The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

[dpoolez]

<p>I havent seen the NXT and SD women's matches yet, but I have to say I have gained a lot of respect for Nia Jax for her performance on Raw. It wasnt MOTY quality but she was able to go for over 20 minutes, which is commendable for someone as green as she still is currently.</p><p> </p><p>

Hopefully WWE books Sasha like the top face she deserves to be. Alexa just isnt cutting it (and she wasnt cutting it on SD either imo). Mickie is another one that needs to be able to have better performances. Mickie and Sasha or Bayley could create something amazing I think.</p>

[milamber]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="dpoolez" data-cite="dpoolez" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I havent seen the NXT and SD women's matches yet, but I have to say I have gained a lot of respect for Nia Jax for her performance on Raw. It wasnt MOTY quality but she was able to go for over 20 minutes, which is commendable for someone as green as she still is currently.<p> </p><p> Hopefully WWE books Sasha like the top face she deserves to be. Alexa just isnt cutting it (and she wasnt cutting it on SD either imo). Mickie is another one that needs to be able to have better performances. Mickie and Sasha or Bayley could create something amazing I think.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Bliss isn't losing to Sasha. She's the only woman who can carry a good promo. Nia might beat her at SummerSlam, which is fine. I'm not a huge Jax fan but she's been dominant enough that it would be stupid not to put the belt on her this year.</p>

[dpoolez]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="milamber" data-cite="milamber" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Bliss isn't losing to Sasha. She's the only woman who can carry a good promo. Nia might beat her at SummerSlam, which is fine. I'm not a huge Jax fan but she's been dominant enough that it would be stupid not to put the belt on her this year.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Bliss can carry a promo, but I feel like her runs as champ (even dating to her SD days) were lackluster because she cant work to the level of the Horsewomen, Mickie, Asuka, etc. I was alarmed when even someone like Becky couldnt have a standout match with her personally.</p><p> </p><p> WWE will most likely cool off on Sasha as Champion for a while after her and Charlotte traded the titles back and forth so many times last year, but shes way too over to be left out of the loop like she has been prior to last mondays Raw.</p><p> </p><p> I hope she at least gets to put on some great matches and gets back into a more permanent loop atop the Womens Division as I feel like she couldve carried an Alexa feud far better than Bayley did.</p>

[K-Nection]

<p>Bliss is never going to be an extraordinary in ring worker I'm sad to say. On the mic and the way she carries herself she has the right tools but I think she is just not the total package. What she is going to have to learn is how to work the crowd in the match and play to her strengths.</p><p> </p><p>

In TEW she would probably be one of those failed pushes until she broke the psychology wall and can keep up with her opponent.</p>

[dpoolez]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="K-Nection" data-cite="K-Nection" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Bliss is never going to be an extraordinary in ring worker I'm sad to say. On the mic and the way she carries herself she has the right tools but I think she is just not the total package. What she is going to have to learn is how to work the crowd in the match and play to her strengths.<p> </p><p> In TEW she would probably be one of those failed pushes until she broke the psychology wall and can keep up with her opponent.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I think this is a fair analysis. Now that I realize it, I feel like I'm being a bit unfair on her. She has a LOT to live up to in the short term. With the way the Horsewomen and Asuka have performed these past 2 years, there's a certain standard with the women's division, and especially NXT Bred-women that I dont think she is able to live up to right now.</p>

[Mootinie]

I agree that Bliss' upside isn't her wrestling ability but she's more a victim of bad booking than anything else. She took the title from Bayley and retained fairly convincingly in a bad match before being placed in a messy feud with the rest of the division. All this has happened during a period of time when the fans were crying out for a Sasha heel turn and singles program with Bayley.

 

All in all, I'm not sure I'm pleased with the direction of either brand's Women's division. It certainly feels like they're treading water until they can turn Sasha and Charlotte and kick off the real programs against Bayley and Becky respectively but we may have to wait until WrestleMania season for that.

[milamber]

Dana isn't very good. Fans don't care about Mickie. Foxy is MIA. Bayley is in a cooling off period after the Extreme Rules crap. Now is the time to push Emma who is underrated. A secondary feud between her and Sasha after Great Balls while Nia and Bliss battle would be great. But Vince probably hates her for not committing to Emmalina <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/frown.png.e6b571745a30fe6a6f2e918994141a47.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

[jjohns44]

Writing is on the wall. Another team seems to be on the way to split. They are going to push Chad Gable as a singles and leave Jason Jordan out of the equation. Vince seems to hate tag teams

[The Final Countdown]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="jjohns44" data-cite="jjohns44" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Writing is on the wall. Another team seems to be on the way to split. <strong>They are going to push Chad Gable as a singles and leave Jason Jordan out of the equation.</strong> Vince seems to hate tag teams</div></blockquote><p> I haven't watched in months, but I'd imagine it'll be the other way around.</p>

[K-Nection]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="jjohns44" data-cite="jjohns44" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Writing is on the wall. Another team seems to be on the way to split. They are going to push Chad Gable as a singles and leave Jason Jordan out of the equation. Vince seems to hate tag teams</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I haven't watched in a long time but that sounds like a bad idea and there is no way it is time to break up American Alpha....</p><p> </p><p> Decisions like that is why I stopped watching the main shows. (I didn't wholly agree with breaking up DYI but they had at least written it correctly and it didn't feel rushed)</p>

[Mootinie]

I think it's a good idea. As individuals, they are much too talented to be the fourth most prominent tag team on the secondary brand. Their story of reluctant partners becoming a kick-ass singular entity had already reached its natural conclusion in NXT.

[Remianen]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="milamber" data-cite="milamber" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Dana isn't very good. Fans don't care about Mickie. Foxy is MIA. Bayley is in a cooling off period after the Extreme Rules crap. Now is the time to push Emma who is underrated. A secondary feud between her and Sasha after Great Balls while Nia and Bliss battle would be great. But Vince probably hates her for not committing to Emmalina <img alt=":(" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/frown.png.e6b571745a30fe6a6f2e918994141a47.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I don't think Emma had any say in the Emmalina thing. From everything Meltzer, Keller, etc were saying, they ( "they" being "WWE Creative" ) didn't like how she performed the gimmick so they scrapped it.</p><p> </p><p> And I think Bayley is ruined. It'll take years to get her back to where she was when she first came up. The way that Extreme Rules match went down made her look SO bad.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="jjohns44" data-cite="jjohns44" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Writing is on the wall. Another team seems to be on the way to split. They are going to push Chad Gable as a singles and leave Jason Jordan out of the equation. Vince seems to hate tag teams</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I think he loves tag teams....as long as they're composed of established singles stars (Rock & Sock, Two Man Power Trip, Brothers of Destruction, Rated RKO, JeriShow, etc).</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The Final Countdown" data-cite="The Final Countdown" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I haven't watched in months, but I'd imagine it'll be the other way around.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah, no. Jason hasn't been booked strongly against one of the biggest stars in the company. Chad was. Jordan's available (he's been working house shows) but for whatever reason, he just hasn't been used.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Mootinie" data-cite="Mootinie" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I think it's a good idea. As individuals, they are much too talented to be the fourth most prominent tag team on the secondary brand. Their story of reluctant partners becoming a kick-ass singular entity had already reached its natural conclusion in NXT.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I disagree. I just think that American Alpha (and The Revival) are better off in NXT whose fans enjoy workrate moreso than the audience on the main roster. Those two teams in particular put on matches that would play well ANYWHERE (and in almost any era).....except on Raw or even Smackdown. They're steak but they have very little sizzle and that's a problem, it seems.</p>

[jjohns44]

I had a feeling they were gonna pull the middle finger to fans with Cena lets make a HUGE deal about him coming back for like 2 months. Then when he returns, a 10 minute promo at the top of the show, and set up a 2 week feud(flavor of the era it seems) for a pay.per view match that would have made sense doing on the 4th of July(unless they are going to have Rusev win... Ha.. Ha.. Ha....)

[Rone Rivendale]

I could see Chad Gable being a RVD level guy. Win multiple IC and US titles and sniff the main event but never be a 'top' guy.

[K-Nection]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rone Rivendale" data-cite="Rone Rivendale" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I could see Chad Gable being a RVD level guy. Win multiple IC and US titles and sniff the main event but never be a 'top' guy.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> But RVD did actually win the main title (titles?) and he beat John Cena to do it. He would have had a better run if it wasn't for that very public traffic stop about 20 miles from where I live when him and Sabu got busted with all that Mary Jane lol.</p>

[Remianen]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rone Rivendale" data-cite="Rone Rivendale" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I could see Chad Gable being a RVD level guy. Win multiple IC and US titles and sniff the main event but never be a 'top' guy.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I would wager that 95% of wrestlers working today would kill for an "RVD level" career.</p><p> </p><p> Maybe you meant a 'Miz level guy'? Meaning, a flirtation with being a top guy but making his money primarily in the midcard?</p>

[Rone Rivendale]

<p>The Miz beat John Cena at WM to retain his World Title. So nah. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p>

I see your point about RVD though. The reason I said him though was because, much like Miz, he won a World Title but won several mid card titles and is more known for that.</p><p> </p><p>

There's actually a decent list of guys like that. Miz, RVD, Jericho, Christian, Ambrose is starting to look that way.</p>

[jjohns44]

news just broke that Austin Aries was released from WWE today! I am surprised because I thought the staff backstage was high on him and his work.

[The Final Countdown]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="jjohns44" data-cite="jjohns44" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>news just broke that Austin Aries was released from WWE today! I am surprised because I thought the staff backstage was high on him and his work.</div></blockquote><p> It sounds like he requested it.</p>

[Russelrules44]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The Final Countdown" data-cite="The Final Countdown" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It sounds like he requested it.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'm hoping we get answers soon, because from what it seems; Austin requested the release and it seemed to be on good terms.</p><p> </p><p> So, I don't know.</p><p> </p><p> In other news: Dixie Carter's going to be working with WWE, she'll be a part of the new Kurt Angle documentary they're working on.</p><p> </p><p> Also, A.J Styles is the new United States champion; he beat Kevin Owens in a live show for the title.</p>

[milamber]

<p>Gable did an interview where he said they aren't breaking up (unless they are and he was keeping it kayfabe). I think they just realise he's a work rate guy you can use to make guys like AJ and Owens look good. If anything Jordan would be the breakout singles star in Vince's eyes. Hype Bros look to be breaking up soon. Just a matter of who turns heel. Mojo eliminated Zack in the Battle Royale but I bet Zack turns out of jealousy.</p><p> </p><p>

Aries needs time to heel up I think. It might be a short term absense (like Mauro) or he just doesn't like the WWE schedule.</p><p> </p><p>

I wonder if the Dixie Carter thing (assuming she's on TV not just a Network documentary) is part of the Broken Hardys lawsuit case. WWE get the gimmick rights and the right to namedrop TNA but they have to pay Anthem more. I could see Anthem and JJ trying to milk some extra money out of WWE.</p>

[Blackman]

<p>If I'd take a guess I'd figure it's indeed because of the schedule. Might be taxing his body too much. He doesnt have the name yet to request an exeption. </p><p> </p><p>

Just learned Emma wasn't featured on RAW either. What's up with that? I am looking forward to GBoF as much as the next guy, but if it and Summaslam disappoint... I'm not sure what i'd do. <span class="ipsEmoji">😎</span></p>

[milamber]

GBoF has a good card with a strong build (except for Rollins vs Bray). Sucks the Cruiserweights are on the Kick-off but at least they'll get more time. The key to success for this PPV is giving us 15 minutes of Joe/Lesnar carnage and making sure Lesnar wins only by the skin of his teeth. Make Joe look credible and Lesnar look vulnerable.

[Blodyxe]

I think Aries has a big enough ego to be insulted about the fact creative has nothing for him. He can't just be stuck in the cruiserweight division, and apparently they only wanted him there. He knows he's a great wrestler, he will be just fine somewhere else.

 

Also, why so many tag teams are breaking up? They beat that thing into the ground a month ago, now you guys talka bout AA and Bros being next. Worst thing is nobody will care and it will lead them nowhere. One pay-per-view match that won't be anything special and then just nothing

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmiwSNsjbeA

[Blackman]

Might just be it. He's been a TNA big dog in the past, and big everywhere else. Now he's stuck at 205 and with a Mania appearance in the books, therr's little for him to achieve there. His added fame won't hurt his pricecard either.

 

As for tag teams: I never cared for those matches so I dont mind, but ut seems bad for business to break then up all at once.