BHK1978 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rickymex" data-cite="Rickymex" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I think he's just saying you're old unless you mean pete? Even then he's just saying that Smackdown is more focused on in-ring action than Raw and he even says that there are different type of fans who like different things.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> No I did not mean Peter, Peter is absolutely right in what he said. I actually happen to like ROH's TV show more than I like Raw, Smackdown, or Impact but that is just my opinion. </p><p> </p><p> I did get his joke which was basically because I said I did not like what I saw on Smackdown I am some sort of old curmudgeon. I just do not get the correlation between the two. I cannot see how someone is a curmudgeon because they did not like something they watched. </p><p> </p><p> Now had he made that comment in regards to the last WWE television taping I went to was back in 1990, well then I would have been in full agreement with him saying that I am old.<img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Pretty sure he was just calling you old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickymex Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BHK1978" data-cite="BHK1978" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> Now had he made that comment in regards to the last WWE television taping I went to was back in 1990, well then I would have been in full agreement with him saying that I am old.<img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I think this is what he meant. I don't think the old thing had anything to do with smackdown and more with the last part of the comment.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BHK1978" data-cite="BHK1978" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>News flash not everybody is going to like what you like, people have different opinions. <strong>I know that comes as a shock to you and others on this site</strong> but it is the truth. </div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It's just that this seems like an overreaction. He quoted the entire comment without specifying anything but it would more common to assume he meant the second part considering the <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> than attacking your opinion.</p><p> </p><p> I do apologize for making this a bigger deal than it is but that part of the comment just irked me as nobody is innocent of pushing their preferences or going against others opinion.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthefunkchris Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rickymex" data-cite="Rickymex" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I think this is what he meant. I don't think the old thing had anything to do with smackdown and more with the last part of the comment.<p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> It's just that this seems like an overreaction. He quoted the entire comment without specifying anything but it would more common to assume he meant the second part considering the <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> than attacking your opinion.</p><p> </p><p> I do apologize for making this a bigger deal than it is but that part of the comment just irked me as nobody is innocent of pushing their preferences or going against others opinion.</p></div></blockquote><p> I agree that this is what he was talking about.. It just sounds more like what he would be talking about.</p><p> </p><p> BHK, this is the relevant points.</p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BHK1978" data-cite="BHK1978" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> </p><p> <strong>I believe this was the first WWE TV taping (I have been to plenty of Pay-Per-Views) I had been to </strong><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">since around the time they did a Superstars taping during the IC Tournament that Curt Hennig ended up winning.</span></strong><strong> So that tells you how long it has been.</strong></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Blackman" data-cite="Blackman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Dear God, that man in your avatar IS you. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> If it was about the other part, you would be correct in it making no sense in any type of way.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHK1978 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 <p>Yeah upon looking it over again it was clear what he was saying. That was why I was like what the hell?<img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> (Granted he should have just quoted that part.) </p><p> </p><p> So I am sorry for the overreaction I had here. I am just used to some posters on here trashing my opinions when I post them so I tend to get a little defensive if I think that is what is happening. It is clear that was not what was going on here. So there is nothing to see here keep the thread moving forward.<img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/redface.png.900245280682ef18c5d82399a93c5827.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 This is very much fantasy booking, but Sting faces Magnus next week and if he loses, he leaves the company. Every year around this time rumors go crazy he's in talks with WWE. This year seems a little bit more believable. On Raw one week soon, Undertaker makes his big return. He climbs in the ring does his whole down on one knee praying schtick when the purple lights fade. The sound of thunder fills the arena with strobe lights going off to give the illusion of lightning. Then a silhouette of a scorpion appears in the ring. This could go on for a few weeks eventually leading to Undertaker flat out saying "we know it's you" yadda yadda yadda and then finally, Sting appears in the rafters with black baseball bat in hand, points at Undertaker, and then at the Wrestlemania sign. Ideally, Sting wouldn't set foot in a WWE ring until Wrestlemania. This is a feud that could be entirely built around video packages highlighting each person's respective accomplishments. Sting could take these few months before Wrestlemania to get into better shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazorbeak Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I would say Sting is washed up and I don't care to see him in WWE, except that Goldust has proven what a huge difference being motivated and not being in a horribly run company has on veterans. I'm not sure how interested WWE is at this point, though. After the live crowd's response to Jake, I'm not sure they'd get much of a reaction out of Sting unless they built him up somehow for a couple months. I have to say, this year is interesting as far as the Wrestlemania build-up, because everything's in the air right now. Hopefully just having one belt to go after will help WWE re-focus on the Royal Rumble being important again, after a few snooze-worthy years of Sheamus, Del Rio, and Cena's wins. It actually does feel pretty wide-open. I could see Bryan, Punk, or Lesnar winning, but it could also be something out of left field like Batista. There's not really a sure fire winner the way it feels pretty sure-fire that Cena is winning his belt(s) back before Wrestlemania. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I really dont understand people wanting Sting to face Undertaker Throw away the one match that has been the guaranteed high point of the show for nearly a decade now for a wrestler who hasn't been consistently good since the 90s, not to mention him being old as hell and pathetic in his current condition. He's not RVD where he can get into fantastic shape depending on his mood, this is Sting, a guy so ashamed of himself that he doesn't show his arms these days in a wrestling match. His body is simply giving out on him. Sure he might be more motivated, but is it really his motivation that's holding him back as much as it is his general lack of skill these days? Then again I've always found Sting extremely overrated simply because he never worked for WWE. He hasn't been great since before the NWO angle started Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I would say Sting is washed up and I don't care to see him in WWE, except that Goldust has proven what a huge difference being motivated and not being in a horribly run company has on veterans. I'm not sure how interested WWE is at this point, though. After the live crowd's response to Jake, I'm not sure they'd get much of a reaction out of Sting unless they built him up somehow for a couple months. . I think all Sting has to do to get a massive pop would be to show up and point a bat at Undertaker, then to the WrestleMania sign lol. That's all it would have to be and fans would go absolutely insane. I think the Jake Roberts reaction proves that more than disproves it to be honest. If they mark out for a former IC champion who had a couple good runs they'd lose their minds for Sting/Taker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSelfDestruct Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 This is very much fantasy booking, but Sting faces Magnus next week and if he loses, he leaves the company. Every year around this time rumors go crazy he's in talks with WWE. This year seems a little bit more believable. On Raw one week soon, Undertaker makes his big return. He climbs in the ring does his whole down on one knee praying schtick when the purple lights fade. The sound of thunder fills the arena with strobe lights going off to give the illusion of lightning. Then a silhouette of a scorpion appears in the ring. This could go on for a few weeks eventually leading to Undertaker flat out saying "we know it's you" yadda yadda yadda and then finally, Sting appears in the rafters with black baseball bat in hand, points at Undertaker, and then at the Wrestlemania sign. Ideally, Sting wouldn't set foot in a WWE ring until Wrestlemania. This is a feud that could be entirely built around video packages highlighting each person's respective accomplishments. Sting could take these few months before Wrestlemania to get into better shape. why am I the only one that doesnt want to see that match it seems? (re-read and I agree with Teh_Showtime actually so TWO that I know of lol) Taker has aged like a fine wine, while Sting has aged like milk. THe promos and build up would be awesome, but the match would never live up to expectation. 10 years ago, I'd mark out.. Now, I REALLY don't want to see it, simply because it will hurt both IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stennick Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I never understood why the go to dream match is Taker vs. Sting, for my money it was always Shawn Michaels vs. Sting, I know thats not really an opiton with HBK being retired but I'm not sure why you put two fifty year old men who are grossly out of shape and part timers at best in a ring at Wrestlemania. I mean Sting's wrestling with a shirt on these days isn't he? And Undertaker is so banged up it takes him the entire year to heal up for one match. Not too mention the last six years now he's had to go in the ring with one of if not the best worker available to pull of having a good match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebsy Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I never watched WCW so I don't really have an opinion on Sting. From what I've read he is highly regarded and would at one time have had a great match with Taker. But personally I would have zero interest in seeing Taker defend his streak against someone who I've never actually seen before who is coming in and immediately getting to face him at Mania ahead of current superstars who could get a huge rub from a match vs Taker at Mania. He's 54, Taker needs someone younger who can really take a lot of the load for the match. I'd much rather see him face John Cena, Daniel Bryan, or someone like Brock Lesnar. Even someone like Dolph Ziggler to get that rub. The Taker match is always one I look forward to, despite the outcome being pretty obvious. It's the quality of the match that does it, and more often than not over the past several years it has been really good, but a lot of that is dependant on his opponent. The matches with HBK being some of my favourite matches of all. I would have no interest in a match between Taker and Sting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I honestly would prefer HBK vs Sting, but out of the current people in WWE, the only two matches that make sense for Sting are Undertaker and Vince McMahon and I hope to god that Vince never, ever, ever attempts a wrestling match again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Of all the current roster the only person I'd care to see Sting clash with is Orton for the legend killer angle because it would bring forth the obvious flaws with modern day Sting. Then again Im one of the only people who thinks he should have stopped wrestling over 5 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSelfDestruct Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Then again Im one of the only people who thinks he should have stopped wrestling over 5 years ago. Agree with this. TNA has done him no good. I'm not one for legends staying WAYYYYY past their prime, or coming back for return matches for the very reason I stated not wanting to see Sting/Taker. I see people from the IWC talking about wanting Austin to return, it's like really? The guy's body gave out on him years ago, hasn't been in a ring for 10 years, and you expect him to come out and give anything more than a crap match, you're ridiculous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 <p>Im just disappointed in the current generation of wrestlers getting shafted for time every WM season and then people wonder why the current guys can't get over.</p><p> </p><p> Outside of the essential names to sell the PPV (Taker Brock or Rock) I would just rather not have any old timers back ever. Quite frankly its counterproductive and deprives current guys of potential career making performances because they are always stuck in jumbo multi-man matches.</p><p> </p><p> Its one thing to think they are going to boost buys, at eventually it will produce diminishing returns like WWE saw when WM29 did worse than WM28 despite the same roster with the addition of Brock Lesnar. Dolph Ziggler is a two time world champion and he hasn't even had a match at Mania with less than four people in it. What does that tell you about how important he is? And its like that for a lot of the current roster. Jack Swagger got a jobber entrance for a world title match last year, I think that speaks for itself.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSelfDestruct Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Im just disappointed in the current generation of wrestlers getting shafted for time every WM season and then people wonder why the current guys can't get over.<p> </p><p> Outside of the essential names to sell the PPV (Taker Brock or Rock) I would just rather not have any old timers back ever. Quite frankly its counterproductive and deprives current guys of potential career making performances because they are always stuck in jumbo multi-man matches.</p><p> </p><p> Its one thing to think they are going to boost buys, at eventually it will produce diminishing returns like WWE saw when WM29 did worse than WM28 despite the same roster with the addition of Brock Lesnar. Dolph Ziggler is a two time world champion and he hasn't even had a match at Mania with less than four people in it. What does that tell you about how important he is? And its like that for a lot of the current roster. Jack Swagger got a jobber entrance for a world title match last year, I think that speaks for itself.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> definitely agreed, and idk if it's the office or the wrestlers either, I mean do you expect a lot of these bigger guys to help get someone over I doubt it. and considering how few of them are left, you are only left to make new stars on the midcard, which means nothing anymore. </p><p> </p><p> Kofi Kingston loses to Curtis Axel, and every other midcarder on Raw and then gets a win over Orton. Shows how little they care about momentum</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Yeah that one was insane, they could have at least gave the win to Big E since Orton cheated against him on SD and he's a strong IC champ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 <p>I mean I just used Taker/Sting as an example of a situation where people would be excited for a Sting run in WWE. I would think it stands to reason those two in a high profile WM build would do nice business for older fans and younger ones alike. I feel like the aura around both guys is unique and works well in a build. </p><p> </p><p> Of course a storyline where HBK comes back to face Sting would ALSO do huge business an is another example of a situation where WWE fans would love to see Sting.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rone Rivendale Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 TBH, the only person I'd want to see Sting wrestle at WM is Ric Flair. They can do what they thought they were doing at the last Nitro taping and end both their careers against each other in a classic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rone Rivendale" data-cite="Rone Rivendale" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>TBH, the only person I'd want to see Sting wrestle at WM is Ric Flair. They can do what they thought they were doing at the last Nitro taping and end both their careers against each other in a classic.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> They both hated their match at the last Nitro a lot.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 <p>On the Smackdown debate. I've found it has consistently better ring action than Raw, which focuses more on the big storylines. Although since the brand split was removed and The Shield started getting major air time, they have been spamming matches a lot. So if you miss Smackdown half the matches are repeated on Raw. Although Cena and Rollins had a great match not long ago that didn't get repeated on Raw and I'm sure a lot of people missed it. Good news with the WWE Network is that you will be able to skim the recaps and easily find the matches from Raw, Smackdown & NXT that are worth watching and save a lot of time.</p><p> </p><p> On the Sting debate. I've never watched TNA but I've been browsing some recaps recently and the general consensus in the comments section is that Sting is in poor shape. Maybe he can do DDP Yoga if he signed with WWE <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> The other issue is the luke-warm reaction some of the veterans got on Old School Raw. Now imagine if Sting showed up at non-smarky arenas full of kids who know jack about WCW. The marketing team would have to work overtime making sure everyone knows what a big deal Sting is. Again, if they waited until WM31 and planned ahead, they could do something interesting with Sting, but I'd hate to see them shoehorn him into WM30 and drop the ball.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazorbeak Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="milamber" data-cite="milamber" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The other issue is the luke-warm reaction some of the veterans got on Old School Raw. Now imagine if Sting showed up at non-smarky arenas full of kids who know jack about WCW. The marketing team would have to work overtime making sure everyone knows what a big deal Sting is. Again, if they waited until WM31 and planned ahead, they could do something interesting with Sting, but I'd hate to see them shoehorn him into WM30 and drop the ball.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah, that was my bigger roadblock to a Sting comeback in 2-3 months. An entire generation of WWE fans aren't particularly familiar with Sting. He hasn't been part of a national promotion since 2001, 13 years ago, and while I'm sure some young wrestling fans know who he is, it would take some build to get a 50 year old guy over again with a younger audience. And is he really worth putting in the time to do that?</p><p> </p><p> Also, I agree with everybody else that WWE in general needs to stop being such a nostalgia act. I get why Rock and Brock show up to these things, but WWE does such a poor job of giving new guys "Wrestlemania moments." Look back to two years ago: The Rock beats Cena, as a non-wrestler from the past beats WWE's top guy. Then, you've got Undertaker vs Triple H again, with both of them on part-time schedules and Triple H soon to retire (and a combined age of 88). Both these matches go 30 minutes, so Sheamus/Bryan goes 18 seconds. And as if that weren't enough, Randy Orton is putting over Kane, a 44 year old who was already limited in the ring, and Cody Rhodes is putting over the Big Show, a 39 year old. The only case of a young guy beating an old timer on the entire show was Punk going over Jericho, in a match and feud that was pretty quickly forgotten about. I know it makes Wrestlemania seem special when you only see these guys once a year, but as a side-effect it makes your 365 day roster look like the B-team.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvdWarrior Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 <p>WWE is actually doing (very) good by me lately, and is probably (for the first time in recent memory) my favorite in the new wrestling show department. I also like ROH's TV show, and think they're on the way up. In other news, I've been watching a promotion called TCW on one of the channels I've stumbled across on the Dish, (it's Traditional Championship Wrestling, so no Tommy Cornell, Wolf Hawkins, or Sammy Bach, sadly). It's ok, they have Lance Hoyt, and occasionally Tarver from the Nexus, Zach Gowen, Matt Hardy, and more recently Tommy Dreamer. I didn't even know the company existed till I saw it in the listings one night.</p><p> </p><p> TNA mainly makes me scratch my head nowadays.</p><p> </p><p> I'll admit I'd like to see Sting sign with WWE... but mainly because I very much want a Sting DVD that only WWE has the rights to produce, (his matches with Muta, Vader, Flair, Cactus Jack, all the classics). Maybe he could sign a legends deal or something.</p><p> </p><p> <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 <p><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">NXT Review:</span></strong></p><p> </p><p> <strong>Neville vs Breeze</strong> - Started slow but turned into a good match with Neville winning. I'd love to see more matches between these two.</p><p> <strong>Parker vs Jordan </strong>- Debutant Jason Jordan (an athletic amateur wrestler) lost this quick match.</p><p> <strong>Dallas vs Rawley</strong> - Mojo got the crowd behind him but his moveset is weak. Dallas is a great heel but with his bland style and ironic character I fear he'll flop on the main roster.</p><p> <strong>Kofi vs Rusev</strong> - Better than their last match. Kofi made it 1-1. It's a shame the usually good Full Sail crowd spent half the match chanting crap like "Feed me more, Goldberg, We want tables" and doing the Mexican Wave. They better not pull this crap on the WWE Network live show next month.</p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Verdict:</span></strong> Average show. The first and last matches were worth watching. The announce team of Saxton, Phillips & Tensai is improving. MVP: Alexander Rusev. The man is a straight-up brute heel.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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