Teh_Showtime Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 <p>If he didn't want someone to get over they just wouldn't use them period. He might not think he has a ceiling as high as another guy, but that's not even close to the same thing.</p><p> </p><p> He has been pushed as one of the stronger members of the roster for over a decade now and has consistently been at a level only below the top 1% of the roster. There are many reasons why is may not have been pushed into that 1% but I highly doubt that he is above 98% purely because of merchandise considering that Zack Ryder broke near the top of merch sales and saw his TV success plummet pretty much instantly. Truth is that Rey makes for a much better gatekeeper type that can fluctuate and they don't have many of them. Jericho was another who did the same thing.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delv213 Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>If he didn't want someone to get over they just wouldn't use them period. He might not think he has a ceiling as high as another guy, but that's not even close to the same thing.<p> </p><p> He has been pushed as one of the stronger members of the roster for over a decade now and has consistently been at a level only below the top 1% of the roster. There are many reasons why is may not have been pushed into that 1% but I highly doubt that he is above 98% purely because of merchandise considering that Zack Ryder broke near the top of merch sales and saw his TV success plummet pretty much instantly. Truth is that Rey makes for a much better gatekeeper type that can fluctuate and they don't have many of them. Jericho was another who did the same thing.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Vince has always booked people he doesn't like as long as they sell merchandise, hell he brought back the nWo which was the concept that nearly put him out of business back in 1997 only to shit on them the night of WM18 when they were booked to go over Austin and beat down Rock after he beat Hogan. Instead he changed it all last minute.</p><p> </p><p> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiLjDD_RvIo" rel="external nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiLjDD_RvIo</a></p><p> </p><p> Just listen to these guys talk about it. The nWo was still over and Vince clearly screwed them last minute just because they were considered the WCW guys that almost put him out of business. He's done this to numerous talent that he didn't create.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 <p>The NWO wasnt still over and WCW buyrates in the dying days prove this. In fact by 2000 Hogan stopped popping a buyrate for WCW at all since Hogan-less PPVs averaged the same as ones where he wrestled singles matches. Nash and Hall's worth expired well before then as well.</p><p> </p><p> And in no world do I believe Vince ever even considered Scott Hall going over Austin considering that they had Nash not work a specific program in the case that Hall famously decided to not show up. Meanwhile Austin was relatively fresh from a face turn and still STEVE AUSTIN.</p><p> </p><p> I don't doubt that they said it, because they probably did to appease them, but I'm fairly certain Austin was always going over.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delv213 Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The NWO wasnt still over and WCW buyrates in the dying days prove this. In fact by 2000 Hogan stopped popping a buyrate for WCW at all since Hogan-less PPVs averaged the same as ones where he wrestled singles matches. Nash and Hall's worth expired well before then as well.<p> </p><p> And in no world do I believe Vince ever even considered Scott Hall going over Austin considering that they had Nash not work a specific program in the case that Hall famously decided to not show up. Meanwhile Austin was relatively fresh from a face turn and still STEVE AUSTIN.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Well Vince obviously saw money in Hogan since had him beating Triple H the next month at Backlash 2002 for the title. I always find it odd they had Triple H basically bury Jericho at Wrestlemania 18 only to have him lose to Hogan the next month. I guess Vince is/was still a giant mark for Hogan.</p><p> </p><p> As for the Hall going over Austin thing, Vince probably lied so that Hall would get to Mania sober. This was the same concept that almost put him out of business and I doubt he pushes them like Nash and Hall said he promised to.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 <p>I've personally have always thought Hogan had it in his contract to get a title reign because once Taker beat him for the strap right after he won it (like a month after), Hogan went straight to the midcard on SD for months until the feud with Vince for the next year's WM while doing many jobs along the way.</p><p> </p><p> The only relevant match I remember him having was the rematch against Rock at No Way Out to build the feud with Vince</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delv213 Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I've personally have always thought Hogan had it in his contract to get a title reign because once Taker beat him for the strap right after he won it (like a month after), Hogan went straight to the midcard on SD for months until the feud with Vince for the next year's WM while doing many jobs along the way.<p> </p><p> The only relevant match I remember him having was the rematch against Rock at No Way Out to build the feud with Vince</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I wouldn't be surprised if Hogan had that in his contract. That was probably Hulk's counter to Vince not giving him creative control. Which would later lead to Hulk jobbing to Angle and getting destroyed by Lesnar before taking time off and signing a entirely new contract in 2003.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delv213 Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Dirtsheets" data-cite="Dirtsheets" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Rey Mysterio's contract is the next major deal to expire in WWE. His deal is reportedly up in approximately two months. While he is one of the talents in the company with one of the largest downside guarantees, he is also one of the top merchandise movers currently in WWE.<p> </p><p> Mysterio's contract is an interesting situation, as WWE officials would usually start aggressively attempting to re-sign a talent in his situation by this point, however that is apparently not the case.</p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Anyone else think with AAA expanding in the United States soon and Konnan booking it that Rey Mysterio might jump ship? </p><p> </p><p> Also unrelated to it, anyone else think Jarrett's/Toby Keith's promotion signs CM Punk and AJ Styles when they inevitably launch later this year? Wrestling might finally go through a small boom period if Jarrett's promotion makes a good first impression. God knows wrestlers need another place to go besides TNA.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="delv213" data-cite="delv213" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Anyone else think with AAA expanding in the United States soon and Konnan booking it that Rey Mysterio might jump ship? <p> </p><p> Also unrelated to it, anyone else think Jarrett's/Toby Keith's promotion signs CM Punk and AJ Styles when they inevitably launch later this year? Wrestling might finally go through a small boom period if Jarrett's promotion makes a good first impression. God knows wrestlers need another place to go besides TNA.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I almost want Rey to go work with AAA. If they're serious about expanding into the United States, then they need a recognizable name. No one on their current roster is remotely relevant in the United States. It's unfortunate, because they have a lot of talent. </p><p> </p><p> On the Jarrett/Toby promotion blip, I can see AJ signing, but I think Punk would be a hard sell. I'd like him to sign with Jarrett, but I've been a fan of his for years, so I'm a little biased. Hopefully, he chooses someone other than Russo as the writer this time. Whose even available? Maybe Jeremy Borash jumps ship? </p><p> </p><p> Jarrett is predicting a boom in business as well. It'd be nice it actually happens, we're due for one.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delv213 Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div> Jarrett is predicting a boom in business as well. It'd be nice it actually happens, we're due for one.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The WWE is expected to make a considerable amount of cash with their new television rights deal and considering they made the USA network "the #1 cable network on television for the last 8 years". I think that a lot of networks might have interest back in wrestling. I could see whoever doesn't land the WWE deal getting a television deal with Jarrett's/Toby Keith's promotion. Wrestling fans rejoice for proper competition!</p><p> </p><p> <a href="http://www.cablefax.com/cfp/just_in/USA-Again-Another-Yearly-Ratings-Win-As-Eyes-Turn-to-WWE_61578.html" rel="external nofollow">http://www.cablefax.com/cfp/just_in/USA-Again-Another-Yearly-Ratings-Win-As-Eyes-Turn-to-WWE_61578.html</a></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I almost want Rey to go work with AAA. If they're serious about expanding into the United States, then they need a recognizable name. No one on their current roster is remotely relevant in the United States. It's unfortunate, because they have a lot of talent. <p> </p><p> On the Jarrett/Toby promotion blip, I can see AJ signing, but I think Punk would be a hard sell. I'd like him to sign with Jarrett, but I've been a fan of his for years, so I'm a little biased. Hopefully, he chooses someone other than Russo as the writer this time. Whose even available? Maybe Jeremy Borash jumps ship? </p><p> </p><p> Jarrett is predicting a boom in business as well. It'd be nice it actually happens, we're due for one.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I wouldn't be suprised to see Del Rio jump ship to AAA when his contract expires, if they promise to make him their top star (something he will never be in WWE).</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 <p>That would actually be a great pickup for AAA</p><p> </p><p> Del Rio ran his course years ago in WWE, but he still can be very useful</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="milamber" data-cite="milamber" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I wouldn't be suprised to see Del Rio jump ship to AAA when his contract expires, if they promise to make him their top star (something he will never be in WWE).</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>That would actually be a great pickup for AAA<p> </p><p> Del Rio ran his course years ago in WWE, but he still can be very useful</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah, but hopefully if Del Rio and Rey both go to AAA, it won't be Rey vs Del Rio five million times again.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullMETAL Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Watching Main Event last night, and the crowd was SUPER HOT for Hunicara/Matadores versus The SHIELD. Seriously, you should've heard them. Reigns got big pops, and eventually big boos like a good heel SHOULD. Phillips and Saxton pimped the Wyatt/Shield match at EC a little too much for my liking, but when they focused on the actual match, their commentary on the actual match in front of them was textbook as it should be; they're a good play-by-play pair, but they would benefit from one of them (probably Saxton) being a more "traditional" color analyst type in the vein of Matt Striker. Cameron versus Aksana (w/Alicia) was a bit (by "a bit", I really mean "a lot") more cooled down. Short and flash-finished, it was nothing special. Naomi's noticeable absence was probably a big hit to the potential crowd heat this match COULD HAVE had even as a cool-down match. All I know is, I wanna see more AJ actually defending her title more, even against the "anti-Divas" who aren't on Total Divas. The face-heel divide in the Divas division actually EXISTS and it's really felt when AJ defends the belt because she only seems to defend it lately against the Total Divas. Kofi versus Axel was how you'd expect Kofi versus Axel, until Mark Henry came out and the crowd popped HUGE for him! Great start to the show, middling finish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 WWE Chairman Vince McMahon was asked about the status of CM Punk during the WWE quarterly earnings call today with investors. Vince said, "He's on a sabbatical. Let me just put it that way." So basically, no new info. Thanks for the enlightenment Vinnie Mac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truly Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>WWE Chairman Vince McMahon was asked about the status of CM Punk during the WWE quarterly earnings call today with investors. Vince said, <strong>"He's on a sabbatical. Let me just put it that way."</strong><p> </p><p> So basically, no new info. Thanks for the enlightenment Vinnie Mac.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> <img alt="1897965_659302160774903_2146228680_n.jpg" data-src="https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1/1897965_659302160774903_2146228680_n.jpg" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> Surprised we even got that much from Vince's mouth at all to be honest. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> Wish we could get a glimpse inside the man's head, know what his views are on the situation.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Target Practice Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 <p>It's difficult to read into it too much without knowing the inflection on the words and whether or not that's a direct quote, but the words 'let's just put it that way' indicate to me at least that whatever it is presumably fairly significant.</p><p> </p><p> Think about it - when you say 'let's just put it that way', it usually means 'something's either very good or very bad, but for whatever reason I don't want to/can't go into specifics'. It's not really the kind of thing you say if something's mundane, it's implying a strong positive or negative reaction.</p><p> </p><p> Whether that means it's 'CM Punk was super pissed and wanted to quit but we've talked him round and he's going to return at Wrestlemania' or 'CM Punk doesn't look like coming back - we're not happy, but we don't want to burn that bridge just yet' is anyone's guess.</p><p> </p><p> But yeah, I guess this is just an elaborate way of saying 'we don't really know much more than we did this time last week'. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 <p><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">NXT Review:</span></strong></p><p> </p><p> <strong>The Ascension vs Jobbers</strong> - The tag division is a joke. Surely they can throw a couple of new guys together with a gimmick.</p><p> <strong>Summer vs Emma</strong> - Tensai marking for Emma and Bayley (Bubbles and Hugs) is awesome! The match was a bit sloppy but still entertaining.</p><p> <strong>Renee interviews Zayn & Cesaro</strong> - Strong segment. We need to see more of this smarmy, dominaring Cesaro on the main roster.</p><p> <strong>Neville vs Breeze</strong> - Good match. Bo came out after the match for his usual troll job. Neville got under his skin and almost goaded Dallas into losing his cool.</p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Verdict:</span></strong> An improvement on recent shows. The focus on building up to the PPV is starting to pay off. MVP: Adrian Neville who showed his more agressive side.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 <p>Series of 4 short videos about the WWE Performance Center.</p><p> </p><p> </p><div class="ipsEmbeddedVideo"><div><iframe width="200" height="113" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/1ReFfyCzqKk?list=PLeaOMj3fndBZqoqkxSZGdU3vgvJVLFOo0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen=""></iframe></div></div> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 <p><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Smackdown Review:</span></strong></p><p> </p><p> <strong>Bryan vs Swagger</strong> - Solid match. Bryan outsmarted Swagger to get the victory but not before Swagger targeted Bryan's injured shoulder for most of the match.</p><p> <strong>Bryan vs Cesaro</strong> - Good match. Cesaro copied Swagger's gameplan. Zeb and Swagger got their marching orders for trying to interfere. Cesaro dominated. When Bryan finally had Cesaro down Kane chokeslammed him and announced him as the winner by DQ with a smile.</p><p> <strong>Wyatt Family vs Rhodes Bros & Rey</strong> - Good match.</p><p> <strong>Summer & Emma</strong> - Dance-off hosted by Renee Young. It was kind of fun and some of the audience got into Emma's dance. There was a little brawl after with Emma ejecting Summer and Fandango from the ring.</p><p> <strong>Ziggler vs Titus</strong> - OK match. Ziggler got the win when Young distracted Titus.</p><p> <strong>Uso vs Road Dogg</strong> - OK match. Jimmy won.</p><p> <strong>Sheamus vs Christian</strong> - Good agressive brawl. It was an even match. Sheamus won with White Noise. Christian pushed him off the turnbuckle when he was celebrating to close the show.</p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Verdict:</span></strong> Another quality Smackdown. It should be renamed "The B+ Show." All the matches were scripted so both opponents looked strong. Also they didn't hold back even so close to the PPV.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delv213 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 <p>So anyone else catch WWE booking Batista like a badass babyface lately? I guess they realized that the fans don't accept him as a babyface like they did from 2005. I mean, the guy has his head shaved and tattoos all over his steroid abused body. He can't be John Cena 2.0. Booking him like a badass the last 2 weeks has been the best thing they've done in a long time because it's different, when was the last time a babyface was booked like a believable badass? Triple H doesn't count, although I'm 100% confident he's the reason for the change in Batista's bookings. People actually cheered Batista after he put Del Rio through the table last week and teased smashing him with the television monitor. The same people were also booing him when he came out mere minutes before that. Last week he pushed Del Rio into a metal shelving unit despite Del Rio clearly selling the prior weeks beatdown and posing no threat.</p><p> </p><p> I am a Batista fan obviously, have been since he got me back into wrestling back in 2005 after seeing this genetically superior athlete on my screen despite him being extremely limited in the ring. He screamed cool back then, especially to anyone under 13.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 <p>He's had like 10 minutes of screen time total.</p><p> </p><p> I'd rather not see him at all, but destroying ADR every time he shows up doesn't hurt.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truly Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="24Wrestling.com" data-cite="24Wrestling.com" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div> At Thursday’s WWE investor conference call, Vince McMahon made his first public comments about CM Punk’s status with the company, noting that Punk is on sabbatical.<p> </p><p> According to sources in WWE, the general feeling backstage that Vince McMahon will eventually be able to talk CM Punk into returning.</p><p> </p><p> While it’s unlikely that Punk will be back on television by the March 3rd episode of WWE RAW from Chicago, it’s very possible that Punk will attend the show and meet with Vince.</p><p> </p><p> - Rener Gracie posted the following photo on Instagram of himself and CM Punk hanging out after last night’s UFC 170 pay-per-view from Las Vegas:</p><p> </p><p> <span>http://distilleryimage7.ak.instagram.com/3408cb289c5811e38a3712f5df62fd43_8.jpg</span></p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> Ahhh, that smile is great to see. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> The ball is obviously in his court, Phil will let Vince know when the Second City Saint is ready to return or not and I think McMahon actually respects that despite how close WM is. J.R noted how Punk contrasted with the docile and non-competitive current-day WWE locker room and how he would have fit in perfectly with guys during the late '90s and early '00s with their driven and bold attitudes. McMahon and Punk haven’t always got on. Even last year Punk and Vince had a clash over the way the Taker feud was handled. Yet Vince has always liked this passion; much like Shawn Michaels and Steve Austin would just directly speak to Vince and make demands, Punk is much the same, and Vince respects that. Only Punk and Cena really have this relationship with Vince and ability to talk to him on a level. It's common knowledge now that when Punk first came in he wasn’t much liked at all, but from pretty early on he built up a relationship with Vince where he wasn’t fazed to speak to the boss and be honest. While at first this may have caused friction, in the long run it has opened up a level of communication and ease that has served Punk well. In 2013 CM Punk and Vince McMahon were on the same wave length, atleast for the most part, and this hopefully means an inevitable and exciting WM30 CM Punk return.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mammoth Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Got to admit, never been that impressed with Big E, I always thought he was a bit clumsy but he's been gradually getting better and tonight, he really impressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaMegaFish Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 <p>One of my biggest problems with the impending break up of The Shield would be what they will wear for gear after the split.</p><p> </p><p> Please don't just have them all go back to their trunks, so boring. Honestly, a big part of their excitement its different, looks cool (in my opinion) and really makes them stand out.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russelrules44 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Oh god, Guess what the audience just came up with..........Bootista, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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