The Final Countdown Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Crychon" data-cite="Crychon" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'd say it was the most interesting Brock Lesnar match in a long time!<p> </p><p> It was the first one that was actually something different in what seems like years.</p></div></blockquote><p> This is a fair point. What we got was far more memorable than Brock doing german suplexes for 20 minutes. Also, this is always what Goldberg was best at. Nobody ever watched a Goldberg match hoping for a classic--he got over by smashing people just like this. If they'd let him do this to Rock or Trips (haha, like he'd ever allow that to happen) back in the day his first WWE run might have gone better.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="shawn michaels 82" data-cite="shawn michaels 82" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You guys are overthinking this, it's clearly heading for a rematch. I doubt Brock would ever agree to being squashed by anyone if there wasn't a rematch (and subsequent money) involved.</div></blockquote><p> Precisely. I'm guessing we'll see a rematch at the Rumble, since they need to move a lot of tickets for that show in the Alamodome.</p><p> </p><p> I enjoyed the men's classic SS match. It was better than I expected it to be. The same was true for the tag match, though for me a lot of that had to do with getting rid of New Day so quick. They used to be entertaining but are now equal with Stephanie McMahon for me, meaning I instantly hit fast forward any time I hear their music on Raw.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitsukaikira Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 IMO, this is Brock's punishment for testing hot for his UFC fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Final Countdown Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="mitsukaikira" data-cite="mitsukaikira" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>IMO, this is Brock's punishment for testing hot for his UFC fight.</div></blockquote><p> Why didn't he lose to Orton then?</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mootinie Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 According to Meltzer, Lesnar pushed for a multiple-match program with Goldberg and Vince agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russelrules44 Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Mootinie" data-cite="Mootinie" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>According to Meltzer, Lesnar pushed for a multiple-match program with Goldberg and Vince agreed.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> After the 'Most Shocking Moment' of the year contender that was yesterday, I agree with this decision 110%. No way Lesnar agrees to be squashed.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Lesnar matches have been lazy garbage for a long while now, nice to see something break that up. That said, I find it humorous that the match was so short. Vinnie Mac has repeatedly bashed MMA and boxing main events because the fights can potentially end within a minute or two and the last two Lesnar main events have been over before they really started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukess11 Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Lesnar matches have been lazy garbage for a long while now, nice to see something break that up.<p> </p><p> That said, I find it humorous that the match was so short. Vinnie Mac has repeatedly bashed MMA and boxing main events because the fights can potentially end within a minute or two and the last two Lesnar main events have been over before they really started.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I agree with the first part of your post. However, I disagree with the part about the short match. I feel if you do this shock finish once in a while, fans can think that they can see something like this and don't expect every PPV to go the full time. Also, the SS match was 53 minutes, so it isn't like they got a bad deal. Most people saw the SS match as the true main event.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 I wasn't complaining about the short length. I just think Vince's hypocrisy is funny. Like when WCW was about to debut Thunder and he said that they were oversaturating the market. Fast forward to now and WWE has seven hours Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday combined as soon as 205Live starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CQI13 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 <p>Do we know for sure that it was his call (on the length)? Do we know that he's not just saying that about UFC/Boxing to throw shade on them - especially since in one you can control the outcomes (and lengths of the events)?</p><p> </p><p> Not to say they do the best job with their programming, but I don't remember Thunder being memorable at all. </p><p> </p><p> Raw is too long, but SD is fine and NXT does a good job of putting out solid shows even when they can be heavy on squashes. They have 168 hours of programming to fill - not all of it can be original content. But it's a smart thing to have some variety (like the Cruiserweight Classic or 205Live).</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-Nection Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The Final Countdown" data-cite="The Final Countdown" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>This is a fair point. What we got was far more memorable than Brock doing german suplexes for 20 minutes. Also, this is always what Goldberg was best at. Nobody ever watched a Goldberg match hoping for a classic--he got over by smashing people just like this. If they'd let him do this to Rock or Trips (haha, like he'd ever allow that to happen) back in the day his first WWE run might have gone better.<p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I hate to be that guy but he did beat Rock....it was his first ever WWE match. Now Trips I 100% agree with. The thing with Goldberg they should have done was keep him a monster and only screw him over and injure him at the same time. Bring him back to tear the heels down again rinse and repeat. The biggest mistake they ever did was beat him clean.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liontamer Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 <p>Just finished survivor series, haven't seen raw yet. A few thoughts.</p><p> </p><p> Shane either acted/sold very well or was legitimately hurt long before he came out of the match.</p><p> </p><p> Goldberg/Lesnar was surprising to say the least, wonder if it was punishment for his positive drug test. If I were booking, I'd have Brock just destroy everyone in rage for a while. Then Raw begs Goldberg to come back to stop him. If he comes back for another match you have your match and either he succeeds or fails and sets up another person to succeed, or someone steps up without him. Would also set up a possibly Strowman vs Brock match.</p><p> </p><p> I half expected Ryback interference in this just to mess with people, glad it didn't happen.</p><p> </p><p> A few other possibilities </p><p> 1) I read Goldberg was hurt, maybe he couldn't go longer and this was the audible they chose for creative or contractual reasons</p><p> 2) the match before seemed to drag for a long while, I wonder if they had to shorten this one.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Also a few pages back someone was looking for a cage match from WCW, I don't recall if you provided other details, but my guess would be that you are either talking war games, or that horrendous triple cage thing they did.</p><p> </p><p> also conflicting ads lately- is 205 live tues or wed? I feel like I was seeing wed up until this week and now am seeing tues which had me thinking smackdown would win the division. Didn't see Baron interfering, but kind of like it.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Final Countdown Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="K-Nection" data-cite="K-Nection" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I hate to be that guy but he did beat Rock....it was his first ever WWE match. Now Trips I 100% agree with. The thing with Goldberg they should have done was keep him a monster and only screw him over and injure him at the same time. Bring him back to tear the heels down again rinse and repeat. The biggest mistake they ever did was beat him clean.</div></blockquote><p> I know he <em>beat</em> Rock. I think he won the title from Trips at some point too. I was saying that his run might have gone better if they'd let him do what got him over in WCW, which was steamroll people like he just did to Brock.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-Nection Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The Final Countdown" data-cite="The Final Countdown" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I know he <em>beat</em> Rock. I think he won the title from Trips at some point too. I was saying that his run might have gone better if they'd let him do what got him over in WCW, which was steamroll people like he just did to Brock.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yea I was just keeping your facts straight lol <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liontamer Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 <p>to be fair, I don't recall WCW really knowing how to keep his character relevant after dropping the title either. Sometimes I wonder if a multi-year run could have worked with him. It would have greatly countered the hotshotting title runs in WWE and even of lesser titles in WCW. The question is if fans would have the attention spans for it and if they could keep it fresh as some fans were already tiring. But say he held it 3 years with names like Hogan, Nash, Flair, Macho, Sting, Bret, etc. on the roster- would he not look way more legit than anything WWE had at the time? They would have had probably 15-20 changes in that span.</p><p> </p><p> The poor reign Sting had post Starrcade knocked WCW off the pedestal, the lack of planning they had with Goldberg (and his absence after injuring himself) killed the momentum left. The constant rebranding, repackaging and other nonsense after just kept them from recovering at all, it's not what wrecked them, though it made for terrible TV. As much as people crap on TNA, I think the last 2-3 years of WCW were way worse than anything TNA has done since I started watching them - and WCW is still my favorite promotion all time, though modern WWE is starting to compete as I like it much better the last 2-3 years.</p><p> </p><p> Also, for wwe booking, isn't your suggestion essentially what happened when he lost it to HHH? I thought HHH put out a bounty on him and he repeatedly was beaten down.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackman Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Wow. I was just going to type here that the whole PPV was as predictable as can be, but then the main event happened. Best thing was that I thought I saw a spoiler on facebook yesterday how Brock destroyed Goldberg in mere minutes. Must've been my mind that warped the names somehow. But I guess it was a smart way of handling the match, especially after the disappointment on Mania 20. The best thing about the weekend was Mickie James' return that went way better as I expected. I thought they'd bring her back as a bug for Asuka to squash. And I also seemed to have missed something last NXT episode. Why the hell did they put Ellering in a damn cage above the ring? I doesn't make any sense at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjohns44 Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 I like the excitement of the crowds these days. There was a period where a lot of them were dead the entire time but now kudos for WWE to get them into women wrestlers and when new guys come in they actually get pops because of NXT and bringing in the AJ Styles that everyones known for 15 years. Just reminds me of thr good old days when crowds got into more wrestlers than whoever they pushed big at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crownsy Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Wow. I was just going to type here that the whole PPV was as predictable as can be, but then the main event happened. Best thing was that I thought I saw a spoiler on facebook yesterday how Brock destroyed Goldberg in mere minutes. Must've been my mind that warped the names somehow. But I guess it was a smart way of handling the match, especially after the disappointment on Mania 20. The best thing about the weekend was Mickie James' return that went way better as I expected. I thought they'd bring her back as a bug for Asuka to squash. And I also seemed to have missed something last NXT episode. Why the hell did they put Ellering in a damn cage above the ring? I doesn't make any sense at all. Setup was Regal trying to think of a way to keep him out of the match. TM61 brought up the time before that Paul has been put in a shark cage above the ring (I bow to our much better historians, but yes, that happened according to many). Regal liked it, and put him in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakerNGN74 Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Wow. I was just going to type here that the whole PPV was as predictable as can be, but then the main event happened. Best thing was that I thought I saw a spoiler on facebook yesterday how Brock destroyed Goldberg in mere minutes. Must've been my mind that warped the names somehow. But I guess it was a smart way of handling the match, especially after the disappointment on Mania 20. The best thing about the weekend was Mickie James' return that went way better as I expected. I thought they'd bring her back as a bug for Asuka to squash. And I also seemed to have missed something last NXT episode. Why the hell did they put Ellering in a damn cage above the ring? I doesn't make any sense at all. They did it in order to create a life sized crash cage playset look it up if you haven't seen the commercial for it because it's the exact same set up only difference is Ellerings Cage doesn't crash into the ring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liontamer Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Anyone know if the fans were ok after one of the big guys accidentally lost control of the chain he dropped down, sending it into the crowd? That looked like it could have seriously hurt someone, but I didn't see anyone go down or see the chain land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 I enjoyed Bryan on Talking Smack, spitting truth about building stars so they don't have to rely on guys like Brock and Goldberg to get people to watch PPVs. And using Swann and the other Crusierweights as an example made me sad they're still on Raw, although 205 Live should be interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CQI13 Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 I doubt they would show the chain hitting anyone (or them receiving medical attention). But there have been no reports of anyone getting hurt, so I'll assume it was a close call. I saw Takeover and I saw the Crash Cage commercial...didn't put two and two together - clearly I am not their target audience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liontamer Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 so are cruiserweights now going to be on RAW, NXT, and 205? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackman Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="crownsy" data-cite="crownsy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>TM61 brought up the time before that Paul has been put in a shark cage above the ring </div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Must've missed that segment. Thanks.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TakerNGN74" data-cite="TakerNGN74" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>They did it in order to create a life sized crash cage playset look it up if you haven't seen the commercial for it because it's the exact same set up only difference is Ellerings Cage doesn't crash into the ring.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I've seen the commercial during SS. It was hilarious. Why? For god's sake: why? We used to play with legos when we were kids.</p><p> </p><p> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXXO8UThP9A." rel="external nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXXO8UThP9A.</a> That woman must be feigning the excitement, 'cause I honestly don't get it.</p><p> </p><p> MOMMY! I WANT ONE! I WANT ONE!</p><p> </p><p> edit: I've never seen a worsely executed run-in than Baron Corbin's on SD! this week... And WWE needs to be more consistent in their supposed rules. It's often clear with referee decisions that don't make sense in the own context they produce. Now they are actively pushing for Ellsworth to compete in supposedly one of the most dangerous match types with his neck hurt? They didn't play on him faking it so it doesn't make sense to me.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjohns44 Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 <p>So I waa thinking why give the title back to Sasha when we all know Charlotte is just going to win it back at the next pay per view, because they want to make a big deal about her being undefeated at pay per views.</p><p> But then Im thinking "wait a minute.. Charlotte is Ric Flair's daughter. Ric is a 16 time world champion.."</p><p> So the path they want to do is make Charlotte a 16 time Women's champion.</p><p> Women careers dont seem to last as long as men in wrestling, but still I just wouldnt think it would be as impressive as Ric's record.. Since Ric didnt always lose it one week just to get it back a week later.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-Nection Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="jjohns44" data-cite="jjohns44" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So I waa thinking why give the title back to Sasha when we all know Charlotte is just going to win it back at the next pay per view, because they want to make a big deal about her being undefeated at pay per views.<p> But then Im thinking "wait a minute.. Charlotte is Ric Flair's daughter. Ric is a 16 time world champion.."</p><p> So the path they want to do is make Charlotte a 16 time Women's champion.</p><p> Women careers dont seem to last as long as men in wrestling, but still I just wouldnt think it would be as impressive as Ric's record.. Since Ric didnt always lose it one week just to get it back a week later.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yea you are correct it took Flair a span of 20 years to win 16 World Titles. It has taken Charlotte 1 to have 3.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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