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    The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

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    No, having a bad loss to R Truth is being pushed back down the card. At least as far as I'm concerned. That wasn't like a "well maybe if he hadn't cheated" loss, or a "it was close" loss, he went down like a sack of potatoes. He also got shafted by Truth taking so long to pin him. Lol @ hanging out with ass in the air.

     

    He lost clean to someone who the WWE has been pushing up the card for months now...witness Truth's porgrams on SD with Punk and Jericho and his clean win over Dibiase at the PPV.

     

    Bret vacating, I have to assume, was because he's leaving now.

     

    Or maybe because he got the GM job

     

    This.

     

    Wait a few weeks, then decide if he's been pushed down the card.

    Official NFL Discussion Thread

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    I think the rule changes between the two games make it really interesting. College OT is awesome and nobody can deny that. It also makes it so that when players come into the NFL they have to adapt completely and that includes rule changes. I think college football is made to be more "fun" if that makes any sense. It has more leeway than the NFL does and that's why you see so many coaches staying in the college ranks instead of moving to the NFL teams.

     

    Besides Pete Carroll who is going into a perfect situation - an entire new staff including GM makes a completely fresh start. That doesn't happen often.

     

    College OT is a joke. I like watching football - with defense - not some cartoony NFL Blitz amalgamation of football.

     

    And the idea that college football coaches stay because it's more "fun" is asinine. They stay because it's easier. The gameplanning is simpler. There are limits on practice time.

     

    If you can recruit better and are at a bigger and/or better school you are going to beat your opponent 9 times out 10 based on talent alone. That's why guys like Bobby Petrino and Nick Saban and Steve Spurrier run away crying ...you can't just line up your guys and hope your best 11 beats their best 11.

     

    Carroll is going to be a bust. He wasn't an X's and O's guy at USC. That rah rah crap doesn't play with grown men. And he addressed his biggest weakness - offense - by bringing in a guy who wasn't much of a success at the NCAA level instead of hiring an NFL guy. It'll be embarasing within three seasons.

    The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

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    Seriously? So losing matches = being pushed down the card?

     

    Even though he's spent the past few months working programs with Bret Hart, Big Show and Chris Jericho? And has been featured on TV 2-3 times a week?

     

    I thought the people on this board were smarter than that.

     

    When your main event scene on Raw is Edge, Cena, Orton, Sheamus and Triple H when he returns..what was Miz's next step?

     

    If the Miz keeps losing or disappears off TV entirely like Morrison, then you can say he's been pushed down the card or the company has lost confidence in him. But for all we know, he's going to have a running rivalry with Bret..or fued with Killings over the US title..or maybe even have a three way feud with Killings and Morrison...etc.

    Official NBA Discussion Thread

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    I guess we will see who the best conf. is here in about 2 weeks

     

     

    Having just readthrough this debate, I just wanted to say that you're wrong and lazorbeak is right.

     

    Also...you can't say that any kind of Finals match up proves who's the better conference; it just proves who's the better team is in that particular match up.

     

    I'd be like saying "oh well USC beat Florida in some bowl game, that proves the Pac 10 is better than the SEC"

     

    It's bad logic.

    The Official TNA / Impact / GFW Discussion Thread

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    Also even in a :rolleyes: hypothetical how does outnumbering women 2:1 mean women are fighting over men? Are you not familiar with the concept of dragging your girlfriend to a sporting event? This may shock you but just over 50% of the population is female. Surprisingly, this doesn't result in men fighting women off at the grocery store.

     

    Hyperbole.

     

    My point still stands..if you could go to an event where half the audience was female, that event would be quite a draw for men looking to meet women

     

    Also...the fact that 50% of the population being female does not directly correlate to 50% of the crowd being female at many other events, such as football, baseball, boxing, etc.

    The Official TNA / Impact / GFW Discussion Thread

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    Actually, anecdotal evidence is better than you think... but Jim Cornette wasn't on hyperbole when he said this. You can tell. He goes into that "mode" and screams, and rants... not when he said this.

     

    :rolleyes:

     

    A bunch of good looking guys fighting off some ring rats back in the 80s does not prove that anything near 40% of the wrestling audience is/was/or ever will be female.

     

    I like Jim too. But 30 years of marketing research, Nielsen ratings, advertising dollars, ticket sales, PPV buys, and merchandise sales all say he's wrong.

     

    Think about it...the E gets around 3 million viewers a week. So if even close to that portion of the audience of the female, there'd be over 1 million women watching RAW each week. You don't think some advertisers or sponsors would've noticed by now? The shows on Lifetime barely draw that kind of audience.

     

    Half of RAW's commercials would be stuff like Proactiv or Maybelline.

     

    I believe the female portion of the audience is growing..but jesus christ...:rolleyes:

    The Official TNA / Impact / GFW Discussion Thread

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    Actually, you aren't wrong, but not exactly correct. Jim Cornette once said there used to be even MORE women watching wrestling. He and the Midnight Express once had to run away from females fans because they had "beat up" Ricky Morton.

     

    He claims they left mostly because the product became male-dominated and overly sexualized during the early 90's up to the late 90's.

     

    If I think about it, he's not wrong. I mean, guys like Ric Flair and Ricky Steamboat used to have tons of female fans. Even Dusty Rhodes did, despite his, well, size. Hell some women like TJ Magnum's moustache look, I heard.

     

    Hell, even during the Attitude Era, Val Venis was a sex symbol that was also a sexist symbol. But he had a LOT of female fans despite what he represented.

     

    So based on some anecdotal evidence from one promoter/manager with a penchant for hyperbole...we're gonna go ahead and throw out 30 plus years of marketing research and Nielsen ratings?

     

    Hey..and we can also ignore all previous hard information based on the membership figures of an internet message board like the WWE universe (because we know how infallible the intrawebs can be) ...

     

    :rolleyes:

     

    C'mon people..get it together. The business might be shifting as far as who it's marketed to and who is paying money for the product (especially with the E marketing itself as family entertainment) but do you guys honestly believe that the figure is anywhere near 40%? Really? REALLY???

    The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

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    No no no. Think of how many employees, and worldwide expenses. This is what I'm talking about, as far as yearly salaries go. if they all made 100k, and had 100 employees, that's 1 million there. I know they make tons, but, running a company is extremely costly.

     

    A) you post seemed to be more about the in-ring talent than the other employees. My mstake.

     

    B) your statement 'Unless they get millions in kick backs for programming, and whatnot' seemed a bit redundant because the WWE does - in fact - get millions back for their programming.

     

    C)Finally, if they had 100 employees making 100 k that would be 10 million.

     

    Their revenue for the first quarter of this year alone was just under 140 million. I'm not saying they pay "everyone" 100 k a year, but people should stop acting like those are ridiculous amounts for a company the WWE's size.

    The Official TNA / Impact / GFW Discussion Thread

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    I think Abyss is suffering from you have to like this guy backlash if you know what I mean.

     

    That's part of it. The other part is that this whole storyline is just frickin lame.

     

    Abyss has always been at his most enjoyable as an out of control monster. Why the writing team think fans would prefer him as some mewling, suck up, slow witted, Hogan fan boy is beyond me.

     

    I'm almost certain we're only a few more PPvs away from Abyss losing the mask and going full blown Hulkamaniac with yellow shirt and red bandana. Smell the ratings!

    The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

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    I can't agree here. I guess it comes down to perspective. I made more than 100k well before my 30th birthday, all told (salary + commission + bonuses). I guess it depends on where you live also. 100k is not a lot in New York City but I imagine it would be a fortune in like Arkansas.

     

    I would be shocked if every in-ring talent (not including the NXT rookies besides Danielson) were making less than 50. Given their schedule, less than that could probably qualify as slave labor. :p

     

     

    I'm a mid level sales rep at my company. After commission and quarterly bonuses, there's not a single sales rep in this segment making less than 100 K.

     

    It's totally a matter of perspective. And your industry.

     

    If someone is a recognizable and/or known figure in the entertainment industry and they aren't making 6 figures (before taxes) they should go ahead and shoot themselves.

    The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

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    i hate the miz reality tv show reject

     

    How is he a reality TV show reject? If he wasn’t a wrestler he would most likely still be doing the reality show thing.

     

    Actually...he's arguably the most successful reality show contestant ever.

     

    Love the Miz. And personally, he's always seemed like a good guy..just kind of a harmless frat ball meathead.

     

    And when (if) you watched those RW/RR challenge things, all he EVER talked about was how much he loved wrestling and how becoming a wrestling star was his biggest dream since he was a kid.

     

    I mean...yeah that reality thing helped him get noticed and all..but this isn't some male model or failed actor or washed up football player using wrestling as his fall back plan.

     

    This is a young guy who worked his ass off once he got a shot to do the one thing he always wanted to do: and it's wrestling. Good for him.

    The Official TNA / Impact / GFW Discussion Thread

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    Read it on 411wrestling.com who credits PWInsider

     

    In its first show back on Thursdays, last night's Impact scored a 0.93 rating with 1,275,000 viewers.

     

     

    So not a 1.0 or better but well over a million viewers.

     

    Still a bad sign. They spent millions of dollars, did tons of promotion, brought in every major star they could sign, and then got their asses handed to them on Monday...only to come back to score right around what they were doing BEFORE Hogan and Co showed up

     

    Unless TNA can get up to the high 1's low 2's in the next few months, this whole experiment has been an abject failure. They could've just stayed on the same track and achieved more over the long term.

    The Official TNA / Impact / GFW Discussion Thread

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    Didn't they just do something similar with Chelsea where she "lied" to Pope? How many times can they do the female valet sets-up the face routine?

     

    The backstage interview bits with the more rough handheld camera feel are different, and in a good way.

     

    If the three way is solid then this is a decent episode. If its ruined by bad booking, then not so much.

    Official NFL Discussion Thread

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    I'm sure its in their contracts that they can hold out by how exactly can they get away with not playing with the contract they signed. If they agree to a contract for such and such amount for x amount of years why shouldn't they have to honor that contract? I would say that would be the balancing act of overpaying guys like Russell and finding gems at the same time like Johnson. Does he deserve to be paid more base on performance of course but if I'm at a job and I know they give raises once every two or three years and I still agree to work for minimum wage and I sign a contract saying that I will do that why shouldn't you be hold to that contract?

     

    Maybe its something along the lines of they'll just sit at home for a year while their contract runs out but how can that be legal. You're being paid to play football you signed a contract saying you would play for this amount of money so how can you get away with NOT playing for that money?

     

    A) They don't hold out into the season. If they do they lose game checks.

     

    B) In football, the contracts aren't guaranteed. They can be cut at any time with varying financial risk to the team they play for.

     

    If you signed a contract at a job, they couldn't fire you after year one without owing you the full amount of the remaining contract. Football teams can.

     

    You job also doesn't involve the physical risk that football does. Your job doesn't have an average lifespan just under three years (i assume)

     

    If CJ gets his knee blown out next year while playing for just above league minimum, he's f***ed. That's why these guys go out and try to make as much guaranteed money as fast as they can because they have tiny shelf lives and whatever money they make they are trying to set them and their families up for life.

     

    It's ridiculous for the Titans to be doing this. It's sports. They need to pay Chris Johnson market value. Period.

    The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

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    I do not trust either one as always the "truth" is in the middle imho. Read both Controversy and Death of WCW and think the truth is in the middle. Tried finding another source on how Ross was treated by WCW but could not find one, so if anyone knows one I would love to have it.

     

    Really? REALLY? While I know Death of WCW was very markish at times, there are lots and lots of hard numbers in there.

     

    And there's has never been any situation at any time where Eric has accepted any blame, so it's very hard for me to accept ANYTHING he says.

     

    It's literally impossible to think that there was any decision that WCW made where he had no say whatsoever; and definitely not the ones that just so happened to go in the tank.

     

    Death of WCW wasn't completely right. But there's no way the truth is 'in the middle.' It's probably more like 70-30 against EB

    The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

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    By whose estimation?

     

    I've seen their numbers and they're still a dog of a stock, with radioactive fleas.

     

    They are. i do think they are smart in that they constantly working to increase profitability and create new revenue sources.

     

     

    Vince doesn't want to make excuses but the fact of the matter is, WWE's "base" was heavily affected by the economic downturn. That's not an excuse, it's facing facts. While yes, it's possible to get people to buy what they can't afford (which was partially why we got into this mess in the first place), there shouldn't be the expectation of that occurring (unless you're running a strip....err, sorry "gentleman's" club....or selling narcotics).

     

    Agreed. I think that 'make no excuses' deal is more of rah-rah deal to feed the stockholders.

     

    Personally, I think they need to attack their core audience more effectively. Sign a deal with someone to develop a cartoon (which might give them more content for their supposed network). Do a reality show with the lessons (hopefully) learned from Tough Enough. Maybe something like BET did with Keyshia Cole and Monica or MTV's 'Diary' series.

     

    I'm wondering how their pitch meetings will go for the network though. I know DISH did a survey on whether they should add the Big Ten Network with the almost required "slight" increase in rate. I voted hells no. While making it a premium channel seems a no brainer, most of these networks want to be a part of the first tier basic packages (for more subscriber exposure). That's going to be a seriously hard sell, I think. Not many people are likely to be willing to pay $2 a month more for whatever WWE is peddling.

     

    Content is going to be a must.

     

    And I know I wouldn't pay much more to add a WWE network unless they included tons of classic and PPV replays.

     

    Did not say that was not possibly the case just want the other side of the story and if possible one from a "neutral" perspective, and no Meltzer, Reynolds, Alvarez and Keller do not count in that regard.

     

    Bischoff is - for the most part - a lying piece of crap who's never admitted any personal responsibility for any situation ever. So I'd take the story of all four of those guys loooong before I'd take his word on things.

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