The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

[Derek B]

http://i.imgur.com/zW1a0E5.png

 

If only

 

Greatest swerve ever!

[The Final Countdown]

I was just watching the Donald Trump material on the WWE network (for 9.99).

 

If ever there was a WWE Hall of Famer that would ever become president of the United States, Donald Trump would not be in my top 5 (and I mean that). But here we are...

Koko B. Ware 2020!

 

(If we aren't reduced to a smoking wasteland in the next four years.)

[Blackman]

Where is the like button?

 

The RAW crowd was a little too disrespectful sometimes. I get that they started random chants during the comedy matchup with the Golden Truth, but there are limits. They made Bailey look awful. Charlotte improvised much better but it didn't fix it. Sasha did handle it like a boss. Such a talent on the mic. But the announcement of Dana shut 'em up temporarily, hehe.

[Jaysin]

Crowds in general are disrespectful these days.

[Russelrules44]

Crowds in general are disrespectful these days.

 

They've been entitled since around the RAW after WrestleMania back in 2013, but got really bad after that disaster of a Royal Rumble in 2015 (whether it was justified or not is entirely up to you) Don't be surprised.

[Warhawk8492]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Russelrules44" data-cite="Russelrules44" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>They've been entitled since around the RAW after WrestleMania back in 2013, but got really bad after that disaster of a Royal Rumble in 2015 (whether it was justified or not is entirely up to you) Don't be surprised.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I personally feel the reaction to the 2015 Royal Rumble was justified.</p>

[K-Nection]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Questlove" data-cite="Questlove" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><span>http://i.imgur.com/zW1a0E5.png</span><p> </p><p> If only</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That would truly be epic....If they won't abolish the electoral voting system then they need a money in the bank briefcase to counter it!</p>

[Blackman]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Crowds in general are disrespectful these days.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> European crowds are. Or at least footie crowds. Racial slurs, slandering the coaches, etc.. It's where people go to show the best of themselves. This RAW was disrespectful, but maybe not intentional. People forget that both Angle-Saxon and Contintental crowds love this form of social singing. It's been around for ages. NXT crowds do it right though.</p>

[kingjames]

<p>I feel like it's the immovable force of a crowd who want to hijack the shows and become more important than the performers, meeting the immoveable object of stubborn and out-of-touch booking on the part of WWE. Crowds are disrespectful, no doubt, but the unwillingness to shape booking based on organic crowd reactions inflames that problem.</p><p> </p><p>

I mean, when Shockmaster fell flat on his glitter helmet, even WCW didn't try to keep pushing him as an unstoppable babyface. I suspect today's WWE would continue to plow ahead with the planned booking.</p>

[K-Nection]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="kingjames" data-cite="kingjames" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I feel like it's the immovable force of a crowd who want to hijack the shows and become more important than the performers, meeting the immoveable object of stubborn and out-of-touch booking on the part of WWE. Crowds are disrespectful, no doubt, but the unwillingness to shape booking based on organic crowd reactions inflames that problem.<p> </p><p> I mean, when Shockmaster fell flat on his glitter helmet, even WCW didn't try to keep pushing him as an unstoppable babyface. I suspect today's WWE would continue to plow ahead with the planned booking.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It creates an over jarring viewing experience. The casual viewer is lost what is going on while the hardcore fan is tuning off in droves. Heck even I only watch NXT these days and occasionally Smackdown when my schedule allows it.</p>

[Jaysin]

Hey guys, I have an idea.

 

Let's all go see a movie we know is bad and boo and shout things at the screen!

 

 

Then again, the vast majority of wrestling fans continuously follow a product they no longer enjoy and crap on it instead of simply moving on.

[kingjames]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Hey guys, I have an idea.<p> </p><p> Let's all go see a movie we know is bad and boo and shout things at the screen!</p><p> </p><p> <img alt=":rolleyes:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> Then again, the vast majority of wrestling fans continuously follow a product they no longer enjoy and crap on it instead of simply moving on.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I was watching ECW One Night Stand today, and I can't help but see a lot of the seeds of the show hijacking problem in the way those audiences interacted with the product. I mean, "The Mutants" were probably the first audiences to try to get their own catch phrases over, among other forerunners of the current wrestling audiences.</p>

[Rickymex]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="K-Nection" data-cite="K-Nection" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>That would truly be epic....If they won't abolish the electoral voting system then they need a money in the bank briefcase to counter it!</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I don't want to get political since there's Reddit for that (so I won't go into discussion on here pass this comment) but without a system like the electoral college then only the most populous state would have a voice. You have California with 38 million and the only one that comes close is Texas at 26. It would be an FU to any state that doesn't have a large population growth. Small states lose any voice they have.</p>

[codey_v2]

Smackdown was good, but I feel like they made a major character misstep in the women's angle. Bayley participating in the mugging of Nikki made no sense for her. She's the Uber face. She'll fight back if attacked, but she shouldn't jump someone like that.

[K-Nection]

I don't want to get political since there's Reddit for that (so I won't go into discussion on here pass this comment) but without a system like the electoral college then only the most populous state would have a voice. You have California with 38 million and the only one that comes close is Texas at 26. It would be an FU to any state that doesn't have a large population growth. Small states lose any voice they have.

 

You are correct in saying this is not the thread for this discussion but I did send you a PM on how I would fix that particular predicament.

[sabataged]

It creates an over jarring viewing experience. The casual viewer is lost what is going on while the hardcore fan is tuning off in droves. Heck even I only watch NXT these days and occasionally Smackdown when my schedule allows it.

 

But yet they are still making more money than ever.

[Fleisch]

But yet they are still making more money than ever.

 

That could have something to do with everything being more expensive (merchandise, ticket prices etc) as well as the little thing called the WWE Network. I know people who don't like the current product but got the Network to rewatch WCW and early WWE. Fans are however turning off Raw and Smackdown Live a lot more (see TV ratings).

 

I personally dip in and out of WWE and rarely do I watch the entire show without forwarding it through some garbage or another. I can usually get through Raw in under an hour and Smackdown in about 30-40 minutes, and that's only if I decide to watch it at all. I do watch Royal Rumble and Wrestlemania every year though out of habit.

[Blackman]

I don't skip through in fear of doing something else, but I often play card games and play it on the background so I can listen to the angles and alt-tab to the spot replays. I do try to watch all PPV's from beginning to end.

 

Wasn't smart to let RAW end with Reigns' music. Loved the IC title match but that Figure4 was a complete joke. I mean come on... It's gotta look a "little" bit real, right?

[Russelrules44]

Smackdown was good, but I feel like they made a major character misstep in the women's angle. Bayley participating in the mugging of Nikki made no sense for her. She's the Uber face. She'll fight back if attacked, but she shouldn't jump someone like that.

 

I'm guessing Bayley was blackmailed into doing it. There's just no other way around it.

[Mootinie]

I'm guessing Bayley was blackmailed into doing it. There's just no other way around it.

Too timid to fight for her character. Shame.

[Rone Rivendale]

Wasn't smart to let RAW end with Reigns' music. Loved the IC title match but that Figure4 was a complete joke. I mean come on... It's gotta look a "little" bit real, right?

 

I'm with you on the Figure Four, I thought it was really weird how Dolph was on his stomach reaching for the ropes but Miz was still on his back. The move couldn't have been on right, otherwise Miz would have been turned over too.

[K-Nection]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Mootinie" data-cite="Mootinie" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Too timid to fight for her character. Shame.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I called it a year ago...the writing team wouldn't know what to do with her and she will not fight it because it is current work. I always said if they wouldn't have John Cena do it then they should not have Bailey do it and that would keep that character's core values in line. Now we see the beginning of the end for the wholesome character.</p>

[shawn michaels]

Suprised no one mentioned yet the whole Dolph losing the IC title. I know that a heel (Miz) vs Face (Zayn) is better in theory, but I was kinda hyped for the Dolph vs. Zayn matchup. Wonder if this means that Dolph is set for doom, or maybe moving into greener pastures? And what about Taker saying he's back? Should we expect a part-time return other than wrestlemanias?

[Blackman]

I also would've liked to see that. It was indeed a surprise (at least to me). Great match though. Funny how one of the announcers mentioned Ziggler "always brings it in big matches" (or a paraphrase of that). Wasn't that, like, his thing? That he always fell short? They frickin' build a (interesting) story around it... And all of a sudden he always rises to the occasion?

[jjohns44]

Unless Sunday Shane gives his spot to Ziggler I dont like Shane being in the match. Like they couldnt get any actual wrestler to represent Smackdown, just a McMahon stroking that ego? Ziggler would be the only choice now that hes not on the card.