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    The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

    in The Dog Pound

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    Wolverine debuted as an Incredible Hulk villain in the mid-70's and was created by Len Wein, and since Nash is talking about movies, Hugh Jackman is 6'1"-6'2" and ripped. Maybe not the best example?

     

    If Nash is talking about movies, then why would he say "Stan Lee" and "started Marvel"? If you discount Wolverine for being not created by Stan Lee, you can't use the movie version of Wolverine to further your point.

     

    Well before the movies, Wolverine was easily by leaps and bounds the most poprular X-Man, to a sickening degree. I say him being a 5'3" undeniable badass, hugely popular and "believable" (within context) is a fine dismantling of Nash's point.

     

    How tall is Thomas Jane? I seem to recall him beating Kevin Nash in a little movie called The Punisher.

     

    Also, Nash mentioned "guys the same height as the refs"... No one seems to have a problem with that in the UFC, where real people really fight each other. Could Nash beat Herb Dean or John McCarthy?

    The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

    in The Dog Pound

    Posted

    <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lazorbeak" data-cite="lazorbeak" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>He's bigger and has a better physique? He looks more like a stereotypical champion?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I don't recall Billy Gunn or Curt Hennig ever being world champion, and Ziggler looks more like them than anyone else....</p><p> </p><p> But I get what you're saying.</p>

    The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

    in The Dog Pound

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    <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Or maybe it's the fact that he has been extremely underrated on the mic for a while</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Exactly. He was fantastic with Foley earlier in the year, and since then has had basically no opportunity on the mic, much like 90% of the undercard. It's a shock anyone can get over when they're not allowed to build a rapport with the audience verbally.</p>

    The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

    in The Dog Pound

    Posted

    They tried it with Punk's SES group but aside from a few decent segments with Rey Mysterio the whole thing fizzled out. Then they tried it again with Punk taking over the remnants of Nexus which thankfully didn't last long.

     

    SES - routinely squashed by Big Show

    New Nexus - routineley squashed by Orton

     

    Because why push hot new talent, when you can keep forcing guys who've been on top forever?

    The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

    in The Dog Pound

    Posted

    Ouch, I have plenty to say but don't want to get too complex since being an airhead hoe who acts like every girl in a night club in California seems to be all some people can understand..

     

    Wrong. I'm all for girl power. I've said I don't care for many of the Divas but I like a few of them.

     

    I didn't mind Kelly Kelly to a point.

     

    I just think they need to tone the AJ stuff down that's all.

     

    I admit her in ring sucked, but she was full of energy and was a bit ditzy. I'm glad they didn't take it to far.

     

    So... Kelly acts like an airhead, like every girl in a night club in California, which is apparently a bad thing, but you get on board with it? Being "full of energy and a bit ditzy" is better than a crazy character who actually can act, and is making compelling television?

     

    Someone already covered that Kelly's whole gimmick was that of being a two-timing exhibitionist ho. Also, AJ can run the ropes, which already puts her leagues ahead of Kelly in the ring. Kelly was bad in the ring, and couldn't act or make a storyline to save herself.

     

    So you are corect in that you can get complex, if by that you mean along the lines of contradictory.

    The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

    in The Dog Pound

    Posted

    Well technically he's still married but thats semantics.

     

    Secondly Cena being married had no basis in the storyline or in the representation of her being a "hoeski" because Cena has no marital status in the WWE "Universe". I'm not aware of them mentioning Cena being married and if they have its a one off here or there and certainly wasn't a centralized part of Eve's story and again has basis in the Eve being a hoeski perspective.

     

    The Rock called him out on it specifically in regards to his "fling" with Eve, as part of what was billed as the biggest feud in years.

    The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

    in The Dog Pound

    Posted

    He beat him, he wasn't "over" him, as in more overness, more popular, etc. Cena is known by people that don't know the difference between TNA and WWE is, don't know what Smackdown or Raw or Impact is, don't know who Undertaker, Triple H, or CM Punk is, but they know him.

     

    Punk could beat him 10 times in a row, and it might not matter, far as that goes though, to be fair about it.

    So because Cena has 7 years of being on top, movies, media appearances, etc... That means CM Punk shouldn't get the chance to forge his own legacy? Again, this is not the way of things historically. Hogan, Austin, Rock - they all had to step aside, and let others have their time in the spotlight. Otherwise we would not have Triple H, Bret Hart, Undertaker, Shawn Michaels...

     

    Never mind that Punk outsold Cena in merch, in fact completely sold out of his "Best in the World" shirt before it was even released. Never mind that Punk has been doing a ton of media appearances over the past year and doing a lot of Make-a-Wish stuff too. Because Cena's #1, apparently there can never be another #1, ever, even in the present-term forgetting "of all time".

     

    Cena will sell the merchandise no matter where he is on the card.

    Perfect. Let's put him elsewhere on the card, and let the Champions get their due.

     

    I heartily disagree that Kane, Lauranitis and Big Show were worthy of going on last. Is an Elimination Chamber match not big enough? Is the AJ angle not dramatic enough? Are Daniel Bryan and Chris Jericho not good enough wrestlers?

    The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

    in The Dog Pound

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    When I started to reply to this I ended up with one of my famous huge posts, that my actual reply would have been lost in. So I'm trying to simplify it best I can.

     

    You can't force someone down people's throats to make others like them more.

     

    This thing about Cena is unique, and it's a shame no one wants to see it. He rises above all the hate for him, and kids eat it up. The more people boo him, the more the "next" generation will love him for being able to take it. It's not "cool" to like him, yet it's "very cool" for the next generation to like him. The more aggressively people are against him, the more he proves himself. It's a losing battle trying to de-throne him, at least in that sense. He is and always will be the biggest spectacle in modern wrestling, the most talked about (by far), and yes, the most "interesting". Resistance if futile.

     

    You want to dethrone him, quit booing and start cheering for the people you want over him. Be silent when he's on live, cheer for others when they are on live. The more reactions he gets, good or bad, will just make him thrive. The louder, the bigger he becomes. Every time there is a "Let's go Cena/Cena Sucks" battle in the crowd, it becomes clear how important he is... as one tries to be louder then the other, it becomes even bigger.

     

    That literally had nothing to do with my question at all. Do you think Cena would have had the same success if he got the push that Sheamus is getting right now? Same amount of wins, but opening every card instead of closing, while Triple H fights a string of opponents, including Bischoff, in the Main Event?

     

    JBL just come off a 10 month reign, before Cena's 9 month reign, and he didn't blow up like Cena.

    1. Cena blew up before his WWE Title win, and started being hated when he went to Raw.

    2. JBL was a mega old-school heel. It wasn't his job to blow up, it was his job to make the crowd hate him on all levels. He did interviews outside WWE where he ranted against internet fans saying we were all the kids he stuffed in lockers, etc.

     

    I wouldn't be surprised if Cena gets a full decade more in as Main Eventer, before retirement, or falling down the card occurs. It's not like he's a decade over the others... I mean, Punk and Daniels are 31, sheamus is 34, and Cena is 35. He can do this til' he's 45 without a problem, if he doesn't have too many injuries. He hasn't even had the title half as long as Hulk Hogan had it... but he's had it longer then both Rock and Austin.

     

    Which again, leaves the others where? Another ten years of playing second fiddle and never getting a chance to prove otherwise?

     

    I'm not saying Cena is the best guy for the job for you, or even for me... but he is for the rest of the people, so it doesn't matter what we want, we aren't going to get it unless something changes.

    Which brings me to a similar question... If Cena is so over that he doesn't need the belt, is he not also so over that he doesn't need to be the Main Event of every show? Will his fans really stop buying PPVs and merch just because he's not on last?

     

    I'm actually enjoying this debate, I don't know why... I honestly would like nothing more then Punk or Bryan to go over Cena in a big way (I mean, OVER, not necessarily a match, but in overness)... but I would like it to happen without Cena actually dropping the ball or something. I want it to be them reaching even higher levels, if that makes sense.

    Punk absolutely went over him last year, but they have not treated him as the champion he is. He broke out and they said "here's another ceiling". Same thing on a smaller scale with Ryder. He made himself way over, but because it wasn't Creative's doing, he doesn't get to reap the benefits of it, instead he's back to constantly jobbing and occasionally having a brief appearance backstage.

    The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

    in The Dog Pound

    Posted

    The one question I have for people supporting Cena's eternal reign in the Main Event, constantly being pushed above every champion is...

     

    How are the Punks, Bryans, Sheamuses of the world ever going to become "the man" if they're never given the opportunity to main event?

     

    Cena won the belt at WM21 and immediately started Main Eventing. Other than his second place in the Rumble that year, he had never main evented a PPV before. But once he had the belt, he was constantly at the top of the card. They didn't have JBL or Triple H doing non-title matches above him all the time.

    The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

    in The Dog Pound

    Posted

    <p>It's sad that CM Punk's "change" and "revolution" has amounted to him being in the undercard as champion while Cena Main Events four PPVs in a row</p><p> </p><p>

    Elimination Chamber: Cena vs Kane</p><p>

    Wrestlemania: Cena vs Rock</p><p>

    Extreme Rules: Cena vs Brock</p><p>

    Over The Limit: Cena vs Lauranitis</p><p> </p><p>

    And on Raw Lauranitis said that the "Main Event" of No Way Out will be Cena vs Big Show.</p><p> </p><p>

    Punk's been having great matches, but really nothing has changed. Cena still has the spotlight, even without the title. Raw is *about* Cena, the PPVs are all built around Cena. Outside of doing actual shoots, how can Punk "take the ball and run" as Austin would say?</p>

    The Official TNA / Impact / GFW Discussion Thread

    in The Dog Pound

    Posted

    It's really sad because with the talent (AJ, Joe, MCMG, Aries, and Daniels) and the star power (Sting, Hogan, Flair, Angle, RVD, Hardy and Anderson) TNA's got they should be beating WWE in ratings.

     

    They should be beatng a show with the talent and star power of the following?:

    CM Punk

    Chris Jericho

    Daniel Bryan

    Dolph Ziggler

    Cody Rhodes

    John Cena

    The Rock

    Brock Lesnar

     

    As much as I like the guys you mentioned, I just don't think it's fair to say they should be *beating* WWE right now. And I even left Triple H, Shawn Michaels and The Undertaker off the list, even though they were heavily focused on for the past month. And I left out Orton, Kane and Big Show who all have major star power, and are on Raw most weeks, but are technically SD guys.

     

    It would take at least a full year of perfect booking before TNA could even build real traction. They've been at it almost ten years now, and they are nowhere near being competition to WWE, even with all the talent and star power they've acquired.

    The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

    in The Dog Pound

    Posted

    Edit: Did Bobby Laslhey really left the E becasue of racist friction with creative, specifically Michael Hayes? I mean...how would Vince allow that? I thought he wanted to push Lashley to the moon!

     

    Mark Henry has had run-ins with Michael Hayes, but nothing with any consequences.

     

    Bobby Lashley left the WWE because his wife Kristal Lashley (nee Marshall) was originally going to play Edge's girlfriend and Smackdown GM - remember how leading up to her departure she was scheming her way towards taking Vickie Guerrero's job?

     

    Basically Kristal didn't want to do it, and Bobby got all hot about them suggesting his wife make out with another superstar, so they both left. And, as we all know, Vickie ended up keeping the GM role and becoming Edge's love interest.

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