The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

[milamber]

<p>Bliss, Bray, Ricochet and Truth the best parts of Raw.</p><p> </p><p>

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[milamber]

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[Greylocke]

Dang, I wasn't aware that they booked Velveteen Dream vs Tyler Breeze for the NA Title. Now I almost regret skipping Takeover XXV. Need to hunt that match down......somehow.

[milamber]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Greylocke" data-cite="Greylocke" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Dang, I wasn't aware that they booked Velveteen Dream vs Tyler Breeze for the NA Title. Now I almost regret skipping Takeover XXV. Need to hunt that match down......somehow.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It was arguably the weakest match on the show (followed closely by Shayna/Io because of the dumb finish) but still worth a watch if you are a fan of both. </p><p> </p><p> Watch Riddle vs Strong if you want to see one of the best pure workrate matches of the year.</p>

[Makhai]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="milamber" data-cite="milamber" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It was arguably the weakest match on the show (followed closely by Shayna/Io because of the dumb finish) but still worth a watch if you are a fan of both. <p> </p><p> Watch Riddle vs Strong if you want to see one of the best pure workrate matches of the year.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I thought Velveteen vs. Breeze suffered from a lot of X-7 booking. But it was pretty fantastic, Top-bottom the show was good, but it wasn't Brooklyn good. Just normal NXT good. Mauro was screaming so hard for this match you could hear him reverberating in the ringside mics.</p>

[Blackman]

This man is insane, why can't we stop watching this crap?

 

They should do a storyline where Trips plots to declare Vince clinically insane after having a worker with a "doctor/psychologist" gimmick follow Vince around backstage and behind the scenes for a week. Then declare him insane and have him removed from the arena in an asylum stretcher, upon where Trips can declare: "We'll never see him again. Not in a million years!" for the biggest pop of the decade. Yes... I have it all planned out, with Vince uttering the famous "You're fff..." before the doctor stuffs his mouth with duct tape (or maybe Foley with Socko).

 

Sounds like a storyline Vince would like.

[Makhai]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Blackman" data-cite="Blackman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>They should do a storyline where Trips plots to declare Vince clinically insane after having a worker with a "doctor/psychologist" gimmick follow Vince around backstage and behind the scenes for a week. Then declare him insane and have him removed from the arena in an asylum stretcher, upon where Trips can declare: "We'll never see him again. Not in a million years!" for the biggest pop of the decade. Yes... I have it all planned out, with Vince uttering the famous "You're fff..." before the doctor stuffs his mouth with duct tape (or maybe Foley with Socko).<p> </p><p> Sounds like a storyline Vince would like. <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> This would be a great storyline for like 2mos, then you could have the big doctor reveal to be... STEVEN RICHARDS! And he prescribes Vince the same cocktail of drugs he gave Linda. The problem is, Vince isn't quitting so eventually we're building up to a match where Vince gets FULL control of the company away from HHH, and then banishes Trips from WWE "Forever"(which is 2 RAWs, tops) </p><p> </p><p> The big match would probably be like Seth vs. Baron Corbin again. And the outcome would have to put the belt on Corbin. But this would be a great way for Vince to start the "INSANITY ERA" diary idea I've had for a while but have no interest in booking 300+ dudes on 5hrs of weekly TV to do it. Just picture it, "Baby" Adam Cole getting swaddled by Tamina and Nia Jax, Velveteen being a drag queen complete with him eventually going on RuPaul's Drag Race, Matt Riddle being raised by gorillas and swinging to the ring on vines unable to say any other word than "Bro".</p><p> </p><p> Need a vacuum cleaner to suck up all of this money.</p>

[Greylocke]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="milamber" data-cite="milamber" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It was arguably the weakest match on the show (followed closely by Shayna/Io because of the dumb finish) but still worth a watch if you are a fan of both. <p> </p><p> Watch Riddle vs Strong if you want to see one of the best pure workrate matches of the year.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Workrate comes second to me. I mostly watch for characters that I want to cheer for, unless it's a debut show like AEW Double of Nothing since it's too early for characters to be properly established so I'd judge mainly on the ring work. That's mostly why I stopped watching NXT US. So sick of Undisputed Era playing generic dominating heel stable #89080680586 (well, that, and Gargano's face run being abysmally booked with unnecessary turns and inconsistent personality, but I've already said a lot about that). They neither stand out to me as individuals or as a stable. All the members talk and wrestle so similarly that they feel piratically interchangeable. I'm not even sure why Adam Cole is their leader other than maybe him being the bigger singles star back in ROH (no idea, since I haven't watched it in years). It feels like if you were to take Cole out of one of his matches and replace him with one of the other tag team guys you'll get almost the exact same match.</p><p> </p><p> I watched Gargano and Cole wrestle each other 3 times at the last Takeover and found myself just longing for the match to end since there was no one I wanted to cheer for in that match.</p><p> </p><p> Riddle's ring work is fine, but I can't bring myself to cheer for someone who sounds like he's high on drugs all the time.</p><p> </p><p> I'd look for Dream/Breeze and possibly the ladder match (I like Street Profits and Lorcan/Burch).</p>

[The Two]

I love Undertaker, but I never want to see him wrestle again.

[Jaysin]

Undertaker vs Goldberg was embarrassing

[Makhai]

Undertaker vs Goldberg was embarrassing

 

This was a match that reeked of a company dying and desperate.

[milamber]

I pity anyone who watched Blood Money. Just a money-grubbing filler show headlined by wrestlers who should be long retired.

[BHK1978]

Workrate comes second to me. I mostly watch for characters that I want to cheer for, unless it's a debut show like AEW Double of Nothing since it's too early for characters to be properly established so I'd judge mainly on the ring work. That's mostly why I stopped watching NXT US. So sick of Undisputed Era playing generic dominating heel stable #89080680586 (well, that, and Gargano's face run being abysmally booked with unnecessary turns and inconsistent personality, but I've already said a lot about that). They neither stand out to me as individuals or as a stable. All the members talk and wrestle so similarly that they feel piratically interchangeable. I'm not even sure why Adam Cole is their leader other than maybe him being the bigger singles star back in ROH (no idea, since I haven't watched it in years). It feels like if you were to take Cole out of one of his matches and replace him with one of the other tag team guys you'll get almost the exact same match.

 

You know what it is, Cole has an actual personality and is not bad on interviews (Or at least he was not during his ROH days. I cannot comment on his NXT work as I do not have the Network). Bobby Fish is decent when it comes to personality and can be entertaining.

 

Roderick and Kyle have zero personality. I was honestly shocked when the WWE signed Kyle and Roderick (and to a lesser extent Bobby) because they are both so bland. You said you used to watch ROH, did you by any chance get to see Kyle when he was the color commentator for their television show?

 

He was beyond awful. I am not sure what genius decided to put him in that position, but yeah he was bad.

 

I am like you, I could give two craps about workrate. In fact, unless someone is godawful I will probably not even realize that they suck. Maybe the WWE hired them due to them being good in the ring...I don't know.

[shawn michaels]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Undertaker vs Goldberg was embarrassing</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> What are you even talking about? Did we watch the same show? It was awesome. Match of the year! Goldberg did one of the best ever executed run ins into a ring post, a very difficult move to do, mind you, and he even "bladed" <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> to surpass Dustin's amount of blood loss and there were back and forth well executed finishers in pivotal moments. The pace was amazing and their cardio was off the charts. They both clearly knew what they were doing and neither were at any point in danger considering there were no serious botches to threaten anyone's health. Heck, no botches at all, for that matter. <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> As I said, match of the year. <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[Jaysin]

<p>I will say that Triple H and Orton was much better than I expected. Might have been match of the night.</p><p> </p><p>

Also, apparently Goldberg legitimately knocked himself when he went head first into the post. Still, the match was terrible before that happened. They were winded just doing their entrances.</p>

[Makhai]

<p>I sat through this whole thing, and I hate myself and every human being that gives this company money. </p><p> </p><p>

<strong>The Usos (Jey Uso and Jimmy Uso) defeated The Revival (Scott Dawson and Dash Wilder)</strong> - D+: TV match on fast-forward</p><p> </p><p>

<strong>Seth Rollins © defeated Baron Corbin</strong> F+: This was certainly a match that happened, and they succeeded in turning Brock Lesnar into a bumbling idiot. And makes me not want to see him, or Heyman ever again.</p><p> </p><p>

<strong>Finn Bálor © defeated Andrade</strong> C: This match was a thing that happened.</p><p> </p><p>

<strong>Shane McMahon (with Drew McIntyre) defeated Roman Reigns</strong> F: This was Russo WCW booking if you put Russo in a match with Hogan. </p><p> </p><p>

<strong>Lars Sullivan defeated Lucha House Party (Gran Metalik, Kalisto, and Lince Dorado) by disqualification</strong> F-: Only way they could have botched this worse was if Lars lost clean.</p><p> </p><p>

<strong>Randy Orton defeated Triple H</strong> F: This match lasted 5 eternities complete with 3 more in an Orton chin lock. Worst match of the show, not wrested by Cryptkeepers in a sea of failure. I never want to see either of these guys wrestle again in my life.</p><p> </p><p>

<strong>Braun Strowman defeated Bobby Lashley</strong> D+: This was a TV match.</p><p> </p><p>

<strong>Kofi Kingston © (with Xavier Woods) defeated Dolph Ziggler</strong> C: This was a TV match. </p><p> </p><p>

<strong>Mansoor won by last eliminating Elias in 51-man BR</strong> D-: This was terrible, but at least the local guy won I guess. Looking forward to finding out Mansoor like decapitated 100 people for the Saudi government or something.</p><p> </p><p>

<strong>The Undertaker defeated Goldberg</strong> - Subterranean F------------------: Embarrassing, Sad, Pathetic, Wrong guy won, after 150 botches in a 7min match. Taker needs to be put in an old-folks community, never again for both.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>

<strong>Show Grade: F--- </strong>Probably the worst PPV of all-time. Certainly worse than Bash 2000, absolutely on the level of Heroes of Wrestling. This was a sad indy show without a bar, covered in Saudi blood money, in 100-degree heat. Couldn't have happened to a better company.</p>

[shawn michaels]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Makhai" data-cite="Makhai" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I sat through this whole thing, and I hate myself and every human being that gives this company money. <p> </p><p> <strong>The Usos (Jey Uso and Jimmy Uso) defeated The Revival (Scott Dawson and Dash Wilder)</strong> - D+: TV match on fast-forward</p><p> </p><p> <strong>Seth Rollins © defeated Baron Corbin</strong> F+: This was certainly a match that happened, and they succeeded in turning Brock Lesnar into a bumbling idiot. And makes me not want to see him, or Heyman ever again.</p><p> </p><p> <strong>Finn Bálor © defeated Andrade</strong> C: This match was a thing that happened.</p><p> </p><p> <strong>Shane McMahon (with Drew McIntyre) defeated Roman Reigns</strong> F: This was Russo WCW booking if you put Russo in a match with Hogan. </p><p> </p><p> <strong>Lars Sullivan defeated Lucha House Party (Gran Metalik, Kalisto, and Lince Dorado) by disqualification</strong> F-: Only way they could have botched this worse was if Lars lost clean.</p><p> </p><p> <strong>Randy Orton defeated Triple H</strong> F: This match lasted 5 eternities complete with 3 more in an Orton chin lock. Worst match of the show, not wrested by Cryptkeepers in a sea of failure. I never want to see either of these guys wrestle again in my life.</p><p> </p><p> <strong>Braun Strowman defeated Bobby Lashley</strong> D+: This was a TV match.</p><p> </p><p> <strong>Kofi Kingston © (with Xavier Woods) defeated Dolph Ziggler</strong> C: This was a TV match. </p><p> </p><p> <strong>Mansoor won by last eliminating Elias in 51-man BR</strong> D-: This was terrible, but at least the local guy won I guess. Looking forward to finding out Mansoor like decapitated 100 people for the Saudi government or something.</p><p> </p><p> <strong>The Undertaker defeated Goldberg</strong> - Subterranean F------------------: Embarrassing, Sad, Pathetic, Wrong guy won, after 150 botches in a 7min match. Taker needs to be put in an old-folks community, never again for both.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> <strong>Show Grade: F--- </strong>Probably the worst PPV of all-time. Certainly worse than Bash 2000, absolutely on the level of Heroes of Wrestling. This was a sad indy show without a bar, covered in Saudi blood money, in 100-degree heat. Couldn't have happened to a better company.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It was a Saudi glorified House Show. Your review is biased and especially exaggerated when you call it the worst ever. It was crap, but certainly not the biggest crap in pro wrestling history. Like I said somewhere else, the quality of Taker vs. Goldberg was better than I expected, given that none of them died while actually in the ring. <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[eayragt]

<p>Yeah, this was a house show, just like the last one.</p><p> </p><p>

Would have been a pretty good house show. Rubbish PPV, but if people are going to be willing to pay for it I'm not going to blame Vince for charging for it.</p>

[Warhawk8492]

Truly a facepalm worthy show all around. Is WWE making the Saudi shows bad on purpose so the Suadis loose interest so they can back out or are they just that incompetent?

[Makhai]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="shawn michaels" data-cite="shawn michaels" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It was a Saudi glorified House Show. Your review is biased and especially exaggerated when you call it the worst ever. It was crap, but certainly not the biggest crap in pro wrestling history. Like I said somewhere else, the quality of Taker vs. Goldberg was better than I expected, given that none of them died while actually in the ring. <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It was a 6hr Wrestlemania bro, not a house show. Can't you listen? And I've been to plenty of house shows, this was the worst house show ever. Someone is biased towards a product here, and it's not me.</p>

[shawn michaels]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Makhai" data-cite="Makhai" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It was a 6hr Wrestlemania bro, not a house show. Can't you listen? And I've been to plenty of house shows, this was the worst house show ever. Someone is biased towards a product here, and it's not me.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You are assuming i am somehow biased, which isn't true. It was a load of crap. It doesn't really matter what they promote it as, we all know it was a huge house show with huge production values made for the money grab. I am sure you wouldn't call it the worst thing in wrestling history if it wasn't for the location. As bad as it was, it was certainly not the worst in wrestling history. Though I'm pretty sure Vince is working to get there. <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[Blackman]

<p>Just let the Saoudi's have their fun, guys. Were you really expecting this to be a PPV-level event? At least it's on the level of last week's RAW, wrestling-wise. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p>

They did what they had to do. In the end, it's an extra show on top of the current schedule with no storyline tie-ins. It is what it is.</p>

[Jaysin]

Just let the Saoudi's have their fun, guys. Were you really expecting this to be a PPV-level event? At least it's on the level of last week's RAW, wrestling-wise.

 

They did what they had to do. In the end, it's an extra show on top of the current schedule with no storyline tie-ins. It is what it is.

 

Except every match other than the battle royale had a story line...

[shawn michaels]

Just let the Saoudi's have their fun, guys. Were you really expecting this to be a PPV-level event? At least it's on the level of last week's RAW, wrestling-wise.

 

They did what they had to do. In the end, it's an extra show on top of the current schedule with no storyline tie-ins. It is what it is.

 

This. I'm not gonna go into politics because we all know their regime and the bad things done by said regime, (I don't think anyone here is supporting that, so let's not even enter in political territory, as that always ends badly.) but there are actual wrestling fans there and they were very happy to be able to go to a WWE Show. And given that entertainment isn't exactly abundant there, I'm sure even non wrestling fans enjoyed the ride. The WWE did its house show with fireworks and all and got their paycheck.

 

I'm just curious to see how long Vince will maintain this approach of getting 50 year olds in the ring when he needs known names, or having guys like Lesnar being overpaid, etc, when Smackdown starts to air on Fox. Cause if he doesn't improve something in the meanwhile, that is gonna be a bumpy ride for them, to say the least.

[Makhai]

Except every match other than the battle royale had a story line...

 

The show was canon, and all of their main-event storylines were furthered, with a "dream" match and a WM HHH match... but yeah, this was a house show. Trips wrestles 30mins at every house show in Soix Falls.