Rone Rivendale Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 The Miz is a decent wrestler with great mics skills and absolutely ran with the ball when he was given it a few years ago. He is just another case of too many people in the top half of the roster who deserve to be on top but there just isn't enough room/time, even with 3 hours of Raw and 2 of Smackdown, and all the B shows. People are gonna groan for me bringing this up, but this is why the Brand split was GOOD for business. More people got to shine when the shows were actually seperate. Now we got HHH, Orton, Bryan, Wyatt Family, etc on every show regardless of their 'brand'. It makes it impossible to have an entertaining mid-card. Matches like Slater/Santino are too few and far between. I WANT more mid-card matches/fueds. I want the divas to get their deserved time. I want local jobbers to show up and get their 3 minutes of fame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tha Black Phenom Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 The brand split has its pros and its cons. The lack of a brand split has its pros and its cons too. People are quick to forget how back then, many PPV cards were rendered lackluster because of the disparity of midcarders filling up the card and top stars were more pressured into working overtime or with nagging injuries to make up for PPV and brand show awareness. More people got to shine, but that ain't always a good thing either. I mean which of the divas are deserving of ring time? Which local jobbers are deserving of getting their 3 minutes of fame? It's easy to name them all now because it is felt they're not showcased as much but that's hindsight talking to you when you're bored of seeing the main stars on screen, to which you can do away with that anyway. Back then, more stars were pushed quicker too which resulted from successful to disastrous results(Lashley). But yeah, they have a remedy for that, if you feel the top stars are too much on screen. It's called NXT. It's called Main Event. They have something for everyone at this point, and the way it is now, those who are deserving of being pushed up the card simply to have work their ass off and stand out. Not just given a hand-out because top star #2 is sidelined with a half-year injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 The Miz is a decent wrestler with great mics skills and absolutely ran with the ball when he was given it a few years ago. Eh He's not as bad as a lot of people think but his mic skills tend to fluctuate a lot, especially recently. As a face his promos have been borderline disastrous but as a heel he cut some good promos and was generally solid in that department. Maybe its just because he naturally comes across as a douche but pretty much all of his babyface promos are either obnoxious or cringeworthy. He has good delivery but the content is terrible and he's often just saying a bunch of nothing just delivered well (like Cena often does) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owen Rey Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rone Rivendale" data-cite="Rone Rivendale" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The Miz is a decent wrestler with great mics skills and absolutely ran with the ball when he was given it a few years ago. <p> </p><p> He is just another case of too many people in the top half of the roster who deserve to be on top but there just isn't enough room/time, even with 3 hours of Raw and 2 of Smackdown, and all the B shows.</p><p> </p><p> People are gonna groan for me bringing this up, but this is why the Brand split was GOOD for business. More people got to shine when the shows were actually seperate. Now we got HHH, Orton, Bryan, Wyatt Family, etc on every show regardless of their 'brand'. It makes it impossible to have an entertaining mid-card. Matches like Slater/Santino are too few and far between. I WANT more mid-card matches/fueds. I want the divas to get their deserved time. I want local jobbers to show up and get their 3 minutes of fame.</p></div></blockquote><p> He is not a 'decent' wrestler by any means in my opinion... He has difficulties running the ropes at times. He has good mic skills, but as a face he resorts to corny lines a lot and quite frankly doesn't deserve the push that he got a few years ago. I think he's a great upper midcard enhancement talent, but nothing more.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Cody Rhodes signs with Pro Wrestling Syndicate? They're really going the extra mile for this angle. http://www.prowrestling.net/artman/publish/WWE/article10033587.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullMETAL Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 <p>I think the thing with Miz being dressed down by HHH (as it were) is that, a few years ago Miz WAS the WWE Champion, he WAS given the ball and told to run with it...but except for maybe ONE promo calling out the italicized fact after this comma, <em>he was completely overshadowed by Cena and The Rock the entire time</em>, despite the facts that 1) The Rock wasn't even back in the ring yet, and 2) Cena was focused more on The Rock (who, again, wasn't even back in the ring yet at the time) than on chasing the title, despite the fact that Cena and Miz still had their title match at WM.</p><p> </p><p> HHH making Miz a target for 'daring to stand up in Bryan's defense' (which, btw, is a GREAT continuity nod and nod of respect on Miz's part, considering Bryan's debut was as <em>Miz's</em> rookie) is actually the right kind of icing on the cake of bringing Miz back into the spotlight to prove HE can be an A player too.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 <p><a href="http://www.prowrestling.net/artman/publish/WWE/article10033587.shtml" rel="external nofollow"><strong>Indy group PWS claims Cody Rhodes has signed with them</strong></a></p><p> </p><p> Nice commitment from WWE to make the storyline feel more real.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="milamber" data-cite="milamber" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><a href="http://www.prowrestling.net/artman/publish/WWE/article10033587.shtml" rel="external nofollow"><strong>Indy group PWS claims Cody Rhodes has signed with them</strong></a><p> </p><p> Nice commitment from WWE to make the storyline feel more real.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Beat you to it <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png"></p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Cody Rhodes signs with Pro Wrestling Syndicate? They're really going the extra mile for this angle. <p> </p><p> <a href="http://www.prowrestling.net/artman/publish/WWE/article10033587.shtml" rel="external nofollow">http://www.prowrestling.net/artman/publish/WWE/article10033587.shtml</a></p></div></blockquote> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Raw Review: Punk vs Big E - These are the type of matches Big E needs to jumpstart his career. Good warm-up for Punk heading into BG. Fandango vs Kofi - Decent match. Bray Wyatt story time live in the arena but no beatdown? 3MB vs Los Matadores - Interesting entrance. "Primo" chants didn't take long. Nice finisher. Rhodes/McMahons/Shield - I love this part of the main storyline. The match at BG should be good. Truth vs Axel - Truth was solid in this match but I had to fast-forward his entrance. The IC Title should be defended more often. Fox vs Brie - Surprisingly decent match. Brie's involvement with Bryan and Orton has made her more watchable. Ryder vs Del Rio - Decent squash match. Heyman/Ryback - Ryback Mountain. The big bad beautiful Ryback is improving on the mic. Punk the Kendo Master! Will Axel will turn face now he's the #2 Heyman Guy and takes all the beatings? Shield vs Ziggler & Usos - Good match. Ziggler's Pre-Show status had better be temporary. Good to see the Usos in the limelight. Cesaro vs Santino - I don't mind Cesaro losing these matches when they're so damn funny. Love the Giant Swing! Bryan & Orton - Keep Jerry the hell away from this segment! Great finish to the show. Verdict: Above average pre-PPV show. Nothing really bad and there were a few quality segments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt88/milamber/battleground_zps2fb97632.png~originalhttp://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt88/milamber/599775_611395705566358_84579810_n_zps727ffe14.jpg~original Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 Is anyone going to address the fact that Paul Heyman drew a pretty damn good promo out of Ryback? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 <p>Just watched the Main Event highlights and it was one of the strongest shows since it began. 4 strong midcard matches, none of them squashes, and no silly results.</p><p> </p><p> Sandow def. Santino</p><p> Wyatts def. PTP</p><p> Axel def. Ryder</p><p> Real Americans def. Tons of Funk (Cesaro with a Giant Swing on Brodus and a Gotch Neutralizer on Tensai)</p><p> </p><p> <span>http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/002/531/262/20131002_ME_ToF_Americans_LARGE_R_crop_north.jpg?w=340&h=234&q=75</span></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthefunkchris Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 Is anyone going to address the fact that Paul Heyman drew a pretty damn good promo out of Ryback? Ryback has always been able to give a good promo. I don't know why he hasn't done so til' now, but the guy has never been horrible on the mic in my opinion.... My biggest concern with him was in the ring, and that was primarily safety because of some comments made here. I've always known he could pull off a decent promo. I think I got tired of him though... Too little too late kind of thing. You know me, I'm the "cup half full" guy around here, so it's not like I haven't given him more time then most to "do something". Every interview I've seen of him, he has impressed me in some way (outside of the actual shows). The promo you speak of, is actually the second promo he did, saying basically the same thing. I was more impressed with how he reacted to Heyman the first time around, which in my opinion considering how it went down, couldn't have been better. I actually was behind him more when he first come out, then I am now though. He had better start doing more mic work, on a regular basis, because he's never going to be doing anything in the ring that's going to get him "over". At least I don't see it happening, without a face turn (which would be silly to do anytime soon). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 He instantly got leagues better when he stopped that weird always tired cadence he used when talking as a face (even if he never had a match that night) He's a serviceable promo for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Ryback IS good. He's getting better and improving too which is nice to see. Wrestling's been so good. I know I'm a staunch Cena defender but man how good and fresh things have been without him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWrestlingMan Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="bigtplaystew" data-cite="bigtplaystew" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Ryback IS good. He's getting better and improving too which is nice to see. Wrestling's been so good. I know I'm a staunch Cena defender but man how good and fresh things have been without him!</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You think so? I'm neither a Cena fan or hater but it's been boring with this old power struggle that has been used to death storyline.</p><p> </p><p> TNA has been my number 1 for awhile they have better wrestling and Storylines atm but I watch both. I do like Ryback though he's always entertained me.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhenomenalPat Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Ethan did a skit on tonight's TNA, I'm pretty sure it was Michael Hutter, formerly WWE NXT's Derrick Bateman. I didn't mind him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 <p>Yes. I like seeing DB getting the cheers and the Rhodes family and all that stuff. Yes, the "power struggle" has been done to death but so have everything if you boil it down and reduce it.</p><p> </p><p> It's not like they are following a McMahon vs Austin script here they're doing different things with it. I dunno. I'm having a lot of fun watchign wrestling lately it's been awesome. </p><p> </p><p> TNA too. Still very good!</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthefunkchris Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Yes. I like seeing DB getting the cheers and the Rhodes family and all that stuff. Yes, the "power struggle" has been done to death but so have everything if you boil it down and reduce it. It's not like they are following a McMahon vs Austin script here they're doing different things with it. I dunno. I'm having a lot of fun watchign wrestling lately it's been awesome. TNA too. Still very good! I'm waiting for the big failure though... When Vince finally steps in and says "Wait a minute.... I think I was wrah, wrah, wrong about Daniel Bryan. You two need to stop." Then HHH and Steph going "What took you so long to figure it out? Finally got some sense into your head old man?" Then letting DB know it was all just to get Vince to see he was wrong about DB. A much better way would be Vince saying the same thing and HHH and Steph telling him "Too bad, you're just getting soft in your old age, we are in charge now!" Then have Vince use limited "connections", perhaps some old vet's, to help Daniel Bryan out without HHH and Steph knowing he did it or something like that. That to me would be interesting TV. Having them all agree, can't happen for very long. EDIT: On the TNA thing... I can't help but to root for them, for all kinds of reasons and everyone has heard every one of these reasons a hundred fold. I'll just say that I totally disagree that they are now or ever was since I been keeping tabs on them, as interesting as WWE story line wise. It always looks like a cluster "you-know-what" at some point in every single show. The only match's that are good to me are the one's the vet's are in, and mainly because there is good psychology to some of their match's. The other's that stick out were fired or let go by WWE, and aren't in any way as interesting there (outside of Brook), as they were in WWE. These are my opinions, and I don't mean to upset anyone by my opinions. I root for TNA, I am optimistic, even more so than the TNA fans are for the most part, about their future (especially now). I want them to succeed just as badly as anyone else, trust me. I just can't objectively say I've seen them do anything even halfway close to what WWE has done... in the ring, storyline wise, promo wise, cliffhanger wise, or historical wise. Are they interesting every now and then, yes. Have they had incredible match's, definitely! I'm not sayin' they haven't. I'm just saying on a regular day to day basis, there is no way I could say they are better in any form, then WWE. I want them to be, and it's what frustrates me about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 <p><strong>NXT Review:</strong></p><p> </p><p> <strong>Summer & Fandango vs Emma & Santino</strong> - Crowd pleasing comedy match. I love PG comedy matches when they are this fun. Renee Young on the announce team made it even better.</p><p> <strong>Ohno vs Harper</strong> - Harper denied Ohno his revenge in a short hard-hitting match.</p><p> <strong>Amore & Cassidy</strong> - Backstage promo similar to their presentation video that was leaked recently.</p><p> <strong>The Ascension vs Neville & Graves (Tag Titles)</strong> - Good match. It was the right time for the tag titles to change hands.</p><p> <strong>Bo Dallas Invitational</strong> - "Let's go This Guy!" chants for the excitable jobber. Nameless jobber almost got the shock pin. Bo showed a lot of agression when he wasn't showboating to the crowd and got the easy pin. Kruger came out next, only to be intercepted by Cesaro to "Triple Threat" chants. The 2 fought, Cesaro dumped Kruger out the ring and Bo bundled Cesaro out the ring. Sami Zayn (disguised as Ricardo Rodriguez's El Local character) ran to the ring, Yakuza Kicked Dallas and got the pin, finally earning his title shot. After revealing himself, Dallas clutched his NXT Title to his chest, looking scared.</p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Verdict:</span></strong> Great show. All 4 matches were worth watching. The comedy tag match and the Bo Dallas Invitational were really entertaining.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazorbeak Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 <p>The tag title match was not very good, but that's not surprising, considering everyone involved's talent level. I hope Corey Graves "stays down" in NXT forever. On the other hand, heel Bo is looking great. I guess it's just genetics that all of the Rotundas are terrible babyfaces but great heels. </p><p> </p><p> Also great to see Chris Hero in action after his several month exile. I don't see where he's horribly out of shape, although it was a short match, so it was hard to see if he had any cardio. This guy needs to be on the main roster though. He's charismatic, athletic, and big enough to be seen as a real contender. WWE also desperately needs some midcard babyfaces not named R-Truth or Kofi Kingston. Or I guess they could remember that Yoshi Tatsu and a few other guys are still around and doing literally nothing.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 I agree about Graves. I don't mind him but he wouldn't stand out on the main roster. The Ascension have potential if the main roster is ever short on tag teams. Adrian Neville and Ohno are the pick of the bunch, talent-wise. Dallas is great at the moment but his gimmick would probably get him X-Pac heat anywhere but NXT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 Smackdown Review: Big Show - Passionate promo from the angry giant but the content was recycled. Trips came out and said he had assumed Show's mortgage debt and Show now owes him. Fandango vs RVD - Decent match won by RVD after Summer interfered. Fandango attacked RVD but RVD fought back and hit the Trash Can Van Terminator. Ryback vs Truth - OK match but Ryback needs a more impatcful finisher. "I... hate... bullies!" Del Rio vs Ziggler - Match of the night. Foreshadowing with Sandow on commentary? 3MB vs Los Matadores - Decent match. Los Matadores have some good team moves. Big E vs Kofi - Incredibly short match won by Kofi. The Wyatt's arrived to menace Kofi, but again no beatdown. They will face off at BG, though. Orton & The Shield vs Big Show - Big Show took his anger out on everyone until the heels got their acts together. Ended with a DQ and Show being outnumbered. Bryan and the Usos rushed out to save him. Nothing we haven't seen before. Verdict: Average show but it worked well as a set-up for Battleground. ADR vs Ziggler was the highlight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 The tag title match was not very good, but that's not surprising, considering everyone involved's talent level. I hope Corey Graves "stays down" in NXT forever. On the other hand, heel Bo is looking great. I guess it's just genetics that all of the Rotundas are terrible babyfaces but great heels. Also great to see Chris Hero in action after his several month exile. I don't see where he's horribly out of shape, although it was a short match, so it was hard to see if he had any cardio. This guy needs to be on the main roster though. He's charismatic, athletic, and big enough to be seen as a real contender. WWE also desperately needs some midcard babyfaces not named R-Truth or Kofi Kingston. Or I guess they could remember that Yoshi Tatsu and a few other guys are still around and doing literally nothing. He's never been "out of shape" in terms of cardio. Even before he was gone on NXT for a few months he was consistently wrestling long matches on TV. I think that stems from him letting himself go body wise. Here is a pic from an NXT house show that shows him with different attire where he goes back to wearing a tanktop, and as a long time fan of his he stated that he used to wear tanktops when wrestling because he felt bad about his physique. http://i.imgur.com/R3Kjnr1.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickymex Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 Yeah Hero/Ohno has always been physically in shape in terms of athleticism and stamina but in the abs and definition department he isn't Corey Graves or Adrian Neville. He's like a flabbier CM Punk. It's remarkable how much he has change considering he looked like this http://i1.bebo.com/042/5/large/2008/02/22/19/4779906270a6967319820l.jpghttp://i1.bebo.com/045/6/large/2008/02/22/19/4779906270a6967316464l.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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