but I agree with Hyde if you want to continue this PM me or go to the MMA thread.
No, it's crap. I have no desire to continue with you because you can't tell the difference between a 'sport' on an upward trend and a fad ..
you also never responded to the idea that UFC has "top guys on PPV which is different from wrestling" is a completely ass backwards statement.
EDIT: Listen..going back to how this relates to TNA...if the problem with the buy rates is that PPV is a dying medium then UFC wouldn't be growing so fast using PPV as the backbone of it's revenue. Period.
Regardless of your opinion on MMA/UFC as a sport, the two things don't jibe.
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Now back to TNA and screw the rumours about bad ppv buys, low morale, financial trouble etc etc etc. Haters will hate even if they call themselves journalists.
Hyde, the "rumors" of bad buys have been around since the company began doing the montlhy PPV model. And it's pretty believable since they've only ever made the buy rates public once or twice in the history of the company.
It's not "hate"..they just attract a different audience and need to adjust their revenue streams accordingly
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I know UFC has its true fans and it hasn't been ten years this big the last two or three years is when the big MMA boom came and Im a fan my first fight I watched in MMA was a UFC in I think 96? and it was Tank Abbot fight. MMA has people jumping on the bandwagon because right now its "cool" to like MMA/UFC and it will cool down when it gets old like boxing and pro wrestling and will pop back up again like any fighting entertainment or sport.
Yeah..this is pretty much bs.
I mean..the entire post beginning to end makes no real sense and you don't seem to have a solid idea about what your talking about.
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Peter I agree with Lebron taking the sidekick role. I still believe that leaving a city and not winning a championship really hurts your legacy though. Think about guys like Wilt, Oscar, and Shaq, all great players but are never mentioned in the talks of Jordan, Bird, and Magic because they ditched their teams for the chance at a title. I don't think that's bad like I stated before, but it also makes people stray from you when talking about greatest all-time
Agree to disagree. I honestly think Lebron going to NY and winning a title would've actually HELPED his legacy, but it's a minor point
Two notes
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=5375672
Raja Bell close to signing with the Lakers. Makes me wonder how long Sasha stays with the team..
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5376884
TWolves trading Al Jefferson to the Jazz. Great pick up for Utah if Jefferson is back to 100%.
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Thats a company that only has shows with top guys on PPV which diffrent from pro wrestling, and UFC and MMA is the fad now so they will drop soon
that's the same broken assumption everyone in wrestling makes. The UFC will eventually level off..but i don't see why they would drop. EDIT: I also don't see how it is "different from wrestling" when wrestling PPVs are sepcifically designed so that ALL the top guys show up for the most part, whereas in UFC/MMA you are more often than nnot going to see *maybe* one top name depending on their fight schedule.
Brock Lesnar probably won't be on a PPV for another 4-5 months and yet the UFC shows in between now and then will STILL do better than TNA, the WWE, and most boxing shows.
TNA has fortunately enough structured themselves so that they don't depend heavily on PPV buys. So they aren't suffering as much as the WWE would with their awful buy rates.
Hopefully, once the ratings get up a little, they can go to more of a "Clash of the Champions model" and hold PPVs every other month or something.
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I don't see how James isn't the guy in Miami. I know the media has gone the other way with this since it's been Wade's team, but if there is anything Miami fans have been bashed for since getting James is their lack of loyalty and dedication to actually following the team. James had more points, rebounds, assists, better shooting percentage, better free throw percentage...physically he's bigger, stronger, younger...I don't know. It seems like we are all just conceding that James and Wade are about the same player and since Wade has lived in Florida longer, James is now Scottie Pippen.
The fact that Wade has been in Miami since he was drafted and he's ALREADY won a title there means that Miami is "his team."
At this time it's a matter of public perception. As they play games and we see who's the focal point of the team and who takes the shots in crunch time, things could change. But right now..
Lebron James signed on to Dwyane Wade's team.
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I honestly don't think that it's because he 'left' so much as he left to go play second banana on Wade's teams.
Cleveland fans would've been angry either way, but if Lebron signed with Chicago or NY, I doubt he would've received as much backlash on a basketball level. Because at least on those teams, he's still "the guy."
If those teams, he still would've had the Jordan, Bird, Magic role...now he comes across as Pippen, McHale, Worthy..still great HOF players, but a step below.
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The Dino's trade confuses me... so Hedo and Jose go where? O - and I am pretty positive Childress isn't a point guard. I think he is a versatile forward can play some guard but I think small forward is his natural position. Could be wrong course.
Well heod goes to Phoenix..i doubt Jose is going to lose his spot to Barbosa.
Yeah, Childress' natural position is more small forward although he's played shooting guard as well. But in no way is he a point and shouldn't even be considered there even as a backup.Yeah you guys are both right. brain fart. My bad.
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I actually like both moves. If Hedo has anything left in the tank, he's a perfect fit in that system. And Childress gives them a young point guard to possibly replace Nash.
They moved Barbosa to Toronto, and more intestingly, the Raptors also moved to aquire Boris Diaw. ( A Suns reunion i guess)
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Bill Simmons' most recent column on espn.com featuring letters from fans reacting to te "LeBacle"
Lots of emotional responses.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/100709
Two that caught my eye:Name: Frank
I'm trying to figure out where I've had a feeling like this before. Then I remembered: This reminds me of Hulk Hogan at the moment he drops the big boot on the Macho Man Randy Savage to team with the Outsiders (Scott Hall and Kevin Nash) and essentially form the nWo. These are the only two times when I have said to myself "No! Why are you doing this! Evil! Evil! EVILLLL!"
City: Chicago
Because we here on the boards made the same nWo connection and
Name: Matt
You know what made me laugh just now? Joe Johnson came away with the biggest contract of the 2010 Free Agency Frenzy.
City: Redmond, Wash.
Because that's pretty LOL
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I guess I'm not sure what you mean by "talented." He is definitely a physical freak and he can do a lot of things, but I definitely don't see him as the most talented player in NBA history. I mean he's bigger than Jordan and is a better passer, but Jordan was statistically a significantly better scorer (better average, better percentage, better free throw shooter) and was an underrated defender who got a lot more steals than LeBron does.
Agree with that entire post, but just wanted to point out that a guy who won Defensive Player of the Year and was first team all defense 9 times can't really be called "underrated"
Fans nowadays are just too quick to make the MJ comparison w/o really understanding how good he was. Lebron isn't in his league. Neither is Kobe really.
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This is true, but those five guys also have one thing that will set them apart from Lebron. They did it with one team. Lebron could now win 4 to 5 titles, but to me it would be hard to put him ahead of any of thoses guys because they stuck through the good and bad times of their teams.
I think the 'one team' things is incredibly outdated and unrealistic.
I mean..for every legendary player that stayed with one team their whole career, you can name just as many that moved around. Does Kareem's or Wilt's legacy suffer because they changed teams during their career?
I think the part of this that will affect Lebron down the road is that any titles he might get with the Heat will be 'tainted' because he's not THE GUY on the team, in the same way that Kobe heard how the three titles with Shaq didn't really count as much because he was the #2.
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I'm still up in the air whether or not that the West situation is even real. The only two people I've heard back it up is Calvin Murphy (who nobody should have any reason to believe) and Colin Cowherd (who is a supreme blowhard) so I'm on the fence. There was definitely turmoil surrounding Mike Brown and his bad coaching decisions though.
Fair enough. But in either case that was not a team that was where it needed to be at mentally to compete with that Boston team.
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Lebron is a good player but not all that he is hyped out to be, I mean the media keeps saying he's a future legend and blah blah blah. I'm still waiting for him to come through in the play off and before this guy even is in the szme breath a Jordan win three titles and if he done win one with Mami he dont have his little excuse of not having a team around him. Truth is James chokes in the playoffs and quites when he feels the game is over watch game 2 5 7 of the series agianst Bosten he QUITE plan and simple until he can prove himself to me he's not in my top ten.
Oh well if he's not in YOUR top 10...
Watch the series against teh Pistons again where he single handedly carried them to a win that put the Cavs in the Finals against a vastly superior team.
And although it's not brought up on the mainstream press, the cavs were going through some major locker room turmoil with the whole Delonte Weest thing and he was hurt.
Lebron isn't the Second Coming...but there's no way in hell there are 10 better players than him in the NBA right now.
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Wonderful debate in here. too much to go into so I'll just recap my thoughts:
-Lebron made an odd choice. He basically took the easy way out.
Staying with Cleveland would've showed loyalty. NY would've been the 'marketing first' move. And (until/unless I'm blown away by who the Heat add) i still thin the Bulls would've been the best choice from a basketball standpoint.
But that would've required Lebron to be THE GUY and maybe he realizes that's not in his DNA. Last night he said that he was happy because he would be on a team where he wouldn't have 'the pressure of having to score 30' (I'm paraphrasing). Well...i get what he's saying..but that's just not something that guys like West, Bird, Jordan, Jobe..hell, even Wade...would say. they LOVE that pressure.
Lebron doesn't have to be THE GUY and he can still win rings in Miami. He'll be the greatest second banana since Pippen in his prime.
-I think the way he did is was ridiculous.
-Dn Gilbert is an idiot and his comments made him look classless and petulant. He should've just congratulated him and then turned around and told the fans he would do everything possible so that the Cavs would see Lebron and Co in the playoffs.
Official NBA Discussion Thread
in The Dog Pound
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Sure...
First off, you have to realize that no matter where he went, Cleveland would've been hurt. So you just have to concede that hit to his image.
But if he went to New York..
Right off the bat, in NY he's THE MAN as opposed to the perception in Miami that he's going to end up as Wade's sidekick. He would be THE big star.
Secondly, New York is one of (if not the biggest) media centers in the world. He would've elevated his profile simply by being in NY: the Knicks on national TV would draw huge ratings, he would've had even more commercial and merchandise opportunities, he would've made basketball trendy and hip in NY to the point where there would've been more celebrities in the crowds there than in the crowds in LA, Letterman would've been talking about him every week on the Late Show..all 4 major networks are based in NY...there's just no way to measure how much bigger Lebron would've been as a marketing tool had he signed in NY.
Finally, New York historically is incredibly significant to people who care about basketball. Even if you aren't talking about the Knicks specifically (they haven't been significant since the Willis Reed/Walt Frazier days), NY has been one of the centers of the basketball universe since before the NBA existed: Lew Alcindor played HS ball in Manhattan. Bob Cousy, Queens. Billy Cunningham, Connie Hawkins, Lenny Wilkens, Bernard King—all from Brooklyn. The kings of the Bronx; Dolph Schayes, Richie Guerin and Tiny Archibald.
We're talking about streetball legends like Earl "The Goat" Manigault, Rick "Pee Wee" Kirkland, Joe "The Destroyer" Hammond.
Throw in playground battles at Rucker Park and the social significance of the Harlem Globetrotters.
And those late 60s/early 70s Knicks were dominating: 2 titles in three Finals runs in 4 years. Seven Knicks players from this championship are in the Hall of Fame.
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So yeah...if Lebron goes to the media center of the world, is the centerpiece of a team that wins one or two titles, play in a city steeped in basketball tradition, front of fans that are STARVING to give them a reason to fall in love with a sport that their fathers and grandfathers came up watching...it'd be HUGE.
He'd be the Jeter of the New York Knicks..a living legend.