bigtplaystew Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Anyone check out the "Fall of WCW" episode of Monday Night War? Hogan dropped a little bombshell when he said he'd never cashed in his "creative control" clause until the infamous Bash at the Beach incident with Jarrett. Puts an interesting little spin on the notion that he single handedly helped create then destroy the Nitro juggernaut. A notion that the "Monday Night War" has helped perpetuate as they show several talents, specifically Nash (who from what I've read was a lot more liberal with his creative control clause), outright blaming Hogan specifically. Weird little tale they're trying to tell. On one hand they're making it clear that a variety of factors led to WCW's demise. On the other hand it seems like they pick a new scapegoat each episode. This particular episode took it's time to bash Russo pretty hard. With previous episodes, you might see WCW doing something bad on TV but you'll see what WWE countered with that night. And you'll see why the ratings were slipping because WWE/F simply had a better TV show for a period of time there. As WCW simply had a better show for the time before that. But in this episode it's like they almost went out of their way to bash Russo, and not highlight the good things WWE/F was doing at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 New Announce teams: Raw- Cole, JBL & Booker T Smackdown - Cole, Lawler & Saxton PPV - Cole, JBL & Lawler It's a step in the right direction but they still need to replace Lawler with Phillips and tone down JBL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackman Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Great news everybody: new announce teams have been err... announced. Rejoice. Ow wait... it actually got worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mammoth Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 New Announce teams: Raw- Cole, JBL & Booker T Smackdown - Cole, Lawler & Saxton PPV - Cole, JBL & Lawler It's a step in the right direction but they still need to replace Lawler with Phillips and tone down JBL. Out of all the commentators they've got on their "B Shows" and NXT, they choose to call up Byron Saxton? There are a couple I would have preferred who have all been doing good jobs on their respective shows (particularly the guys on NXT) but the pick of the lot would have had to have been Renee Young; she's young, fresh and hot as hell. Plus, I wouldn't say reinstating Booker T is "a step in the right direction", I'd say it was a step backwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 I like Booker T as a wrestler, but he's terrible on commentary. I simply don't get what he's saying half of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 I like Booker T as a wrestler, but he's terrible on commentary. I simply don't get what he's saying half of the time. I know he's funny but he's like inside baseball funny. I'm sure there's guys in headphones cracking up but I'm scratching my head at half the crap that comes out of his mouth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickymex Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Out of all the commentators they've got on their "B Shows" and NXT, they choose to call up Byron Saxton? There are a couple I would have preferred who have all been doing good jobs on their respective shows (particularly the guys on NXT) but the pick of the lot would have had to have been Renee Young; she's young, fresh and hot as hell. Plus, I wouldn't say reinstating Booker T is "a step in the right direction", I'd say it was a step backwards. Renee is very hit or miss imo. Putting her with Lawler or JBL would probably be the same as putting her with Alex Riley in that it just becomes BAD mild flirting and gossiping with her being a big part of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 The weird part about Booker is that when he did his Black Snow commentator thing as a joke in TNA, he was actually really good at it. I just always found it odd that when he was doing it as a joke, he was good at it, but when he's doing it for a career, it's bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickymex Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 The weird part about Booker is that when he did his Black Snow commentator thing as a joke in TNA, he was actually really good at it. I just always found it odd that when he was doing it as a joke, he was good at it, but when he's doing it for a career, it's bad. Well he was with Kevin Nash and Nash+comedy=greatness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 I actually listed Nash and Booker as one of my favorite announce teams on another forum and got damn near castrated for it. I honestly wish they had done it for a longer period of time. It was fantastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderz Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Joey Styles commentating on stop-motion action figure matches on YouTube has been the best commentary I've heard in a while. On a similar note JR and Striker have got potential of they actually spend time working together. They came across well on WK9 and I think with a bit more time together and with the product they could be really really good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Ideally Booker would be on Smackdown only working with the newer announcers but there's no one else Vince is going to trust on the main shows. I'd take Booker (despite his annoying voice) over Jerry any day. He's better at calling the action and his jokes are less lame. JBL has gotten worse as a heel and that won't change until Vince stops micro-managing everything. Renee isn't good enough for anything but NXT and Main Event and they need her backstage interviewing on the main shows until Eden has more experience. I wouldn't be suprised if Phillips, Albert, Brennan and Graves get put into rotation later in the year starting with Main Event and Smackdown. Striker and JR blew me away on WK9. I had no prior experience watching Japanese wrestling and they gave me all the info I needed to understand the wrestlers and the feuds and the rest of the time they called the action instead of getting sidetracked. Not having a heel announcer was refreshing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Striker and JR blew me away on WK9. I had no prior experience watching Japanese wrestling and they gave me all the info I needed to understand the wrestlers and the feuds and the rest of the time they called the action instead of getting sidetracked. Not having a heel announcer was refreshing. Yea I know from JRs blog he caught some crap from hardcore American NJPW fans who felt he dumbed it down too much. I thought they did a great job too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayelek Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 New Announce teams: Raw- Cole, JBL & Booker T Smackdown - Cole, Lawler & Saxton PPV - Cole, JBL & Lawler It's a step in the right direction but they still need to replace Lawler with Phillips and tone down JBL. Did they just eliminate Phillips? Or is he going back to NXT? Also, Booker T is too difficult to understand to be on the desk consistently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 According to Wikipedia Cole, JBL & Booker are replacing Phillips & Renee on Main Event and Phillips & Renee are doing Superstars. Not sure why Cole is doing 3 shows and PPVs. Phillips should be doing Main Event. Saxton is clearly being promoted to Smackdown because he's a heel announcer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackman Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Booker should just be on the PPV panel imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iruleall15 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Joey Styles commentating on stop-motion action figure matches on YouTube has been the best commentary I've heard in a while. On a similar note JR and Striker have got potential of they actually spend time working together. They came across well on WK9 and I think with a bit more time together and with the product they could be really really good. Funny. Striker and JR were a combo I have wanted for years. That's a great combo I bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iruleall15 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 An I the only one who misses Del Rio? Sure he's an egotistical ass who plays the race card. But his theme and just swagger makes me want him back. His in ring was awesome and his may he's with Ziggler always good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickymex Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 An I the only one who misses Del Rio? Sure he's an egotistical ass who plays the race card. But his theme and just swagger makes me want him back. His in ring was awesome and his may he's with Ziggler always good. How did Del Rio play the race card? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 How did Del Rio play the race card? When he got fired for slapping the backstage worker, he said the worker he slapped made a racist joke. He also says Mexicans are held down yadda yadda yadda. Truthfully, it's not just Mexicans. Most nonwhites are rarely pushed to the upper echelon. I'm not defending the idea or anything, but to say it's just Mexicans in WWE that aren't pushed is just silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickymex Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 When he got fired for slapping the backstage worker, he said the worker he slapped made a racist joke. He also says Mexicans are held down yadda yadda yadda. Truthfully, it's not just Mexicans. Most nonwhites are rarely pushed to the upper echelon. I'm not defending the idea or anything, but to say it's just Mexicans in WWE that aren't pushed is just silly. Playing the race card to me is "They don't push me because I'm (insert race)!" when it isn't true but personally I believe it is true from how WWE has always been. Del Rio can only talk about his experience and what he has experience first hand. If he tried to stand up for black wrestlers he would need a black wrestler to speak out as well otherwise if just makes it seem he's trying to speak for others. Slapping the guy I don't see as playing the race card. No one ever denied that he wasn't a racist and from the news that have come out about him that wasn't the first time he had said stuff like that. Del Rio shouldn't have slapped him but that isn't playing the race card. I'm pretty sure the comments aren't as clear as they are in my head but basically saying he's playing the race card implies he's pretending he's a victim as least that's how i see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iruleall15 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 When he got fired for slapping the backstage worker, he said the worker he slapped made a racist joke. He also says Mexicans are held down yadda yadda yadda. Truthfully, it's not just Mexicans. Most nonwhites are rarely pushed to the upper echelon. I'm not defending the idea or anything, but to say it's just Mexicans in WWE that aren't pushed is just silly. WWE is about making money. Whites are easier to make money off of. Look at merxh sales. Who's on top? While there's talented people of other races they don't sell better. Del Rio had the Mexicans. Wrestling is primarily a white audience. Have to cater to your fan base Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickymex Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 WWE is about making money. Whites are easier to make money off of. Look at merxh sales. Who's on top? While there's talented people of other races they don't sell better. Del Rio had the Mexicans. Wrestling is primarily a white audience. Have to cater to your fan base The people they push. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 WWE is about making money. Whites are easier to make money off of. Look at merxh sales. Who's on top? While there's talented people of other races they don't sell better. Del Rio had the Mexicans. Wrestling is primarily a white audience. Have to cater to your fan base The ignorance in this post is astounding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iruleall15 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 The ignorance in this post is astounding Or facts... Facts are facts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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