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it should be the most up-to-date data. That said, by absolute pure chance, I started pecking at the data again. Namely just adding some "to debut" workers and correcting a few tiny things. So there may be an update in the coming... lets say couple months. Basically what I did was go through AEW & WWE's current rosters and pulled out anyone who debut before 2008 (or so) as well as a few others that popped into my head for some reason to add. I already added a small handful but cant remember who. List of people who MAY be added by the next update, also note people are added under debut-accurate names 99% of the time so not necessarily the name listed below. TO ADD: Paul Ellering (ADDED) Ricochet (ADDED) Emi Motokawa aka Emi Sakura (ADDED) Yutzak Arafat aka Alex Abrahantes (ADDED) Rob Eckos aka Robbie E aka Mr. Stone (ADDED) Kevin Paine aka Keith Lee (ADDED) Steven Walters aka Cash Wheeler aka Dash Wilder (ADDED) KC McKnight aka Dax Harwood aka Scott Dawson (ADDED) Mascara Oriental aka Rey Fenix (ADDED) Nick Jackson (ADDED) Matt Jackson (ADDED) JC Ryder aka Fire Ant aka Orange Cassidy (ADDED) Scorpio Sky (ADDED) The Stro aka The Maestro (ADDED) Shoichi Ichimiya (ADDED) Joe Doering (ADDED) Ryota Hama (ADDED) Hartley Jackson (1999) Kevin Matthews (2000) Mikey Nicholls (2001) Pat Buck (2001) Alexander Wolfe (2001) Chuck Taylor (2002) Mike Bennett (2002) Dan Eckos (2002) Brodie Lee (2003) Andrade/Brillante Jr. (2003) Raymond Rowe (2003) Shane Matthews/Matt Menard (2003) Scott Parker/Angelo Parker (2003) Shane Haste (2003) Bryan Kelly (2003) Bandido/Eddie Orengo (2003) Wolfgang (2003) Tyler Black (2004) Wade Barrett (2004) Player Uno (2004) Nick Aldis (2004) Plazma/Trent Beretta (2004) Jinder Mahal (2004) QT Marshall (2004) Shiima Xion (2004) Johnny Gargano (2005) Tommaso Ciampa (2005) Punishment Martinez (2005) Austin Creed (2005) Dorian Deville (2005) Stupefied/Stu Grayson (2005) Brian Cage (2005) Akira Tozawa (2005) Tony Nese (2005) Michael Nakazawa (2005) Brandon Cutler (2005) Kofi Kingston (2006) Jake Hager (2006) Joe Gacy (2006) Ethan Page (2006) Ariya Daivari (2006) Vincent (2006) Pentagón Jr. (2007) Rush (2007) Jey Uso (2007) Jimmy Uso (2007) Pete Dunne (2007) Bronson Reed.Jonah Rock (2007) AR Fox (2007) Adam Cole (2008) Adam Page (2008) Miro (2008) Bo Dallas (2008) Ludwig Kaiser (2008) Bray Wyatt (2009) Roman Reigns (2010) WOMEN: FMW: AKINO (1998) Chaparita ASARI (1992) Kaori Yoneyama (1999) Misae Genki (1994) Jillian Hall (1998) Amber O'Neal (1999) Mercedes Martinez (2000) Krissy Vaine (2000) Rain (2001) MsChif (2001) Candice LeRae (2002) Sarah Stock (2002) Daizee Haze (2002) Nikki Roxx (2002) Christie Ricci (2002) Shantelle Taylor (2003) Portia Perez (2003) Josie (2003) Kana (2004) Tiana Ringer (2004) Serena (2005) Riho (2006) AJ Lee (2007) Ashley Lane (2007) Iyo Sky (2007) Dakota Kai (2007) Viper/Piper Niven (2007) Bayley (2008) Hikaru Shida (2008) Nikki Cross (2008)

Dont expect any updates for the reason I stated. Weirdly though, I opened the data just 2-days ago for the first time in 6-some odd months and added 2-or-3 workers because I was bored. The "worst" part of the data is the Broadcasters, and I really just have no interest in working on them at the moment or foreseable future. Besides that, I do consider the data "done" and any other updates are simply things I've felt like adding. If someone wants to redo broadcasters or find me a "Free to import" work done by someone else, please feel free to help. (same with Arenas) My goal with the data was to be able to play about 10-years. Thats 9-years longer then I think most saves go. Ultimately 97% of the major players in real-life WWE through the Ruthless Aggression & PG Era (2018 or so), are in the data (except all the divas) and 80% of the major indy guys for that period are there too.

For signings, the biggest most obvious one I always think basically everyone should sign with the mod is Rob Van Dam. He's not the most wrestler available (is it Curt Hennig? I'd have to check) but he's properly one of the best workers in the data.

I do "rounded" stats for 2 reasons. First, its easier/quicker. Whats Bill DeMott as a Brawler at this time? I dunno, a 60? 65? 70? Call it 65. He was good enough that it seemed like there was something there, but he never did put on classic matches, but maybe that is more how he was used... Is he a 62? Is that really different then 65? 67? Is that really different. 65 gives him the ability to fairly quickly become a proper upper-midcarder and put on quality but not world class matches. 60 would do that to. 70 likely makes him too good and able to more easily give 80-rated matches where him hanging around the 60's-to-70's (with the right opponents) seems about right. Second, ratings are so subjective so it makes both balacing easier, and instead of saying "Yea! This guy was a 62 for sure, 100% I know best." I'm instead saying "He's somewhere around here I think. You can probably agree within 5-either way in most cases." So again think of DeMott. Maybe you and others think he isnt a 65, he should be closer to a 70. Well, he basically is. Maybe you think he's worse and should be closer to 60. He basically is. Also, Now compare him to someone else. Sean O'Haire? Well at this time, O'Haire is green and learning, so he's worse, but he had sick moves and strikes. So if DeMott is a 65... 60? 55? Sounds about right. You can again argue 5-points either way, but its more of a "feeling" of a stat then an exact. The main idea (and dont get me wrong, I'm likely wrong on many cases) is most workers, at a glance, are "yea thats about right" then only upon really digging in you can maybe go. "Actually, he probably should be different here or there" And as Idol pointed out, I like to think because the "feel" is there, if you really want random numbers and to pine over "so and so is 61, and so and so is 63" as opposed to both likely just being 60, the game has that built in variance feature.

just a fyi, while this data is not dead, I recently had a major life event (new baby!) which will prevent me from really working on it for a good long while.

Just coming up to December in my WCW 2001 game, using my "Here Comes The Money" mod (check it out now!) Here's the card for WCW Starrcade and I'll break down each title/persons going ons over the last 8-months: WCW Starrcade 2001 WCW World Heavyweight Championship - Caged Heat Match Booker T vs. Diamond Dallas Page (c) - Booker T started as WCW & Shane McMahon's golden child. He defeated DDP at WCW Big Bang, its rebirth event. On the first Nitro after Big Bang, and first Nitro under Shane's ownership, Shane offered DDP a spot at the commentary table, which DDP accepted. However, DDP didnt really want to step away from the ring but did so anyway. After only a short month on the desk, DDP encouraged by Kanyon beat the living hell out of Shane McMahon decreeing he had plenty left in the tank. This led to DDP, with lots of Kanyon help, eventually defeating Shane in a match and capturing the WCW World Heavyweight title. After months battling, Booker T & DDP face off for the ultimate prize. Booker will win this and become a 5-time WCW Champion and DDP will begin to transition down the card. WCW United States Championship Rob Van Dam vs. Lance Storm (c) - The US title was vacated at Big Bang and decided in the "Big Bang Brawl" which a debuting Jesse James won. James had a short reign and was defated by Sean O'Haire (w/Don Callis) who had a slightly longer run before losing the belt in a 4-way match to Storm. RVD & Storm have been circling each other since Big Bang, not having faced off in a singles match. I purposely held RVD out of a singles run, wanting to allow a few other stars to get established as I feel RVD will get established naturally (and has), and instead debut him in a team with Tommy Dreamer and the two had a semi-lengthy Tag Team title run before losing the belts. Dreamer then gave RVD his blessing to go solo not wanting to hold him back. This match is hopefully going to be great! WCW World Cruiserweight Championship The Hurricane (c) vs. Super Crazy vs. Chavo Guerrero Jr. vs. Christopher Daniels - WCW Cruiserweight belt was around the wast of Daniels for most of the year, taking it from Helms early on. Daniels went on to "rid the earth" of 3-Count, who had reformed as faces with the help his own enforcer "V" (Viscera). Seeing his friends destroyed, Helms retired from in-ring competition to become a backstage interviewer. It was then a mysterious hero appeared, "The Hurricane" vowing to rid WCW of evil and injustice and set his sites on Daniels. He defeated Daniels last month at Mayhem for the belt and this is kind of a "get people on the card" type match. Chavo hasn't really done much besides be a midcard place holder for most of the year, and though Super Crazy debut early on, he too has not done much. WCW World Tag Team Championships Roadkill & Tommy Dreamer vs. Billy Kidman & Mike Awesome w/Torrie Wilson vs. Mark Jindrak & Shawn Stasiak w/Stacy Keibler vs. The FBI of Chuck Palumbo & Johnny Stamboli (c) w/Guido Maritato - The tag belts spent most of the last 9-months around RVD & Tommy Dreamers waists. After defeating pretty much everyone, they lost the titles to the FBI when "The Boss" Guido Maritato debut and helped the Italians win. After the match, Dreamer asked RVD to persue a singles career since he felt he was holding him back, but quickly revealed the young Roadkill as his protege and new partner, vowing to win back the gold. Palumbo & O'Haire started as tag champs, but lost the belts to RVD & Dreamer when O'Haire turned his back on his partner to go under the tutelage of Don Callis. Palumbo stayed face for a whole month when Stamboli approached him and advised him to "come back to the family" the two promptly turned heel and became top contenders. After failing to win the belts, they warned "The Boss" was coming. Guido Maritato did indeed come and has helped raise the team to new heights. Guido thus far has only been a manager but will begin his own in-ring career soon. Stasiak & Stacy again hadnt done much besides lose, Stacy revealed Jindrak as a new client and the tag team is starting to gain a tiny bit of momentum. The longer story here is that of Billy Kidman, Torrie Wilson & Mike Awesome. Mike Awesome became infatuated with Torrie, who had returned to manager her fiance Billy Kidman and began to stalk her. He eventually won her managerial services from Kidman in a ladder match. Through that he forced Torrie to go on various "business meetings" which were clearly Awesome's attempt at dates. Bowling, a movie, canoe trip. Enraged Awesome was trying to steal his love, Kidman would show up and ruin all these events. During these "dates" Torrie would try to explain what love was to an oblivious Awesome. Eventually Awesome also won Billy Kidman's contract and forced Kidman to be his partner. Kidman would refuse and do whatever he could to protect Torrie who kept getting caught in the cross-hairs of matches. Awesome began to understand love and offered to free Kidman & Torrie of their contracts as long as they stayed his friends. Kidman refused citing what Awesome had put them through and instead won his & Torrie's freedom in a final match. It was after this match however Torrie & Kidman revealed they would be Awesome's friends anyway when he protected them from the attacking duo of Jindrak & Stasiak. The angles that made this storyline SUCKED, but I loved it because I could so easily imagine all the pretaped vignettes of Awesome taking Torrie bowling, but Kidman disguising himself as a Pinhead to watch over them before attacking Awesome with a bowling pin... And the idea of Awesome being somewhat... slow... about how relationships worked and learning the value of "true love" through seeing Kidman & Torrie's relationship makes me smile. Hardcore Match Shane McMahon vs. Sean O'Haire w/Don Callis - Callis turned O'Haire on Palumbo and led O'Haire to a quick US title win. After losing the belt, Callis wanted to take his client to win the big one, but McMahon said O'Haire hadn't proved himself a top contender yet. This led to O'Haire prompltly laying out the WCW Owner, and the two entering this feud! This is kind of just a toss-in match. I wanted O'Haire to do something, but felt a 1-on-1 with D'Lo or Morrus wasnt big enough. And I wanted RVD vs. Storm as well as Booker T vs. DDP to be 1-on-1 too, so Shane was really the only "name" left. Fatal-4 Way Match D'Lo Brown vs. Hugh Morrus vs. Jesse James vs. Kanyon -Just a throw in match of the rest of the "midcard" as it were. The roster is very small and tight right now. 2002 is really the year to expand it. D'Lo is the one star I've managed to get from WWF for a reasonable price thus far. D'Lo, Morrus & James are all faces. I'm likely going to turn Morrus heel soon and rebrand him Bill DeMott and probably have him go into a storyline where he hates the "new WCW" and feels overlooked for the new talent both young and old. I imagine D'Lo or James win this one to help initiate that angle. While Kanyon is a great talent, he'll likely stick in a team with DDP and move into the tag title scene. I am hoping to steal a pretty big talent from WWF soon to come in as my top heel as DDP cant really fill that role, his matches are not good enough. And I dont feel Storm is a realistic top heel. O'Haire can be a top monster heel but I I think you need more than that. There's an outside chance I end up having to turn Booker to run RVD vs. Booker T as my top feud next year, but we will see. I feel like in a real life situation, RVD would not get booed so has to stay face, but I also feel WCW fans would be very attached to Booker and have a hard time booing him as well so I feel kind of forced into keeping them both face.

He was retired. I suppose I could add him. But he'd be retired and his stats would be useless. I edited the second post to include a large list of wrestlers who people may "miss" due to their historically accurate names. I think I take for granted I'm a mid-30's wrestling nerd who knows who guys are or were, and I've seen a few games on youtube where people dont even realize Bryan Danielson is in the data because they dont think to look for American Dragon. Speaking of people playing the data, feel free to let me know if you have a dynasty or youtube series or what not going. I enjoy seeing what people do, and its useful to see other people play for future balancing/additions. For example, I feel broadcasters need much more attention then I've given them after seeing a few games. Some Shout Outs To Some Content I've Seen: WCW: Reigniting The Fire By CactusZach (Dynasty) AuspiciousAussie (YouTube) Route 616 (YouTube) The Bookerman (YouTube)

Updated Data & Graphics posted. Some minor changes I didnt track (I may start tracking stuff going forward). The big change is I completely redid/re-balanced the Experience & Reputation stats of every single worker. EDIT: I've also updated the Fast Forward Data.

For a companies Hall of Fame, a tag team will go by the specific tag team name they have for that company, not necessarily the name they have for their non-company team. For example Edge & Christian instead of The Suicide Blondes. However, if Edge is put in the WWE hall of fame he will go in as Adam Copeland, not Edge. I think if an alter ego is 100%, it should be the name they go into the HOF with.

just a choice I made. Tajiri did sign with WWF sometime in May of 2001. Like I've said a few times I'm a glutten for punishment, specifically when playing as WCW. Having Tajiri in WWF is just another obvious signing off the block forcing me to look to different options. That said, I have been modding the data some, lots of small changes. I also added Steve Corino's Premier Wrestling Federation. I toyed with adding the Internet Wrestling Syndicate, but the information just isnt there to give it an acceptable starting roster. My next big plan I decided is to go through the data and re-balance all the reputation & experience ratings since I did not 100% understand how they worked until recently.

I read it! no need to repost. Thanks for the feedback.

Updated a 1.1 data up with the events fixed and some other (very few) small changes. Dont expect any updates soon as I just want to play the game for a bit. I will likely throw together a proper "Historical" version of the mod, meaning a non-scenario/fantasy completely "real" data. Which basically just throws all the WCW guys into the WWF.

Oh, I see. Somehow completely missed that. I wont do the Royal Rumble because then the Royal Rumble title isnt set to defend there. Same is said of King of the Ring.

RTC is basically broken up at this point. But you are right they did not officially disband until the end of May. They had walked away from Stevie, but weirdly kept the gimmick despite Stevie then disappearing from TV. I feel like when that happened is really when RTC ended, but technically I guess they didnt. For pure realism, I guess they should still be in, but without Stevie. I had made the choice to just have them broken up since they basically were. NEW RELEASE KIND OF In the first post you will see I have added what I call the "fast forward" data. Oddly, one of the reasons I tried to make this data as accurate as possible is SO many datas, if not all, from this time period tend to do a lot of "fast forwarding" I disagree with. The most obvious example is Memphis Championship Wrestling is often already gone as a developmental territory and HWA is in its place. But many also have lots of WWF stars released that really shouldnt be on top of others things. The ironic part is, I find certain fast forwards do make the game more enjoyable, to me at least. So I have released a special sub-data which I call the Fast Forward. Things Fast Forwarded Off The Top Of My Head: 1. MCW is closed. -American Dragon, Spanky, Joey Matthews, Christian York, Joey Abs & Rodrageous are all released. Dragon & Spanky have contracts with some indy companies, Abs & Rodrageous are out of the business. Victoria is moved to the main WWF roster. The rest are moved to HWA. 2. IWA is no longer a developmental territory to WWF -D'Lo is in HWA. Chaz is released. Tiger Ali Singh & Russ McCullough have left the business. Gangrel is still with IWA, but not under a dev-deal. Pete Gas is a free agent, but still active (as he is the only MSP member to stay active initially after the release, and I personally LOVE hiring him since he's Shane's IRL friend to use as a jobber) 3. HWA is a developmental company for WWF. -They have most MCW leftovers, D'Lo Brown, Val Venis & Stevie Richards. 4. Right To Censor are fully broken up. Venis & Stevie are in HWA, Buchanan OVW. Ivory is still on the main roster. Goodfather is back to Godfather and on hiatus. 5. AJPW Pro-Wrestling Love is live! -Keiji Muto is in AJPW and their CEO & Booker. Baba is out of the business. Kojima & Kashin have jumped to AJPW. All three still have 6-month loaner deals with NJPW, but will expire in 6-months. Choshu is no longer booker of NJPW. I mate Fujinami the booker, I cant 100% figure out who took over the book once Choshu was ousted for being blamed for Muto & Friends jumping to AJPW. So feel free to try it if you want. It is worth saying, to be kind of a prick. I do not care about input on what I have or have not fast forwarded. I literally just do this because its how I enjoy playing longer-time-commitment saves. This is actually the best example of what I mean when I tell people to modify my data and play a version they like, as this is basically what this is for me. And since I do this, I might as well release it. So you modify my data... might as well release it.

the NJPW and WWE ones are on purpose. WWF events go dormant and are replaced by WWE ones. NJPW, I wanted WrestleKingdom to show up in-name despite by butterfly effect rule so it shows up in 2005 while wrestling world will go dormant then. The rest are mistakes. Thanks!

Its an injury that can be worked through and is the injury that he had that (arguably) helped lead to his lackluster WWE run.

Thoughts & FAQs Real History Info Dump - Why WCW Ended The Way It Did & Why The Invasion Was Always Going To Suck No Matter How You Want To Fantasy Book: Despite everyone thinking they could have done the Invasion better or thinking WWF should have kept WCW alive, the ultimate truth is how it played out was really the only way it could have played out. At least from a talent POV. First and foremost, WWF could and would have never been able to bring in Hogan, Nash, Flair & Goldberg to name a few, but even some other stars. They had guaranteed contracts with Time Warner. How WWF actually acquired the talent it did acquire was 1 of 2 ways. The obvious one was simply telling Time Warner to give them the contract and they would honour everything in it. From what I can tell, that was not the case with many talent based on listening to many interviews.. Way 2, the talent accepts a release from their Time Warner contract, effectively walking away from it mutually, and WWF signs them to a new deal. This is how WWF actually acquired the 30-some odd wrestlers they did. Booker T, DDP & Bagwell were notable examples of talent who would have made very good, if not better, money sitting on their asses, but accepted buy outs to instead go to WWF. Pretty much all the big names were unwilling to do that. Hogan was plenty comfortable sitting on his ass and getting millions of dollars. Its arguable in two cases I came across of talent that would have maybe taken the buyout, but otherwise didnt. Jeff Jarrett & Rey Mysterio. Jarrett simply wasnt wanted. So why would he walk away from the deal. Mysterio was going to, but Jim Ross told him to stay home and heal, and that it would be better for his career. "But WWF should have just taken on the big contracts of Hogan, Goldberg, ect, because it would have been so cool and made the invasion better." Okay... You are Steve Austin getting 1.5 million a year. Now Hulk Hogan walks into YOUR locker room making 3.5 million a year with creative control and every other clause in his deal. No house shows, better event bonuses. What would Steve Austin do? Undertaker? Rock? Every single loyal WWF employee would be slapped in the face by Hogan, Nash & Goldberg not to mention others walking in and not only now making a LOT more then them, but now WWF has their incentive-laden contracts to deal with. "WWF should have just waited for the deals to expire since most guys showed up by 2002 anyway." There is an argument to be made for that. But then you are also effectively putting WCW "on-ice" for a year or more. Its dangerous. And further, what ended up happening is most of the big talent often named actually had many years on their contract. What ended up happening in 2002, is TimeWarner went to those stars on a contract-by-contract basis and negotiated their own buyout. So instead of before where talent had to simply walk away and not make a time, TimeWarner went to each star and negotiated a buy out. A made up example, they go to Hogan who has 3-years at 3.5 million a year left on his deal. They offer to pay him 7 million right now to kill the contract immediately, thus saving them money in the long run, but instantly giving Hogan 7 million dollars while then also allowing him to pursue certain things he couldnt while under a deal. Like signing with WWE. So he takes the 7, then signs with WWF for 2 million a year for 3-years. Hogan would have been able to say "no thanks" too, but didnt. I dont know who ended up doing what, but that's just an example. WWE had no idea when these things would happen so its not like Flair or Hogan becoming available when they did was a guarantee they could build towards. "WWF should have gotten a new WCW TV show or turned one of their shows into a WCW show to keep it going and build new stars until the old ones could come back or something" They tried! First, networks didnt want it for a price that would make it affordable with large contracts that would be needed to support it. Second, in America, WWE had an exclusive deal with Viacom who didnt want any new wrestling programming, let alone WCW. The network wouldn't let them turn RAW, SmackDown!, or Heat into WCW. Viacom DID throw WWF a bone and offer them a Saturday night slot, from 11PM to 1AM and for a time WWF did consider doing it. Whether it was the Bagwell vs. Booker disaster that ultimately killed it or not, is to be argued. I would contend, the most realistic way ever that WCW would have gone on is if WWF had put it on TNN at that time slot, but who knows what would have happened to it then. The timeslot later became Velocity for 1-hour and Confidential (that Mean Gene hosted insider kind of show) for 1-hour. Besides the Invasion happening as it did, what is the most realistic way WCW could have gone? Just my opinion, though I have outside this data really tried to research this point in wrestling history a lot. The ultimate most realistic way May 2001-on could have played out, without it being what actually happened, is if WWF kept WCW alive as a sub-brand with that 11PM-1AM time slot on TNN. How WWF would or could have made it a viable brand, is way to hard to say. Either way the WCW roster would have needed to been boosted and/or expanded. Booker, DDP, Bagwell and to a lesser extent Lance Storm could not headline a brand. Whether that came through an ECW invasion of WCW. Guys like RVD/Dreamer/Sabu/Tajiri/Corino/Super Crazy/Sandman/Roadkill/Doring just being signed to be WCW without an invasion. Developmental guys being brought up early (I still think most were too green). WWF stars being moved over. Or something else. I do think a WCW brand would have needed a handful of names to join it from WWF. All the Radicalz, Jericho or Big Show are obvious choices because they are still "WCW-ish." I also believe there is a chance had WWF kept WCW as a brand, Rey would have come in sooner for sure. So an interesting diary for someone to make could be playing as WWF with WCW as a sub-brand and then holding off on an invasion for a year and a bit until the "big names" can show up. Or after a year of turning WCW around, then pretending Viacom would have allowed RAW or SmackDown to be turned into a WCW show. Part of my own head cannon about WCW at this time is guys like D'Lo Brown, Mark Henry, Chaz, Some pieces of the Right to Censor, would all have been semi-obvious candidates to move to WCW had this happened. Hayabusa Isnt Hurt Yet! I just like to point out Hayabusa is not yet hurt in May 2001. His career ending injury happened in October 2001. Its just a nice thing I like to point out as Hayabusa is/was amazing and still only 32 in 2001 so could be a very important worker. There's no user characters? I dont like user characters. Most people tend to just make themselves dont they? And I wasnt going to put myself in a data I released. And I was 14 in 2001. Feel free to add your own. If you read my many walls of text, you'll see I actually made this data intending people play as Shane McMahon himself. But you could play as anyone or make yourself. Fun fact: when doing sims to just see how the data is behaving (simulating anywhere from 1-month to 20-years) I usually would pick David Arquette as a user character and thats half the reason he's in the data. And for some reason when I dont pick Arquette I pick Larry Sharpe. I dont know why. Chris Benoit & Other Pitiful Workers I feel its worth mentioning. I always end up setting Benoit to deceased in my games, usually through the in-game editor. I cant stand what he did despite being such a fan of his wrestling career. The sad truth is there are a lot of wrestlers who have done some really rotten things, but Benoit takes the cake. I am often conflicted about how to include, or even if I should include certain workers in data. For example, Rob Feinstein will not be in the data since he really isnt that important. Where is Darby Allin or *insert other worker who only became relevant in the last 5-years*? Let's all be honest. Most of us play games for a handful of years tops and then restart or try something else. I was not, and am not, going to spend 100's of hours making wrestlers who debut or became relevant only very recently into the data. For now, I'm using the soft rule of 2005 debuts or earlier as people I'm interested in adding. Since that will arguably keep the data more then populated for people who do wish to play 20-year saves. It is worth mentioning the data now can last that long since retirements never seem to happen enough. I'm not sure why that is. but people just dont retire as often as they do in real wrestling. So many indy guys give up have 3-6 years of not going anywhere. But guys just love holding on in this one. I personally always get annoyed at the Mean Street Posse having such long illustrious careers usually. List Of Wrestlers In The Data You May Not Notice If You Are Not A Historian Afa Jr. (Manu) American Dragon (Bryan Danielson) Angel Williams (Angelina Love) Apocalypse (Viktor of the Ascension) Astro Boy (Mistico / Sin Cara) Bobby Rude (Bobby Roode) Brad Bradley (Jay Bradley/Aiden O'Shea/Ryan Braddock) Carly Colon (Carlito) Chaz (Headbanger Mosh) Cliff Compton (Domino) Cody Steele (Cody Deaner/Deaner) Cyrus (Don Callis) Dalip Singh (Great Khali) Devon Storm (Crowbar) Dos Caras Jr. (Alberto Del Rio) Double C (Claudio Castagnoli) Eddie Colon (Primo) Ekmo (Jamal/Umaga) Eric Alexander (Eric Escobar) Gene Snisky (Snitsky) Glenn Gilberti (Disco Inferno/Disqo) Hardkore Kidd (Jesus/Aaron Aguilera) Harry Smith (David Hart Smith/Davey Boy Smith Jr.) Horshu (Luther Reigns) Hotstuff Hernandez (Hernandez) Joey Matthews (Joey Mercury) Johnny Curtis (Fandango/Dirty Dango) Jon Heidenreich (Heidenreich) Keiji Sakoda (Sakoda) Ken Anderson (Ken Kennedy/Mr. Kennedy/Mr. Anderson) Kenn Phoenix (Kenn Doane/Kenny/Kenny Dykstra) Kenta Kobyashi (KENTA) Kid Kruel (Mike Kruel) Kimo (Rosey) LA Par-K (La Parka) Mafia (Dan Maff) Magnus Maximus (Bam Neely) MATT (Matt Sydal/Evan Bourne) Michael Shane (Matt Bentley) Nelson Knight (Mabel/Viscera/Big Daddy V) Nicho el Millonario (Psicosis) Nick Dinsmore (Eugene) Nova (Simon Dean) Nuevo Gran Apolo (Apolo/El Leon) Pepper Parks (Braxton Sutter/The Blade) Pierre Carl Ouellet (PCO) Pinoy Boy (Puma/TJ Perkins/TJP) Prince Justice (Abyss) Ray Gordy (Jesse) Redd Dogg (Rodney Mack) Ricky Banderas (El Mesias/Mil Muertes) Seven (Mordecai/Kevin Thorn) Shadow (Dallas/Lance Hoyt/Vance Archer/Lance Archer) Solo Snuka (Deuce) Spanky (Brian Kendrick) Sterling James Keenan (Corey Graves) The Prototype (John Cena) Todd Hanson (Handsome Johnny/Hanson/Ivar) Trevor Rhodes (Trevor Murdoch) Vinne Valentino (Gunnar Scott/Brent Albright) Alexis Laree (Mickie James) Kyra (Melina) La Felina (Gail Kim) Nattie Neidhart (Natalya) Nikita (Katie Lea Burchill/Winter) Wrestlers Who Debut Who You May Not Notice If You Are Not A Historian Antonio Banks (Montel Vontavious Porter/MVP) Big Van Walter (WALTER/Gunther) Britani Knight (Paige/Saraya) Chad Allegra (Karl Anderson) Chas Betts (Chad Gable) Chris Mordetzky (Chris Masters/Chris Adonis) Da Beast (Shad Gaspard) Deuce (Shaun Ricker/Eli Drake/LA Knight) Drew Galloway (Drew McIntyre) Drew Gulak (Soldier Ant) El Generico (Sami Zayn) Fergal Devitt (Prince Devitt/Finn Balor) Heath Miller (Heath Slater) Jerk Jackson (Bobby Fish) Joe Riot (Martin Stone/Danny Burch) Johnny Geo Basco (Santino Marella) Johnny Onyx (Johnny Nitro/John Morrison/Johnny Everything) Jon Moxley (Dean Ambrose) Mark Magnus (Muhammad Hassan) Mike Mizanin (The Miz) Moralez (Dave Mastiff) Naofumi Yamamoto (Yoshi Tatsu) Nick Nemeth (Nicky/Dolph Ziggler) Nikki (Sara Del Rey) Rebecca Knox (Becky Lynch) Rex Steiner (Bron Breakker) Shawn Spears (Tye Dillinger) Sheamus O'Shaunessy (Sheamus) Spud (Drake Maverick) Tommy End (Aleister Black/Malakai Black) Uhaa Nation (Apollo Crews) Barbie Blank (Kelly Kelly) Victoria Crawford (Alicia Fox)

Here Comes The Money - 2001 It's May 2001, and a McMahon has purchased WCW. Shane McMahon! This mod was made to try and best simulate the most realistic, but still fantasy scenario of a "What if..." for WCW in 2001. Shane McMahon now owns WCW. But there is no fantasy-based familial strife between Vince & Shane. Shane simply wanted the opportunity to build his own legacy and has purchased WCW with his father's blessing to help achieve it. The other catch is the WCW that Shane acquires is very much based on the Invasion angle and what wrestlers were in it, so its a very thin star-lacking roster. The mod is built and intended for you to play as Shane himself and do whatever you think Shane could or would have done to make WCW successful again. The data is meant to be as realistic as possible. WCW exists, but only the stars that WWF had available are there. So no Hogan, Flair, Goldberg, Nash, Steiner, Jarrett and many other big names. Booker T, DDP & Bagwell are your big names. Lance Storm, Kanyon, Hugh Morrus, Mike Awesome & Shawn Stasiak are really your core behind them. Who is availible on the free agent market? There's a lot of up-and-coming indy stars who are not quite ready. Scott Hall is in Japan, but brings baggage. A few other WCW and WWF guys like BG James, Glenn Gilbertti, Konnan, The Road Warriors, Juventud Guerrera, Psicosis, La Parka & Crowbar, are available. And there's some ECW refugees left in Sandman, Tommy Dreamer, Steve Corino and the no-brainer Rob Van Dam. Or maybe you'll find that diamond in the rough. Maybe you disagree with some choices. Using the basic principle of the realistic handcuffs WWF had, I can assure you most of my choices are right. However, I do agree someone like Jeff Jarrett would have accepted a buyout to keep working, but his heat with the McMahon family prevents it in this scenario. But feel free to use the editor yourself. The other big one is Rey Mysterio Jr. He was actually going to take a contract buy out as well, but Jim Ross convinced him to sit out the contract and heal up, and WWF would come knocking at a much better time for him. Jim Ross was right. But he's another guy who would in a realistic scenario maybe be with the new WCW right away. Active Companies (37): USA (20): All Pro Wrestling - Combat Zone Wrestling - Heartland Wrestling Association - International Wrestling Association - IPW Hardcore Wrestling - IWA Mid-South - Jersey All Pro Wrestling - Memphis Championship Wrestling - NWA Florida - NWA Wildside - Ohio Valley Wrestling - Premier Wrestling Federation - Steel Domain Wrestling - Turnbuckle Championship Wrestling - Ultimate Pro Wrestling - USA Pro Wrestling - World Championship Wrestling - World Wrestling Council - World Wrestling Federation - Xtreme Pro Wrestling Canada (3): Border City Wrestling - Extreme Canadian Championship Wrestling - Stampede Wrestling Mexico (3): AAA - Consejo Mundial de Lucha Libre - Toryumon Mexico British Isles (1): Frontier Wrestling Alliance Japan (11): All Japan Pro Wrestling - All Japan Women's Pro-Wrestling - Big Japan Pro Wrestling - Dramatic Dream Team - Frontier Martial-Arts Wrestling - Michinoku Pro Wrestling - New Japan Pro-Wrestling - Osaka Pro Wrestling - Pro Wrestling NOAH - Pro Wrestling ZERO-ONE - Toryumon Japan To Open Companies (27): Absolute Intense Wrestling - CHIKARA Pro - CPW International - Deep South Wrestling - Dragon Gate Pro-Wrestling - Fighting Of World Japan Pro-Wrestling - Full Impact Pro - House Of Glory - House Of Hardcore - IMPACT Wrestling - IPW United Kingdom - IWA East Coast - Major League Wrestling - NWA Europe - Pro Wrestling Guerrilla - Pro Wrestling IRON - Pro Wrestling Unplugged - Pro Wrestling WORLD-1 - Pro-Pain Pro Wrestling - Pure Wrestling Association - Revolution Pro Wrestling - Ring Of Honor - Sendai Girls Pro-Wrestling - SHIMMER Women Athletes - World Wrestling All-Stars - Wrestle-1 - Wrestling Marvelous Future Active Workers: 1245 To Debut Workers: 121 This can be considered the official release of HCTM. While the data will NEVER be complete, there will always be things to add or modify, I'd hate to simply sit on it forever. I will likely shortly also release 2-other quick edits of the data. 1 will be a "Real World" mod. Which is effectively just the mod as it is, but made "real" by having WCW bought out by WWF and all the appropriate changes. The second will be a version of the data I usually play. As much as I like realism, there are certain "fast forwards" as I call them I find make datas around this time more enjoyable although obviously less realistic. Major examples are Keiji Muto taking over AJPW early with Kojima & Kashin following, the other is MCW being shut down and HWA already being a dev-territory for WWF, but there are other more subtle changes. HCTM 1.2 Data HCTM 1.2 Fast Forward Data This data has some minor changes that "fast forward" certain real life events, that I find sometimes makes the data more enjoyable. Notable examples: MCW is already closed and HWA is a developmental territory for WWF. Keiji Muto has taken over AJPW and Kojima/Kashin have joined him. And a smattering of other small things. This is the data I actually prefer playing and I am not looking for any input on what I have or havent "fast forwarded." But please feel free to point out obvious errors or overall corrections if you play this instead of the base data HCTM 1.2 Graphics Also, same rules apply to my data(s) that always do. Please for the love of god, use them as a base to modify your own data and release it. More brains, more people, more data for all is a good thing. My only rule is if you do use my data to make your own thing and release it, let people modify it and release their own version of your data. Share-train. If you disagree with my data. Fantastic. See the note above. While I do appreciate constructive criticism, dont think I will change stuff to suit your wants/desires/opinions. Ultimately this data is my wants/desires/opinions. This is why I emphasize the above point so much. We all have access to the same editor and same internet for research, if you dont like mods, you can improve them! Want to help? I could ALWAYS use help with graphics. I am useless with them. I dont understand how the gif graphics work, I dont know any of that stuff. If you think you can help make better graphics or worker pictures please make me some! I only ask for worker pictures that the pictures be as accurate to the year/age as possible. I'd rather have blurry pictures that are correct for the year/age then pristine pictures that are 3-5-10 years in the future from the actual year it should be.

Currently for a TV show, your options are to either put on a TV show or Tour Highlights. But there exists two other options not really used. First: Highlight Show. I'm assuming this has been suggested before and shot down as its kind of useless. And I king of agree. How would one even quantify what is on a highlight show to justify its ratings/cost/revenue. If you could pick, why not just pick all your best stuff over and over? Its likely too complicated of a system to worry about adding, even though it exists. Second: Pieced Together from Events Show. Lots of small indy companies end up with TV shows on local tv stations. Maybe its not worth simulating, but I think it is. The truth is most of these companies get paid very little or next to nothing to do these show. Maybe a few hundred dollars to maybe $1000 a show, which goes into production costs most of the time. However, what a lot of companies do is a version of "tour highlights" where a TV show is pieced together matches from their last event or two. ROH had a tv show early on that did just this. Maybe this could be implemented? A system often used my small or less companies only, an "Event Recap" instead of "tour highlights". There could be strict penalties on this. For example, you need to run an event every 4-weeks (a month) or you run out of content to "showcase" the revenue would be non-existent, $1000 maybe, but there would be a small small chance of a small popularity boost with each show. Like 1-2 points at most. As someone who has seen that side of wrestling, its not uncommon to see people come to an indy show for a first time and mention they saw it on the local network and realized there was wrestling in town to take their kid too, aka popularity boost.

LAST UPDATE IN THIS THREAD EVER I PROMISE THIS TIME: I added DDT to Japan. I wanted too add Ibushi as a future worker, and figured DDT needed to exist too so I added DDT. I intend to flesh out some future workers (not that entire list above but a couple handfuls) and maybe play with some TV networks too. Update should be in a week or three. Do not ask.

I think familial relationships can be so complicated, you either need to make due with what the game has already (which is pretty possible) or go far more extreme and pull familial relationships right out of the relationships all together and add "Family Trees" as its own area. You could then far more accurately keep track of what relationships actually are, including marriage/divorce/step/adopted/sibling/cousin/ect. You could then even set each "bond" with its own unique Positive or Negative attribute to help determine how workers would react to certain things. The problem is, any system that I think can accurately map/simulate/keep track of how confusing and branching a family tree can be is certainly a massive coding nightmare and time sync. I dobut one that is worth it.

I know this one is maybe a stretch, but I've been thinking about it a long time, so might as well throw it out there. 2-part suggestion. PART 1: The Base Idea I think companies should have a "Preferred Workers" list. Its a simple list set on the company page or whatever in the editor. This list could literally be empty, or possibly have hundreds of entries. The list is simply workers the company would "prefer" to hire if not already hired, and able to hire. When a company decides it needs to hire workers, it would automatically go to the list. To avoid companies ONLY hiring off the list, a random chance could happen. For examples sake, 50/50. It either pulls from the list, then pulls the most suited hire, or it pulls from the entire available pool of workers (like it would now) which also technically would include any available workers on the list. Further, companies, or owners, could possibly have a slider that shows how likely they are to go to the preferred list vs the free agent pool. A person more in favour could maybe go up to a 75% chance, where you could have a complete "does not care" where it defaults to 0 and the list becomes redundant. The list COULD evolve over time. Based on tenure, or relationships. A worker leaving a company on a written deal may have a higher chance at dropping off the list. I'm note 100% sure how possible this is, or what variables would effect stuff, but it does not need to be a static list. Though maybe its easier if it is. Why do this? I think it can help simulate the world of wrestling a bit better. Often enough, especially on the indy scene, wrestlers come and go from a company, but always return. Plenty of companies are more likely to hire certain people simply because who they are. I think relationships can simulate this (will owners/bookers hire friends? They should) but I also feel this idea helps expand that possibility while not requiring each worker to have 100-relationships. For example, Jimmy Yang. Was fired and hired by the WWE 3 times. At one point, somewhat famously, Vince didnt even realize he wasnt employed when he saw him visiting backstage and basically hired him on the spot. Jimmy Yang being on a "preferred" list could help simulate this, even though I doubt very often he would have been the obvious hire from TEW-AI point of view. You can obviously take this idea and apply it to indy companies very easily. There could be a cap on "preferred list" size to help things not bog down in simulating. PART 2: New Companies In a similar idea, a brand new company set to open could have a "preferred list" set in the data. So when the company opens, day 1, it would automatically try to pull off the preferred list for potential hires. This would REALLY help mod-making in my mind, as it would really help simulate real world mods. Having ROH/PWG/AEW open in-game with preferred hires would be a game changer to me at least for mod making. Even if this idea is made on its own, implemented as a unique "Possible Starting Roster" list, I just think it would be so useful. It could also help, somewhat, simulate wrestling Exoduses which happen in Japan & Mexico semi-regularly but are a disaster to try and implement I understand. This is kind of a nice middle ground. DEFAULT DATA: I do think this could also help immersion in the Cornellverse as well. Its fairly easy to see the benefits of world building this could provide there as well. I usually think of real world data's, as thats my main interest, but I think its important to keep in mind any features positive/negative-effect or usefullness with the default data.

LAST UPDATE BEFORE RELEASE: Mexico is "done", meaning AAA, CMLL & Toryumon Mexico. I went through and adjusted a bunch of random stuff across the world, mostly cosmetic stuff. I also decided to give the UK & Europe some love. So Europe will be active, but I think there are like 6-workers there (Hello Claudio!) And UK now has FWA in a better state and all their workers balanced. The big thing I'm doing before releasing the data is making sure "vital" workers for 2001-2005 are in the data. Vital meaning workers who debut in that team and had a notable impact in a major company (WWE, AEW, TNA, ROH, the big Japan companies) Most are people who debut between 2001-2005, but there are a few guys who are already wrestling. Its also worth noting MOST that would be on this list are already in the data, even added recently, but this is the current list I'm working through, no guarnatee they all amke it (for now): TO ADD: MVP/Antonio Banks Nick Nemeth Bobby Lashley Sterling James Keenan Mark Magnus Karl Anderson Shaun Ricker Da Beast/Shad Gaspard Neighborhoodie/JTG Elijah Burke Aron Stevens Mustafa Ali Raymond Rowe Ryan O'Reilly Mike Mondo Cliff Compton Antonio Thomas Romeo Roselli Caylen Croft Pat Buck Kevin Matthews Tank Toland Luke Gallows Hirooki Goto Naofumi Yamamoto/Yoshi Tatsu Ryusuke Taguchi Toru Yano Yujiro Takahashi Katsuhiko Nakajima Suwama Akebono Taichi Kazushi Miyamoto Kazuchika Okada Taiji Ishimori Shingo Takagi BxB Hulk Naoki Tanizaki Akira Tozawa Go Shiozaki Kotaro Suzuki Jay Lethal Bobby Fish Davey Richards Kyle O'Reilly Eddie Edwards Delirious Roderick Strong Matt Jackson Nick Jackson Ryan Drago/Simon Gotch Brandon Cutler Human Tornado Brodie Lee Colin Olsen Jimmy Olsen Scorpio Sky KC McKnight/Dax Harwood Steven Walters/Cash Wheeler Player Uno Stupified Keith Lee QT Marshall Mike Bennett Chuck Taylor Trent Beretta Julius Smokes Azrieal Deranged MASADA M-Dogg 20 Josh Prohibition Joe Doering Shawn Spears Xtremo (July 31, 1984) Jagged/Scott Parker Shane Matthews Fergal Devitt Drew Galloway Sheamus Paul Burchill Zack Sabre Jr. Pac Tommy End WALTER Alex Koslov El Hijo del Fantasma La Sombra/Andrade WOMEN: Rebecca Knox Britani Knight Sara Del Rey Sarah Stock Melina Awesome Kong Candice LeRae Mercedes Martinez Jillian Hall Shantelle Taylor Talia Madison Danyah Rays (Feb 24, 1982) Kana/Asuka Emi Sakura Trinity Tenille Dashwood DIVA SEARCH

It would be nice (for mod making) to allow the "agers" to also effect the size, build & hair of a wrestler. A simple menu for each selection. It could be cool too if a week before every ager, you could get a notification "So-And-So Has informed you they are going to change their look." You can then ask them not too and a personality check can happen. This could STOP an ager applying all together, or they change it anyway and you can be forced to react (yell at, suspend, do nothing, ect), You could revamp the ager tab all together into "Worker Changes" where alt-pics of workers can be stored for any change. Be it age (like an ager) or getting their head shaved, or changing their body style. So if a worker gets their head shaved, it will check the "Worker Change" database and if there is a matching picture, it will use it. You could maybe set age-ranges or set to "doesnt matter" too.

A ramble about Toryumon: Trying to wrap my head around what to do with Toryumon Japan & Mexico. As of this moment I have Toryumon Japan (Toryumon) and Toryumon Mexico (UDG). I gave Mexico the UDG intials because Toryumon Mex seemed clunky too me, I'll refer to it as UDG from here on out. UDG seemed to have a very random sporadic schedule. Toryumon 2000 Project opened in late 2001 in Japan and lots of UDG guys got most of their early experience there. I toyed with the idea of simply making UDG into T2P, but I wanted to have UDG in Mexico. And it seemed to take too much liberty with "realism" that I wasnt comfortable with. Either making UDG as T2P and keeping it in Mexico or having T2P opened early. I specifically avoided the "fast forward" of Memphis Championship Wrestling & HWA for the seam realism reason. I also toyed with making UDG a developmental company. However, I found it led to Toryumon hiring a bunch of luchadores to dev contracts then nearly immediately calling them up to their main roster. Which I also didnt like. So I decided to simply use excursions instead to represent the Ultimo-trained people. Everyone is set to have a 2-year excursion for now to keep UDG with talent and not just have them, immediately, turn into a random Mexican indy fed filled up with Luchadors. The trade off is all the students wont migrate over to Japan for 2-years. The issue I see with using excursions for existing workers, is new graduates will be signed to Toryumon then, only hopefully, be sent to UDG on excursions. I cant think of a better way to do things at the moment. Toryumon Mexico Roster as of This Moment: (Anyone not marked with a (E) is on a very short-term, on loan deal for 3-months and sometimes less appearances) Apolo Dantes Atlantis Bestia Salvage Big Fuji Blue Panthers Brazo de Oro CIMA Fuerza Guerrera Jun Ogaqauchi (E) Junya Fukumasa (E) Kinta Tomoaka (E) Masato Yoshino (E) Milano Collection AT (E) Mototsugu Shimizu (E) Nitohei Oyanagai (E) Raimu Mishima (E) Ricky Marvin Second Doi (E) Shuji Kondo (E) Skayde (Booker) SUWA Takamichi Iwasa (E) Takashi Okamura (Owner) Takayuki Mori (E) Takayuki Yagi (E) TARU Touru Owashi (E) Ultimo Dragon Vampiro Villano III Yasushi Tsujimoto (E) Notable exceptions to the "short term" rule are Takashi Okamura, Skayde & Ultimo Dragon. I decided to make Ultimo owner & booker of Toryumon, and in turn make Okamura owner of UDG with Skayde the booker. I didnt want to inflate Skayde's stats enough to the point if you make him owner/booker he doesnt hire a different booker, and felt this was a good compromise. Okamura is set to only be a Road Agent with UDG despite being an Occassional worker for Toryumon. Fuji, CIMA, SUWA, and TARU are on short term deals. UDG has no proper titles. They do have the Young Dragons Cup, and I added the Yamaha Cup and its active so their will be a 2002 Cup, although it didnt return until 2003 IRL.