The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

[Russelrules44]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="JackKnifed72" data-cite="JackKnifed72" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>My TLC predicition...<p> </p><p> CM Punk wins vs The Shield...Reigns accidentially takes out Ambrose with clothesline meant for Punk. Rollins tags in and eats a GTS as Reigns and Ambrose argue at ringside...</p><p> </p><p> Post match, Ambrose and Rollins jump CM Punk, only to have Reigns shove them away, saving Punk from the beatdown before storming off...</p><p> </p><p> Later, backstage, Triple H & Stephanie confront Reigns...Triple H: "Get your act together Reigns, or else...The Authority made you...we can break you!"...</p><p> </p><p> Main event time...after a back and forth match, Cena lays out Orton with an AA and is about to climb the ladder when HHH makes his way to the ring. Hunter takes out Cena with a Pedigree and, with Cena and Orton layed out, he stares up at the belts...he sets up the ladder...then Reigns charges the ring...SPEAR on HHH...Orton struggles to his feet...SPEAR for Orton...F*** it...SPEAR for Cena too! (BAH GAWD THA CARNAGE!) Reigns climbs the ladder and pulls down both belts to become WWE World Heavyweight Unified Champion as TLC goes off the air...</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Probably wouln't happen...but ya never know</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> No no no no, Now here's what will happen.</p><p> </p><p> CM Punk defeats The Shield...Reigns is about to spear CM Punk, But then in turn spears Seth Rollins, Dean Ambrose and Reigns argue, they rumble, and voila, Reigns goes face.</p><p> </p><p> We go backstage where HHH confronts Reigns....."You saw what happened....DO YOU SEE, WHAT YOU'VE DONE?!" "I did what I did, And THAT was best for business."</p><p> </p><p> Ok, skip over to the main event, Cena and Orton are having a back and forth match, Orton has layed Cena out with the RKO, but then, Here comes the Game, Triple H, and he comes to pedigree Orton, But then, Here comes Roman Reigns, and.......HE SPEARS THE GAME, HE SPEARS TRIPLE H, Roman helps Randy up to his feet, but then, here come the corporate stooges, Kane and Stephanie McMahon, while Stephanie screams at Roman Reigns, Kane looks ready to destroy him, But then, Cena tells them. "I'll handle things around here." and........AA'S ROMAN REIGNS?!, He goes up the ladder and claims the belts, thus not only winning the WWE Undisputed Title, but finally turning his back on the WWE fans, but WAIT, THE PPV'S NOT OVER JUST YET, Cena, Triple H and Kane and beating down on Roman Reigns, then, OH MY GOD, RKO, RKO, RKO! HE'S KILLING EVERYBODY, ORTON HAS SAVED ROMAN REIGNS ASS, HE SERVED THEM RIGHT, SERVED THEM RI-, WAIT A MINUTE, OH MY GOD, REIGNS JUST F**KING SPEARED ORTON RIGHT THROUGH THAT TABLE, Then, THE SHIELD ARE COMING OUT?!, Dean Ambrose and Seth Rollins, It appears that their breakup was just a joke, The Shield become vigilante babyfaces, Triple H finally stops burying people, John Cena is a tweener, Randy Orton's a face, IT'S PANDAMONIUM!</p><p> </p><p> *Pants*</p><p> </p><p> I bet you five bucks some can make a damn diary out of THAT!</p><p> </p><p> In 50 years, THAT will NEVER-EVER happen!</p>

[Big Roguey]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Russelrules44" data-cite="Russelrules44" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>No no no no, Now here's what will happen.<p> </p><p> CM Punk defeats The Shield...Reigns is about to spear CM Punk, But then in turn spears Seth Rollins, Dean Ambrose and Reigns argue, they rumble, and voila, Reigns goes face.</p><p> </p><p> We go backstage where HHH confronts Reigns....."You saw what happened....DO YOU SEE, WHAT YOU'VE DONE?!" "I did what I did, And THAT was best for business."</p><p> </p><p> Ok, skip over to the main event, Cena and Orton are having a back and forth match, Orton has layed Cena out with the RKO, but then, Here comes the Game, Triple H, and he comes to pedigree Orton, But then, Here comes Roman Reigns, and.......HE SPEARS THE GAME, HE SPEARS TRIPLE H, Roman helps Randy up to his feet, but then, here come the corporate stooges, Kane and Stephanie McMahon, while Stephanie screams at Roman Reigns, Kane looks ready to destroy him, But then, Cena tells them. "I'll handle things around here." and........AA'S ROMAN REIGNS?!, He goes up the ladder and claims the belts, thus not only winning the WWE Undisputed Title, but finally turning his back on the WWE fans, but WAIT, THE PPV'S NOT OVER JUST YET, Cena, Triple H and Kane and beating down on Roman Reigns, then, OH MY GOD, RKO, RKO, RKO! HE'S KILLING EVERYBODY, ORTON HAS SAVED ROMAN REIGNS ASS, HE SERVED THEM RIGHT, SERVED THEM RI-, WAIT A MINUTE, OH MY GOD, REIGNS JUST F**KING SPEARED ORTON RIGHT THROUGH THAT TABLE, Then, THE SHIELD ARE COMING OUT?!, Dean Ambrose and Seth Rollins, It appears that their breakup was just a joke, The Shield become vigilante babyfaces, Triple H finally stops burying people, John Cena is a tweener, Randy Orton's a face, IT'S PANDAMONIUM!</p><p> </p><p> *Pants*</p><p> </p><p> I bet you five bucks some can make a damn diary out of THAT!</p><p> </p><p> <strong>In 50 years, THAT will NEVER-EVER happen!</strong></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Unless Russo magically got the book in the past week, I think we're safe. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png"></p>

[Russelrules44]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="MichiganHero" data-cite="MichiganHero" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Unless Russo magically got the book in the past week, I think we're safe. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Or ARE we?</p>

[Russelrules44]

<p>I just finished watching the WWE TLC kickoff.</p><p> </p><p>

....It's official....Dolph Ziggler is finished, HHH, you can go straight to hell........cause you've just ended a great career.....</p><p> </p><p>

So does this mean Ziggler will deliver a shoot promo on Monday Night Raw tomorrow?....HE'D HAD BETTER!</p>

[Astil]

<p>So I'll be doing a reaction show on my YouTube live after the PPV <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/letsplaytew" rel="external nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/letsplaytew</a></p>

[Jaysin]

So for years WWE said the WHC wasn't the same title as NWA/WCW WHC and now it is?

[electric appliance]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Russelrules44" data-cite="Russelrules44" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I just finished watching the WWE TLC kickoff.<p> </p><p> ....It's official....Dolph Ziggler is finished, HHH, you can go straight to hell........cause you've just ended a great career.....</p><p> </p><p> So does this mean Ziggler will deliver a shoot promo on Monday Night Raw tomorrow?....HE'D HAD BETTER!</p></div></blockquote><p> He lost to Fandango? So I'm 1 for 1 with my predictions.</p>

[Jaysin]

They announced that the winner of Orton/Cena will be the WWE World Heavyweight Champion instead of Undisputed or Unified.

[TheWrestlingMan]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So for years WWE said the WHC wasn't the same title as NWA/WCW WHC and now it is?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> They've never said that? Atleast I can't recall them ever saying it wasn't.</p>

[Jaysin]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TheWrestlingMan" data-cite="TheWrestlingMan" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>They've never said that? Atleast I can't recall them ever saying it wasn't.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> They've always said that Triple H was the first ever World Heavyweight Champion and the lineage even starts with him on their website. </p><p> </p><p> <a href="http://www.wwe.com/classics/titlehistory/worldheavyweight" rel="external nofollow">http://www.wwe.com/classics/titlehistory/worldheavyweight</a></p><p> </p><p> As opposed to the US and Cruiserweight titles have ALWAYS been said to have the same lineage as the WCW/NWA US and WCW Cruiserweight/Light Heavyweight.</p><p> </p><p> <a href="http://www.wwe.com/classics/titlehistory/unitedstates" rel="external nofollow">US Title Lineage</a></p><p> <a href="http://www.wwe.com/classics/titlehistory/cruiser" rel="external nofollow">Cruiserweight Lineage</a></p><p> </p><p> Where as the history of the WCW World Heavyweight Championship begins with Ric Flair beating Sting in January 1991 and ends with Chris Jericho in December 2001.</p><p> </p><p> <a href="http://www.wwe.com/classics/titlehistory/wcwchampionship" rel="external nofollow">WCW World Heavyweight Championship</a></p>

[Rickymex]

The guy pn reddit posting spoilers said that Orton is winning the match.

[Teh_Showtime]

<p>The lineage doesnt go back because technically the NWA title is still active outside of WWE</p><p> </p><p>

However they have 99.999% of the NWA championship footage prior to 93 and have all of the WCW footage so they can do what they want</p><p> </p><p>

Winners write history</p>

[Jaysin]

I'm well aware they own all of that, I'm just saying that they've flip flopped and it's annoying.

[Rickymex]

I rather the WWE belt continue the lineage instead of the present NWA one.

[GhostDogg]

<p>And the "Brian Burial" Continues..</p><p>

hey... WWE., this PPV sucks so far... Wake up and get a clue.</p>

[Jaysin]

Match quality wise, this has been a fairly entertaining show. Outside of Miz vs Kofi and Brodus vs Truth I mean.

[GhostDogg]

<p>Thank God I didn't pay for the PPV. </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>

I think I am going to take a break from WWE for a while. .</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>

(This right here conisistutes a "Ghost Writing Blog" that I will write later)</p><p> </p><p>

And you KNOW its bad when I have to write about this...</p>

[TheWrestlingMan]

It was better than any of the DB/Orton mess so thats a plus

[Jaysin]

I really thought Cena was legit hurt after that fall. He landed real awkwardly on that table and Orton mouthed "f**k" when he looked down and then just sort of stood there for awhile for no apparent reason.

 

Maybe he forgot his line.

[Astil]

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And we're live!</p>

[milamber]

TLC Review:

 

Ziggler vs Fandango - Didn't watch. At least Ziggler only jobbed on the pre-show.

Punk vs The Shield - Slow by necessity but still a good match. Best spots: Reigns over the announce table. Reigns accidental spear on Ambrose (even though it was obvious it would happen).

Natalya vs AJ (Divas Championship) - Strong contender for best Divas match of the year. I wouldn't have minded Nattie winning but I'm glad AJ won clean (hair pulling aside).

Sandow vs Big E (Intercontinental Championship) - Decent match. I hope they use next year's Elimination Chamber to build up the IC Title. Big E, Sandow, Fandango, Ziggler, Rollins and Truth would be a decent line-up.

Real Americans vs ReyShow vs Crybaxel vs RhodeDust (Tag Team Championship) - Better match than expected but a TLC stipulation would have made it more exciting. Rey & Show were OK but it's a shame the Usos had to get shafted to make room for them.

Brodus vs Truth - This better lead to a monster Brodus push or it has no place on a PPV.

Kofi vs Miz - Hard to get excited about this feud but the match was OK. Once again, a TLC stipulation would have made it better.

Bryan vs Wyatt Family - I love all 4 guys and the match was good. My fantasy booking: Punk runs out for the DQ save and Bryan turns on him! It was never going to happen, though.

Orton vs Cena (Unified Championship) - Great match against all expectations. The finishing sequence was inventive and Orton won! That was the perfect match to finally make Orton look like a legit champ.

 

Verdict: Best PPV since SummerSlam. The big 3 matches all delivered. Only having 1 TLC match out of 8 was stupid.

[Dawn]

TLC was so-so in my opinion. Awesome in wrestling but there are some dogs.

 

And the best Diva Match of the Year was AJ vs. Kaitlyn at Payback, milamber.

 

''Brodus vs Truth - This better lead to a monster Brodus push or it has no place on a PPV.'' You crazy? Brodus push? You high?

[bigtplaystew]

I pretty much agree with milamber across the board. I thought the matches were pretty solid. I was glad I bought it.

[RayW]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Smasher1311" data-cite="Smasher1311" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>TLC was so-so in my opinion. Awesome in wrestling but there are some dogs.<p> </p><p> And the best Diva Match of the Year was AJ vs. Kaitlyn at Payback, milamber.</p><p> </p><p> ''Brodus vs Truth - This better lead to a monster Brodus push or it has no place on a PPV.'' You crazy? Brodus push? You high? <img alt=":eek:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/eek.png.0e09df00fa222c85760b9bc1700b5405.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> Brodus would make a pretty good monster heel. He has the size, he can get by in the ring (as a monster heel you're not expected to wrestle. You're expected to quickly destroy your opponents), and he has more charisma than a lot of the other monsters that WWE has tried to push over the last decade. I personally wouldn't mind seeing it.</p>

[Jaysin]

I wish they would have kept his NXT character. Essentially a monster heel who wore suits. It was awesome.