The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

[Lexa90]

What are you guys top 5 WWE matches of the year? Would be interesting to see what you people think

My list would look like this.

 

1) CM Punk vs John Cena/Money in the Bank

2) Triple H vs The Undertaker/Wrestlemania 27

3) Christian vs Alberto Del Rio/Extreme Rules

4) SD Elimination Chamber/Elimination Chamber

5) Christian vs Randy Orton/Summerslam

[Hive]

There are things.

 

She could have cheated.

She could have been violent. That may make you laugh, but it's true. There are women who will get physically violent with men, and expect to not be hit. Not saying it's right but it's there.

 

I'm not saying she did anything, my point is we don't know the details. We don't know what went on in their home.

 

If she had cheated on Bret, don't you think he'd mention that when mentioning his own adultery? Even so, I don't really see "x cheated on me first so now I can cheat on x all I want" to be a valid course of action. Solve your differences, break up or agree to an open relationship - in which case it can no longer be considered as cheating. But that's just how I feel.

 

Also, have you seen Bret's ex wife? Are you seriously suggesting there's even a remote possibility that she was abusing him physically?

 

Anyway... I like Bret a whole lot more than I like Shawn, for the record. But that doesn't change the fact that he, at least to me, comes off as being egoistical, selfish, arrogant and extremely full of himself. At least back in "the days".

[moon_lit_tears]

Maybe he didn't feel the need to put her through more hell by outing it.

 

Looks don't mean a thing when it comes to abuse. My aunts ex husband was abusive. He weighed about a buck sixty when wet, was pretty much a wuss (I've seen him fight) yet he beat my aunt who was in training to be a body builder, who can fight.

 

Don't get me wrong. I don't know if she did or didn't do anything, I'm just saying that you can't just say oh he did that to her.

 

Anyway I won't say anymore on this because it's not really the place for it.

[Fantabulous]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hive" data-cite="Hive" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> I still don't understand your point at all...</p></div></blockquote><p> You wouldn't be the only one.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hive" data-cite="Hive" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>If she had cheated on Bret, don't you think he'd mention that when mentioning his own adultery? </div></blockquote><p> It's possible he could have kept quiet for the sake of the children but that explanation goes out the window with how open and frank he was about his constant cheating and how he talked of it like it was normal. If he was going to keep quiet about things to protect his children, he wouldn't have been so open and so detailed about his infidelities. In any event, like you said, it wouldn't justify or excuse his cheating. But apparently, others feel different.</p>

[Hive]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="moon_lit_tears" data-cite="moon_lit_tears" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Maybe he didn't feel the need to put her through more hell by outing it.<p> </p><p> Looks don't mean a thing when it comes to abuse. My aunts ex husband was abusive. He weighed about a buck sixty when wet, was pretty much a wuss (I've seen him fight) yet he beat my aunt who was in training to be a body builder, who can fight.</p><p> </p><p> Don't get me wrong. I don't know if she did or didn't do anything, I'm just saying that you can't just say oh he did that to her. </p><p> </p><p> Anyway I won't say anymore on this because it's not really the place for it.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I just really don't feel your need to protect Bret. What we know: Bret cheated on his wife. Constantly. All the effing time. He said so himself. And based from that, I think it's fair to say that he is/was kind of a jerk. But you feel a need to go all "but the poor thing is probably a victim of his evil wife's nasty doings", and that I really really don't get at all. There's no basis for suggesting that his ex wife did anything to deserve it, not even Bret himself has hinted at that. And why would he keep quiet about it if true? As Fantabulous said: then he would probably have kept quiet about his own part in it as well. And it's not like Bret is the kind of guy who decides to keep quiet if he thinks someone did him wrong.</p>

[moon_lit_tears]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="moon_lit_tears" data-cite="moon_lit_tears" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> </p><p> Don't get me wrong. I don't know if she did or didn't do anything, I'm just saying that you can't just say oh he did that to her. </p><p> </p><p> Anyway I won't say anymore on this because it's not really the place for it.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hive" data-cite="Hive" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I just really don't feel your need to protect Bret. What we know: Bret cheated on his wife. Constantly. All the effing time. He said so himself. And based from that, I think it's fair to say that he is/was kind of a jerk. But you feel a need to go all "but the poor thing is probably a victim of his evil wife's nasty doings", and that I really really don't get at all. There's no basis for suggesting that his ex wife did anything to deserve it, not even Bret himself has hinted at that. And why would he keep quiet about it if true? As Fantabulous said: then he would probably have kept quiet about his own part in it as well. And it's not like Bret is the kind of guy who decides to keep quiet if he thinks someone did him wrong.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> No, no. I'm not protecting him. I'm just saying you can't just say oh this is what happened. It's not just black and white.</p><p> </p><p> The only people who know are those two.</p>

[Fantabulous]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="bookerman" data-cite="bookerman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div> Del Rio was hotter 3-4 months ago than he is now with the belt. Some of that is due to Edge getting hurt. However, I'm not sure he's been built up enough as a Main Event talent that everyone sees him as a legit champ.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> One of the other things they rarely do is give the heels credibility in matches. The Monday before Summerslam, six days before becoming World Champion, ADR lost to Punk in a little over four minutes. If the guy is going to be your next champion, and he's getting the belt in six days, at least make him look competitive with the current champ by going a while. Make him look like an undeserving champion, but don't make him look like a weak one. Nobody cares about a belt held by someone like that.</p>

[bookerman]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fantabulous" data-cite="Fantabulous" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>One of the other things they rarely do is give the heels credibility in matches. The Monday before Summerslam, six days before becoming World Champion, ADR lost to Punk in a little over four minutes. If the guy is going to be your next champion, and he's getting the belt in six days, at least make him look competitive with the current champ by going a while. Make him look like an undeserving champion, but don't make him look like a weak one. Nobody cares about a belt held by someone like that.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Totally agree. I don't think they should have had Punk wrestle at all on TV before Summerslam and certainly not face the guy that was likely going to get the belt. They gave away a money making first match on TV for what?</p>

[steesh07]

<p>Have to love the love and hate for Shawn Michaels, despite him being a b*tch during the mid - late 90's. </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>

Anyway, who of the Brits should earn the 'onour of being inducted to the WWE Hall of Fame?</p><p> </p><p>

Obviously I'd say:</p><p>

Regal</p><p>

Billington</p><p>

Smith</p><p>

Saint </p><p>

Robinson</p><p>

Haystacks</p><p> </p><p>

Any other names?</p>

[bigtplaystew]

Regal for sure. He's one of my all time favorite wrestlers. The dude can do everything. He always did well with whatever they threw at him. I'm probably one of the few who really dug what he did with his screen time in WWECW.

[BHK1978]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="moon_lit_tears" data-cite="moon_lit_tears" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Dude, this is about WRESTLING. Stop talking about the Worl Wildlife Fund, or whatever it's called. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I refuse to call it by its current name. If you like to avoid confusion for you I shall call it WWWF.<img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="moon_lit_tears" data-cite="moon_lit_tears" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I can't agree with this.<p> </p><p> What basis do you have to call them jerks?</p><p> </p><p> I met Bret when I was younger. Awesome guy.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Could just be the way he was with the public. I met Mickey Mantle when I was a kid and he was a dick to me. However, everytime someone talks about him they say he was a great guy. Maybe I met the Mick on an off day.</p>

[Tha Black Phenom]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="VTial" data-cite="VTial" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Well if we're just throwing out theories, I think Nash not only seemed slower more so than usual but he lacked both the energy and his decent mic talk for the first time seem mumbled. It didn't hurt that the whole thing was confusing.<p> </p><p> Even I kind of lost it with the whole comeback of Punk stating why Nash has problems with Waffle houses. I thought the feud seemed straight forward at first but Nash out there on the ring alone with body guards protecting him, you have to admit that's not the usual way they build up feuds. </p><p> </p><p> For one, Nash is a big <strong>old</strong> man. Punk is a little guy <strong>at the top of his game</strong>. Nash had just power bombed Punk and now he's rambling about cellphone texts. Punk came out and now he has no problem with the championship belt. Kind of hard to pop over that. The feud killed the original feud even though this is supposed to be a continuation of it.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Fixed. If I were Nash I would also be talking about cellphone texts and having a block of guards around me. All Nash could've done was cheap shot him.</p><p> </p><p> I think it's less that Punk has no problem with the belt and more that some old geezer who he thought his career was over comes and costs him the title, and with the whole authority deal.. plus, has to be mentioned Punk cashed in his briefcase in a similar situation. But once he's done with Nash i'm sure he'll go right back for the belt(or take that break he wanted).</p>

[Teh_Showtime]

Brodus Clay needs to be Nash's muscle. I feel he can be the next monster heel for 5-10 years. His agility is crazy good for his size.

[djthefunkchris]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Tha Black Phenom" data-cite="Tha Black Phenom" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Fixed. If I were Nash I would also be talking about cellphone texts and having a block of guards around me. All Nash could've done was cheap shot him.<p> </p><p> I think it's less that Punk has no problem with the belt and more that some old geezer who he thought his career was over comes and costs him the title, and with the whole authority deal.. plus, has to be mentioned Punk cashed in his briefcase in a similar situation. But once he's done with Nash i'm sure he'll go right back for the belt(or take that break he wanted).</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The fixed part is what we see, not what the general public see's. Even me knowing the condition of Nash, and such... I was like "You got to be kidding me." when I seen all that security. He don't look as old as he is, as I said early he looked fantastic. Punk don't look like he's that much younger (looks, as in Nash don't look his age, We all know he is that much younger).</p><p> </p><p> Perception is alot more then people think... A guy that's almost a complete foot taller then another, doesn't look like he needs security guards, outside of what Punk said "I see HHH deemed you untouchable, figures". For the majority of people, that's the only thing that probably made sense, and gratz to Punk for making sure they understood that.</p>

[Arrows]

<p><a href="http://usera.imagecave.com/CrashMcCloud/HBG%20Censored.png.jpg" rel="external nofollow">One of these things is not like the other...</a></p><p> </p><p>

WWE: Editing Signs On DVD Releases:rolleyes:</p><p> </p><p>

Note: NOT captured on my PC.</p>

[djthefunkchris]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Arrows" data-cite="Arrows" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><a href="http://usera.imagecave.com/CrashMcCloud/HBG%20Censored.png.jpg" rel="external nofollow">One of these things is not like the other...</a><p> </p><p> WWE: Editing Signs On DVD Releases:rolleyes:</p><p> </p><p> Note: NOT captured on my PC.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The one with the circle around it is obviously the fake, but I have no idea what the original sign says there?</p>

[Arrows]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="djthefunkchris" data-cite="djthefunkchris" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The one with the circle around it is obviously the fake, but I have no idea what the original sign says there?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The one with the circle is what was captured during the live MITB PPV.</p><p> </p><p> It's an advertisement for a gaming community.</p><p> </p><p> The other is the exact same moment, on the DVD release. The sign has been edited so that there's no HB visible, and is instead what seems like a black squigle circle box thingy.</p>

[djthefunkchris]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Arrows" data-cite="Arrows" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The one with the circle is what was captured during the live MITB PPV.<p> </p><p> It's an advertisement for a gaming community.</p><p> </p><p> The other is the exact same moment, on the DVD release. The sign has been edited so that there's no HB visible, and is instead what seems like a black squigle circle box thingy.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Someone's fooling you... Ok, look at the one with the circle around it. It is behind the guys head, yet it's covering it as if it's in front of it (on the top forehead).</p><p> </p><p> The other sign isn't covering it at all... In other words, they have it confused.</p>

[VTial]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Tha Black Phenom" data-cite="Tha Black Phenom" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Fixed. If I were Nash I would also be talking about cellphone texts and having a block of guards around me. All Nash could've done was cheap shot him.<p> </p><p> I think it's less that Punk has no problem with the belt and more that some old geezer who he thought his career was over comes and costs him the title, and with the whole authority deal.. plus, has to be mentioned Punk cashed in his briefcase in a similar situation. But once he's done with Nash i'm sure he'll go right back for the belt(or take that break he wanted).</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Besides what dj said, Punk isn't really at the top of his game. Not more so than the previous years.</p><p> </p><p> He's more over sure. More entertaining definitely. </p><p> </p><p> Let's not forget however that Punk when he first came to the WWE was winning championships left and right and this Punk is coming off a period of irrelevance and his wins over Cena are hardly dominating and Cena wasn't built up like Batista and Punk as a character definitely hasn't shown anything different from the time he was losing to Rey Mysterio if you took the promos away.</p><p> </p><p> Punk had to say what he had to say to make the feud continue as it is but if you analyzed the entire feud, it doesn't make sense because the very reason Punk supposedly came back was to legitimize the WWE belt. </p><p> </p><p> They pretty much kept repeating that over and over in their promos. This isn't about HHH, this isn't about politics - this is about John Cena (fake champion Cena who constantly gets hand gifted championships which dilute the entertainment value of the top brand) versus the real pro wrestler who deserves it CM Punk.</p><p> </p><p> To add weakness to the entire feud, Nash had just shown that he could Jackknife Powerbomb Punk. Old man or not, that is vintage Nash (Diesel) and vintage Nash had always kicked more ass than talk trash.</p><p> </p><p> Btw to anyone who acts like they don't get what I'm referring to regarding Bret, I suggest looking at the mirror and asking yourself whether you would go so far as refer to a non-wrestling related trivia to make any other wrestler look bad. Just read up on what you're actually writing. Some of you guys are going so far as to hypothesize on Bret's cheating just to make the guy seem like a jerk <em>as a wrestler</em>. This isn't the only place this has happened. My point is as clear as day to anyone who isn't biased towards one side or another. Bret is one of the few (if not only) wrestler where he is always put on an impossible pedestal by the IWC just to bring him down and it's often for unrelated to wrestling trivia or some major guesswork on what little flaw that's ever been dugged up with regards to him as a human.</p>

[djthefunkchris]

<p>Almost everything ever brought up about Randy Orton has been non-wrestling related... </p><p> </p><p>

There are a huge amount of things that are brought up about wrestler's that are NOT wrestling related, to include breaking certain laws. Everyone is not just picking on Bret, or HBK for that matter. </p><p> </p><p>

I look at it like this... I have plenty of stuff I did in my past that I'm not proud of. The main thing is I learned from them, and I don't react the same as I once would have. It matter's to me what that person is TODAY moreso then anything they done in their past. Yes, that includes just about anything outside of a Major crime (like Rape, child molestation, etc.).</p><p> </p><p>

People will always bring up stuff like that though, and they always will. SO there is no use in getting upset about it at all. Bret was the best there ever was, the best there is, and the best there ever will be, and The Miz is AWESOME!! Depending on who you ask, they will believe one or the other or something entirely different. Everyone's POV is different, based on their own morales, what they believe is a bigger evil, etc.</p>

[Teh_Showtime]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="VTial" data-cite="VTial" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div> Punk as a character definitely hasn't shown anything different from the time he was losing to Rey Mysterio if you took the promos away.<p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> How else are you supposed to show character growth? The guy is not the same character he was last year. His gimmick for the last few years has been being a manipulative leader pretty much. His promo style doesn't change, but his tone and content sure has.</p>

[VTial]

<p>I understand that but the thing with Bret here is that people are not just bringing up facts and saying something bad about it. </p><p> </p><p>

The community more or less resorts to digging mud on the guy.</p><p> </p><p>

When someone brings up Orton, the topic is Orton. Wrestling related/non-wrestling related. It rarely strays further from that as with any wrestler.</p><p> </p><p>

With Bret, it always continues on to the point that even in a topic not entirely about Bret...it becomes not only about Bret but what little dirt that can then be manipulated to make Bret sound so bad.</p><p> </p><p>

MMA forums/topics have a similar level of hatred in a similarly beloved fighter in Randy Couture.</p><p> </p><p>

It's one thing to have hardcore haters and nuthuggers rooting for their fans and hating on what they hate. That's the natural way with forums that provide for anonymity. However only Couture can have hardcore fans act like noobs and say they don't understand why Couture is considered a legend and bring up such false facts as getting instant title shots and being boring throughout his entire career.</p><p> </p><p>

The difference here with Bret and Couture is that Couture can be considered a "nice" fighter who largely has the same impact as any other top fighter.</p><p> </p><p>

Pro-wrestling however has always been littered with main eventers who not only won't put a guy over but sometimes flat out bury them. </p><p> </p><p>

Bret is not just some great wrestler that reached the main event. I know of no other account where any other WWE main eventer allowed a rising star to get one over him that happened when said main eventer had not had a long title reign to begin with.</p><p> </p><p>

If the topic about Bret's cheating was recent, then fine. If it somehow came up and people considered him to be a jerk for that. Fine. </p><p> </p><p>

What you have here though, as it often happens with Bret, is that Bret's cheating is not only put into a context of what the facts/anecdotes say but you literally have guys not only guessing but claiming innocence over their actions and even going so far as trying to flame bait by claiming they don't understand where I'm coming from.</p><p> </p><p>

That just warrants a reply but like I said already, I don't want to engage in this argument. The mods don't like it. I find it pointless. I just don't like guys going all innocent and saying something like <em>"You wouldn't be the only one."</em> as if that helps the conversation at all and wouldn't start a whole new argument.</p>

[VTial]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>How else are you supposed to show character growth? The guy is not the same character he was last year. His gimmick for the last few years has been being a manipulative leader pretty much. His promo style doesn't change, but his tone and content sure has.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You just described one way of showing character growth. </p><p> </p><p> Growth is not the issue. How the growth was handled is the whole point. </p><p> </p><p> That growth combined with how long the previous storyline/gimmick change/feud transition adds up to the total growth perception of the character's current credibility and the facts are Punk has barely gotten over as a main eventer and then he gets nailed by Nash and now Nash the big man is supposed to be old while Punk is supposed to be over and unbeatable? They barely sold him as an unbeatable fighting machine that needs to be completely blindsided, why should Nash fear Punk especially when Nash has played the scheming weakling before and not relied on generic guards.</p><p> </p><p> Add that and the dialogues and Nash's mumbling/seemingly lack of energy compared to when he was rushing to powerbomb Punk and that really doesn't put either of these guys over. Punk was just hot so it didn't hurt his pops much but Nash didn't really say/do anything for him to get any loud pops at any point in his promo.</p>

[Tha Black Phenom]

Let's not forget however that Punk when he first came to the WWE was winning championships left and right and this Punk is coming off a period of irrelevance and his wins over Cena are hardly dominating and Cena wasn't built up like Batista and Punk as a character definitely hasn't shown anything different from the time he was losing to Rey Mysterio if you took the promos away..

 

It's a bit less black and white than "winning championships left and right". If anyone really remembers how Punk's ride went while he was on top, different views might crop up.

 

Cena was built up.. like Cena. You weigh in the aspects between their overness, this is as gratifying as it gets for him[Punk]. There is no fluke factor anywhere around him right now. Back then.. save for him winning midcard titles and the MITB twice, the rest was fairly drab and you figured the casual fans would yell "fluke, fluke" around him.

 

About the title, I agree, but again it's all about how it goes over time. If you look back months from today, and that after the Nash spat he went gunning again for the belt, things would make more sense. Even though a character can be deadly focused towards the title, it wouldn't be outlandish to have him focus on someone else who cost him, if certain aspects are weighing on his mind. You look at Punk's character, you see all he does - the pipebombs, the constant references, you see what he's about, and it'd be understandable to have someone like Nash strike home a bit more than anyone else. If someone like Miz or Ziggler cost him the title, things would be different.

 

As for the jacknife.. maybe again thats where perception differs when you see a big man capitalize on a guy who went through a 20-minute match, but hey.

[Wrestling Century]

I personally have a hard time imagining anything his wife could have done to make her deserve the treatment he gave her.

 

What did he do to her? I never heard about anything like that.