mistaken Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 So Dark Night got crapped on again. the biggest movie in a decade can't even get a best picture or best director nod. Oh Heath will win the Oscar just like he won the globe, and right fully so. BUT the movie as a whole continues to be over looked by the wider critical circles, despite smaller groups picking it as picture of the year (producers', directors' and writers' guilds) It just burns my @ss some times that great movies get over looked because the elite don't like the genre they are from. Wall*e and Tropic thunder should have been in there too. Benjamin Button is an insomniacs dream! It's boring, and to be honest gross. (don't want to see an aging midget with a young woman, or an old woman hitting on a kid.) those scenes on the internet would have the feds knocking on your door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Self Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Awards are always skewed in the favour of serious movies. If it wasn't for Ledger's death, I doubt his Joker would even get a look in for Best Supporting just because his character didn't have any 'emotional' scenes. Gloriously fun performances (like Jack Sparrow, the most captivatingly original movie character in recent history) are tragically overlooked, but that's the way the game is played. If movies like Button or even, sad to say it, The Wrestler, didn't win awards, no one would bother going to see them. Dark Knight doesn't need any help in that regard. It was fun. It made a ton of money. Joker was a gleeful performance. It doesn't need a golden statue to prove it was a success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistaken Posted January 22, 2009 Author Share Posted January 22, 2009 maybe it can borrow an award from the only movie abve it on the all time charts, (Titanic). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmoe Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 <p>Yeah, I hear what you're saying. I thought the Dark Knight was one of the most thought provoking, brilliantly directed films I have ever seen, and probably my favourite film since I saw it for the first time. It does annoy me how every film that gets nominations are all the 'Benjamin Button' type films. Don't get me wrong, Milk, Slumdog and Frost/Nixon probably deserve to be there, but there's no way The Dark Knight should have been left out due to its 'superhero' movie status. Anyone realises that it was much, much more than a simple superhero flick.</p><p> </p><p> /Rant.</p><p> </p><p> On another note, if Heath Ledger doesn't win (and regardless of his death, I think his performance deserves it), there should be riots. Finally, go Mickey Rourke!</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Self Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 <p>Titanic was a freak. An award-style movie that people wanted to see. Over and over and over again. It's the exception that proves the rule.</p><p> </p><p> Although didn't Lord of The Rings also wins awards?</p><p> </p><p> Bottom line The Dark Knight had Christian Bale in a rubber suit. I remember watching Batman Begins in a crowded theatre, and when Bale is first shown in the Batsuit (I believe sneaking up on some thug) me and my buddy burst out laughing. It looked so f'n ridiculous. Real good movie. Up to that point I was totally into the story, but then... <em>"Oh yeah. He's Batman.</em>"</p><p> </p><p> I would have had it nominated though.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CQI13 Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 <p>I didn't get an Oscar vibe from Dark Knight. Not for movie at least. Heath, I think so, but I am perhaps factoring his death. Even so, he did a brilliant job with the role where it was the Joker, not Heath Ledger playing The Joker.</p><p> </p><p> It's always been that way though. The Truman Show deserved at least a nomination, but oh that's right it's Jim Carrey, he can't act in a serious movie. Please. It got robbed. It happens.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthefunkchris Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 <p>Batman Begins was a good movie, probably the best for what it was. The awards always go for tear jerker's, Forest Gumps, or Philadelphia Story types. That's what the people there relate to, because that's their world (fantasy and real). So things like little hobbits weeping will win awards.</p><p> </p><p> Want to win an award, you make a movie about a man that acts like a woman (emotionally), or a brain damaged man that does brilliant things. Make a tear jerker about someone that has an uncurable ailment, where the theme is they will for sure die by the end of the movie... A person stranded somewhere for an extended period of time, and goes crazy, etc... Or re-make a classic, and add alot more emotion to it. Example's would be King Arthur, Robin Hood, or any number of Greek lore leader's.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACCBiggz Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="djthefunkchris" data-cite="djthefunkchris" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="21226" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Batman Begins was a good movie, probably the best for what it was. The awards always go for tear jerker's, Forest Gumps, or Philadelphia Story types. That's what the people there relate to, because that's their world (fantasy and real). So things like little hobbits weeping will win awards.<p> </p><p> Want to win an award, you make a movie about a man that acts like a woman (emotionally), or a brain damaged man that does brilliant things. Make a tear jerker about someone that has an uncurable ailment, where the theme is they will for sure die by the end of the movie... A person stranded somewhere for an extended period of time, and goes crazy, etc... Or re-make a classic, and add alot more emotion to it. Example's would be King Arthur, Robin Hood, or any number of Greek lore leader's.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I am dumber for having read all of that.</p><p> </p><p> And the bottom line for those to have seen the nominated movies... The Dark Knight does not deserve to be nominated for Best Picture. Very good movie, not on that level though.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilts Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Shmoe" data-cite="Shmoe" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="21226" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>....I thought the Dark Knight was one of the most thought provoking, brilliantly directed films I have ever seen....</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Ummm....what exactly did you think was thought provoking?</p><p> Just a few recent films that I thought were far more thought provoking.</p><p> 1. Rendition</p><p> 2. Seven Pounds</p><p> 3. Changeling</p><p> 4. The Wrestler</p><p> 5. The Boy in the Striped Pajamas</p><p> </p><p> The only thoughts I had about the Dark Knight was what a shame about Heath Ledger....</p><p> </p><p> Oh well, I guess each to their own.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistaken Posted January 22, 2009 Author Share Posted January 22, 2009 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="wilts" data-cite="wilts" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="21226" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Ummm....what exactly did you think was thought provoking?<p> Just a few recent films that I thought were far more thought provoking.</p><p> 1. Rendition</p><p> 2. Seven Pounds</p><p> 3. Changeling</p><p> 4. The Wrestler</p><p> 5. The Boy in the Striped Pajamas</p><p> </p><p> The only thoughts I had about the Dark Knight was what a shame about Heath Ledger....</p><p> </p><p> Oh well, I guess each to their own.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> all great movies</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ACCBiggz" data-cite="ACCBiggz" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="21226" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I am dumber for having read all of that.<p> </p><p> And the bottom line for those to have seen the nominated movies... The Dark Knight does not deserve to be nominated for Best Picture. Very good movie, not on that level though.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> but the front runner is on my worst movie of the year list, Benjamin Button is junk.</p><p> </p><p> Dark Knight is the best movie of the year, is it a pop corn movie HELL YES! is it more, most definitely it is an action movie that transcends to social commentary just like Batman Begins. It is more than the years tent pole money maker, it was an epic, with an outstanding performance/character in the Joker as Pure Manic Evil, rather than mobster run amuck.</p><p> </p><p> Dark Knight went beyond Hero's in Rubber suits, and villains in spandex, it was deep commentary on the hand basket to hell many big cities are currently in.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmoe Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 <p>It was thought provoking, at least to me, in the sense of the idealogy of the Joker character, the choices that a person has to make (Batman giving it up for a woman, passing on his mantle to Dent), the one event that caused Harvey Dent's fall from grace and how fragile a person's state of mind can be in drastic situations, amongst other things. Plus, you can hardly say that the direction of Christopher Nolan isn't at least worthy of a nomination.</p><p> </p><p> And I have seen Milk and Slumdog Millionaire, and most certainly thought that the Dark Knight was on their level.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACCBiggz Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="mistaken" data-cite="mistaken" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="21226" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><strong>but the front runner is on my worst movie of the year list, Benjamin Button is junk.</strong></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I definitely wouldn't go that far. It was a quality movie, and it's not the front runner. Slumdog Millionaire is the front runner.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="21226" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Dark Knight is the best movie of the year</div></blockquote><p> No, no it's not. It's highly debatable if that was even the year's best superhero movie (I do believe so, but many critics thought Iron Man was better all around). And just like the nominations... the only thing award worthy about the film was Ledger's supporting role. Beyond that, just a good movie in general.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilts Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Shmoe" data-cite="Shmoe" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="21226" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It was thought provoking, at least to me, in the sense of the idealogy of the Joker character, the choices that a person has to make (Batman giving it up for a woman, passing on his mantle to Dent), the one event that caused Harvey Dent's fall from grace and how fragile a person's state of mind can be in drastic situations, amongst other things. Plus, you can hardly say that the direction of Christopher Nolan isn't at least worthy of a nomination.<p> </p><p> And I have seen Milk and Slumdog Millionaire, and most certainly thought that the Dark Knight was on their level.</p></div></blockquote><p> Good points. Like I said, each to their own. It may just be me, I tend to have the mentallity that if I am watching some fantasy/super hero movie like Batman, X-Men, etc. then my brain just turns off and I accept it for what it is, entertaining rather than some deep meaningful film, whereas watching films like Seven Pounds and the others I mentioned I generally tune in a bit more because I know for me there will be a lot more to think about.</p><p> </p><p> Kind of like when I watch Jonathan Creek (anyone remember that?) or Hustle the 'detective' part of my brain turns on, watching something like 4400 or Heroes the 'fantasy' part of my brain turns on, watching Prison Break the 'action' part of my brain turns on. The same thing happens watching films, I find it very difficult to associate a super hero genre with emotions. There are obviously exceptions to this though.</p><p> </p><p> I haven't seen Slumdog and I don't plan to. It really doesn't appeal to me in the slightest. Milk however I will watch.</p><p> I am disappointed with the bad review Benjamin Button is getting though because I was really looking forward to watching that.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Orange Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="wilts" data-cite="wilts" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="21226" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Good points. Like I said, each to their own. It may just be me, I tend to have the mentallity that if I am watching some fantasy/super hero movie like Batman, X-Men, etc. then my brain just turns off and I accept it for what it is, entertaining rather than some deep meaningful film, whereas watching films like Seven Pounds and the others I mentioned I generally tune in a bit more because I know for me there will be a lot more to think about.<p> </p><p> Kind of like when I watch Jonathan Creek (anyone remember that?) or Hustle the 'detective' part of my brain turns on, watching something like 4400 or Heroes the 'fantasy' part of my brain turns on, watching Prison Break the 'action' part of my brain turns on. The same thing happens watching films, I find it very difficult to associate a super hero genre with emotions. There are obviously exceptions to this though.</p><p> </p><p> I haven't seen Slumdog and I don't plan to. It really doesn't appeal to me in the slightest. Milk however I will watch.</p><p> I am disappointed with the bad review Benjamin Button is getting though because I was really looking forward to watching that.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> OMG,</p><p> </p><p> for parts of this, I agree with Wilts.</p><p> </p><p> I did watch Jonathan Creek, and I do think super hero movies are more like 80's wrestling than a theatrical performance.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CQI13 Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Sounds like I'd enjoy Benjamin Button. I remember Meet Joe Black got similar reviews, and far less fanfare but I find it (to this day) one of my favorite movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eayragt Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Since leaving the cinema industry I don't see nearly as many new films, so can't comment nearly as thoroughly as I'd like to. However The Dark Knight was overhyped. Heath Ledger was very good (I'd put his performance close to Johnny Depp's Jack Sparrow, for which people forget he did get an Oscar nomination), Michael Caine was good, the story was quite good, Christian Bale impressed me for an actor that I generally don't like... but overall it was "good". Sadly you'd have to say that a lot of the hype was due to Ledger's death. So, have I seen a better movie this year? Probably not (I haven't seen any of the Best Picture nominations) - but Kung Fu Panda came close, and there's no way that film is worthy of anything more than its animated nod. But it's all subjective. The "average" cinemagoer looks for something different to one of the Academy, who looks for something different to me. Personally my favourite films of the last few years was Children of Men, whcih I considered an Oscars type film. Although it did get three Oscar nominations they were in the "fringe" categories of Adapted Screenplay, Cinematography and Editing, in a year where The Blood Diamond somehow got five nominations. At the end of the day the Oscars tend to give boosts to smaller films, which is far more helpful to the industry promoting a film like the Dark Knight that half the world went to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dublin Sky Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Gran Torino should have gotten something I mean not all the actors were stand out in it but Clint was amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjdgoldeneye Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 <p>I can safely say that the moment I heard the Dark Knight was being released, my interest peaked.</p><p> </p><p> I was not a victim of hype.</p><p> </p><p> That being said, The Dark Knight ranks as one of my 3-5 favorite movies ever.</p><p> </p><p> It has everything a movie needs to be perfect to the viewer.</p><p> </p><p> (It seems like a movie needs a good 15-20 minute introspective and brooding bore-fest right at the climax to get any critical recognition... <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />)</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickC13573 Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Shmoe" data-cite="Shmoe" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="21226" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yeah, I hear what you're saying. I thought the Dark Knight was one of the most thought provoking, brilliantly directed films I have ever seen, and probably my favourite film since I saw it for the first time. It does annoy me how every film that gets nominations are all the 'Benjamin Button' type films. Don't get me wrong, Milk, Slumdog and Frost/Nixon probably deserve to be there, but there's no way The Dark Knight should have been left out due to its 'superhero' movie status. Anyone realises that it was much, much more than a simple superhero flick.<p> </p><p> /Rant.</p><p> </p><p> On another note, if Heath Ledger doesn't win (and regardless of his death, I think his performance deserves it), there should be riots. Finally, go Mickey Rourke!</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Slumdog Millionare is not best movie of the year material</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmoe Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 No, I don't think Slumdog was the best movie of the year, but I do think it deserves recognition as it is a great peice of work and should be nominated. Like I've said, I thought the Dark Knight was on the level or above the level of any movie in the best picture category, but I'm going to avoid gushing about it again. I just love every second of the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tha Black Phenom Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 <p>Heath Ledger's death did not constitute for most of The Dark Knight's hype.. it's a misconception many like to think - the hype began way long before he died, with the slow viral marketing and trailers popping up(with the close-up faces of Joker's makeup and more). People looked forward to TDK long before, tbh. I don't think his death did any more than slightly fuel the hype, maybe SOME did look at his death as an outlet to go see the movie, but other than that I think it did quite what it meant to do had Ledger died or not.</p><p> </p><p> As for the other noms, well.. it's easy to say so and so doesn't deserve it, but at the end.. well, you know. It all comes down to one's preference, I don't know much for Slumdog Millionaire and The Reader(Kate's getting the spotlight lately, damn) but I just hope Rourke wins that category.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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