The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

[crownsy]

<p>Doubt the list is in order, too many "huh?" guys in the top twenty who should be in the lower 25, and vice versa.</p><p> </p><p>

I could see HBK at the top. They can't really put hogan there, he works for a rival company atm, i see them putting hogan 2 or 3rd, and probably putting austin in the top 3 as well.</p>

[ampulator]

I would put Flair on top, Hogan 2nd, Austin 3rd. It's all debatable, though, really.

[The Final Countdown]

<p>When 'Naitch retired, they heralded him as the unquestioned best ever. Now, he's #17. Wonder why....<img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p>

(Assuming this is in order, of course.)</p>

[PeterHilton]

<p>First off...if it's in order it's a total joke. </p><p> </p><p>

Hogan shouldn't drop below 3rd; without him the WWF doesn't have nearly the same amount of success as they did in the 80s.</p><p> </p><p>

And these WWE DVDs always have wonky criteria so I can totally see them excluding Sting because he never worked there.</p><p> </p><p>

And unless it's a list that leans heavily on "work rate" and "in ring" Flair really doesn't deserve to be in the top 5...from a popularity/drawing power/household name standpoint the top of the list should be some mix of Hogan/Andre/Taker/Rock/Austin/Cena with Ric just outside that.</p>

[Basmat01]

<p>I LMAO when I saw Rey Mysterio at ninth</p><p> </p><p>

Was is Batista even on that list?</p>

[BurningHamster]

<p>I'm assuming it's not in order but knowing WWE, you never can tell.</p><p> </p><p>

I am not sure if there is anything people will disagree more on than a list.</p>

[ampulator]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="PeterHilton" data-cite="PeterHilton" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>First off...if it's in order it's a total joke. <p> </p><p> Hogan shouldn't drop below 3rd; without him the WWF doesn't have nearly the same amount of success as they did in the 80s.</p><p> </p><p> And these WWE DVDs always have wonky criteria so I can totally see them excluding Sting because he never worked there.</p><p> </p><p> And unless it's a list that leans heavily on "work rate" and "in ring" Flair really doesn't deserve to be in the top 5...from a popularity/drawing power/household name standpoint the top of the list should be some mix of Hogan/Andre/Taker/Rock/Austin/Cena with Ric just outside that.</p></div></blockquote><p> All except John Cena, I would say. There's no way he's above Flair overall.</p>

[PeterHilton]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ampulator" data-cite="ampulator" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>All except John Cena, I would say. There's no way he's above Flair overall.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Listen, I love Ric. He's a world beater in the ring, one of the greatest performers of all time, and easily on of the most entertaining talkers I've heard in any form of entertainment industry.</p><p> </p><p> But Cena's been THE biggest star in wrestling since like 05...he's been a headliner at six straight WM's...he's generated more revenue for the company in merchandise alone than some of those guys (like Bret, Nash, Guerrero) did as complete draw... when he's done the "height" of his popularity will have lasted longer than everyone except for Hogan and *maybe* Taker (depending on how you judge his height)..</p><p> </p><p> Just MO...but wrestling is a work which means the most important criteria for judging a talent is Can They Draw? And Cena has been the biggest draw in the WWE for a very long time and that counts for more - to me - than any kind of critical acclaim Flair gets</p>

[Wrestling Century]

Wait a minute! Sting and Vader aren't on this list? Those are two of my favorite wrestlers of all time! IMO both of those wrestlers are way better than Batista.

[Johnny Fenoli]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Genadi" data-cite="Genadi" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Isn't it impossible to be a heel from the south whilst wearing a cowboy hat? </div></blockquote><p> </p><p> <span>http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/wp-content/migration/images/jbl.jpg</span></p>

[lazorbeak]

Yeah it's a list of who's on a DVD, folks. Not an exhaustively calculated ranking in order of relative importance. Just look at it. Where was this outrage when Billy Kidman appeared on a "best of the cruiserweights" dvd?!

[Jaysin]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lazorbeak" data-cite="lazorbeak" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yeah it's a list of who's on a DVD, folks. Not an exhaustively calculated ranking in order of relative importance. Just look at it. Where was this outrage when Billy Kidman appeared on a "best of the cruiserweights" dvd?!</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Did you watch WCW? He had a ton of great cruiserweight matches.</p>

[lazorbeak]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Did you watch WCW? He had a ton of great cruiserweight matches.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Your humor detector may be broken. <img alt=":(" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/frown.png.e6b571745a30fe6a6f2e918994141a47.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[Jaysin]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lazorbeak" data-cite="lazorbeak" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Your humor detector may be broken. <img alt=":(" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/frown.png.e6b571745a30fe6a6f2e918994141a47.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png"></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It may be...I've had a total of 3 hours of sleep since Thursday and yeah, its broked <img alt=":o" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/redface.png.900245280682ef18c5d82399a93c5827.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png"></p>

[Tha Black Phenom]

<p>I honestly doubt it's in order. It sounds like it's just gonna be a countdown throughout the DVD, going on superstar after superstar and that they'll finish it off with Shawn Michaels. There is no way WWE could ever accumulate such a list without getting blasted in the ass by everyone on all sides.</p><p> </p><p>

I honestly doubt they spent a lot of time thinking and debating over this just to release a quick list for an upcoming DVD release without any explanation, reasoning or not even mention the criteria which they base the order on.</p>

[ampulator]

Listen, I love Ric. He's a world beater in the ring, one of the greatest performers of all time, and easily on of the most entertaining talkers I've heard in any form of entertainment industry.

 

But Cena's been THE biggest star in wrestling since like 05...he's been a headliner at six straight WM's...he's generated more revenue for the company in merchandise alone than some of those guys (like Bret, Nash, Guerrero) did as complete draw... when he's done the "height" of his popularity will have lasted longer than everyone except for Hogan and *maybe* Taker (depending on how you judge his height)..

 

Just MO...but wrestling is a work which means the most important criteria for judging a talent is Can They Draw? And Cena has been the biggest draw in the WWE for a very long time and that counts for more - to me - than any kind of critical acclaim Flair gets

Here's the problem, though, with that listen. Steamboat above Flair? Really? If you are talking about drawing power and money, then Flair made people more money than Steamboat did.

 

And I love Steamboat, and I prefer him over Flair. but even I recgonize that he's above Steamboat... and John Cena. Does he draw money? Yes. But comparatively speaking, what he's done is unimpressive to me. Even when comes to drawing money. He needs to be drawling a lot more to impress me.

[alden]

I think it is a shame sting is not on the list because to be honest he was the savage of the wcw *the number two draw after flair, where savage was the number two draw after hogan*. Sting does not get all the props he should get from people.

 

HBK will be near the top of the list but i see it being either taker or austin. Hogan will not be number one because of his work with tna.

[Johnny Fenoli]

Someone should start a thread where we all submit our own top 10 or 20... Then we compile those lists to make a GDS Top 50 of All Time. By using who recieved the most votes.

[ampulator]

Someone should start a thread where we all submit our own top 10 or 20... Then we compile those lists to make a GDS Top 50 of All Time. By using who recieved the most votes.

It's going to be weird, because it will have to be a ranked voting system of some kind, ala, STV.

 

I think it is a shame sting is not on the list because to be honest he was the savage of the wcw *the number two draw after flair, where savage was the number two draw after hogan*. Sting does not get all the props he should get from people.

 

HBK will be near the top of the list but i see it being either taker or austin. Hogan will not be number one because of his work with tna.

 

I think Sting belongs in the list, and that Hogan deserves the top spot. The guy was good performer when he had to be pre-WWF. His matches with Andre in Japan were pretty good for what they were. On a related note, Andre could sell. Hell, if his matches against the Warrior didnt' prove it, I don't know what will.

[BHK1978]

It's going to be weird, because it will have to be a ranked voting system of some kind, ala, STV.

 

 

 

I think Sting belongs in the list, and that Hogan deserves the top spot. The guy was good performer when he had to be pre-WWF. His matches with Andre in Japan were pretty good for what they were.

 

Yes your top vote could be worth twenty points and then you work your way backwards. A thread like that could start a flame war, I mean look at how worked up people get in the NBA thread when you disagree with them about Phil Jackson.

[ampulator]

Yes your top vote could be worth twenty points and then you work your way backwards. A thread like that could start a flame war, I mean look at how worked up people get in the NBA thread when you disagree with them about Phil Jackson.

Heh, there's enough of that on here about the futrure of the WWE and John Cena.

[alden]

andrea could sell like no others. To be honest there is nothing a person could do to a person that size but people like hogan and warrior and even the heart foundation were able to go over him.

[ampulator]

andrea could sell like no others. To be honest there is nothing a person could do to a person that size but people like hogan and warrior and even the heart foundation were able to go over him.

I agree. For a man his size, he sold well. A lot of the heavier wrestlers can learn a thing or two about selling.

[Prophet]

andrea could sell like no others. To be honest there is nothing a person could do to a person that size but people like hogan and warrior and even the heart foundation were able to go over him.

 

I love the story that the Brain told about Andre on the Warrior DVD. When Warrior would go full boar into Andre with the clothesline, so Andre could tie himself in the ropes. And Andre kept telling him to take it easy, but Warrior wouldn't listen, until one night, when the Giant was sick of it. So when Warrior came rushing in at 100 miles an hour, Andre held out his fist, and dropped Warrior like a sack. Such a gentle, patient man that you'd never want to be on the wrong side of. lol

 

As for the list, my guess is the order is more how or when they were decided on. The group sat, said they were discussing the list, Hunter says Shawn's gotta be on, and everyone agrees. Someone else suggest Flair, and some agree, and some say "well, he's in TNA" so it's held off. Or a scenario that makes more sense when it pertains to people who live within the business.

 

When the DVD itself comes out, I'd bet dollars to donuts (mmm ... donuts ... *drools*) that #1 is gonna belong to Stone Cold. Somehow he seems to always top these GOAT lists anymore. At least when it pertains to the WWE.

[ampulator]

I love the story that the Brain told about Andre on the Warrior DVD. When Warrior would go full boar into Andre with the clothesline, so Andre could tie himself in the ropes. And Andre kept telling him to take it easy, but Warrior wouldn't listen, until one night, when the Giant was sick of it. So when Warrior came rushing in at 100 miles an hour, Andre held out his fist, and dropped Warrior like a sack. Such a gentle, patient man that you'd never want to be on the wrong side of. lol

 

As for the list, my guess is the order is more how or when they were decided on. The group sat, said they were discussing the list, Hunter says Shawn's gotta be on, and everyone agrees. Someone else suggest Flair, and some agree, and some say "well, he's in TNA" so it's held off. Or a scenario that makes more sense when it pertains to people who live within the business.

 

When the DVD itself comes out, I'd bet dollars to donuts (mmm ... donuts ... *drools*) that #1 is gonna belong to Stone Cold. Somehow he seems to always top these GOAT lists anymore. At least when it pertains to the WWE.

Austin deserves that spot too, but I don't think, as much as Hogan does. and I LOVE Stone Cold. But Hogan's pre-WWF career was way more storied, and he literally helped Vince make the WWF what it was in the 80's.

 

Austin did something similar, but it's hard to say his post-WWE or pre-WWF career was all that impressive. He was a journeyman wrestler until he became Stone Cold Steve Austin. Hogan had a lot more success before the WWE and after it.

 

Again, I have to say this... I prefer Stone Cold over Hulk Hogan. But Hogan's just that important. He was one of the key, if not, the key wrestlers that changed the definining product of wrestling. Instead of focusing on old-school, traditional style of wrestling, it ws transitioned into a more "sports entertainment" style of wrestling more digestable for the masses (at the time).

 

That's not something even Austin can claim to do.