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Won't quote you to avoid the spoiler, but I agree with everything you said there.
It's a bad risk imo. If they play it worn - like what the E did to Orton when he broke off from Evolution - they are going to absolutely kill one of the hottest acts they have.
If they play it right..just not that much to gain. Especially since they need some top tier heels.
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**waits for cappyboy's next Ken Anderson tirade**
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For the record, I always took that as a slant on his gimmick, and not as much the core of it. But I can see where I might have been mistaken. Or probably was.
No. You're right. But that's why it's well done.
He's not playing the ridiculous fur coat wearing, purple suit having, giant hat with a feather in it pimp from a 70s blaxploitation film.
He's paying a pimp. A hustler. But more like the kind of guy you'd see outside a really nice club in Manhattan. Or in the lobby of the hotel where the visiting sports team is staying.
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On the other hand, (successful) faces tend to have more "unique" gimmicks that still tend to be simple and easy to digest.
I have no idea how MVP's character is any simpler than Cena's "never gonna give up/goody two shoes" deal.
Not a critique of Cena. Just a statement about the way characters in the E are written.
Truth -- whose look I love, by the way, I'd love to seem him repackaged with a more subtle character -- seems to be an exception.He looks like he came from the year 1994. Seriously..it's like watching Coolio wrestle. if he did his braids flat to his head or grew them out Weezy style I'd be all about it...(Because he's fun in the ring and has a really decent moveset) but he looks goofy like that. .
All I know is Pope is pimpin and has a bigger upside then all these guys lolz. Too bad he is legit injured now and the writing for him has been haphazard. And yeah Monty also had "it" so to speak but he is kinda old now to be pushed bottom to top in the E. Only place he could Main Event or Upper Midcard would be if he returns to TNA.Too right on both counts. Burke would've been the biggest star the E could make. I honesltly think they knew that he was at his best as Black pope and didn't have the guts to run that character out in their PG world.
Generally they adopt generic babyface gimmick #1, never back down, love the fans, no actual personality (and lose whatever they had when they were a heel).This. "Goody two shoes" is a stereotype.
Pope is a good example of not being a stereotype. He does have a character (even though Shape's sorta right. I could go through the list of everyone I can think of in the E and differentiate their personalities, but the broad strokes tend to be pretty similar) and he got over with the fans with a gimmick that was simple and direct but also disregarded his race.A street hustler from 'the hood' who wears lots of 'bling' and talks about 'pimpin ho's'? Not a stereotype? Do you know any black people? You might want to run that by them and see if it has any racial overtones.
again..love the character though because it's done well.
But if you don't see how that's a stereotype or think it disregards his race I would strongly disagree.
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My point is, he doesn't have any notable traits that aren't a stereotype, except that he's a wrestler which doesn't really count in my book.
Honestly, I can't agree with you.
You could argue that most of the guys on the roster are playing 'stereotypes' of some sort; that kind of simple character is necessary. it's a shortcut for telling stories....99% of that roster has very little depth to their character.
And - again - at least it was a stereotypical character that the E got right. It's authentic.
I don't care that The Truth is playing a rapper. that doesn't bug me. It bugs me that he's wearing a hairstyle and doing dance moves that are like 15 years out of style...he looks like he stepped out of a video form the new jack swing era.
And I don't understand how talking about his real-life past is a stereotype. That's what really happened to him. The fact that it's such a positive end is awesome. Most kids who end up in jail by 16 spend the rest of their lives in the system. He's not. Good for him.
In the end, Self is probably right and his time passed him by. But MVP was/is a GREAT character (with a ****ty finisher- The Playmaker) that wasn't given the push he deserved.
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I know, this happened like forever ago, but I hate MVP. First, his finisher is completely unconvincing, and leaves me wondering why doing a "ballin" motion should make a relatively standard elbow SO devastating. And also why the other person doesn't recover during the million years it takes for MVP to run around like a retard and then throw an imaginary ball. At least when Cena does it, it's clearly separated into "taunt, then finisher."
WTF? People's Elbow...?
Secondly, he's pretty much only a bunch of black stereotypes. His only marketable traits are that he likes basketball and that he was in prison? Really? That'd be like if you brought over someone from NJPW and gave them the gimmick that they were only good at math, and couldn't please a woman in bed.Don't take this the wrong way..but you sound like you might be a wee bit out of touch with pop culture here. Kind of dorky, actually.
He's playing off the archetype of today's athlete. He's got the bodysuit which is supposed to be like the Under Aarmour/Nike work out gear. He use to rock the eye black and the doo rag and the breath-right strip. He came out under the inflatable entranceway like in football. Did a big dance at the top of the ramp..had gold..an agent...talked about being a high priced free agent.
Also..he doesn't "like basketball"..he's mimmicking the "ballin" move that got red-hot because of the Jim Jones song of the same name that came out a few years ago. That song was all over the goddamned place and blew up so big that pro athletes started doing the move.
Here's the NY Giants during their Super Bowl year:
He was like the WWE's spin on Ray Lewis. Not only was it a cool gimmick, but it was original and current. First time in a long time where the E booked a believable ethnic character.
(and going to jail at 16 is a marketable trait if you can show that he turned his life around, changed his ways, and made something of himself. which he has.)
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Depending on what part of Spain their ancestors came from that would be true. Same goes for the Italians, basically the Northern parts of Spain and Italy were not touched by the Moors therefore the people of those regions have lighter skin color.
Cmon now...how many hispanics in America are from a part of the world where their ancestors are purely Spanish? None in my family, that's for damn sure..
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No.
For hispanics, you're suppossed to select White (or possibly Black, I know a few) now, along with answering a seperate question of if you're Hispanic, and from what nationality is your Hispanicness.
Like Italians and the Irish before them, Hispanic people are now considered White by the USA.
There's actually some anthropological basis for this (a bit outdated but it's there), I just can't believe they'd do that because of the inherent inaccuracy that will create. Weird.
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I have a copy of the form...
White
Black, African American, Negro
American Indian or Alaskan Native
Asian Indian
Chinese
Filipino
Japanese
Korean
Vietnamese
Native Hawaiian
Guamanian or Chamorro
Samoan
Other Asian
Other Pacific Islander
Some other race
Twas editted!
Wait..so all hispanics are "other" ? That seems like a bad way to measure such a growing segment of the population.
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Bobby Lashley was going to be the guy for years to come in WWE. He had to turn into a Brock Lesnar and think he was better than wrestling though. He was getting such a big push back in the day. Anytime you get an opportunity to feud with McMahon like Austin did, you should cherish and make the best of it. Lashley has no idea how big he could have been. I wanted him to win MITB back at WM22 when RVD won it... I was marking out hard for him back then.
He was crap on the mic though. And he had the girl voice. Eventually it would've caught up to him.
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I think Ezekiel Jackson could be a Bob Sapp-ish main event monster. I mean, he even kind of looks like Sapp. If he was nearly as charismatic he'd be a slam dunk main eventer. God as much as it hurt WWE to lost Lesnar how much money could a guy like Sapp have made them? The guy was the total package.
Christ..forgot Zeke. Yeah..he's got monster heel push written all over him
If we're really dreaming..maybe Monty Brown comes back to the business for the E and gets the run he deserved in TNA.
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Given the choices, I think Kofi is the best potential black star the WWE has on their hands. That said, they've tried to push him recently and I believe nerves got the best of him... but probably nothing time and experience can't fix. But the fact is... I don't particularly like most of the black wrestlers in the WWE today. Some of them aren't bad midcarders, but other than Kofi none of them strike me as incredibly likely stars. Maybe Killings or even JTG with better gimmicks. Of course, I think JTG is too small and is just short on talent to make up for it. And then there's MVP... career midcarder, I'm saying it now. Even if he ditched the super lame catchphrase and horrid ring-gear, he's still just a guy whose pretty good at alot of stuff, but not great enough at anything.
Oh, and none of the NXT guys strike me as super awesome either, but I guess they haven't been around long enough to make any accurate judgements.
But hey, at least Kofi rocks!
I like MVP because ..if you're going to build a star..he's got the most relatable and realistic gimmick and his real life backstory makes him marketable as a role model. For the kids.
Het him a new finisher and an Under Armour sponsorship and he's set!
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Also..according to his various bios...Kofi was born in Ghana and then moved to the US when he was 2 or 3.
Which means at the very least he's got to have some kind of legit citizenship status in the US to be working here.
I'd say he's the very definition of the term African-American.
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If anything, it's a marketing tool.
The WWE (and wrestling in general) has to fight this stigma as being entertainment for rednecks and yokels. If you're going to appeal to a wider audience, it pays to have performers who come from a wider variety of backgrounds.
It's why SD had so many hispanic wrestlers on UPN (which skewed to much larger hispanic and black audience). It's why the E has explored bringing in stars from Mexico.
It makes sense. However, I'm sincerely hoping Killings isn't the big star they're going to push..it'd be much nicer to see them use someone that wasn't such an obvious stereotype with such an obvious stereotype look.
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I've kind of lost interest in the playoffs being that the 2nd round was a complete joke. Perhaps this series will peak my interest again now that it is tied back up.
This series. And I think the Magic will win tomorrow. So both series will interesting leading into Lakers v Celtics XI: This Time It's For Blood.
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I am ready for a change of subject I think.
I really like the Jets this year. I know they are an easy prediction to make a huge jump in the standings but with that defense and that offensive line they are going to be hard to beat.
If the personalities on that team don't tear them apart, and they get the same kind of performance out the OLine, I think they win the division.
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I stick by that, where a player is from has a lot of influence. Think about it, A football player from Wyoming is the top rated player in his state. Now there is a kid in Florida who is just as talented but is considered the 50th best player in his state.
So do you take the Wyoming guy or the Florida guy? FLORIDA because he played with top talent. lol but that's me nitpicking
It's - in all honesty - a completely ridiculous argument as it relates to comparing two professional sports conferences.
Kobe Bryant played HS ball in Philly. So based on your argument do I count him when I talk about the 76ers? Philly basketball? wtf? That makes no sense. How do you not see that?
If you are comparing teams from different conferences, you evaluate the player on those rosters. Period.
With your argument I believe there is a difference in being successful and being able to coach. Norv Tuner is a great coach, not to successful. Same with Marty, won countless games but couldn't win the big one. Does that make them bad coaches? To me (like I said from the begining) there is a difference between it being hard to coach (cause let's face it, your style of coaching never changes from NCAA to NFL) to being successful.When you handle kids most of your life then go to pros and have to handle grown men, it's more difficult. Jimmie Johnson with the Cowboys drafted a bunch of college players he coached against or they played for him. He was successful with this as he was still dealing with premature adults.
Coaching skills don't disappear when someone goes to the next level. Success might, but not coaching. This is why I believe it's harder to be a success, not a coach.
No. Sorry. It's semantics. I don't see it.
What's the purpose of being in a position like head coach in pro sports? To win games. To succeed.
If you're not going to succeed then why are you coaching? Does a professional sports franchise hire a coach to be mediocre.
"Oh yeah ..don't worry about the wins and losses...we'll keep you around for years because you're so great at setting up 3-on-3 passing drills and patting guys on the ass"
Being a successful head coach and being a head coach is the same thing. Nobody hires a coach to not succeed so it's pointless to try to split hairs in this instance.
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Amazing game tonight. Even as a Lakers fan that was fun to watch..
This is EXACTLY how the Suns wanted to see the games play out. The Lakers had better control the pace, work harder to get entry passes inside to Gasol and Odom, and start playing some defense or else they are going to lose this thing.
Also, for a team that was supposed to have learned to be tougher last year, it's disturbing how they are getting physically overmatched by a finesse Suns team. Artest hasn't even knocked anyone down.
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I've always found the way to win a debate it so spit jibberish so that my opponent is confused and while he's dazed I sneak in another post claiming vicotry and then say something like "Bryan Daniels sucks" and slip out. Thats equal to dropping a grenade behind you as you jump outta the building. Your gonna blow your opponent up and start a firestorm behind you
I like that theory. It'd be especially chaotic in a non-wrestling thread.
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Kind of like Tough Enough and the Diva Searches. Sometimes they added a few people from the shows that didn't win.
BTW, have any of you found out the reason Kofi Kingston and R-Truth are now champs?
I haven't heard anything specific.
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That's the conclusion I get since everyone complains nearly about the same thing (which includes me) but can't really agree on what should be done (which is why WWE does what they want anyway when it comes to regards to our needs. They don't necessarily see if we have any unified vision, which means there isn't much to cater to).
Ummmm...what?
The WWE doesn't do or care about what the net fans want because they make up a small fraction of the overall viewing audience. Wrestling nerds watch regardless so they cater to the mainstream because that's what drives revenue.
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It's amazing you have respect for opinion when you quite literally say you don't.
Second we give you facts you just don't care enough and only beat your facts to death (even when people give you more than two facts).
But since you are the all mighty ruler and most knowledgeable about anything and everything to sports, I assume we all must pander to your wishes. (more of to save our own insanity)
CaioTo be fair..in reading enough of lazorbeak's posts I can see where he can come across as being rude.
But Gator..you are extremely frustrating to debate with. You flip around and attach value to tiny niggling little points that have nothing to do with the over-all topic. ( I mean..really? you needed me to clarify that "harder to coach" and "harder to have success as a coach" were basically the same thing as it related to what we were talking about? REALLY??)
Also...if this is lingering animosity from that basketball thread, let it go. lazorbeak won that argument. I read it...you weren't making any sense. You actually said at one point the Eastern conference was beter because more players are born in the east. It was crazy talk.
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Carlito was found unfit to perform due to painkillers. He refused to get help which WWE pays for and was fired for it. He can return once he gets clean.
That's been discussed. I believe he meant an on-screen reason.
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I look at college OT more like the NHL shootout - it goes until there's a winner, no ties. That's a problem I had with the NFL OT because even though it maybe only happened once a year... there's always a chance for a tie. And there shouldn't be any ties in the game of football.
This I agree with.
Caio
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