The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

[Stennick]

<p>This is where the interent fan thing comes into play. You think 12 year old Johnny is saying "man the prestige of that title has gone down hill" titles lost ALL prestige during the attitude era. Didn't the WWE title change hands like four times in a month or something like that? </p><p> </p><p>

12 year old Johnny and 59 year old John who watch wrestling together aren't saying "man that title has lost prestige and Randy Orton is being booked to look like a chump" they're saying man how lucky can Orton get to keep this title, I hope John Cena beats the hell out of him at the Elimination Chamber"</p><p> </p><p>

I have no qualms with how Orton has been booked. The fans are booing him and responding accordingly. He's been booked badly sure but hasn't everyone been booked badly? I haven't been interested in a Mania build up since I think 2006 but this is by far the worst Mania build up ever. We're just over a month out and they are treating this whole thing like its September or something.</p><p> </p><p>

I know a lot of it is they don't want to pull the trigger on anything until the Network launches which is stupid because if you pull the trigger on the big time stuff now then people will already be tuned in.</p>

[MrSelfDestruct]

<p>Big differences in eras though. Attitude era that was almost expected because everything was chaotic. </p><p> </p><p>

What I mean, is it is a brand new title, they've made this mistake before by making the "undisputed" champ need 8 guys to win. They are blowing this as well. First by not unifying at Mania, still don't get that. And now they are making Orton look like every face main eventer can beat him cleanly anyday, which IMO is dumb. He is your World Champion, if he can't really beat anyone without help what does that say of your "champion" or worse off, your title.</p><p> </p><p>

I definitely agree this is horrible build up to Mania, especially since its the 30th one.. They had GREAT buildup to WM XX, matches nearly everyone wanted to see, the childhood dream realized moments, dream matches, return of the Phenom.. This Mania is shaping up to be just another forgotten one like 24-27 were for me. 23 would probably go in that to if I hadn't been there</p>

[demondragonking]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>This is where the interent fan thing comes into play. You think 12 year old Johnny is saying "man the prestige of that title has gone down hill" titles lost ALL prestige during the attitude era. Didn't the WWE title change hands like four times in a month or something like that? <p> </p><p> 12 year old Johnny and 59 year old John who watch wrestling together aren't saying "man that title has lost prestige and Randy Orton is being booked to look like a chump" they're saying man how lucky can Orton get to keep this title, I hope John Cena beats the hell out of him at the Elimination Chamber"</p><p> </p><p> I have no qualms with how Orton has been booked. The fans are booing him and responding accordingly. He's been booked badly sure but hasn't everyone been booked badly? I haven't been interested in a Mania build up since I think 2006 but this is by far the worst Mania build up ever. We're just over a month out and they are treating this whole thing like its September or something.</p><p> </p><p> I know a lot of it is they don't want to pull the trigger on anything until the Network launches which is stupid because if you pull the trigger on the big time stuff now then people will already be tuned in.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I agree with pretty much all of this. The booking isn't for the 'hardcore' wrestling fans at the moment, the fans that tune in every show and buy PPVs. They know those people will come back and those they lose will be offset by the casual fans that decide to watch regularly.</p><p> </p><p> As for the title prestige, heck by this point you could replace both belts with that little cardboard crown kids they used to have available at Burger King for all it represents now. I agree that it's a prop, no more no less.</p><p> </p><p> I used to watch all WWEs shows, now I only bother with Raw and that's when I remember it's on. Even then it loses out to The Black List when that comes on. I'm not interested in 'Mania. The Main Event doesn't sound like anything I'm willing to watch let alone pay to watch. Heck, I'm more interested in this Shield vs. Wyatt fight and if anything comes of that than anything Mania has on the table. Even then I'm not buying the PPV, haven't bought a PPV in Aaaaaaages. I dare say that the upcoming network and even this WWE app thing(to a lesser degree) they keep pushing has all but overshadowed their PPVs, Even the upcoming Mania.</p><p> </p><p> of course these are just my opinions, I could be wrong.</p>

[Teh_Showtime]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="petecrimson00" data-cite="petecrimson00" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Big differences in eras though. Attitude era that was almost expected because everything was chaotic. <p> </p><p> What I mean, is it is a brand new title, they've made this mistake before by making the "undisputed" champ need 8 guys to win. They are blowing this as well. First by not unifying at Mania, still don't get that. And now they are making Orton look like every face main eventer can beat him cleanly anyday, which IMO is dumb. He is your World Champion, if he can't really beat anyone without help what does that say of your "champion" or worse off, your title.</p><p> </p><p> I definitely agree this is horrible build up to Mania, especially since its the 30th one.. They had GREAT buildup to WM XX, matches nearly everyone wanted to see, the childhood dream realized moments, dream matches, return of the Phenom.. This Mania is shaping up to be just another forgotten one like 24-27 were for me. 23 would probably go in that to if I hadn't been there</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> WM 24 was the best one since 19 <img alt=":confused:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/confused.png.d4a8e6b6eab0c67698b911fb041c0ed1.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[MrSelfDestruct]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="demondragonking" data-cite="demondragonking" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> As for the title prestige, heck by this point you could replace both belts with that little cardboard crown kids they used to have available at Burger King for all it represents now. I agree that it's a prop, no more no less.</p><p> .</p></div></blockquote><p> I work at BK and take offense to this...</p><p> </p><p> our crowns are the shit.. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>WM 24 was the best one since 19 <img alt=":confused:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/confused.png.d4a8e6b6eab0c67698b911fb041c0ed1.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Not for me. it's a forgotten one to me, but of course I wasn't watching much at the time. I'm just saying look at those few and tell me which matches are truly memorable besides maybe the Taker matches.</p>

[ThriceP86]

<p>Crimson, maybe you should take a look at WM24 then because that had HBK vs. Flair, a damn good triple threat match (although I'd say the WM20 triple threat is the best) Orton vs Triple H vs. Cena, and of course Edge vs Undertaker. I know this because I've actually watched all three of those matches over and over the past couple years.</p><p> </p><p>

That is not a forgettable Mania for me... but like you said, you weren't watching...</p>

[Rickymex]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ThriceP86" data-cite="ThriceP86" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Crimson, maybe you should take a look at WM24 then because that had HBK vs. Flair, a damn good triple threat match (although I'd say the WM20 triple threat is the best) Orton vs Triple H vs. Cena, and of course Edge vs Undertaker. I know this because I've actually watched all three of those matches over and over the past couple years.<p> </p><p> That is not a forgettable Mania for me... but like you said, you weren't watching...</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> that triple threat with hhh vs. Hbk vs. Bob holly was great</p>

[TakerNGN74]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="petecrimson00" data-cite="petecrimson00" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Big differences in eras though. Attitude era that was almost expected because everything was chaotic. <p> </p><p> What I mean, is it is a brand new title, they've made this mistake before by making the "undisputed" champ need 8 guys to win. They are blowing this as well. First by not unifying at Mania, still don't get that. And now they are making Orton look like every face main eventer can beat him cleanly anyday, which IMO is dumb. He is your World Champion, if he can't really beat anyone without help what does that say of your "champion" or worse off, your title.</p><p> </p><p> I definitely agree this is horrible build up to Mania, especially since its the 30th one.. They had GREAT buildup to WM XX, matches nearly everyone wanted to see, the childhood dream realized moments, dream matches, return of the Phenom.. <strong>This Mania is shaping up to be just another forgotten one like 24-27 were for me</strong>. 23 would probably go in that to if I hadn't been there</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You honestly think that WM 24 and 26 were forgettable Mania's you sir are not a true wrestling fan. I'll give you 25 because aside from Michaels vs. Taker being perhaps the greatest match of all time there was nothing else on that card that really jumped out at me as being great. I'll also give you Wrestlemania 27 because the only match on it that was worthy of watching was HHH vs. Taker and that was their worst Mania match against each other. The Rock ruined that Mania which was why it was bad as he was the guest host, no match aside from HHH vs. Taker got over 15 minutes. Not to mention the main event of the biggest show of the year felt like a main event on a three hour RAW (before 3 hour RAW's became the norm) the crowd was dead.</p><p> </p><p> But in all seriousness if you think WM 24 and 26 were forgettable than I challenge you to go back and watch Wrestlemania 9 and 11 because those two Mania's are the two <strong>WORST EVER</strong> and I dare you to say otherwise.</p>

[Teh_Showtime]

24 had the best MITB match, Flair's retirement, Bradshaw/Finlay, Edge/Taker, Mayweather/Big Show, and even a Orton win over Cena and HHH nobody predicted.

[Stennick]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="petecrimson00" data-cite="petecrimson00" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Big differences in eras though. Attitude era that was almost expected because everything was chaotic. </div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It doesn't get a pass because "those were the times" there are so many things throughout history where the answer is "thats just how it was back then" that are WRONG. The Rock was pinned with a forklift which was funny and unexpected but really kind of silly for a World Title match. There was one month where the championship changed hands like five time. Countless other things have happened to damage the credibility of that championship if such a thing existed (it doesn't). </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>What I mean, is it is a brand new title, they've made this mistake before by making the "undisputed" champ need 8 guys to win. They are blowing this as well. First by not unifying at Mania, still don't get that. And now they are making Orton look like every face main eventer can beat him cleanly anyday, which IMO is dumb.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I don't mind them not unifying at Mania. Here's the thing the WWE is a business and if they already know they're getting those buys at Mania why not try to prop up a few more buys at another pay per view? Wasn't it the December pay per view they did this at? That says it all right there thats usually the lowest drawing ppv of the year. </p><p> </p><p> First of all they aren't making Orton look like he can't beat anyone. He's lost to Cena and Bryan the two top babyfaces for the last two years. Thats like saying Ric Flair was made to look like he couldn't beat anyone if he lost to Luger and Sting back to back. NOBODY would say that its freaking Sting and Luger just like its Cena and Bryan. </p><p> </p><p> You're saying "they're making Orton look like any main eventer can beat him." Ric Flair did this SAME stuff. How many matches would he have lost the title in if it weren't for the Horsemen interfering, or Shawn Michaels not winning a match without interference in 97 when he was the champion. Or Hollywood Hogan doing it. So if people say "Orton can't beat anybody yet he's the champion" couldn't they say "Flair/Hogan/Michaels can't beat anybody and they would have lost that damn match if ten of their buddies didn't steal it for them" I have no idea what the difference is. </p><p> </p><p> Seriously though no wrestling fan outside of us who obsess over this stuff has said "you know that WWE title has lost prestige". I never even heard the word "prestige" in the Attitude era. They are screwing up a ton of things and we could all go over the list for days and Orton is included in it.</p>

[MrSelfDestruct]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TakerNGN74" data-cite="TakerNGN74" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You honestly think that WM 24 and 26 were forgettable Mania's you sir are not a true wrestling fan. I'll give you 25 because aside from Michaels vs. Taker being perhaps the greatest match of all time there was nothing else on that card that really jumped out at me as being great. I'll also give you Wrestlemania 27 because the only match on it that was worthy of watching was HHH vs. Taker and that was their worst Mania match against each other. The Rock ruined that Mania which was why it was bad as he was the guest host, no match aside from HHH vs. Taker got over 15 minutes. Not to mention the main event of the biggest show of the year felt like a main event on a three hour RAW (before 3 hour RAW's became the norm) the crowd was dead.<p> </p><p> But in all seriousness if you think WM 24 and 26 were forgettable than I challenge you to go back and watch Wrestlemania 9 and 11 because those two Mania's are the two <strong>WORST EVER</strong> and I dare you to say otherwise.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> whoa, whoa, whoa. Your opinion of a "true wrestling fan" is different than mine, so don't just throw that around. I respect your opinion respect mine. </p><p> </p><p> During that time frame i was watching sporadically, so I may be a bit fuzzy. Jericho is my favorite and I still didn't so much like 26. My main basis for this wasn't personal opinion anyways, it was more from the WWE 2k14, Wrestlemania mode. Nearly all the Manias before 20 had two very memorable matches you played, after that, a few had 2, but still weren't too memorable.</p><p> </p><p> SO I guess I went off the WWE's opinion of memorable.</p><p> </p><p> My main point is just that they are getting more and more forgettable without a decent (not even asking for GOOD) story to go by. So many medicore feuds or floating midcarders have ruined the midcard for anything, so back when the midcard matches even had decent stories they seemed to mean more. I say bring back MITB back to WM, start giving some of these guys real pushes. </p><p> </p><p> i just think they put too much emphasis on the main event, and with this year being Cena/Orton/Bryan (I assume) vs Batista, that just isn't gonna cut it. They need to get at least a few decent feuds going if they expect this Mania to be anything but a flop and possibly worst in a long time</p><p> </p><p> And I wasn't saying they were the worst ever btw, just forgettable</p>

[TakerNGN74]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="petecrimson00" data-cite="petecrimson00" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>whoa, whoa, whoa. Your opinion of a "true wrestling fan" is different than mine, so don't just throw that around. I respect your opinion respect mine. <p> </p><p> During that time frame i was watching sporadically, so I may be a bit fuzzy. Jericho is my favorite and I still didn't so much like 26. My main basis for this wasn't personal opinion anyways, it was more from the WWE 2k14, Wrestlemania mode. Nearly all the Manias before 20 had two very memorable matches you played, after that, a few had 2, but still weren't too memorable.</p><p> </p><p> SO I guess I went off the WWE's opinion of memorable.</p><p> </p><p> My main point is just that they are getting more and more forgettable without a decent (not even asking for GOOD) story to go by. So many medicore feuds or floating midcarders have ruined the midcard for anything, so back when the midcard matches even had decent stories they seemed to mean more. I say bring back MITB back to WM, start giving some of these guys real pushes. </p><p> </p><p> i just think they put too much emphasis on the main event, and with this year being Cena/Orton/Bryan (I assume) vs Batista, that just isn't gonna cut it. They need to get at least a few decent feuds going if they expect this Mania to be anything but a flop and possibly worst in a long time</p><p> </p><p> And I wasn't saying they were the worst ever btw, just forgettable</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I respect your opinion so I am sorry that I came off the way that I did in my previous post I was just trying to have a friendly debate.</p><p> </p><p> However I will say this and take it for what you will but your basing your opinions <strong>OFF OF HOW THOSE WRESTLEMANIA'S CAME ACROSS IN A VIDEO GAME</strong> is laughable and one of the funniest things I've ever read from any poster on this forum.</p><p> </p><p> Go back and actually watch those Wrestlemania's and your opinion will be completely different after watching them. I would trust the real thing over a VIDEO GAME any day of the week and twice on Sunday.</p>

[MrSelfDestruct]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TakerNGN74" data-cite="TakerNGN74" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I respect your opinion so I am sorry that I came off the way that I did in my previous post I was just trying to have a friendly debate.<p> </p><p> However I will say this and take it for what you will but your basing your opinions <strong>OFF OF HOW THOSE WRESTLEMANIA'S CAME ACROSS IN A VIDEO GAME</strong> is laughable and one of the funniest things I've ever read from any poster on this forum.</p><p> </p><p> Go back and actually watch those Wrestlemania's and your opinion will be completely different after watching them. I would trust the real thing over a VIDEO GAME any day of the week and twice on Sunday.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> <strong>I have watched them.</strong> I've never missed a Mania.The game was more a reminder, and apparently not of everything. </p><p> </p><p> it apparently wasn't that off either considering you only disagreed with 2 of the said events. I'm sorry I didn't wiki to check everything. I now have, and they're still forgettable to me. So I guess we just have different tastes or I didn't like how things were going then</p>

[Stennick]

<p>Honestly for me the last Wrestlemania I cared about was 21. 22 was cool for the Cena stuff and 23 I think had the first MiTB. After that though its all a blur. I know the Taker matches for the last five pay per views, I know Shawn and Ric had a match but outside of that its all a blur. Feels like a lot of Orton/Cena/Triple H in the main events and that just bores me. </p><p> </p><p>

I'm just waiting on this network. Hell I watch the shows JUST for the network segment where they reveal just a little bit more each show.</p>

[TakerNGN74]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Honestly for me the last Wrestlemania I cared about was 21. 22 was cool for the Cena stuff and 23 I think had the first MiTB. After that though its all a blur. I know the Taker matches for the last five pay per views, I know Shawn and Ric had a match but outside of that its all a blur. Feels like a lot of Orton/Cena/Triple H in the main events and that just bores me. <p> </p><p> I'm just waiting on this network. Hell I watch the shows JUST for the network segment where they reveal just a little bit more each show.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I personally really enjoyed Wrestlemania 22 but mainly because I was there live, had I not been there I would probably have a different opinion on it. It was a good mania for what it was but could have been so much better Had certain things not happened i.e. Eddie not dying. I have heard rumors (again rumors not necessarily true) that if Eddie was still alive that they would have had Shawn Michaels vs. Eddie Guerrero at WM 22. Also they were originally going to do Angle vs. Taker at 22 as well but they did it at No Way Out of that year instead if my memory serves me right.</p>

[MrSelfDestruct]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Honestly for me the last Wrestlemania I cared about was 21. 22 was cool for the Cena stuff and 23 I think had the first MiTB. After that though its all a blur. I know the Taker matches for the last five pay per views, I know Shawn and Ric had a match but outside of that its all a blur. Feels like a lot of Orton/Cena/Triple H in the main events and that just bores me. <p> </p><p> I'm just waiting on this network. Hell I watch the shows JUST for the network segment where they reveal just a little bit more each show.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Honestly the same for me. I wasn't even watching much when I went to Wm 23. I think the first MITB was 21 btw. 23 had Cena/Michaels, Batista/Taker, and Lashley/Umaga.</p><p> </p><p> And me too, idk much about it, but I remember the rumor years ago that when the Network came out there was gonna be an all cruiserweight show. And very excited to watch NXT, I hear good things all the time about the matches, and I love a good slobberknocker</p>

[bigtplaystew]

I always love wrestlemania. Even the bad ones. It's wrestlemania! It's that old pizza/sex routine... even when it's bad it's still good.

[Dawn]

I'm participating in the Reading Contest and even with this year's WrestleMania looking like it will be pure shit, if i win, i will love it. Because it will be a special moment that i will hold on forever.

 

And about the WWE Network, i'm totally subscribing for it on my PS3 because of the PPVs and the Monday Night Wars series.

[milamber]

<p><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Raw Review:</span></strong></p><p> </p><p>

<strong>Mysterio & Rhodes Bros vs Wyatt Family</strong> - Solid match. Running Sister Abigail is a good finisher. I'm surprised by how well Mysterio has been protected since his return.</p><p>

<strong>Santino vs Fandango</strong> - OK squash match with a few comedy spots. Looking forward to a mixed tag match.</p><p>

<strong>Christian & Sheamus vs Real Americans</strong> - Cesaro is finally getting over! Sheamus and Cesaro put on a brawling clinic. Good match.</p><p>

<strong>Ziggler vs Del Rio</strong> - Could have been a good match but it was way too short. Batista finally got a segment that wasn't boring.</p><p>

<strong>Usos vs Rybaxel</strong> - Good match. The Usos deserve to be the next tag champs. Road Dogg is entertaining on commentary.</p><p>

<strong>Ambrose vs Henry (US Title)</strong> - Good to see them addressing Ambrose's uneventful title reign. Match was OK. Henry looked slow. Wyatts/Shield face-off was the best part.</p><p>

<strong>Cena vs Orton</strong> - Good match but I find it hard to care about either guy when they face each other.</p><p> </p><p>

<span style="text-decoration:underline;"><strong>Verdict:</strong></span> Average show.</p>

[TakerNGN74]

I read a report that said that Antonio Cesaro will now only be reffered to as Cesaro from here on out. To further prove that this is indeed what is happening if you go to WWE.com they list him only as Cesaro. I'm not sure if I like this or not but we will see where it goes I guess.

[BHK1978]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TakerNGN74" data-cite="TakerNGN74" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>But in all seriousness if you think WM 24 and 26 were forgettable than I challenge you to go back and watch Wrestlemania 9 and 11 because those two Mania's are the two <strong>WORST EVER</strong> and I dare you to say otherwise.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I was at 11 so I can confirm it was one of the worst.<img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> I was watching the Shawn Michaels Mr. WrestleMania DVD with my friend and I quickly realized that after WrestleMania 11 my memory of them seems to be blank. Another weird thing is I can name all of the WWWF/WWF champions in order up until The Ultimate Warrior (Yes I even know about Uncle Ivan and Stan the Man winning the title) after that I have no clue as to who when the belt when. All of this stuff seems to blend together for me. </p><p> </p><p> I could not even remember the last one that I watched and by looking it up on Wikipedia I think the last WrestleMania I saw was 22. I am not even one hundred percent sure that is true but the card looks familiar enough so I guess that was the last one that I watched.</p>

[Target Practice]

<p>Just saw Raw - man, Sheamus doesn't get enough credit for being able to drag a good match out of an absolutely nothing spot on the card. That tag match was the best thing about that show, yet you couldn't have blamed any of the guys (except perhaps Cesaro) for phoning it in a bit. Credit to the other guys as well, but Sheamus seems to do it time and time again - I remember the match he had with Big Show last year that I almost fast forwarded through I was that convinced it was going to stink, and it was brilliant.</p><p> </p><p>

Also, was I the only person on the planet that noticed Swagger's face when Cesaro said he was going to be the first Real American to win the championship? None of the reports I read said anything about it, not even the commentators picked up on it, so I figured maybe it wasn't deliberately supposed to tease the tension (which makes Swagger's reaction even funnier) - either that or everyone missed it.</p>

[Stennick]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Smasher1311" data-cite="Smasher1311" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'm participating in the Reading Contest and even with this year's WrestleMania looking like it will be pure shit, if i win, i will love it. Because it will be a special moment that i will hold on forever..</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> See thats what I don't understand. If I was watching a TV show and it had been ten years since I was even remotely excited or interested in that show 1. I wouldn't continue to watch it and 2. I certainly wouldn't say "yeah I totally want to be on set". </p><p> </p><p> I understand people like Ziggler, or maybe even Bryan or Punk but they usually such a minor part of the show even when being pushed and they will ALWAYS be second fiddle to Cena and Orton so I guess I just don't understand why people continue to watch. </p><p> </p><p> Let me rephrase I understand why people watch but then I don't understand why those people then COMPLAIN about the product. You can watch any RAW from the last ten years and its exactly the same. You know what you're getting, you know its not going to change and at the very least if it does it will be for the worst. Yet people still watch every week and then complain about "the product". </p><p> </p><p> I don't get the whole "its Wrestlemania" why do I care if I'm not interested in seeing anyone. I can't think of a single media venture in the world that can continue to be as bland, dull and uninteresting as the WWE is and still have people willing to watch their product. I often kid about WWE fans being addicts but I think its kind of true. It doesn't matter what they do, who they push, or anything else. Some people the core audience will tune in each and every week and put up with everything if anything else in hopes that something will interest them. </p><p> </p><p> I think I stopped watching full time in December of 2003. I'll pop back in when things like Summer of Punk happen but then they screwed that up the very next week. If someone gave me free tickets to Wrestlemania I'd give them to my 12 year old brother and tell him to have fun. </p><p> </p><p> I'm thinking when the Network debuts I'll stop watching current product all together and just restart my fandom back in 1985 and relive it all over again.</p>

[Teh_Showtime]

I agree with Sheamus being a good worker. Him and Ryback had a REALLY good match on SD last week, I would recommend it to anyone. It could have been a show stealer on PPV if they had 10 more minutes, but as a throwaway SD match it was great.

[Hive]

If WWE actually manages to sign Sting and plan to feature him in some form at WrestleMania, I will watch it just for that.

 

But none - and I mean NONE - of the different rumored matchups interest me the slightest.

 

Well, except for Sheamus vs. Daniel Bryan - which now seems 100 % scrapped.