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I don't know that I would be. Maybe it's because of the Monday night era coloring my judgment. But Thursday seems like a bush league time for a flagship show like Impact. I'd much rather blow it off and catch it on Saturday morning given the opportunity. Not even WCW did their mainline show on Thursdays. Thunder was their second string show while the crown jewel, Nitro, was on Mondays. Midweek is JV. Friday to Monday is the varsity period baby.
I'm inclined to think that getting talked into Thursday night for Impact is part of TNA's problem. A smaller part to be sure. But a part nonetheless. If they had their flagship show on the fringes of the week, then yeah. Thursday's fine. But seeing that Impact is their flagship, the midweek slot doesn't do them any favors.
There's honestly no reason to justify that opinion, except personal preference.
Monday is only important in wrestling because WWE had their show on Monday night on USA for years and WCW created Nitro to compete.
But TNA has literally no reason to follow suit, except to appease the people still reminiscing about the MOnday Night Wars.
--They don't film in a large arena so they have no reason to worry about filling the seats in the middle of the week.
--Spike isn't pressuring them to do so.
--They have an established presence and better track record on Thursdays
--They'll have more luck avoiding the NFL
--They clearly arent ready to compete with the E head to head
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Source: Poster from Wrestlingforum.com
I did a little digging at previous going up against the NFL Season opener. Any american can probably fill in if its not fair to compare it for some reason. I just post the numbers.
2007 September 6th = 1.02, down from the previous week 1.05
2008 September 4th = 1.03, down from the previous week 1.05
2009 September 10th = 0.93, down from the previous week 0.96.
Its barely a drop. I can understand if this is a bigger game but I still cant see how it would hurt them THAT much.
Interesting. And the Saints-Vikings will be a HUGE and much hyped game, but not any more so than any other season opener imo
Again...maybe TNA isn't on Spike's list of favorites right now. That's all I've got.
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I think having the title unification match at Wrestlemania could be huge if they build it right. I am already hoping for Cena vs Taker or HHH vs Taker. If this is Takers last WM then I want it to be Cena. If he has one more in him after this one then I want this to be HHH. Maybe he wants to one up HBK and beat Taker too. Something along those lines.
Taker and Trips main eventing a WM is so 6 years ago
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Also note that that quarter hour was the beginning of the Guns match and that it was quarter hour 5 which recently has trended high for TNA and tends to be high/important for all shows seeing as others will have just ended. So I do not see this as a victory for BP yet. If the same segment was put in q2 it would have probably been low again. It is the direction that matters and compared to other quarter hours relative to total rating. The BP just scored an average or maybe little higher rating for that quarter. Could be that the rating started high and went down during the whole segment though.
Quarter hour's really mean very little imho. Too bad minute by minutes don't get published/made public.
*I* agree with you. but if you look at the direction of the KO division ever since the final segment of Impact featuring LVE popped that nice rating, someone in creative thinks that the T&A/Diva route is the right direction to go.
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Not trying to be funny here, but is this a site rule? If not then why should it matter, it is not like we are working for a newspaper.
It's not a site rule. But as someone who has been a columnist for a couple of web sites, it bothers me that someone would copy what's essentially an entire article and post it without mentioning that they didn't write it or got it from another site or at least put a link.
The rating itself is just hard info that can be found anywhere.
Again...not a rule..just good form. That's why i said "should"
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cant u read the name of the site is there.
It a good sign for women wrestling.
A. No it isn't. you cited the site that reported the rating. But that blurb (Congratulation are in order blahblahblah) was originally written by a diva news site and sent out to other wrestling news sites.
B. TBP and that segment has as much to do with "women's wrestling" as the Divas do.
In the long run, it means that TNA will see these ratings and spend more and more time with T&A, bikini contests, cat fights, and members of the KO roster who are more recognizable for their imlpants than their in-ring ability.
Since i don't really care about women's wrestling, it doesn't bother me. But for the TNA fans who really really enjoyed the KOs because of workers like Kong, Sarida, Hamada, and that boring chick with the short hair, they probably won't enjoy it so much
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Yeah but what I do not get why not air it on another day or timeslot? It is still on of Spike's highest rated shows. So why not?
Bad taste in their mouth from the Monday move that didn't go so well?
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Congratulations are in order for Angelina Love and Velvet Sky, as their highly anticipated reunion as The Beautiful People last week scored the highest rated segment on Impact according to ProWrestling.net.
Ang and Vel-Vel, as well as Madison Rayne, all cut extremely strong promos on last week’s show followed be an equally exciting catfight. The move obviously paid off as the segment scored a 1.15 in the quarter hour breakdown.
The next highest quarter was for the main event which did a 1.11.
This is an incredibly good look for the newly reunited original TBP. Even with more line-up changes than Destiny’s Child (okay, maybe not), they are still grabbing ratings three years on. Congrats!
If you're going to quote from another news site, you should probably credit them.
Also, if TBP and the KOs are getting the highest rated segments on Impact, that's not a good sign.
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Plans can always change until then, but in the meantime this sounds like something interesting to say the least.
If they built it up for a few months..announced the unification bout ahead of time, made it seem like guys on each show were vying for the right to win the belt and represent their brand at WM...and then went ahead and gave us Cena vs Taker ..it would be a huge draw.
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RVD couldn't lace Angles boots. If Kurt didn't have some problems in 06/7 I truly believe he'd be at legendary status. The things this guy did with very little training and in such a short time very few have done.Angle = Best ever IMHO.Kurt may or may not be the best ever, but he's definitely in the conversation AFAIC.As far as all around pro wrestling goes Kurt is right up there. Very few men can talk and perform in the ring the way Kurt has.
Shawn Michaels, Ric Flair, Kurt Angle take your pick in my opinion.
Agree with all this. Kurt Angle is my favorite wrestler ever and if he doesn't have his personal issues, he probably cements himself as an all time WWE great by now.
Of course, with the change in product and the lack of real wrestling talent among the main eventers in recent years, going to TNA has actually given him a chance to show off even more.
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I'm writing this blog before going to work.
Work , for me, involves going to Universal Studios for the biggest hardcore pay per view
night in years.
ECW! ECW! ECW!
I love how the circle of life adds depth and validity each time it comes around.
All the energy and time you spent enjoying ECW will be justified tonight, as
we will see that it meant a whole lot to a lot of people.
I expect this to be TNA's highest rated pay per view in the history of the company.
That's based on everyone in the streets telling me how much they're looking forward
to it. Me too.
I'd imagine a lot of the old TNA guys are feeling like they're taking a back seat.
The thing is...you can't argue with the numbers.
Last week TNA broke new all-time records for ratings!
TNA needed a change. The 6-sided ring and the great technical wrestlers -that nobody knew-wasn't working.
TNA brought in two rock stars, and look at the company now!
Dixie often points out how hiring Jeff Hardy and RVD started a whole new era, why do some of the wrestlers not see it?
Too, young, too green, too selfish to have the correct perspective.
Whereas some of the TNA "stars" are lucky to get recognized walking around the studios, Jeff and
myself live like actual celebrities, signing autographs and taking pictures EVERYWHERE we go.
Without experiencing this, it's probably hard to imagine.
In fact, very few wrestlers stick out in people's minds the way that Jeff and I do.
WE love our fans and we love their love.
TNA is blowing up. Good things will come our way and
I see it all happening now.
This is a very exciting time.
More people watching TNA means more people exposed to the other wrestlers on the card too...as long as they're good
enough to hang around with the rising standards.
It doesn't matter if you preferred the old style of wrestling when only you and your buddies
knew about it.
We're into making money.
Tonight is going to be a HUGE indicator of what doing the right thing can accomplish.
http://robvandam.com/rvdtv/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=1092
In it's entirety it reads more like RVD is sticking up for the people who say that TNA fans don't care about ECW or EV2 or whatever...Van Dam has made some pretty conceited comments in the past, so this isn't exactly a shock
But reading the whole thing, written the day of a PPV, defending his friends...meh...it's not a big deal.
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Well, the story is everywhere and is being credited to Meltzer or to a post on RVD's blog.
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<p>Yes. Typo now that I read it. </p><p> </p><p>
That's what i meant..I was arguing that TNA did do marketing for the Jan show and yes we agree.</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hyde Hill" data-cite="Hyde Hill" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You are getting ratings and viewer numbers confused but yeah I agree with a lot of what you are saying. Still one aspect TNA can improve upon is their marketing. Is that the sole reason for their lack of better success? nope. Is it a reason? yep.<p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It is definitely a reason but I wouldn't say it's a primary reason. And more than anything I was arguing that TNA did no marketing for the January show.</p><p> </p><p> And you're right that Hogan promoted his book, but that's what you get for dealing with Hogan: he's on board and he'll say all the right things and he'll pimp your company...just so long as there's something in it for him.</p>
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As for you saying you understand my writing lol does that just mean that you cant prove me wrong because what I said was perfectly clear:rolleyes:
No. It wasn't. If you think that this..
if they would market their product which is a different Sports Entertainment than what the WWE has right now with the promotion of Hogan/Flair/RVD/Hardy they could get better ratings and that 18-49 demo would love the knockout promote that it has all to do with marketing if no one knows what TNA is how is TNA every going to get big?..is 'perfectly clear' then you have some serious issues with the English language.
And I don't have to "prove you wrong." You're wrong.
TNA and Spike spent millions on the promotion of that first episode, it was hyped heavily by mainstream press (here's an article on espn.com http://espn.go.com/espn/page2/index?id=4969328 ) the man was on everything from Larry King to Rachael Ray talking about it and you couldn't watch an hour of Spike without seeing an advertisement.
If you don;t think they promoted his debut, then you were either not paying attention or you're ignoring it to prove your point. Either way..every other person who posts in this thread can tell you: they promoted that show. Heavily. Period.
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How will anyone know to watch something that they have never heard of it has all to do with marketing the first few shows with EB/Hogan what it got a 1.5 with no Marketing almost if they would market their product which is a different Sports Entertainment than what the WWE has right now with the promotion of Hogan/Flair/RVD/Hardy they could get better ratings and that 18-49 demo would love the knockout promote that it has all to do with marketing if no one knows what TNA is how is TNA every going to get big?
How exactly do you claim there was no marketing for those first few shows? Did you not notice the MSG press conference, Hogan and Bischoff and Dixie being interviewed on UFC events, the millions of commercials for Hogan's debut on all hours of Spike programming...?
Also..I know you're heard this before...but your posts are basically gibberish and I seriously have no idea what you said after the bit where I quoted. If you can't convey what you're saying in an understandable way it's hard to go back and forth on a message board.
Do us all a favor and spend a second writing more clearly. Please.
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That's because of poor marketing I mean whoever is in charge of that for TNA needs to be fired I have never seen a TNA Commercial outside of Spike and WWE has commercials on alot of channels if TNA Marketed the names they have the right way the could get 1.5 and up but the marketing is just not there it could be that the moneys not their but idk.
That's just stupid.
Marketing? Really? It has nothing to do with the fact that they blew their one chance to impress a bigger audience with those first few shows of the Hogan/Bischoff Era? Or that they moved to Monday waaaay too soon and completely shot themselves in the foot, thereby taking several steps backwards from a ratings standpoint?
Or maybe the names they brought in are just not that interesting to current fans?
TNA is putting on some good shows lately, but rehashing 10 year old names is a mistake and blaming their lack of progress simply on marketing is ridiculous.
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And surely because it worked 13 years ago, it will work today. Point taken.But it's not like this is an isolated incident.
The history of wrestling is littered with companies that failed because they never bothered to make any new stars...AWA, World Class, the Pacific Northwest..
WCW failed to make many new stars and it killed them in the long run. The same thing would happen to WWE and they have the luxury financially to do a youth movement when TNA really can't afford to.
just to reiterate
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Yet everyone says Dixie has no business running a company, etc. I agree a balance must exist between established stars and new talent. But the audience is more interested in established stars by and large.
Are they? Because TNA have added established name after established name and they're ratings have done basically nothing.
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You shouldn't speak relative to the result though. If you are waiting to cross the street, but then see the oncoming car turns a block before it gets to you, was it a bad idea to wait? You wouldn't have gotten hit regardless.
But it's not like this is an isolated incident.
The history of wrestling is littered with companies that failed because they never bothered to make any new stars...AWA, World Class, the Pacific Northwest..
WCW failed to make many new stars and it killed them in the long run. The same thing would happen to WWE and they have the luxury financially to do a youth movement when TNA really can't afford to.
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The WWE just had how many guys under 35 in the main event of their last ppv?
All seven Nexus guys, Cena, Bryan, Morrison, etc.
TNA had 40+ ECW guys scattered all over theirs.
Not too mention Kurt Angle, Nash, Foley, Jarrett, Hogan, etc.
I think Eric is actually saying that the WWE is pushing too many young guys
Like I just posted in the E thread though how many of the NEXUS is drawing? If it was Wade Barrett V. Bryan Danielson in the Main Event would it draw and the answer is no. The people who watched SS were more intrested in WWE's superteam than NXTUS and having them lose dont help them at allLong term growth vs short term gain.
Also...i guarantee i could go through Dixie comments ove rthe last year and find 10 examples of where she's contradicting Eric here.
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Their profits are strong because they've been cutting costs for years. The problems is that - eventually - you run out of cuts and those profits are progressively decreasing.
Now, they're not in trouble or anything...but it's a sign that business is down
But yes, I agree, the youth movement in general will pay dividends if done correctly. I'm just not sure if they're getting the 'prospects' that will become the next big stars.
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They're the shirts that look like Affliction knock-offs if that helps
The gas mask designs have been actually pretty ok imo
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...and I haven't seen too many NEXUS shirts I see more new Hogan, HHH, DX, Cena shirts floating around a youth movements good depending on how you book it
You're wrong. Flat out wrong, actually.
http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/columns/148846
Hamilton Ave News Journal covers the business side of things. This is from the most recent column
1. Nexus Logo T-Shirt ($25, on sale $19.95)2. Nexus Armband ($8.00)
3. John Cena
Never Give Up White T-Shirt ($25, on sale $19.95)
4. John Cena Never Give Up Lunch Cooler ($12.00)
5. Raw The Beginning The Best of Seasons 1 & 2 ($39.95, on sale $19.99)
6. John Cena Illustrated YOUTH T-Shirt ($9.99, on sale $8.95)
7. Randy Orton Lobotomy Basics YOUTH T-Shirt ($9.99, on sale $8.95)
8. The Hurricane Basics Series #5 Action Figure ($9.99)
9. WWE Red/Blue Reusable Bag ($2.99)
10. Randy Orton Lobotomy T-Shirt ($25, on sale $19.95)
The t-shirt sales continues, but so does the domination of the Nexus. The Nexus had both of their items jump up the list this week to number one and two, pushing down regulars John Cena, Randy Orton, and the Miz. If anything was an indicator whether the Nexus would be sticking around or not, this sales chart should show there is quite a while in front of them yet.
If you back a few weeks those N shirts have been #3, #1, #3, #1, #1, #5 etc since the shirt came out.
So..ratings aside..fans are buying into the angle.
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What slag said...no one in their right mind would put their top show on Saturday night.