CrookedRainJr Posted September 9, 2009 Author Share Posted September 9, 2009 Thanks Wade, I appreciate the feedback. All of the debuting workers was fairly easy, as I (Over time) assembled a large quanity of tapes (Yes, VHS tapes, DVDs came later) and a lot of tapes were from various indies from 1999 until Ring of Honor started up. I can say I added several new workers last night as well and plan on doing more tonight. Depending how that goes, the new data should be tonight (If I'm pleased with the efforts) or tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidEFC Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 Thanks Wade, I appreciate the feedback. All of the debuting workers was fairly easy, as I (Over time) assembled a large quanity of tapes (Yes, VHS tapes, DVDs came later) and a lot of tapes were from various indies from 1999 until Ring of Honor started up. I can say I added several new workers last night as well and plan on doing more tonight. Depending how that goes, the new data should be tonight (If I'm pleased with the efforts) or tomorrow. Yay!. Have been wanting to start a game of this since i came across the mod last weekend but decided on waiting for you to release an update with some fixes and the title histories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrookedRainJr Posted September 10, 2009 Author Share Posted September 10, 2009 New data is up. Enjoy! Still more workers I plan on adding eventually (Mainly just Chikara guys, Japanese workers, and things like that; Workers most people won't notice because it'll be so long before they debut), but I think at the moment the data is good to go. Errors of course should be mentioned so I can fix them for the next update (Whenever that will be, let's see how the current data plays out). Thanks and enjoy. ~Jeremy~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidEFC Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 Nice one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilts Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 woohoo! Time to get my fix of TEW porn!!! Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kp86 Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 Nice work on the update, a much more well rounded mod this time around. However, I do have some points I'd like to make. Firstly, the roster sizes for NJPW and WWF are a little off because they both go on hiring spree right off the bat and hire people who shouldn't be in those companies during this timeframe (e.g. WWF hires the Road Warriors, NJPW hires Ted DiBiase etc.) You should probably either add more workers for NJPW or lower their owner's rosters size preference. Same thing with the WWF, although just decreasing Vince's roster size preference should fix this. I'll test to make sure. Secondly, there are a lot of stables lying around that have not been active for quite some time in the game (e.g. Los Boriucas in WWF, Triple Threat in ECW, Raven's Flock in WCW...) Not a big problem, just thought I'd mention it. Overall, I think the indy scene needs a little more workers but understandably it is quite difficult to find info on no-name indy workers from 1999, let alone get an idea of proper stats... Those title histories look nice though, I wonder who made them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrookedRainJr Posted September 10, 2009 Author Share Posted September 10, 2009 Regarding indy workers, some of them were really starting to catch on (Christopher Daniels, Reckless Youth, Michael Modest, etc) and get try-outs with the big three, so all of those workers are in, as well as workers debuting in 2000 and up till I believe 2004 maybe. The problem of course is the indy scene does seem a bit dry, but I'm gradually adding more each update. Vince and Inoki's roster preferences were altered so hopefully that will fix things. Stables that were no longer around were deleted. No excuse for that one really. Guess it slipped my mind. Those title histories do look nice.... Maybe you guys can help me on this one. I've been trying to alter ECW's product to make it more based on performance rather than popularity, but whatever I do seems to take something away ("Will attract fans who won't highly risky gimmicks"). Any ideas? Or is everybody fine the way it is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrookedRainJr Posted September 11, 2009 Author Share Posted September 11, 2009 I'm already editing and fixing stuff so there might be ANOTHER release in the next few days. Sorry guys, bear with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kp86 Posted September 11, 2009 Share Posted September 11, 2009 I tried turning down Vince McMahon's roster size preference from Very Large to Large and that seems to have stopped WWF from hiring anyone within the first month or so. NJPW, however, still hires almost all available Japanese talent, despite the fact that I lowered Inoki's preference from Large to Medium. e.g. they hire guys like Mr. Gannosuke and Masato Tanaka, who probably should not be there... The best solution I think would be to add more talent to their roster by adding workers who are missing (I think a few midcarders like Tatsutoshi Goto are missing, check the IWGP Tag Team title histories in like 1998 and 1999 and see which guys have held the belts but are not in the database...) Also, AJPW should probably be dropped to cult maybe, to prevent them from hiring too many guys of the Japanese indies. I'm not sure but I don't think I'd classify AJPW at this point in time as a national company, a high cult would suffice I think. In less than a year from October 1999 they should be losing all over their roster save two wrestlers to Misawa's Pro Wrestling NOAH anyway. Another thing, Mark Curtis (aka Brian Hildebrant) should probably be removed from the data or marked as left the business, because he did die of cancer around this time, not 100% sure as to the date but it was in 1999. (edit, OK I checked it, he died on September 8, 1999, so set to deceased or removed altogether.) Oh, and another thing more, I'll gladly do more title histories for the American indies and the Mexican and Japanese companies once their rosters have had a little more flesh around the bones, as I don't think there is much point in making title histories that link to basically no-one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kp86 Posted September 11, 2009 Share Posted September 11, 2009 Maybe you guys can help me on this one. I've been trying to alter ECW's product to make it more based on performance rather than popularity, but whatever I do seems to take something away ("Will attract fans who won't highly risky gimmicks"). Any ideas? Or is everybody fine the way it is? To make a point here, how many actually "risky" gimmicks have you seen in the old ECW? i.e. racist, drug dealer, satanic etc. I think the ECW product is quite fine as it is, maybe add a Realism to Medium so you get the performance as the higher rated stat. Really, ECW didn't have many "risky" gimmicks as such. They did have "adult" material, sure, but none of it I would classify as a truly risky gimmick or character, so I don't think it is a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrookedRainJr Posted September 11, 2009 Author Share Posted September 11, 2009 Fair point. ECW's realism was raised to medium after messing around with their product. Tested, it isn't a huge improvement in ratings but at least this way there aren't so many damn, "The crowd's mood was brought down" if you're booking ECW shows. I was also messing with the roster issues and plan on adding more Japanese workers and also will lower All Japan's overness. I want to add Osaka Pro but it would be entirely unfair as I couldn't accurately give stats to their roster. We'll see how all this plays out, but I do appreciate the help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kp86 Posted September 11, 2009 Share Posted September 11, 2009 I have simmed a month game time for a couple times now and the WWF seems to get awfully poor ratings for RAW and Smackdown (usually B- to even a C) so something should probably be done about the overness of some of their top talent as it seems that might be causing that issue. WCW seems to be doing quite fine though (at least for WCW 1999 standards) by getting an average B- to B for Nitro and PPVs. WWF gets Bs to B+s for PPVs though so I'm not that sure what's causing this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrookedRainJr Posted September 11, 2009 Author Share Posted September 11, 2009 That's something I've tried to find the source for and can't. It might have to do with their product, but I've altered and tested a couple times and can't seem to exactly trace it to one particular thing. I'm going to mess around with it some more and raise some overness of some of their workers. I also plan on changing most of ECW's roster and their overness, raising it slightly for each worker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted September 11, 2009 Share Posted September 11, 2009 To make a point here, how many actually "risky" gimmicks have you seen in the old ECW? i.e. racist, drug dealer, satanic etc. I think the ECW product is quite fine as it is, maybe add a Realism to Medium so you get the performance as the higher rated stat. Really, ECW didn't have many "risky" gimmicks as such. They did have "adult" material, sure, but none of it I would classify as a truly risky gimmick or character, so I don't think it is a problem. Sinister Minister? Lesbians? Penthouse models? Porn stars? "gangsters"? Joel Gertner? FTW? Raven? Crucifixion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kp86 Posted September 11, 2009 Share Posted September 11, 2009 OK, I stand corrected. But I'd still like to point out that most of those mentioned were back in '95, '96 and '97, not in '99 (except Sinister Minister and the porn stars, but it's not like they were applying their trade on camera in ECW...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted September 11, 2009 Share Posted September 11, 2009 OK, I stand corrected. But I'd still like to point out that most of those mentioned were back in '95, '96 and '97, not in '99 (except Sinister Minister and the porn stars, but it's not like they were applying their trade on camera in ECW...) I see what you mean, but RVD was basically a high action stoner, characters repeatedly dropped the F-Bomb... ECW was all about risk. That's why they couldn't get a good tv deal and it's why TNN edited their tapes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidEFC Posted September 11, 2009 Share Posted September 11, 2009 Nothing major but Ring Of Honor opened in Feb 2002, you have it set to open in May 2002. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrookedRainJr Posted September 11, 2009 Author Share Posted September 11, 2009 I thought I had fixed that, since some of the starting feds had weird start dates, I guess Michael Melon got confused. Fixed it anyway though. I modified ECW and its workers, and modified WWF's product a little. I'm going to try and add more workers later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 I thought I had fixed that, since some of the starting feds had weird start dates, I guess Michael Melon got confused. Fixed it anyway though. I modified ECW and its workers, and modified WWF's product a little. I'm going to try and add more workers later. WOO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrookedRainJr Posted September 12, 2009 Author Share Posted September 12, 2009 So here's the gameplan for the development of this mod and the next release: I plan on adding the following promotions: Texas Wrestling Academy (The promotion of Shawn Michaels' school, had American Dragon, Spanky, Lance Cade, etc around the time period) Ultimate Professional Wrestling (Was serving as a training ground for WWF at the time; John Cena trained there) Osaka Pro Wrestling (Run by Super Delfin; I'll try to research the workers as best as I can) BattlArts (A Japanese shoot-style promotion that was starting to really get big with tape traders in late 1999, early 2000; Arguably their "Hot peak") Heartland Wrestling Association (Run by Les Thatcher and served as a developmental territory for the WWF) I'm also debating putting in World Xtreme Wrestling (Small fed run by Afa Sr. and the rest of the Samoan clan) and International Wrestling Revolution Group (Based in Mexico, had ties with Toryumon), but my knowledge of them is somewhat limited.... All this takes time though, in addition to all of the new workers I've added/plan on adding plus some new gimmicks and such. So give me some more time and I promise you'll be impressed by the results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kp86 Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 Sounds great. Although I'd advice againts adding promotion that you don't have a lot of info on, like the Mexican one you mentioned because it probably will not live up to standards. Besides it is not a major promotion in Mexico or otherwise so adding it at this point seem a bit useless. Just my point of view though, since most people tend to play with the usual three (ECW, WCW and WWF) the others are mainly filler for most players... I don't want to tell anyone how they proceed with their mod but my suggestion would be to add more workers to AJPW and NJPW to round out their rosters before adding Osaka Pro because NJPW would raid them anyway... Just a thought though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 WXW would be amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrookedRainJr Posted September 13, 2009 Author Share Posted September 13, 2009 HWA was added and the roster is done (Though small; Finding info from the time period is scarce). I probably won't add IWRG but will consider WXW. I plan on finishing New Japan's and All Japan's rosters tomorrow and then getting to work on either BattlArts or Osaka Pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kp86 Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 That's great. If you do add people to NJPW and AJPW who have held titles there I would suggest you link the title histories to them if that's not too much trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrookedRainJr Posted September 13, 2009 Author Share Posted September 13, 2009 Possibly, did you just leave those reigns vacant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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