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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Homicide being free might give ROH fans a bit of relief after Daniel Bryan and Tyler Black leaving, Davey Richards retiring and still rumors of Daniels and Strong leaving as well.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Agreed, too bad no LAX reunion but if that was not in the cards it is best for both sides. Homocide really shot himself in the foot when he said he did not need practice getting out of the Steel Asylum for the Jan 4th show and thus partly killed the début of Hardy.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fantabulous" data-cite="Fantabulous" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><a href="http://www.prowrestling.net/artman/publish/TNA/article1009629.shtml" rel="external nofollow">http://www.prowrestling.net/artman/publish/TNA/article1009629.shtml</a><p> </p><p> Most sites tend to round up to an even number, which is where the incorrect 1.5 comes from. And no, I was not thinking about the second hour.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Weird as the rest of the avenue dated are rounded past the second digit. EG 1.61, 1.67 etc. Still it is a 1.45 not a 1.4 or 1.44 lol, I know nitpicking, and yes if you round that up/down you should make it a 1.5 not a 1.4.</p>

<p>Arguing against the no marketing isn't it?</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>TNA and Spike spent millions on the promotion of that first episode, it was hyped heavily by mainstream press (here's an article on espn.com <a href="http://espn.go.com/espn/page2/index?id=4969328" rel="external nofollow">http://espn.go.com/espn/page2/index?id=4969328</a> ) the man was on everything from Larry King to Rachael Ray talking about it and you couldn't watch an hour of Spike without seeing an advertisement. <p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> but at the same time a lack of marketing which is not no marketing.</p><p> </p><p> Anyway this is getting into semantics. And you know we agree here Peter.</p>

In other news according to PWI TNA has indeed signed Becky Bayless. What I have seen from her I like so good to see the KO's getting buffed up again. Remi your analysis of Becky please?

<p>Actually it was a 1.5 rating not 1.44.</p><p> </p><p> Source:</p><p> </p><p> <a href="http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/columns/149739/The-Hamilton-Ave-Journal-08.19.10:-Volume-2-%E2%80%93-Issue-151.htm" rel="external nofollow">http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/columns/149739/The-Hamilton-Ave-Journal-08.19.10:-Volume-2-%E2%80%93-Issue-151.htm</a></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> And for the three hours:</p><p> </p><p> <a href="http://www.examiner.com/pro-wrestling-in-new-york/ratings-news-for-both-wwe-raw-and-tna-impact-on-january-4" rel="external nofollow">http://www.examiner.com/pro-wrestling-in-new-york/ratings-news-for-both-wwe-raw-and-tna-impact-on-january-4</a></p><p> </p><p> I think you where thinking about the second hour.</p>

<p>You are getting ratings and viewer numbers confused but yeah I agree with a lot of what you are saying. Still one aspect TNA can improve upon is their marketing. Is that the sole reason for their lack of better success? nope. Is it a reason? yep.</p><p> </p><p> Was the jan 4th advertising their biggest ad campaign ever? Yep. Did Hogan mainly talk about his book and then mentioned TNA sometimes without mentioning jan 4th? Yep. Was their highest segment a 1.9 and the total rating a 1.5? Yep. Are there still a lot more possible fans out there who are not aware off TNA? Yep. Do we tend to underestimate that amount seeing as we are wrestling fans? Yep.</p><p> </p><p> Ah well I just hope TNA gets back to their move back to Thursday till EV2.0 quality run of shows from a personal standpoint. Oh yeah and bring back Daniels!!!!!</p>

Just for that I might watch the show lolz.

Sting turn is too early to say it failed. The deception stuff was nice and the leadup to slammiversary. Only just back now. I would keep him face for now. As for opponets well most he has done he has only faced once or twice and for the rest you can turn guys like Anderson, Pope, Joe, Hernandez, Lethal, Angle. Or build up Kaz, Morgan, Wolfe. I think I would prefer a darker heel Hardy to heel RVD. Not saying it is not an option but RVD while not as innovative as before is still over pavlovian or not. PS Am I the only one that wants face Jericho back?

Well RVD has feuded with AJ then Sting and now Abyss. Yes they where all short and fast feud's apart from Abyss but that is generally TNA's style with the faster feuds. Jeff Hardy not doing anything really meaningful, apart from the Anderson stuff, is probably mostly because of his looming court dates which have been moved each time.

Operative word in Pearce's statement is "acting" at least in the first and last paragraph. Or I am reading too much into it. But it seems there where some money issues.

Ok did not see it as Summerslam did not pique my interest. Then yes weird.

I think because considerations like that do not enter into the mind of his 10 year old fans. Bad guys beating up a fellow bad guy = YEAH!

Because from my standpoint Hardy in TNA is more really Jeff Hardy while with the E it was all the image that they made him into. Plus he stood out more from an in ring standpoint in the E possibly. Also guys like RVD and Hardy are not WWE rejects WWE wanted Hardy to resign badly and always wanted RVD back, they chose TNA. Just to make that clear for others as I did see the ' '.

Why can't you watch them in TNA? Especially Anderson as he is better then ever in the E imho. Yes lately with the EV2.0 stuff that can be a real turn off for some but before all that they where doing very well.

Hmm seems there was a big jump in the second hour. Either the guns vs money was an excellent draw or there where some highly watched shows that just finished or both. Wasn't there a highest rated Jersey Shore ever and American Football on? Too bad about the first hour. Still can't say much going on quarters as you need minute by minutes but I do like the seemingly growth almost throughout the whole show. Edit smart placement of the guns vs money match too as Q5 is zapping time.

DDP and Goldberg and to an extent Luger. But I get your point in that the NWO was too dominating.

Yeah even before the Monday wars. WCW generally was the chase and WWE was the threat. During the wars the E started to vary it's approach and actually has switched to the chase method as heels tend to hold the titles the most even though the faces win most.

I agree but the whole point of the last show was that it would be all action. I can forgive Anderson's talking as it is part of his entrance and almost forgive the Hogan stuff as it was a cool beatdown. But the whole point of this particular show was no talkie talkie and if you want talkie talkie watch reaction.

Yeah to be honest the KO stuff and Dreamer and Dixie stuff bored me. Fortune, Guns, Angle, Anderson, Abyss was nice. I just want the old BP back together again because they had the best chemistry and no more Lacey, even though she is generic hot, and Madison, even though she is the least bad wrestler of the BP. The BP are supposed to be the anti knockouts not the whole focus of the division imho. Anyone else with me?

More new wrestlers? They need to release some and preferably get Xplosion on tv in the States before they start hiring. Except maybe for Knockout's which have suffered an exodus.

Agreed and I would remove Nash and sub with Foley. Hogan and Sting and Flair pretty much have Nash's fanbase covered and are bigger legends, Foley has a more unique fanbase that covers almost all the ECW guys who can only drum up support as a group at this time, so once hopefully fortune beats the snot out of them they are done.

Yes it was made less important then the TITLE MATCH and the big angle which they just had a ppv of. They knew it would be a good match and Tenay hyped the **** out of it. Could it have main evented? sure, should it have main evented possibly, was it just a forgotten midcard match as Heyman makes it out to be? No. And the Guns and Beer Money together got more speaking time then 5 minutes on Reaction imho.

I prefer young blood as well but also understand you can't have just young blood. Especially when you are laterally expanding aka expanding overseas like TNA and for other reasons. Yes make them support characters but cutting them away completely nah. Some can just go as they have been eclipsed by bigger stars from their time period and or company.

Ah that old chestnut. Ok how about I believe you got that information out of unreliable sources and thus is not true and I believe the equally unreliable or in my view more reliable sources that say the different. It was not a personal attack on you, or at least was not intended as such. Anyway as I pointed out this is the ROH thread so let's talk that. Worst case scenario with Black gone, Daniels and Aries and Strong to TNA and Richards retired I would go with a returning Jimmy Jacobs ideal given his and Tyler's history together. Otherwise I would love to see Maple Leaf Muscle get a run hehe. Of the current roster Hero, Castagnoli, Cabana or Edwards maybe.

Nope as TNA is still in the black. Or if it isn't that in his view he will turn it around and put it in the black. Making the older guys supporting characters I can applaud but chopping their heads off nuh uh. Plus the guns was the semi main and it was the end of the series and it was followed up on Reaction. They where not ready for him? More likely they did not want to give him 10 percent of the company with a guarantee of going public which he said he would be asking. Gotta love the spin. Still too bad they could not work something out. PS credit is to PWI for that summation that sayso reacted on.