ampulator Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 The WWE is doing this obviously to promote the next upcoming masked superstar, Sin Cara because Rey Mysterio is near the end of his leash and they know the Mexican fans need someone to cheer and Sin Cara is going to be the new man. They could have just left Dos Caras as is if that ws the case... oh well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoNdOn Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 They could have just left Dos Caras as is if that ws the case... oh well. They want a flashy high-flier and for all his merits, Del Rio is not a high-flier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashasheen Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 The WWE is doing this obviously to promote the next upcoming masked superstar, Sin Cara because Rey Mysterio is near the end of his leash and they know the Mexican fans need someone to cheer and Sin Cara is going to be the new man. Indeed. I say they have Rey introduce Sin Cara to the fans, and then team Rey & Sin Cara as a tag-team and give them a run with the titles before Rey leaves the WWE. Then, catapult Sin Cara to the title, preferably held by Alberto Del Rio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 The WWE is doing this obviously to promote the next upcoming masked superstar, Sin Cara because Rey Mysterio is near the end of his leash and they know the Mexican fans need someone to cheer and Sin Cara is going to be the new man. Because Mexican fans can only cher guys with masks? Indeed. I say they have Rey introduce Sin Cara to the fans, and then team Rey & Sin Cara as a tag-team and give them a run with the titles before Rey leaves the WWE. Then, catapult Sin Cara to the title, preferably held by Alberto Del Rio. Y'know...I keep hearing Rey is retiring and he keeps on "not retiring" If I were him I'd tour Mexico for big $$$ for a year and then come back for one more run. His in-ring work hasn't suffered, and he's still over. Unless he's dying to hang 'em up, I don't see where there's this NEED to retire. Sure he has his backstage issues, but they are no worse than quite a few guys on the roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOnu Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 This big promo about Mistico is simply a question of money. Dirt sheets aren't putting a number, but it is said that the WWE paid a crap load of money to sign Mistico, an amount big enough to justify bypassing a development stay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantabulous Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Y'know...I keep hearing Rey is retiring and he keeps on "not retiring" If I were him I'd tour Mexico for big $$$ for a year and then come back for one more run. His in-ring work hasn't suffered, and he's still over. Unless he's dying to hang 'em up, I don't see where there's this NEED to retire. Sure he has his backstage issues, but they are no worse than quite a few guys on the roster. Rey's knees are in terrible shape, although they've been bad for years. Part of the reason he has 'heat' is because he doesn't want to work a full schedule partly because he wants to wind down and partly because he knows he can't last as long on a full schedule with his body the way it is. And for Rey to earn big money in Mexico, on the scale they pay, he would have to work, at least, the equivalent of a full-time WWE schedule, and probably more than that. Not to mention the toll Mexican rings would take on his already shot knees; they don't have the give US rings do, and are rock hard, so he'd be hurting himself even more for almost as much money as if he were to simply stay in WWE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Rey's knees are in terrible shape, although they've been bad for years. Part of the reason he has 'heat' is because he doesn't want to work a full schedule partly because he wants to wind down and partly because he knows he can't last as long on a full schedule with his body the way it is. And for Rey to earn big money in Mexico, on the scale they pay, he would have to work, at least, the equivalent of a full-time WWE schedule, and probably more than that. Not to mention the toll Mexican rings would take on his already shot knees; they don't have the give US rings do, and are rock hard, so he'd be hurting himself even more for almost as much money as if he were to simply stay in WWE. I think you're understimating how much of a draw Rey would be in Mexico at this point in his career.He could probably get real decent pay out just working limited dates and the odd TV taping for AAA...it might be a wash but I don't think his going to Mexico would be as 'lose-lose' a scenario as you're describing. He wouldn't be just 'any worker.' He'd be an event signing who would be working a series of 'dream matches' that fans have thought about for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantabulous Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 I think you're understimating how much of a draw Rey would be in Mexico at this point in his career.He could probably get real decent pay out just working limited dates and the odd TV taping for AAA...it might be a wash but I don't think his going to Mexico would be as 'lose-lose' a scenario as you're describing. He wouldn't be just 'any worker.' He'd be an event signing who would be working a series of 'dream matches' that fans have thought about for years. I'm fully aware of how big a draw Rey would be in Mexico. Rey is earning probably in the mid seven-figure range right now, maybe a little higher if you include merchandise. For him to make that much money in Mexico would require, if he were to work four nights a week, which he rarely does now, Rey to be paid a little over $7,000 per shot. Rey might get that much for a dozen or so big matches over the course of a year in Mexico, maybe even a little more. But he isn't getting that much money for four nights a week for a year, and even if he wanted that kind of schedule, he'd just stay with WWE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 I'm fully aware of how big a draw Rey would be in Mexico. Rey is earning probably in the mid seven-figure range right now, maybe a little higher if you include merchandise. For him to make that much money in Mexico would require, if he were to work four nights a week, which he rarely does now, Rey to be paid a little over $7,000 per shot. Rey might get that much for a dozen or so big matches over the course of a year in Mexico, maybe even a little more. But he isn't getting that much money for four nights a week for a year, and even if he wanted that kind of schedule, he'd just stay with WWE. Mid 7 figures??? really??? I would think less than that. I guess that's where our POV differs because I think he's high six figures which would make Mexico a viable option Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbergey_2005 Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 I'm fully aware of how big a draw Rey would be in Mexico. Rey is earning probably in the mid seven-figure range right now, maybe a little higher if you include merchandise. For him to make that much money in Mexico would require, if he were to work four nights a week, which he rarely does now, Rey to be paid a little over $7,000 per shot. Rey might get that much for a dozen or so big matches over the course of a year in Mexico, maybe even a little more. But he isn't getting that much money for four nights a week for a year, and even if he wanted that kind of schedule, he'd just stay with WWE. Hes not making that much. Im not even sure if Cena is making that. Here are their salaries as of 2006. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_do_WWE_wrestlers_get_paid Ashley Massaro: $131,000 - Batista: $813,000 (First class flight tickets paid for every week) - Big Show: $1,000,000 (Base salary) - Bob Holly: $217,000 - Booker T: $375,000 - Candice Michelle: $64,000 - Carlito: $319,000 - Chavo Guerrero: $206,000 - Chris Benoit: $488,000 (First class flight tickets paid for every week) - Chris Masters: $253,000 - Christian - $396,000 - Danny Basham: $130,000 - Doug Basham: $126,000 - Eddie Guerrero: $372,000 - Edge: $704,000 - Eugene: $189,000 - Funaki: $124,000 - Gene Snitsky: $292,000 - Gregory Helms: $277,000 - John Cena: $1,743,000 (First class flight tickets, hotel accommodations, and ground transportation paid for every week) - John Layfield: $786,000 (Five star hotel accommodations paid for every week) - Jerry Lawler: $204,000 (First class flight tickets, hotel accommodations, and ground transportation paid for every week) - Jillian Hall: $52,000 - Joey Mercury: $134,000 - Johnny Nitro: $143,000 - Jonathan Coachman: $175,000 - Kane: $ 851,000 (First class flight tickets paid for every week) - Ken Kennedy: $133,000 - Kid Kash: $62,000 - Kurt Angle: $1,023,000 (First class flight tickets paid for every week) - Lance Cade: $118,000 - Lilian Garcia: $90,000 - Lita: $286,000 (Mostly downside paid due to lack of wrestling) - Maria: $41,000 - Mark Henry: $300,000 (Base pay) - Matt Hardy: $322,000 (Missed over $70,000 of pay due to firing) - Matt Striker: $43,000 - Melina: $155,000 - Mickie James: $72,000 - Nunzio: $186,000 - Orlando Jordan: $145,000 - Paul London: $177,000 - Psicosis: $122,000 - Randy Orton: $711,000 (First class flight tickets paid for every week) - Rene Dupree: $289,000 - Rey Mysterio: $414,000 - Ric Flair: $508,000 (First class flight tickets paid for every week) - Rob Conway: $186,000 - Rob Van Dam: $220,000 (Only received downside and royalties due to injury) - Rosie: $105,000 - Shawn Michaels: $1,045,000 (First class flight tickets, hotel accommodations, and ground transportation paid for every week) - Shelton Benjamin: $366,000 - Simon Dean: $132,000 - Stacy Keibler: $178,000 (Only downside paid during absence) - Steven Richards: $94,000 - Torrie Wilson: $260,000 - Trevor Murdoch: $48,000 - Triple H: $2,013,000 (Allowed the personal use of company jet (10) times per year. First class flight tickets, hotel accommodations, and ground transportation paid for every week) - Trish Stratus: $618,000 (Receives 20% of all Trish Stratus merchandise sold) - Tyson Tomko: $127,000 - Undertaker: $1,811,000 (First class flight tickets, hotel accommodations, and ground transportation paid for every week) - Val Venis: $210,000 - Victoria: $275,000 - Viscera: $130,000 - William Regal: $225,000 Here is TNA as of 2008. Abyss-$350,000 AJ Styles-$350,000 Alex Shelley-$150,000 Andrew Thomas-$75,000 Angelina Love-$60,000 Awesome Kong-$100,000 BG James-$250,000 Black Reign-$200,000 Booker T-$450,000 Brother Devon-$300,000 Brother Ray-$300,000 Chris Sabin-$150,000 Christian Cage-$450,000 Christy Hemme-$75,000 Consequences(Austin Creed)-$75,000 Curry Man(Christopher Daniels)-$300,000 David Penzer-$75,000 Don West-$150,000 Earl Hebner-$150,000 Eric Young-$200,000 Frank Trigg-$200,000 Gail Kim-$100,000 Hector Guerrero-$100,000 Hernandez-$200,000 Homicide-$200,000 Jacqueline-$75,000 James Storm-$200,000 Jay Lethal-$150,000 Jeff Jarrett-$750,000(vice-president of TNA) Jeremy Borash-$200,000 Jim Cornette-$250,000 Jimmy Rave-$75,000 Johnny Devine-$100,000 Kaz-$200,000 Karen angle-$100,000 Kevin Nash-$450,000 Kip James-$250,000 Kurt Angle-$650,000 Lance Hoyt-$150,000 Matt Morgan-$200,000 Mike Tenay-$200,000 ODB-$75,000 Petey Williams-$150,000 Raisha Saeed-$50,000 Rhaka Khan-$50,000 Rhino-$350,000 Robert Roode-$250,000 Roxxi Laveaux-$60,000 Rudy Charles-$100,000 Salinas-$50,000 Samoa Joe-$350,000 Scott Steiner-$350,000 Shark Boy-$100,000 Sharmell-$75,000 So Cal Val-$60,000 Sonjay Dutt-$100,000 Sting-$500,000 (Has to make 12 Impact,8 PPV and 8 House show appearances) Tomko-$300,000 Traci Brooks-$100,000 Velvet Sky-$50,000 Willie Urbina-$75,000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 If I were him I'd tour Mexico for big $$$ for a year and then come back for one more run. His in-ring work hasn't suffered, and he's still over. Unless he's dying to hang 'em up, I don't see where there's this NEED to retire. Uh, his ring work HAS suffered... but, hey, that shouldn't shocked anyone. After doing all those high risk moves, I'm surprised he can still WALK, let jump off a turnbuckle and do a cross body. If you think he's fast and athletic now, he was a phantom and aerial artist in his heyday. As for backsage issues, it isn't so much with other guys, but I think, rather, with management. He's at that age where he's only going to an offer where he's he believes he's worth at, and not a penny less. Rey's not the kind of guy that causes trouble with other workers, but he no longer takes low offers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurningHamster Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Y'know...I keep hearing Rey is retiring and he keeps on "not retiring" If I were him I'd tour Mexico for big $$$ for a year and then come back for one more run. His in-ring work hasn't suffered, and he's still over. Unless he's dying to hang 'em up, I don't see where there's this NEED to retire. I would disagree so strongly it may involve violence I don't think I have seen anyone's ringwork suffer MORE than Rey's. The guy is a shadow of a shell of his former self and if I never saw him wrestle again it wouldn't bother me, which, when you consider he was possibly my favourite guy ever at one point speaks volumes as to how far he's fallen. The dude's knees prevent him doing anything, he's become pretty slow, he only does maybe 3 moves over and over again in every match and he is nowhere near as flashy, exciting or creative as he once was. And he is even worse live. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Uh, his ring work HAS suffered... but, hey, that shouldn't shocked anyone. After doing all those high risk moves, I'm surprised he can still WALK, let jump off a turnbuckle and do a cross body. If you think he's fast and athletic now, he was a phantom and aerial artist in his heyday. I would disagree so strongly it may involve violence I don't think I have seen anyone's ringwork suffer MORE than Rey's. Let me clarify..I stated that very poorly: his ringwork hasn't suffered "recently" Meaning, his ringwork now isn't any worse than it was in 2009 or so. Comparing him to his prime in WCW or even his early WWE days is totally laughable. You guys are right on that. But if you were to see what passes for 'ringwork' in AAA, you'd know that him and his 'three moves of doom' would fit right in. Plus..it would be like when someone like Kenta worked ROH dates..the match didn't have to be **** for people to get excited. He'd be an event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Let me clarify..I stated that very poorly: his ringwork hasn't suffered "recently" Meaning, his ringwork now isn't any worse than it was in 2009 or so. Comparing him to his prime in WCW or even his early WWE days is totally laughable. You guys are right on that. But if you were to see what passes for 'ringwork' in AAA, you'd know that him and his 'three moves of doom' would fit right in. Plus..it would be like when someone like Kenta worked ROH dates..the match didn't have to be **** for people to get excited. He'd be an event. That's a fair point... he can do as much aerial moves as he wanted. But he still might not want to go through with it. If he has the money, he can retire if he wants. He earned it (hopefully). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantabulous Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Hes not making that much. Im not even sure if Cena is making that. Here are their salaries as of 2006. Almost five years old, and those figures were not entirely accurate. Also, tell me more of this notion that WWE's biggest draw, main eventing almost all of their PPV's and undoubtedly their biggest merchandise seller, might not be clearing $1.5M per year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Almost five years old, and those figures were not entirely accurate. Also, tell me more of this notion that WWE's biggest draw, main eventing almost all of their PPV's and undoubtedly their biggest merchandise seller, might not be clearing $1.5M per year. Meh. All the reports at the time were that The Rock and SCSA cleared around 2 million a year and that was at the absolute peak of the industry's popularity. The numbers that came out after WCW closed were that it's headline core averaged around that. I certainly believe that Cena clears $1.5 million. But you said you thought Rey Misterio ( who is definitely NOT the most popular or the biggest merch seller) cleared "mid seven figures." That's $5 million. I sincerely doubt that. And i would believe it's A LOT closer to that wiki figure of 400 K than it is to "mid seven figures." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantabulous Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 OK, I mistyped. When I said 'mid-seven figures' I was intending to get across that Rey was making in the range of $1.5m. An error on my part but I stand by the intended point, that Rey is making in the range of $1.5m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juggaloninjalee Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 OK, I mistyped. When I said 'mid-seven figures' I was intending to get across that Rey was making in the range of $1.5m. An error on my part but I stand by the intended point, that Rey is making in the range of $1.5m. Why do you think Rey is making 1.5 million? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbergey_2005 Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Almost five years old, and those figures were not entirely accurate. Also, tell me more of this notion that WWE's biggest draw, main eventing almost all of their PPV's and undoubtedly their biggest merchandise seller, might not be clearing $1.5M per year. Like Peter said I thought you meant 5 million which is what I was doubting Cena made. Using inflation and Reys bump up the card I could see him around 600-700k now but I think anything over 1 million is a stretch. It would be hard for the WWE as a corporation to get approval on huge salary spikes as profits are trending downward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juggaloninjalee Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Like Peter said I thought you meant 5 million which is what I was doubting Cena made. Using inflation and Reys bump up the card I could see him around 600-700k now but I think anything over 1 million is a stretch. It would be hard for the WWE as a corporation to get approval on huge salary spikes as profits are trending downward. Supposedly profits are up actually. From what people have said here due to their involvement in films and such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Supposedly profits are up actually. From what people have said here due to their involvement in films and such. No one has said that recently. Profits aren't up. They're leveling off or dropping. They are profitable, but the recent quarters have been not so hot and specifically PPV numbers are way down. jbergey is right that paying guys in the millions wouldn't make sense right now Like Peter said I thought you meant 5 million which is what I was doubting Cena made. Using inflation and Reys bump up the card I could see him around 600-700k now but I think anything over 1 million is a stretch. It would be hard for the WWE as a corporation to get approval on huge salary spikes as profits are trending downward. I don't want to get into an argument of specifics. My over-all point which started the "what is rey getting paid" line of discussion was that Ray could work in Mexico as more of an attraction and still make roughly what he makes for the WWE. I still think that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbergey_2005 Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Supposedly profits are up actually. From what people have said here due to their involvement in films and such. I guess even with films it surprises me a bit. Their PPV and TV rates have been on a steady downward slope for quite awhile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbergey_2005 Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 I don't want to get into an argument of specifics. My over-all point which started the "what is rey getting paid" line of discussion was that Ray could work in Mexico as more of an attraction and still make roughly what he makes for the WWE. I still think that. I guess Im not sure how big or profitable companies are in Mexico but I could see it. I could see a bigger Mexican company being able to pay what TNA does for Main Event talent. 600k+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 I guess Im not sure how big or profitable companies are in Mexico but I could see it. I could see a bigger Mexican company being able to pay what TNA does for Main Event talent. 600k+ That's what I tend to think. Supposedly a lot of the "American" talent like Konnan and Waltman that went down to Mexico to work for AAA did so because the pay dys were as much or more than TNA (of course, the cynic would also point out that a lot of those guys also burned all their bridges in the US so there you go) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantabulous Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Amazing moment in business history for a number of reasons Earlier this morning, Dorian Roldan of AAA tweeted that it's time for the Mexican wrestling companies to work together and create synergy and invited the competition (CMLL) to work with him, saying the ball is now in their court. Both AAA and CMLL have had significant business drops that are partially due to the economy and safety issues. But they probably have as much if not more to do with the growing popularity of WWE, usurping interest in the local companies, the same pattern that happened in the U.S. in the 80s and in Europe in the 90s. With television ratings falling greatly for both groups, working together doesn't sound so bad to spark interest, although long-term, they are two completely different companies and it's almost impossible to believe it could last for any length of time. Just as noteworthy as AAA making this request, is doing so in a public forum as opposed to the usual behind the scenes secrecy that the business operates in. And if the deal has been cooked up already, revealing it in a public forum before shooting the initial angle. From the F4W/Observer front page, because it's relevant in the wake of the Sin Caras/Rey discussion. Neither company appears to be in a position, and nor have they been for some time, to pay a high six-figure salary to anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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