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But yeah, the guy looks like a freak of nature, as long is he isn't on roids, I'd push the rap out of him. If he is on roids, and with that look it wouldn't be surprising, then that's a risk TNA needs to decide if they are willing to take given the PR backlash that may come down the line.
TNA has like zero drug policy and has been willing to deal with both Angle and Hardy even during their drug related issues.
Seriously doubt they care one way or the other.
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Yes?
Edit: Why the hell am i stuck at 95 posts? that was my post count yesterday...
Post in the Dog Pound don't count as they aren't considered an addition to the community.
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Plus Spike is getting this programing at a steal no?
No. But TNA does have a three year deal, so realistically there wasn't a chance of Spike ever dropping Impact unless there was a catastrophic drop in ratings.
I really am ticked you guys coming down on the push of Rob Terry. So long as he's committed to improving his in-ring skills, you'd be retarded if you run a Entertainment/angle based promotion and not push him as a midcard act if not uppermidcard. HE'S HUGE! In TEW Terms his Looks/Star Quality thing would be like a A*!He's f'n awful in the ring, he has almost zero charisma, and TNA actually has several guys under contract that look just as impressive and are ten times as talented. He's a waste of time. Total garbage.
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I'm not showing blind loyalty. Blind loyalty would be saying TNA is good when I know it isn't. I don't care if TNA is good or not as long as it entertains me. TNA entertains me, therefore I'll defend it.
I would say "defending it" is blind loyalty. You admit they make mistakes.
Why stand up for TNA when really all your agrument boils down to is : "hey i know it's a mess but I like it."
(which btw is perfectly fair and far more respectable than "TNA is GREAT>WWE EB IS E AGENYUS. everything is perfect!100000X betterr " etc)
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The average consumer is irrational, doesn't mean I have to be. I was speaking from my personal point of view.
I would say it's totally rational to make a decision based on a company's track record.
Blind loyalty is by far the more irrational approach to anything imo
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Well I hope so.
I do to. Sincerely. That's the frustration with TNA. I've said it before: there's more actual in-ring talent on that roster.
If they booked a straigh forward wrestling show they could put on a card that would be incredibly entertaining.
Again it's just being assumed that the whole thing's been forgotten and that TNA wasted the opportunity. I know TNA has a history of bad booking, but bashing them for a booking decision before it's even been made/not made is ridiculous.Happens all the time in all forms of media. You put oput a bunch of crappy CDs, people stop buying and you lose your record deal. Your movies all die at the box office, pretty soon you're only getting offers for direct to video releases.
Consumer confidence is a commodity. Nobody owes that to TNA. They've had seven plus years to earn it. That's their failure not ours.
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I'm sorry. But that's a naive response. Because TNA has been doing this for too long to get the benefit of the doubt.
It was actually a good episode of Impact last night, but coming off that PPV, it's hard to believe this company will ever figure out that less is more.
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Except the feud was NEVER exclusively RVD vs Sting. And for all we know they're still planning on doing an RVD vs Sting program. There was one week of no RVD v Sting confrontation and it's just become assumed that the whole idea was dropped.
It's being assumed because we're used to TNA's shoddy booking.
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He wasn't a heel in the Main Event Mafia?
Worked as in "he's never been effective"
No..I don't think he was effective in the MEM.
Well...I think he's hot so I can't hate his push. When did Rob Terry go over Desmond Wolfe?I meant Wolfe as an example. If you push Terry that piece of crap is going to have to go over some fairly talented midcard heels.
And I don't care about his looks. He sucks.
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So now RVD HAS to be in a program with Sting otherwise his entire run in TNA is going to be a waste when it just started? C'MON!
It's Booking 101.
The two exchange attacks, which leads to promos and confrontations in order to lead up to a big blow off match.
The confrontations and attacks take place on TV. These create interest.
The fact that a feud is happening between two HUGE names that have never worked against each other (a rarity these days) generates viewers and possibly helps ratings.
Weeks of build-up make people want to PAY MONEY to watch the final match on PPV.
It's a waste of opportunity.It's illogical and stupid booking. And, as someone else noted, the fact that it's "unpredictable" does not in fact make it good.
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What pertaining RVD and Sting really needs resolution? RVD exacted revenge, Sting turned heel.
See...I don't get this at all. Sting has never ever worked as a heel, he's been put over as the defender of TNA for his entire run there, and really the only reason he's a "heel" is because hes' going after Hogan...a character that quite a few people in the audience are rooting against.
Sting returning to feud with Flair and AJ because he felt betrayed that AJ turned heel after Sting "passed the torch" would've made far more sense.
Beer Money's turn into Bischoff's goons hasn't been that bad, at least they're on TV. Morgan/Hernandez split HAD to happen eventually.Again..why? Or more to the point...why throw them together in the beginning?
It's a feud to move two guys up the card when the only reason they were in the team was because no one had any idea what to do with them in the first place.
Rob Terry is looking like a long term investment, he's gotten about 5 mins every 2 weeks on TV, is that really something to complain about?Yes. Because he's awful. This is a case where the booking makes sense, but pushing a no-talent roided up freak with limited charisma seems like a move that would be better in the 80s. Especially becaus I have no desire to see him move up the card by going over someone like Desmond Wolfe.
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Which makes the entire debut a waste then. To have RVD steal a cheap win and Sting respond with a 10-minute beatdown with a baseball bat... To not do anything with it is ridiculous.
Which makes it par for the course for TNA and its diehard fans.
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So the rumor that's flying around now is Tommy Dreamer and Paul Heyman be brought in and Team 3D+Dreamer v The Wolfpac
I'd mark out like a surprise birthday party if this was to happen. Plus it'd mean no more Nasty Boys! I hope...
Where do you see that rumor?Yea, I'm not seeing that anywhere. You sure that's not some TNA fantasy booking?
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I'm not saying this is 'right', but this is how I make the distinction. "Smarks" watch wrestling matches and critique 'workrate' and 'push'. Marks don't. Both groups know its fake, but Marks watch wrestling on a more emotional and less analytical level. 99% of the folks on this site are what I'd call Smarks, because TEW is a deeply smarky game.
I mean no offense in the use of either of these words. Both Smarks and Marks are awesome. Different, but both great in equal measure.
Mostly agree. i do think it's possible to watch analytically and not be a workrate snob
As a for instance: I absolutley understand the justification behind most of what the WWE does even when I don't enjoy it. So i'm not being a 'mark', but I'm also not going to hammer them for appealing to the vast majority of their audience.
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Wow. That's kinda funny, that everyone's ragging on the PPV, and then someone else comes in and not only does he disagree, he doesn't argue or anything. Just comes out and says it clear as day.
Right. to be fair though this guy...
lovein the fact that the wolfpac is back they never get old i think the ppv in a whole was probly a 6.5/10is the same as this guy..
lol some of you act like u really know wrestling its really funny to read things that people who have only watched wrestling and play tew say tna needs to do im sure eb knows what hes doing and trust me TNA is 10000000X more entertaining than wwe but really all of you smarks get a life i mean try getting friends or get out a little bit theres more to life than what you watch on wrestling and im glad eb dont listen to any of you nerds about "what he needs to do"so yeah...
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<p>WTF?????</p><p> </p><p> hahahahaha...from the recap on 411mania.com</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Flair to the apron, and PEPPER SPRAY TO THE REF. LOW BLOW by AJ, Flair tosses him the belt, and he nails Abyss with the title. AJ celebrates as the crowd chants for Hogan, and here he is. He brings out Earl Hebner to be the new ref. Hogan kicks Chelsea to the back and starts to wheel Flair to the back. They sing "Hey hey goodbye" for Flair. AJ gets the springboard 450 for 2! Abyss ABYSS'S UP! Chop by AJ, rights follow, YOU! Rights by Abyss, off the ropes, big boot and CHOKESLAM and <em>AJ goes THROUGH the mat!</em> Hebner rings the bell.<p> </p><p> Hogan is out and hands Abyss the TNA Title, but Hebner takes it away. Flair wheels out to the ring, and Abyss GOOZLES him! He drags him in the ring, and Abyss falls into the hole in the ring. Nice. Hogan pepper sprays Flair. Desmond Wolfe hits the ring, Hogan and Abyss beat him down. Pepper spray (it didn't spray) to Wolfe. He falls into the hole. Flair falls into the hole.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The week before Wrestlemania...coming off the debacle that is the new "Monday night War" ...and THIS is the PPV they deliver???</p><p> </p><p> Holy **** I remember the end of 2009 how strong TNA looked and how they'd finally FINALLY begun booking solid feuds and had wrapped up the MEM feud...Angle/Wolfe was stealing the show ans AJ was being given the match-based run as a champ he needed..and now?</p><p> </p><p> The nWo reforming? Abyss as a new Hulk Hogan-esque character? The Morgan turn would be fine if he hadn't just turned a few motnhs back (maybe new viewers won't care). </p><p> </p><p> And of course..that ending. <img alt=":(" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/frown.png.e6b571745a30fe6a6f2e918994141a47.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Wrestling Century" data-cite="Wrestling Century" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I just watched The Rise & Fall of WCW documentary and I have to say, I personally think that it was unbiased.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah you're wrong. It's a work of pure propoganda.</p>
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Thats a load of BS, sir. Just because I don't get all negative after TWO shows, because I do enjoy the product and I disagree with you guys on book strategy I'm the guy saying La La La?
This continues to make me nuts....do people honestly believe that the negativity towards TNA is about the ratings? Or that ONLY the last two show have had problems?
Have you guys been watching at all for the last 7 years?
That makes you the La La guy more than anything imo
I think it's great if you enjoy the product and we just happen to disagree. That's just a difference in opinion. But TNA's booking/storytelliing issues go back before Hulk and Eric appeared. Which is why it makes it more unlikely that they're going to het this back on track any time soon.
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Slagaholic" data-cite="Slagaholic" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>That's your opinion. I enjoy TNA, you can't never convince me to not be a fan. I even admitted in the post that the whole thing was my opinion.<p> </p><p> If TNA fails, that may be what the history books say, but I'll have fond memories of watching TNA. </p><p> </p><p> If that makes you think negatively of me, that's fine. I don't think negatively of you. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I don't think negatively of you. But I don't think it's at all accurate to say "It's only been 2 months etc"</p><p> </p><p> And I also don't honestly see how you can watch TNA week in week out and think that's truly entertaining. It's a hot mess.</p><p> </p><p> The WWE is predictable and formulaic and not terribly original. </p><p> </p><p> But they aren't making any huge, drastic, glaringly obvious mistakes either. </p><p> </p><p> I'd rather watch "predictable" than "trainwreck" any day of the week.</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Slagaholic" data-cite="Slagaholic" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> However!</p><p> </p><p> It's only been 2 and a half months and it's clear they're trying to do too much. </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> No it fuzzing hasn't.</p><p> </p><p> TNA has been booking like this FOR YEARS.</p><p> </p><p> Moe Hunter said it best: TNA supporters have been using "they just need ___, give it time, you'll see" FOREVER.</p><p> </p><p> TNA has done nothing to make me believe they are going to figure things out. Nothing. I don't owe this company any benefit of the doubt because they haven't earned any. </p><p> </p><p> Again, Moe said it best: they've had every break in the world handed to them. TV slots, financial backing, big name talent, PPV deals that other companies would die for, mainstream media attention..and they still put out what is basically a piss poor product.</p><p> </p><p> They don't desereve to succeed. They really don't even deserve the fanbase they have. They definitely don't deserve a massive surge in popularity. </p><p> </p><p> When this company goes away it will be seen as the biggest waste of talent since the WCW and AWA. Just one giant colossal clusterfizzle from day one...</p><p> </p><p> EDIT: for clusterfuzzle</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TommyDreamerFan" data-cite="TommyDreamerFan" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>We're not the life blood of this industry, merely the most vocal part of it. </div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I don't get you. You completely understand that casual fans make up the majority of the paying fanbase, but then you complain because the E caters to the casual fan.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>And **** y'all, The Nasty's if used right can be an asset. These guys have the charisma, they can get the crowd to hate them, just keep their matches under ten minute brawls. Build them up and then let them work with guys like Shelly and Sabin a great tag team that no one outside You, me and the cactus in the room give a **** about. Plus, The Nasty's were WAY ahead of their time! These were the guys that were wearing all black and doing the counter-culture look with leatherjackets and chains before that kind of thing became huge in wrestling with the attitude era. </div></blockquote><p> </p><p> ROFL</p><p> </p><p> Listen, i get that YOU like the Nasty Boys. And that would be totally fine if you didn't spend so much time insisting how great they are to the rest of the world. </p><p> </p><p> Just accept that you like them and that not many others do. It's fine.</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Remianen" data-cite="Remianen" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div> How's this for a reason? It's not the least bit appealing to the audience they're targeting. That a good enough reason?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That's gonna fall on deaf ears. TDF does genuinely enjoy the product right now so any time someone criticize we are WWESHEEPLE or summat. </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Let me go a little bit further, Mr I Love the Nasty Boys. YOU are the reason TNA will fail. Yeah, I said it. Every person who buys into this ol' dubya cee dubya kick is validating a failed strategy. Sure, maybe you would pay for a pay per view to see the fat, overpushed enhancement talents that were never worthy of screen time <strong><em>at their peak</em></strong>. But most people want to see wrestlers who can navigate a ring without the assistance of a power chair from the Scooter Store. Or who stall for time to catch their breath in the middle of a match (WATCH the Nasty Boy matches. Watch them critically, not through fanboy eyes). I swear Knobbs has a cardio level that can only be described as 'bovine'. Hell, I'd pay TWICE as much to see Randy Orton from his 'rest hold a-gogo' period than the freakin' Nastys. Also, keep this in mind. Every minute the Nasty Boys pollute the airwaves with their presence is a minute that workers like Sabin and Shelley don't get front line programs (no room at the inn!). Sometimes I wish someone would just give Scott Hall a case of ripple and put ME out of my misery. The fans TNA seems to be going after are not going to spend time trying to figure out wtf is going on and why a pair of old balding men in their 50s are lumbering around with blood oozing (because they're too old for it to gush anymore) from their heads. They're not going to try to figure out why a pay per view quality match is on free TV and why TNA's champion is losing clean to that WWE guy. They're going to ascertain that the WWE guy must be better so why are they watching this crap?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Hahahahaha..tremendous.</p><p> </p><p> That whole paragraph.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>But I think it's telling that you think WWE is stale (which it is) because they're relying heavily on their strengths. Gee, if TNA had done that from the beginning, perhaps they'd have 21st century draws and wouldn't have had to reach back into the past to exhume some past ones (along with a lot who didn't draw a dime).</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That's a whole lotta true.</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TommyDreamerFan" data-cite="TommyDreamerFan" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I disagree. Look at what Umaga accomplished in the E. Joe can provide that same value to the company. </div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Midcard jobber to the star? meh...</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I certainly don't feel the WWE product is bad in anyway, just boring. Stagnant. Same old same old. The reason I'm so fond of TNA, most likely, is because it's fresh and exciting. I've always felt that way when TNA is good, and there have been times I stopped watching TNA because I couldn't stand it. Russo's gimmick matches, how I couldn't understand any of the BS that was going on, feuds not ending on their logic closeur point. Russo is a very creative guy and I like that about him. Once he joined the promotion got very angle heavy, and they needed that, but he needs someone like Eric Bischoff/McMahon/Heyman to wade through the sea of crap and find the good bits. </div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'll give you that. But to be fair, they are a publicly traded company with shareholders to answer to and the fact that they are going with only the most reliable draws and only the most heavily run stories...you kinda can't blame them.</p>
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It doesn't work if the users don't chill out a litlle. No one should ever interpretate anyone's words literally all the time in just about...anywhere...wether in a forum or any other place. Sure, we have to explain ourselfs perfectly on our posts and we have to be clear, bla bla. But for God's sake...there is always room for a good joke, or healthy sarcasm, humour, irony, etc.
We kinda have to take you literally because a) we may not know you better as of yet and b) this is a wrestling baord and there are SOME fans who make insane and illogical assertions and are being 100% serious.
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Went over this already..
TNA giving us crappy booking for 7 years = they don't deserve the benefit of the doubt.