TakerNGN74 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I want them to bring back the youtube series "Are You Serious?". Josh obviously can't do it again, but they could get someone else to do it with Road Dogg. <p> </p><p> <strong>Oh, and bring back Puppet H!</strong></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yes, they NEED to make this happen!</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHK1978 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 No WWE, I do not want to sign-up for your network. So quit sending me emails on a nearly daily basis. I can't help it if you are not hitting your projected numbers and the network is a flop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 <p>From Cageside:</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> Here's a good one for you, from notorious rumor mongor MetsFan4Ever on Reddit: A lot of people within WWE were unhappy with the TLC show and how it was received and there was apparently some word going around that some wrestlers were staging a silent protest in favor of Triple H taking over the main roster and running it like he does NXT. What's more, MetsFan4Ever claimed John Cena held a talent meeting in an attempt to rally the troops, so to speak, and explain that a silent protest is not a good idea but rather working hard and being better is the best way to go. Take that for what you will.</p><p> </p></div></blockquote> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrows Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 <p>Yeah, friend of mine told me about this meeting. We both had a good laugh at the fact that it was Cena who decided to hold this meeting.</p><p> </p><p> Don't protest the way things are now! (Or I won't be the top guy and making more money than all of you anymore.)</p><p> </p><p> Go out there and work hard instead! (So when you start to get over, I can bury you, like I have everyone else before you, despite the fact that I've put in less work in the ring than 90% of you.)</p><p> </p><p> Yeah. The roster are going to take that meeting so serious.<img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RKOwnage Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="djthefunkchris" data-cite="djthefunkchris" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'll take this question, I believe I can give you an answer that makes sense.<p> </p><p> Big Show means absolutely nothing to internet wrestling fans, such as us here. For that matter, most people that been on the roster close to a decade or more are in that same boat (that is until they are fired, in which we go "WHY?).</p><p> </p><p> However, for the non internet watchers/forum readers, dirt sheet readers, he is still a big deal, still a giant, still shows fire at times, and still looks powerful enough to fight half a dozen men at once. Defeating him means something, and even we realize that he has been a sort of gate keeper for a very long time. </p><p> </p><p> For me, it's starting to become hard to see these things, but recently I was able to put my finger on it. The reason a Big Show loss doesn't mean much to me is because I watch so much of this stuff, that him losing seems to happen all the time. Something that happened a few months ago, or longer just doesn't feel that long ago to me and so I remember it as if it's still happening. Same with Mark Henry, Kane, Orton, etc. They go back and forth so much, sometimes in the same year, that I get used to it and when it changes up I have a hard time un-connecting from when they were doing the job on a relatively regular level. Ryback is kind of that way for me right now. Hard for me to see him as he is being portrayed now, when I feel he has lost more then most every one on the card in the last year or so.</p><p> </p><p> My son and I always try to guess when Big Show is going to cry, for example... we have seen him do it so much it is never going to be the heart felt moment that it's trying to convey to us, because we now find it hilarious. He is pretty good at showing emotions and getting a viewer invested, and that is something that half the rest of the roster (including the ones we root for) has been unable to do. So IMO Big Show is a huge asset to the company in many ways, even if for me personally, he is somewhat of a joke.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That's a fair assessment. But like, what about Kane? Do people <em>really</em> think he's a monster even though I can't remember the last time he won a match other than last night? Was it the last time Team Hell No won a match? >_></p><p> </p><p> Also, that talent meeting thing is the most Cena thing to ever happen <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthefunkchris Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="RKOwnage" data-cite="RKOwnage" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>That's a fair assessment. But like, what about Kane? Do people <em>really</em> think he's a monster even though I can't remember the last time he won a match other than last night? Was it the last time Team Hell No won a match? >_><p> </p><p> Also, that talent meeting thing is the most Cena thing to ever happen <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Kane as well, for sure. The problem is as has been brought up "bad booking decisions". Kane "should" still feel like a threat and yes, to most people he still is a win that if clean, can mean something. Same for Mark Henry or any other "gatekeeper" types.</p><p> </p><p> I don't know what Cena is thinking, so I can't comment on what he said. It's so easy to turn things into something that it's not these days... I find it hard to believe that is all that he said in a "meeting" he called. So you can take any portion of a meeting, and use it to make your own point. I know I've sat through some meetings where people have done just that, although what was actually said had a total different meaning if you payed attention to the whole thing.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaMegaFish Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Arrows" data-cite="Arrows" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yeah, friend of mine told me about this meeting. We both had a good laugh at the fact that it was Cena who decided to hold this meeting.<p> </p><p> Don't protest the way things are now! (Or I won't be the top guy and making more money than all of you anymore.)</p><p> </p><p> Go out there and work hard instead! (So when you start to get over, I can bury you, like I have everyone else before you, despite the fact that I've put in less work in the ring than 90% of you.)</p><p> </p><p> Yeah. The roster are going to take that meeting so serious.<img alt=":rolleyes:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Wow, you're a bit salty aren't you? Goodness, calm down. Cena doesn't bury everybody (Daniel Bryan?), and he is a better ring worker than most people ever want to give him credit for. My biggest annoyance with watching Cena wrestle is hearing him call his spots, other than that, he is more than good enough to be in his spot.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrows Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Wow, you're a bit salty aren't you? Goodness, calm down. Cena doesn't bury everybody (Daniel Bryan?), and he is a better ring worker than most people ever want to give him credit for. My biggest annoyance with watching Cena wrestle is hearing him call his spots, other than that, he is more than good enough to be in his spot. I'm not salty at all. You named one guy he's put over. Wanna go the other way? The list is far longer. That list, is still there, and would've been sitting in that room for that meeting, rolling their eyes. As far as Cena's ring work? The guy's better than most want to give him credit for, I agree. Cena phoned in TLC just as much as everyone else did. He got to work with ROLLINS and they fell flat. If they were both trying, that's a good match that I'd enjoy watching. I can't imagine those guys taking him serious given everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthefunkchris Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 I'm not salty at all. You named one guy he's put over. Wanna go the other way? The list is far longer. That list, is still there, and would've been sitting in that room for that meeting, rolling their eyes. As far as Cena's ring work? The guy's better than most want to give him credit for, I agree. Cena phoned in TLC just as much as everyone else did. He got to work with ROLLINS and they fell flat. If they were both trying, that's a good match that I'd enjoy watching. I can't imagine those guys taking him serious given everything. Can't help but to agree here. We have seen Cena do much better with much less to work with. Here you have a guy like Seth Rollins that could probably work a match with Cena to compare with a Cena/Punk match, and it did feel "phoned in" as you put it. I know this is more or less a throw away PPV for the most part, but it's still supposed to be a PPV none the less, I expected more. Cudos to Ambross, Wyatt, Ziggler and Luke Harper for actually making those parts of the show worthwhile for me. You know, I have the Cena match as the third best on the card, which isn't saying much for the rest of them. As far as you saying they were rolling their eyes, I can't help but to think there is more there then your willing to admit as far as that leaked meeting went. I get that your saying Cena just wants everyone to pretend like everything is ok and just put in more effort so that he can use their hard work to put himself over. I just don't really think that was the reasoning behind his meeting. I painted a different picture when I read it, which was that being silent isn't going to change anything. IF they want change, they need to step up and put in more effort themselves for the change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mammoth Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 I'm not salty at all. You named one guy he's put over. Wanna go the other way? The list is far longer. That list, is still there, and would've been sitting in that room for that meeting, rolling their eyes. As far as Cena's ring work? The guy's better than most want to give him credit for, I agree. Cena phoned in TLC just as much as everyone else did. He got to work with ROLLINS and they fell flat. If they were both trying, that's a good match that I'd enjoy watching. I can't imagine those guys taking him serious given everything. There's always been that one guy though. Cena has put over pretty much every one on the roster at some point or another, not just Daniel Bryan. Granted, he usually comes out on top at the end of the programme after weeks/months of back and forth, but as I say, that's because he's the "guy". You almost always need that one person who you can always fall back on and rely on more than any other. Nobody on this board can claim to know John Cena as far as I'm aware so trying to second guess his character is foolhardy. Personally, I think he comes across as a pretty decent guy as he has a lot more positive things said about him by his colleagues than negative (unless they've left WWE in acrimonious circumstances where they're usually a little butt-hurt,) he's always been good to the fans of WWE (not just his fans, he even acknowledges the haters) and his work for charity is second to none. Who knows what was said in that meeting, if that meeting even occurred? Maybe as a locker room leader (which he undoubtedly is) who has seen it all in his time, he wasn't preaching to them or trying to intervene, he was just warning them. As it's been proven time and time again, you don't cross Vince McMahon so protesting (whether it's just a silent protest or otherwise) probably isn't the best idea. Especially as I imagine a lot of the protests will be from the younger guys on the roster who Vince could get rid of with a click of his fingers. When you think of it like that, "working hard" and "getting on with it" is the only way to go. As it's always been in wrestling, your trajectory is chosen by those in the office so once they've told you what they want from you, the best thing to do is to always make the most of what they give you and make it the best it can be, whether it's crappy or otherwise. I don't know, I just don't understand why Cena is always tarred with this negative brush like he's only out for personal gain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrows Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 As far as you saying they were rolling their eyes, I can't help but to think there is more there then your willing to admit as far as that leaked meeting went. I get that your saying Cena just wants everyone to pretend like everything is ok and just put in more effort so that he can use their hard work to put himself over. I just don't really think that was the reasoning behind his meeting. I painted a different picture when I read it, which was that being silent isn't going to change anything. IF they want change, they need to step up and put in more effort themselves for the change. Nobody on this board can claim to know John Cena as far as I'm aware so trying to second guess his character is foolhardy. Personally, I think he comes across as a pretty decent guy as he has a lot more positive things said about him by his colleagues than negative (unless they've left WWE in acrimonious circumstances where they're usually a little butt-hurt,) he's always been good to the fans of WWE (not just his fans, he even acknowledges the haters) and his work for charity is second to none. Who knows what was said in that meeting, if that meeting even occurred? Maybe as a locker room leader (which he undoubtedly is) who has seen it all in his time, he wasn't preaching to them or trying to intervene, he was just warning them. As it's been proven time and time again, you don't cross Vince McMahon so protesting (whether it's just a silent protest or otherwise) probably isn't the best idea. Especially as I imagine a lot of the protests will be from the younger guys on the roster who Vince could get rid of with a click of his fingers. When you think of it like that, "working hard" and "getting on with it" is the only way to go. As it's always been in wrestling, your trajectory is chosen by those in the office so once they've told you what they want from you, the best thing to do is to always make the most of what they give you and make it the best it can be, whether it's crappy or otherwise. I don't know, I just don't understand why Cena is always tarred with this negative brush like he's only out for personal gain. I don't think Cena held the meeting for his own good. I don't doubt at all that he had good intentions coming into it, and was just trying to be a locker room leader and get the guys back on some kind of track. John Cena was just not the right guy to be doing it. He's the poster boy for everything these guys are getting sick of, be that by his choice at this point for not wanting to put people over, or creatives for not letting him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moe Hunter Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BHK1978" data-cite="BHK1978" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>No WWE, I do not want to sign-up for your network. So quit sending me emails on a nearly daily basis. I can't help it if you are not hitting your projected numbers and the network is a flop.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Man, if only they had a "unsubscribe" button on those emails!</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaMegaFish Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Arrows" data-cite="Arrows" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I don't think Cena held the meeting for his own good. I don't doubt at all that he had good intentions coming into it, and was just trying to be a locker room leader and get the guys back on some kind of track.<p> </p><p> John Cena was just not the right guy to be doing it. <strong>He's the poster boy for everything these guys are getting sick of, be that by his choice at this point for not wanting to put people over, or creatives for not letting him.</strong></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'm sorry, this is where you just lose me each time. Explain to me where you get your expert knowledge of WWE's backstage happenings and I'll have an easier time taking what you say.</p><p> </p><p> I'm sorry, I get really frustrated reading some comments sometimes. Sure, I like to read rumors as well, but I don't take them as fact until there is some kind of proof it happened, or until the people involved speak about it publicly. For all we know this is a meeting that may have never even happened but was made up to get some extra clicks on websites.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthefunkchris Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Arrows" data-cite="Arrows" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I don't think Cena held the meeting for his own good. I don't doubt at all that he had good intentions coming into it, and was just trying to be a locker room leader and get the guys back on some kind of track.<p> </p><p> <strong>John Cena was just not the right guy to be doing it. He's the poster boy for everything these guys are getting sick of, be that by his choice at this point for not wanting to put people over, or creatives for not letting him</strong>.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> To elaborate on Mammoth's point here just a tad. Your coming from a perspective that is not shared by the locker room. Just about everyone that talks about Cena that is on the roster, it's obvious that they think highly of him, and not as the "poster boy" for everything that is wrong with the company. Sure, there are lots of people, mainly internet driven, that think in this capacity, but I've heard everyone from Kane, to Bryan, to even CM Punk shed a totally different light on him.</p><p> </p><p> To you and others, he might be the wrong choice, but to the actual locker room, he's kind of the ONLY guy that can, by their own statements. </p><p> </p><p> You know what I find to be kind of weird, is that almost every wrestler that has tons of respect from the same community that condemns Cena, has the total opposite opinion of Cena, to include the current roster.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 <p>I'll take what I read about Cena's meeting at face value. He thinks hard work will make the shows better. But that's only the talent side of the equation. The backstage side (Creative, Vince, Dunn etc.) also need to pull their finger out and step up their game.</p><p> </p><p> As for Raw. It was like an extra long episode of Smackdown. Tyson Kidd was entertaining for a brief moment checking if Nikki was OK. New Day's preacher voices are annoying. No subtlety with that gimmick. Rowan was sacrificed for Big Show again so he can put over Reigns at the Rumble. Now if Harper in feuds with Rowan, it means nothing if Rowan puts over Harper. I'm dreading Reigns winning the Rumble. He needs to be slowly built up. And he should get a refund for his acting lessons.</p><p> </p><p> Even their ace card Brock Lesnar couldn't save it for me. Each time he destroys Cena with German Suplexes and F5s it becomes a little less interesting. Jericho was made to look like a try-hard, vindictive a-hole in his segments with Heyman and Lana & Rusev. The material they gave him was awful but at least he looked like he was happy to be there. And Brock no-selling the code-breaker was the best part of the show. I don't understand that booking. Was Brock supposed to be the hero babyface saving his manager from the heelish douchebag?</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthefunkchris Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="milamber" data-cite="milamber" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'll take what I read about Cena's meeting at face value. He thinks hard work will make the shows better. But that's only the talent side of the equation. The backstage side (Creative, Vince, Dunn etc.) also need to pull their finger out and step up their game.<p> </p><p> As for Raw. It was like an extra long episode of Smackdown. Tyson Kidd was entertaining for a brief moment checking if Nikki was OK. New Day's preacher voices are annoying. No subtlety with that gimmick. Rowan was sacrificed for Big Show again so he can put over Reigns at the Rumble. Now if Harper in feuds with Rowan, it means nothing if Rowan puts over Harper. I'm dreading Reigns winning the Rumble. He needs to be slowly built up. And he should get a refund for his acting lessons.</p><p> </p><p> Even their ace card Brock Lesnar couldn't save it for me. Each time he destroys Cena with German Suplexes and F5s it becomes a little less interesting. Jericho was made to look like a try-hard, vindictive a-hole in his segments with Heyman and Lana & Rusev. The material they gave him was awful but at least he looked like he was happy to be there. And Brock no-selling the code-breaker was the best part of the show. I don't understand that booking. Was Brock supposed to be the hero babyface saving his manager from the heelish douchebag?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I swear people are not watching the same show I am sometimes. Where or where do (not just you) people get this idea that Heyman and Brock are the "good guys" or that... who was it, Rusov is the "good guy", etc.</p><p> </p><p> I don't exactly know how it can go missed, but I guess I'll explain what everyone in the arena seems to understand quite easily.</p><p> </p><p> Heyman always plays the douche, and Jericho is in his Y2J gimmick, and doing it pretty much how he has always done his face Y2J gimmick. The crowd obviously gets that him fighting Heyman puts another stress on Seth Rollins, as the hint of him being, or wanting to be a Heyman guy hasn't been a hard hint to follow. Jericho fighting Heyman was Jericho's way to use what Rollins said against him. </p><p> </p><p> The only thing that made me mad is because it was obvious to me that Heyman would be able to win because of the match stipulations to vote on. All of them allowed Lesnar to come out and destroy Jericho. Kind of new it was time for him to appear so yeah, easy prediction there.</p><p> </p><p> Rusov and Lana come out week after week putting down American's, specifically the United States, and generically anyone NOT Russian. Now they have the United States belt to make it even worse. Most people don't go around putting down Russians, so this is supposed to be a slap in the face, a concept that the crowd obviously gets. This is the sole reason he is a bad guy. At this point, all everyone wants is for Rusov to lose.... even if someone cheats to do it.</p><p> </p><p> For people to post things like "Remind me why he is a bad guy again?" is seriously bonkers, and completely ignoring the story lines that are actually working.</p><p> </p><p> IF the WWE can get a guy that never cheats, always wins legitimately, yet the whole crowd boos him... and that's how they want it, well, they are doing something really good.</p><p> </p><p> Kudos to Lana for Rusov, and kudos to Heyman for Brock.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Swanton825 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="djthefunkchris" data-cite="djthefunkchris" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>For people to post things like "Remind me why he is a bad guy again?" is seriously bonkers, and completely ignoring the story lines that are actually working.<p> </p><p> IF the WWE can get a guy that never cheats, always wins legitimately, yet the whole crowd boos him... and that's how they want it, well, they are doing something really good.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> No, it just means that Americans are the same xenophobic shitheads that they've been all my life, it reminds me why I'm ashamed to be American, and it proves Vince's belief that the fans are idiots who will buy into anything he does.</p><p> </p><p> EDIT: BTW, it's Rusev, with an E.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FINisher Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 <p>btw NXT: R Evolution PPV was really, really good. Funny how their development territory produces better matches than their main roster <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> It was also cool to see moves like Tornado DDT and reverse Hurricanrana among others.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 <p>Even the Cageside reviewer refused to do a full review of Raw it was so bad. Although he did praise Lesnar's return and that was only because Jericho was unbearable and deserved to be F5'd by Lesnar. Seriously, Jericho was one photoshop gag away from equalling Cena at his worst. Only Rock can get away with pulling that crap (like his segment with Rusev & Lana a while back).</p><p> </p><p> It also landed the lowest viewership all year:</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>All three hours averaged 3.52 million viewers, which beats the previous low of 3.60 million on Memorial Day. The hourly breakdown is even uglier:<p> </p><p> Hour one: 3.70 million</p><p> Hour two: 3.47 million</p><p> Hour three: 3.38 million</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> But don't worry, Hogan will save the ratings next week <img alt=";)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickymex Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 <p>I just want my babyfaces to be more Sami Zayn and less Cena. I want them to have the moral high ground not be douchebags who try to prove how tough they are by fighting f-ing Paul Heyman. If Jericho wanted to get to Rollins then he could wrestle Noble and Mercury. It was the same bs with Cena saying "I'm not gonna be evil because of the children. So instead I'm going to kidnap and later beat up this fat 49 year old man if I don't get what I want!"</p><p> </p><p> Moving to Rusev he has talked shit about America and Americans yet has fought and defeated everyone cleanly. His last two feuds were with Mark Henry and Big Show who said they represented America, lost cleanly to Rusev and then turned heel. Not to mention Rusev was the one getting jumped by both babyface Henry and Show. </p><p> </p><p> Rusev is one of the few characters who has been consistent in who he is. He's the Russian Super Athlete who proves he's a wrestling machine week after week. He doesn't force people to pledge allegiance to Russia or call women streetwalkers (Jericho) and then calls for backup like a coward.</p><p> </p><p> Rusev entire character is centered on being a badass Russian and Anti-American. I'm not xenophobic enough to hate someone just because they dislike my country. I need reasons. Real reasons. Being Russian is not one of them.</p><p> </p><p> EDIT: Forgot to add this but "unwashed cab driver"...Racism is a heel trait. I'm pretty sure the guy being called racist terms is always the face no matter the situation.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickymex Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="milamber" data-cite="milamber" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Even the Cageside reviewer refused to do a full review of Raw it was so bad. Although he did praise Lesnar's return and that was only because Jericho was unbearable and deserved to be F5'd by Lesnar. Seriously, Jericho was one photoshop gag away from equalling Cena at his worst. <strong>Only Rock can get away with pulling that crap (like his segment with Rusev & Lana a while back).</strong></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I would say it's 50/50 with The Rock. Sometimes he goes too far in trying to be funny than actually being funny.</p><p> </p><p> #KungPowBitch#CookiePuss#GAYJOKESAREHILARIOUS</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Final Countdown Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I just want my babyfaces to be more Sami Zayn and less Cena.</div></blockquote><p> Absolutely this.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packerman120 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 I actually got a good laugh out of that Jericho segment. Also, didn't one of you totally call Jericho calling Lana a tramp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHK1978 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Moe Hunter" data-cite="Moe Hunter" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Man, if only they had a "unsubscribe" button on those emails!</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Figures someone would take a joke rant literally.<img alt=":rolleyes:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> I watched the Paul Heyman DVD tonight and it was pretty good. I did not realize just how young he was when he was in ECW. There was some interesting stuff about ECW in there, so of it I had never heard before or at least I might have heard about it back then and forgot it.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthefunkchris Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The Swanton825" data-cite="The Swanton825" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>No, it just means that Americans are the same xenophobic shitheads that they've been all my life, it reminds me why I'm ashamed to be American, and it proves Vince's belief that the fans are idiots who will buy into anything he does.<p> </p><p> EDIT: BTW, it's Rusev, with an E.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Thank you, I was typing his name and each time looked at it twice thinking I was spelling it wrong.</p><p> </p><p> If your serious, I don't know quite what to say as that is exactly how almost every heel gets heat. "I can't believe I'm in this crappy town of Chicago. Everyone here is so lazy!" etc.</p><p> </p><p> Edit: Just for the record, it's Lana and Rusev that are being xenophobic, and why they get so much heat.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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