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BurningHamster · October 5, 2010

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Tarver has no charisma, sucks in the ring, and looks like an ugly Monty Brown...</div></blockquote> And has horrible punches for someone they tried to build up as being a boxer. But he's black not ginger, so of course he must be better than Slater right? <img alt=":rolleyes:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

Jaysin · October 5, 2010

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BurningHamster" data-cite="BurningHamster" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>And has horrible punches for someone they tried to build up as being a boxer. But he's black not ginger, so of course he must be better than Slater right? <img alt=":rolleyes:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png"></div></blockquote> I like Slater personally. I just wish they'd cut his hair and give him some kind of spikey hair cut or something.

BurningHamster · October 5, 2010

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I like Slater personally. I just wish they'd cut his hair and give him some kind of spikey hair cut or something.</div></blockquote> But then his ridiculous headbobbing dance would be less effective! Though I am pretty sure he doesn't even do that anymore.

juggaloninjalee · October 5, 2010

I never really cared for Undertaker. He has had more BAD matches in the WWE with more bad wrestlers than anyone in the history of wrestling. Kamala, Giant Gonzalez, and many more. Not that those matches were his fault but still. His character has had cool moments but I am so tired of him.

ChrisKid · October 5, 2010

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I like Slater personally. I just wish they'd cut his hair and give him some kind of spikey hair cut or something.</div></blockquote> Like to see this

Jaysin · October 5, 2010

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="juggaloninjalee" data-cite="juggaloninjalee" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I never really cared for Undertaker. He has had more BAD matches in the WWE with more bad wrestlers than anyone in the history of wrestling. Kamala, Giant Gonzalez, and many more. Not that those matches were his fault but still. His character has had cool moments but I am so tired of him.</div></blockquote> As far as "evil" or "demonic" gimmicks go, I've always liked Vampiro more. I know that's "heresy" and all, but Vampiro has always entertained me more. Though, I've always been a massive Kane fan and if it wasn't for Undertaker we wouldn't have that character...sooo...

alden · October 5, 2010

I have a few.

Booker t: I started with the "king booker" stuff. That started to really get to me. The bad accent and sharmel was just hard. Then his tna stuff was even worse. The guy can work a mic i don't get why he has to do the stupid accents.

The steiners: pre nwo.....they could actuly work. I would always mute them on a interview but the two go could when they needed to. Now watching a scott steiner match is just hard. It is odd to think that in the late 80's and early 90's he wa a good technical wrestler *well a good wrestler*.

sting: I was a huge *HUGE* sting fan. I even liked his more in his nwo stuff but i don't know why now but i just don't care about him any more. I don't think there is anything i can point to and say i don't like this but i just don't really care about him any more.

sebsplex · October 5, 2010

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Self" data-cite="Self" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I actually do like the idea behind the Undertaker/Kane feud. Thematically it's very strong, with the little brother finally overpowering his elder sibling. On a certain level I dig it, but I was sick of these guys 5 years ago. I don't like watching them in the ring. Undertaker moves really badly these days. I've never liked Kane. </div></blockquote> I'm in the same boat. I can't really criticise the WWE for the running or the booking of the feud, from that perspective, it's been a well-developed storyline. My problem is that I didn't care when they last rehashed this feud or really cared about it since the late nineties when it first came around. I don't particularly dislike either wrestler (although neither thrill me in the ring) and I do enjoy them getting together as the Brothers of Destruction, but I just can't get into this feud or root for any outcome. In the WWE's defense, given the demographic they're aiming for, a reasonable portion of their fanbase where either not born or were only 2-5 years old the last time this feud played out, so they're probably finding it gripping. <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Self" data-cite="Self" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>To me, John Morrison needs a strong program. I think this for a lot of 'almost' guys. A strong feud with a bonafide main eventer would do wonders for him. He's had good matches. He's won. He's lost. He's talked a bit. Whatever. He's never had a truly bitter rivalry to help define him.</div></blockquote> Again, I agree. Morrison as a face really hasn't established any sort of identity as a character to make him stand out enough. He feels too vanilla. It's a bit like the recent segment of him doing parkour backstage - it's cool, but so what? That doesn't really give me any reason to cheer for him or want him to win. He's been well-defined as a heel since his days as Bischoff's lackey, MNM, his move to ECW and becoming Morrison, etc, but since splitting with the Miz, he just hasn't really advanced. He's had wins, he's put on some great matches, his promos are technically solid, but he needs a proper feud to really sink his teeth into and establish himself from the rest of the pack underneath the main event. <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="djthefunkchris" data-cite="djthefunkchris" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It might surprise a few people to know I also felt the HIAC lost something. I didn't think it would matter to me, but just not utilizing it makes it just another cage match, or better yet... just another match. I do feel they could have done something, but I guess the worry that something might happen (blood) kept them from doing so. IF that's going to be the case, yeah... Either don't use it at all anymore, or go back to the way it used to be.</div></blockquote> Yeah, I think the HIAC matches really need to go either of two ways. They need to be innovative, using the cell, a diverse spot or bump that isn't possible in other match settings or they need to be brutal, nasty down and dirty brawling, blood, etc. I'm not arguing that blood makes a great match or that we need Mick Foley-like bumps in every single one or insane spots - I think somebody else already brought up the DX/Legacy match where the cell was a key part of the match's story. If you're just going to work a normal match and have a cell around the ring, it's a waste of time and is only going to make the gimmick less attractive/profitable when you try and use it again. Pointless.

ampulator · October 5, 2010

ACtually, I don't even think KIDS find it gripping. In fact, it seems like SMARKS like the storyline more than kids do, which is ironic.

I think the basis for the storyline is solid. WWE did solid booking this time... the problem is, though, Kane and Undertaker just don't have chemistry as opponents. It's not they are particularly awful against each other, but there doesn't seem to be any... how shoud I say... rivalry between, despite what the WWE wanted or wants us to believe.

I REALLY want to believe in the storyline... but it just doesn't work.

Sometimes, things just don't work out, no matter how hard we try and want it to work out. Kane/Undertaker rivalry is one of those things.

It's kind of like Orton/Cena. Theoretically solid. They just don't have that chemistry agaisnt each other. It just doesn't work.

I hate to use this as an example... but... Flair/Sting or Flair/Steamboat or Roberts/Steamboat has that kind of chemistry. Or Dibiase/Roberts. You can feel it. And I'm not talking about ring psychology either, because neither Kane nor Undertaker are bad in the ring. It's more of interactions/meshes/clashes. HHH/HBK has that kind of chemistry, except their matches are only okay.

djthefunkchris · October 5, 2010

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ampulator" data-cite="ampulator" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>ACtually, I don't even think KIDS find it gripping. In fact, it seems like SMARKS like the storyline more than kids do, which is ironic. I think the basis for the storyline is solid. WWE did solid booking this time... the problem is, though, Kane and Undertaker just don't have chemistry as opponents. It's not they are particularly awful against each other, but there doesn't seem to be any... how shoud I say... rivalry between, despite what the WWE wanted or wants us to believe. I REALLY want to believe in the storyline... but it just doesn't work. Sometimes, things just don't work out, no matter how hard we try and want it to work out. Kane/Undertaker rivalry is one of those things. It's kind of like Orton/Cena. Theoretically solid. They just don't have that chemistry agaisnt each other. It just doesn't work. I hate to use this as an example... but... Flair/Sting or Flair/Steamboat or Roberts/Steamboat has that kind of chemistry. Or Dibiase/Roberts. You can feel it. And I'm not talking about ring psychology either, because neither Kane nor Undertaker are bad in the ring. It's more of interactions/meshes/clashes. HHH/HBK has that kind of chemistry, except their matches are only okay.</div></blockquote> /nod. I've enjoyed the promo's and such, I even thought it was cool to bring PB back, but I'm not into it at all really.... And I think I've pegged why. The storyline just seems to "Petty" for "SuperPowers", let alone Brothers. It's reminiscent of the Hardy vs. Hardy feud, only not as interesting. If there were something else they were actually fighting for.... They do this sometimes though. Bringing the Devil into the storyline for example, makes it "hokey". Kind of on the same mentallity as HBK tag teaming with GOD. It works on a tv show, that is supposed to be fiction, or even a show that's a fictional representation of reality. However, although Wrestling is a fictional reality of actual sports competition, it's closer to real competition then fake competition when watching it, so throwing in that level of "SYFY" (hmm, they are on SyFy now) makes it more hokier then the Power they emulate Taker having. I can't help to believe, that if they would have just had it about the Belt, it would have been a better feud/more interest in it.

ampulator · October 5, 2010

I really wanto like Kane/Undertaker, but it just doesn't work... in any case...

seriously, when WWE is at it's lowest ebb in terms of ratings, they kick it up a notch. Randy Orton as champ. Nexus being booked pretty well. Edge as a decent face. Alberto del Rio as a great heel. Miz on the rise. Despite not working out, Kane/Undertaker was booked correctly.

Solid shows this month.

PeterHilton · October 5, 2010

Interesting stuff lately in the thread about Taker/Kane and the difference between a bad broadcast network and a decent to good cable channel..

Just wanted to say that - in this case - the methodical booking and writing of the WWE should really benefit the Nexus/Cena storyline.

Because if it eventually does lead to a Cena turn (with maybe the fans and WWE roster turning their backs on Cena because of his actions even though he's being 'forced' to do what Nexus orders him to, and Cena's resentment growing) it's going to take a LOOOOONG time to make the turn stick and work effectively.

No sudden change. They'll need months but it could work well.

djthefunkchris · October 5, 2010

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="PeterHilton" data-cite="PeterHilton" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Interesting stuff lately in the thread about Taker/Kane and the difference between a bad broadcast network and a decent to good cable channel.. Just wanted to say that - in this case - the methodical booking and writing of the WWE should really benefit the Nexus/Cena storyline. Because if it eventually does lead to a Cena turn (with maybe the fans and WWE roster turning their backs on Cena because of his actions even though he's being 'forced' to do what Nexus orders him to, and Cena's resentment growing) it's going to take a LOOOOONG time to make the turn stick and work effectively. No sudden change. They'll need months but it could work well.</div></blockquote> Yeah, I could feel that... When Henry was looking at Cena like "What are you doing?" and Cena was looking back at him like "Do you have to ask? You know what's going on, I don't have a choice". I got all that out of not being able to hear a thing, just looking at their reactions in the ring (Psychology;)). Cena will eventually start getting upset with everyone for not understanding... he won't even really have to change anything outside of a perspective on the way things are. "I'm not giving up! Giving up would be to quit, and I'm not a quitter!" "Why can't anyone understand? This is MY LIFE, it's all I know!" Etc. I can feel it coming.

ampulator · October 5, 2010

Interesting stuff lately in the thread about Taker/Kane and the difference between a bad broadcast network and a decent to good cable channel..

Just wanted to say that - in this case - the methodical booking and writing of the WWE should really benefit the Nexus/Cena storyline.

Because if it eventually does lead to a Cena turn (with maybe the fans and WWE roster turning their backs on Cena because of his actions even though he's being 'forced' to do what Nexus orders him to, and Cena's resentment growing) it's going to take a LOOOOONG time to make the turn stick and work effectively.

No sudden change. They'll need months but it could work well.

The problem with MyNetworkTV wasn't it got smaller or bigger.... it wsa that it was unstable. It went from UPN to CW and then it went downhill from there. The lack of stability is what hurt the WWE. Some people had the station, some others didn't.... for BROADCAST TV, and it wasn't clear who and who didn't. Who the heck would want that as their station, especially if it's non-cable? Heck, it was non-cable, they could have probably gotten another deal with another broadcast network that was more stable.

I think they still want their shows to be on broadcast TV, it's just that, they get better deals no Cable TV. Any fan that has played either WMMA2 or TEW2010 has a little, tiny glimpse on why they might choose to go on a smaller or less-exposed network.

djthefunkchris · October 5, 2010

The problem with MyNetworkTV wasn't it got smaller or bigger.... it wsa that it was unstable. It went from UPN to CW and then it went downhill from there. The lack of stability is what hurt the WWE. Some people had the station, some others didn't.... for BROADCAST TV, and it wasn't clear who and who didn't. Who the heck would want that as their station, especially if it's non-cable? Heck, it was non-cable, they could have probably gotten another deal with another broadcast network that was more stable.

I think they still want their shows to be on broadcast TV, it's just that, they get better deals no Cable TV. Any fan that has played either WMMA2 or TEW2010 has a little, tiny glimpse on why they might choose to go on a smaller or less-exposed network.

To me, this was a step up for them. I wasn't liking the other network much anyways. I could never remember what station it was on for one thing, making me miss the first few minutes ussually.

SyFy I can remember, lol. It's a channel everyone knows and utilize's at least every now and then. It's not like the Hallmark channel or something... where the only reason you would use it was to watch Wrestling (which is what the other network was for me).

ampulator · October 5, 2010

That's my point, though. If it was more stable, MyNetworkTV would kept SD. The thing was, they were unstable, and WWE had to find a better deal. Still, at some point, WWE will try to get a broadcast TV deal (if they aren't already).

Foir you to see it as a step up (which it is, sadly), shows you how screwed-up MyNetworkTV is.

Stennick · October 5, 2010

There is no way Vince could get on network t.v again anytime soon. That means he's on ABC, NBC, FOX, CBS or the CW. None of those networks are remotely interested in the WWE for their network stations.

Remember a few years ago SNME was doing a 1.0 on NBC? Even the re run of Wrestlemania on Broadcast t.v for free didn't score a high rating. Nobody on network t.v is willing to touch Vince he doesn't draw the numbers needed to be on network television.

On top of that Vince would love to not be completely under the NBC Universal umbrella. It has been proven that nobody wants to do business with Vince outside of NBC Universal.

Smackdown went from the CW to Mytv to SyFy. If FX, or TNT or anybody else was interested in Smackdown Vince would have much rather went to them but Smackdown is on its third station in what five years?

NBC Universal said if SD is on SyFy then NXT had to go. Vince knew this a year ago when he made the deal and yet in a year he made no other deal in place for the show on any network.

The sad truth is nobody outside of NBC Universal is interested in pro wrestling right now. Their mostly interested in it to keep Vince happy. RAW helps USA win the cable ratings war all the time. Because RAW is such a cable ratings monster they allow Vince a little bit of leeway with first ECW, then NXT and now SyFy.

So not only is broadcast t.v not interested in Vince (because even if it cost Vince money the exposure from broadcast television in invaluable) but cable networks aren't interested in him either.

Cable has constantly re invented itself and now in the last few years with FX, USA, TNT, TBS, A&E and even MTV their all airing more prime time, original programming YEAR ROUND than ever before. Vince and pro wrestling no longer rules cable programming as they look to "legitimize" themselves as respectable broadcast entities.

ampulator · October 5, 2010

Heh, it's a catch-22. The stigma against wrestling has disappeard more and more every year, but instead of the problem being "wrasslin", it's the problem of ratings, which I agree.

Here's the thing, though. Even if a network is interested, they WILL NOT give Vince the time slot he likes. So, he might as well go to a cable station instead.

PeterHilton · October 5, 2010

So not only is broadcast t.v not interested in Vince (because even if it cost Vince money the exposure from broadcast television in invaluable) but cable networks aren't interested in him either.

Cable has constantly re invented itself and now in the last few years with FX, USA, TNT, TBS, A&E and even MTV their all airing more prime time, original programming YEAR ROUND than ever before. Vince and pro wrestling no longer rules cable programming as they look to "legitimize" themselves as respectable broadcast entities.

Great points which isn't surprising since it *is* your line of work..so here's th question: is there still a possibility that Vince just starts his own cable station?

The ratings aren't there which is most likely the primary obstacle I assume..but with as much programming/footage as they have wouldn't that be an option?

i also read a lot about how eventually the internet will swallow TV as we know it..couldn't the E just create an online library like zulu of all the stuff they own?

Stennick · October 5, 2010

P.H that is the direction he wants to go. NHL, NFL, MLB, etc all have their own channels.

In fact last I heard this was in the works anyway but there was a lot of red tape (money) to get this done.

I don't know anything about it but I know I heard that it was a plan atleast a year ago.

I agree its not that they don't want "wrasslin" because if they were generating the 8.0's they were getting in 2000 then everyone would be lined up to get them. Its more or less ratings and sponsor issues that prevent them from getting television deals that are more desirable.

ampulator · October 5, 2010

P.H that is the direction he wants to go. NHL, NFL, MLB, etc all have their own channels.

In fact last I heard this was in the works anyway but there was a lot of red tape (money) to get this done.

I don't know anything about it but I know I heard that it was a plan atleast a year ago.

I agree its not that they don't want "wrasslin" because if they were generating the 8.0's they were getting in 2000 then everyone would be lined up to get them. Its more or less ratings and sponsor issues that prevent them from getting television deals that are more desirable.

I don't think it's even sponsors anymore. I think it's ratings, period. Once WWE got rid of the hardcore, daredevil, and risque stuff, I think people became a lot less uncomfortable with them.

The Celt · October 6, 2010

Walks into the GDS WWE Discussion thread

No-one is talking about the brillance of the "Cena joins the Nexus" angle

Head Explodes, then reforms, I type this paragraph

Head about to explode again and again until people begin complement WWE on making RAW must watch episodic television again

TheEdgeOfReason · October 6, 2010

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The Celt" data-cite="The Celt" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Walks into the GDS WWE Discussion thread No-one is talking about the brillance of the "Cena joins the Nexus" angle Head Explodes, then reforms, I type this paragraph Head about to explode again and again until people begin complement WWE on making RAW must watch episodic television again</div></blockquote> Not sure if srs.

Stennick · October 6, 2010

I wouldn't say RAW is must watch t.v again. I'll admit that I tuned into the start of RAW just to see Cena join the Nexus, I was put off by the fact that he started doing the same thing he always does with a different arm band on. I understand that later on he had to "do what he said". I didn't make it that far.

djthefunkchris · October 6, 2010

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I wouldn't say RAW is must watch t.v again. I'll admit that I tuned into the start of RAW just to see Cena join the Nexus, I was put off by the fact that he started doing the same thing he always does with a different arm band on. I understand that later on he had to "do what he said". I didn't make it that far.</div></blockquote> He's being forced to follow the leadership of the Nexxus, or he will be fired (Email from the General Manager)... Even though it would hurt bussiness, and the GM would hate to do it, HE WILL FIRE HIM! And all he knows is WWE Wrestling... HE can't do anything else. "You people have to understand that this is all I have?!" I can here it now, later down the line... "I would understand if it were ANY OF YOU! But do you understand? NOOOO! That Tells me who my real friends are around here!" "You know, you can talk bad about Nexxus all you want, and I'll agree with alot of it, but I can't deny, that at least THEY have my back! YOU DON'T!" "THEY UNDERSTAND ME BETTER THEN I THOUGHT!" etc.

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