EaztSte Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 <p>So I have a mod which puts in into like 1983 or something. Anyway, I'm not in octobre of 1984 and Scott hall & Shawn Michaels have both debuted. I snagged them up before anyone else could but obviously at the moment being so young (Shawn is 19!!!) they're hardly skilled. They're not good enough to be on my main TV and it just seems....impossible to get a company to become a child asset and thus become my developmental terrirory.</p><p> </p><p> So i was wondering how could I create perhaps a weeky show that won't effect my popularity if they're not great shows. I just need some place to grow talent.</p><p> </p><p> Does making a "B" show help this? Or is there really no difference? Am I going to create this show and end up falling back to cult status just because I'm tryin to improve my young talent?</p><p> </p><p> Any suggestions?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FINisher Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 Pre-shows man, pre-shows. Or just have them job to the people who can carry them trough the matches and possible not drag down the show. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjacko Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 <p>I'd try for a B show, negotiate with the network you have your A show on.</p><p> </p><p> You don't get penalised for having bad ratings on the B show and can be a great way to build up your future stars.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comradebot Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="EaztSte" data-cite="EaztSte" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="22759" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So I have a mod which puts in into like 1983 or something. Anyway, I'm not in octobre of 1984 and Scott hall & Shawn Michaels have both debuted. I snagged them up before anyone else could but obviously at the moment being so young (Shawn is 19!!!) they're hardly skilled. They're not good enough to be on my main TV and it just seems....impossible to get a company to become a child asset and thus become my developmental terrirory.<p> </p><p> So i was wondering how could I create perhaps a weeky show that won't effect my popularity if they're not great shows. I just need some place to grow talent.</p><p> </p><p> Does making a "B" show help this? Or is there really no difference? Am I going to create this show and end up falling back to cult status just because I'm tryin to improve my young talent?</p><p> </p><p> Any suggestions?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="FINisher" data-cite="FINisher" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="22759" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Pre-shows man, pre-shows. Or just have them job to the people who can carry them trough the matches and possible not drag down the show. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yes, pre-shows are brilliant for this sort of things.</p><p> </p><p> And if you can get a "B" show, get it. The whole point of B shows is that they don't help or harm your promotion's popularity, meaning you can book all the unknown half-talents you want so they can develop into half-known talents. So have them work the dark matches, and if you get a B-show try and book them on that, too. Two matches a week will do wonder for their skills, particularly with younger guys (who will build some stats up naturally).</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EaztSte Posted May 7, 2009 Author Share Posted May 7, 2009 <p>Thanks alot guys thats really helped.</p><p> </p><p> I just signed Curt Hennig and Owen Hart for like 300 a week, too. Hah...those naive, naive fools.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Kane Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="EaztSte" data-cite="EaztSte" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="22759" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Thanks alot guys thats really helped.<p> </p><p> I just signed Curt Hennig and Owen Hart for like 300 a week, too. Hah...those naive, naive fools.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> Thats actually likely about 6x the amount they were likely getting payed on their real life debuts <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Casey Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 If anything - a lot of younger guys would have been expected to work for, maybe, petrol money back then. Even now, part of paying your dues is working for free or close to it in a lot of places - the gate may pay setup and the top guys' wages, but the undercard gets a few crumbs if they're lucky. And yet, Duberry Excess still expects $500 a show... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nedew Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 And yet, Duberry Excess still expects $500 a show... My, that's a bit excessive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoganRodzen Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 Yes, pre-shows are brilliant for this sort of things. I only wish there was 20 minutes of pre-show time before AND after a show. Maybe the next TEW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest codey Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 My, that's a bit excessive I like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigpapa42 Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 I have to admit that I have limited experience running smaller promotions. But what thing that jumps out at me is that I think you would have to be careful about developing the younger talent. Whether its a real world mod or the CV, there are always giong to be very promising youngsters who are kinda crap in the ring right now. If you end up loading up with a whole bunch of them and really try to work to develop them all, it could be to the detriment of the promotion as a whole. Seems like picking a couple and working to develop them would be a better plan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briskout Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 I only wish there was 20 minutes of pre-show time before AND after a show. Maybe the next TEW? You want a pre-show after the show?! What is this malarkey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Actarus Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 You want a pre-show after the show?! What is this malarkey! Well, the 'E's been holding dark main events for quite awhile now. Raw or Smackdown goes off the air, and you get a main event. However, to have 20 minutes of pre and post-dark time (for 40 minute total) would just break the game open. I suggested in the suggestions thread to give the player the ability to customize the 'dark' time, so with 20 minutes total, you could have let's say 5 minute of pre-show dark time, and 15 minutes post-show, or 10 and 10. However you see fit. I think this way, it doesn't break the game open, and also gives the player the ability to simulate reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briskout Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 I was actually just referencing the fact he said he wanted a Pre-Show after the show. I knew what he meant =P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaySo Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 Well, the 'E's been holding dark main events for quite awhile now. Raw or Smackdown goes off the air, and you get a main event. However, to have 20 minutes of pre and post-dark time (for 40 minute total) would just break the game open. I suggested in the suggestions thread to give the player the ability to customize the 'dark' time, so with 20 minutes total, you could have let's say 5 minute of pre-show dark time, and 15 minutes post-show, or 10 and 10. However you see fit. I think this way, it doesn't break the game open, and also gives the player the ability to simulate reality. I remember going to a Raw late last year. The dark match (after Raw went off the air) main event was a steel cage match between Batista and Chris Jericho (a warm up match). Next week, both of these guys would wrestle in the same steel cage match on a 3-hour Raw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 Post show time has been mentioned before... no-one has EVER came up with a reason for why it would be useful in the game. By the end of your TV show (it would HAVE to be that) if you haven't sent your fans home happy, then you've not made any fans watching happy, at least assuming that you have roughly even overness across the country. So the argument that you are sending the live crowd home happy would leave only the local area you are in happy... which would presumably become as unhappy as other areas again once you have another bad TV show. Post show, much like pre-show, would presumable not be counted into the show rating... so even the weak argument for sending fans home happy wouldn't apply. Its just one of those suggestions people make to imitate reality, but for gameplay it really doesn't do anything that you shouldn't already be doing on TV. And it really shouldn't even be applied to events at all, as a big match on the big of a big show that isn't part of it? Doesn't even make sense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoganRodzen Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 I only wish there was 20 minutes of pre-show time before AND after a show. Maybe the next TEW? "Its just one of those suggestions people make to imitate reality, but for gameplay it really doesn't do anything that you shouldn't already be doing on TV." I never said to have a pre-show before AND after a show... I just suggested to have MORE TIME. I could care less if its 20 minutes of pre-show and 20 minutes of post-show - I'd just like to have more non-TV / non-event time to work in youngsters, people whose stats are low, etc. without ruining your shows grade. Isn't that what the pre-show time is for anyway? Why the hell would I put a guy with minimal talent on my television show to help him improve? Perhaps I should have been more clear with my one-line post. "Well, that's what B-shows are for." - Not everyone can get multiple TV shows, unless you're running a Cult-sized or bigger promotion. Who cares if WWE does dark matches after a show? I don't want to "imitate reality". I want the ability to do what I stated above. Making the pre-show time 30 minutes instead of 20 minutes would probably make me happy. That extra 10 minutes is pretty important. I'd like to have 40 minutes of pre-show time but I can just imagine people being annoyed with all that "extra time". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 The pre show (lets call it non-show) time is deliberately limited to avoid people doing precisely what you described. I can't remember if it was for 07 or 08 that a pre show limit was introduced, but prior to that you were able to have as much on the pre-show as you liked and it was a game breaking loop hope in terms of roster use and development. If you want to use people and/or develop their talent, then you need to use them where they will be visible or on the time made available to you on the pre-show... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoganRodzen Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 The pre show (lets call it non-show) time is deliberately limited to avoid people doing precisely what you described. That makes sense, although I've never seen this discussed before. My bad. I rarely come on the forums and when I do it's usually for a short period of time and I disappear for a while. Would 10 more minutes (making the pre-show a half hour) really cause that much trouble? Seems odd to me to think it would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 That makes sense, although I've never seen this discussed before. My bad. I rarely come on the forums and when I do it's usually for a short period of time and I disappear for a while. Would 10 more minutes (making the pre-show a half hour) really cause that much trouble? Seems odd to me to think it would. The line has to be drawn somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoganRodzen Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 The line has to be drawn somewhere. Very true. I never looked at it in "cheating way"... just an alternative to having a "B" show, but now I understand why it is the way it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 That makes sense, although I've never seen this discussed before. My bad. I rarely come on the forums and when I do it's usually for a short period of time and I disappear for a while. Would 10 more minutes (making the pre-show a half hour) really cause that much trouble? Seems odd to me to think it would. It's adding 50% onto the time you have. Means you could run 3 matches which counted towards stat improvement, etc, instead of just 2, so potentially develop guys 50% faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belton Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 Make the matches shorter. How many dark matches have you seen last longer than 5 minutes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminator980 Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 Make the matches shorter. How many dark matches have you seen last longer than 5 minutes? 8 and a half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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