Mootinie Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 He's miscast but I even think he's a great promo. I've got no qualms about his delivery, he comes across as convincing even with shoddy material. It must be very difficult to do your job under his circumstances. I do often wonder where he would be now if he had the same consistent support that guys like CM Punk and Daniel Bryan got when they were ascended up the card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iruleall15 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 He's miscast but I even think he's a great promo. I've got no qualms about his delivery, he comes across as convincing even with shoddy material. It must be very difficult to do your job under his circumstances. I do often wonder where he would be now if he had the same consistent support that guys like CM Punk and Daniel Bryan got when they were ascended up the card. You sound like a reverse warhawk. A great promo? Lol dude you have to be trolling at this point. He isnt a great promo. He isnt even an average promo. He has terrible mic skills. His ring work isnt even good. Im assuming you are new to watching wrestling as a whole? Never seen Daniel Bryan or Cesaro wrestle? Thats a real wrestler. Also Bray Wyatt are what a great promo sounds like. Also Punk and Bryan had 0 support! They have to fight and earn everything because the crowd loved them. Because they earned everything they got. Reigns is being shoved down peoples throats like Cena was for the past 10 years and no one wants it. Reigns is being given the keys to a new ferrari for no reason. You are acting like he is being held back when its the exact opposite... He is being treated like a King when he isnt even blood related. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 You sound like a reverse warhawk. A great promo? Lol dude you have to be trolling at this point. He isnt a great promo. He isnt even an average promo. He has terrible mic skills. His ring work isnt even good. Im assuming you are new to watching wrestling as a whole? Never seen Daniel Bryan or Cesaro wrestle? Thats a real wrestler. Also Bray Wyatt are what a great promo sounds like. Also Punk and Bryan had 0 support! They have to fight and earn everything because the crowd loved them. Because they earned everything they got. Reigns is being shoved down peoples throats like Cena was for the past 10 years and no one wants it. Reigns is being given the keys to a new ferrari for no reason. You are acting like he is being held back when its the exact opposite... He is being treated like a King when he isnt even blood related. http://i.imgur.com/JvJeHSZ.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Bray Wyatt cutting the same promo for three years straight isn't a great promo. It shows an astounding lack of range Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilb0y Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="iruleall15" data-cite="iruleall15" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You sound like a reverse warhawk. A great promo? Lol dude you have to be trolling at this point. He isnt a great promo. He isnt even an average promo. He has terrible mic skills. <p> </p><p> His ring work isnt even good. Im assuming you are new to watching wrestling as a whole? Never seen Daniel Bryan or Cesaro wrestle? Thats a real wrestler. Also Bray Wyatt are what a great promo sounds like.</p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Patronising people wont make them listen to you. If you want your argument to be taken seriously, you need to argue like an adult.</p><p> </p><p> Personally, while I really don't care for Reigns, I think it'll be a good match as he and Triple H are both decent workers. Ambrose vs Lesnar should be great and I'm really hoping it will serve as a springboard for Ambrose into a sustained Main Event run. The IC Title match is typical of that scene: it'll be a good match but it's pretty obvious that no one in charge put very much thought into it. </p><p> </p><p> Other than that Takeover Dallas is just going to be awesome from top to bottom. Nakamura vs Zayn could be one of the best matches NXT has ever featured, so I can't wait!</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Roguey Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="iruleall15" data-cite="iruleall15" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> His ring work isnt even good. Im assuming you are new to watching wrestling as a whole? Never seen Daniel Bryan or Cesaro wrestle? Thats a real wrestler. Also Bray Wyatt are what a great promo sounds like.</p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Pretty amusing you're asking Mootinie of all people if he's new to watching wrestling. It's not like he's shown an amazing knowledge of NJPW over two diaries or anything. <img alt=":rolleyes:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png"></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleisch Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 <p>You want to hear my opinion on Reigns? Of course you don't, but this is the Internet so hush because I'm going to give it anyway... <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> <span style="text-decoration:underline;">Ring Style:</span> Roman Reigns is everything WWE want's their top worker to be when it comes to ring work. He is by no means an excellent wrestler, but he isn't as bad as people say he is either. I doubt he'll ever put on multiple 5 star matches, but he can beat the hell out of his opponent and is a believable bad ass... until the next part of my opinion...</p><p> </p><p> <span style="text-decoration:underline;">Promo Execution:</span> This is where Reigns falls on his face. He just has no Charisma, a monotone delivery that does nothing to hype or connect with the fans. There doesn't seem to be passion in his delivery. Anyone can shout into a microphone, but it is the ability to connect with the audience that willl make you an unforgettable superstar. This is why Daniel Bryan and CM Punk got the crowds behind them, because you could see their passion and desire. Roman Reigns does not work as a face.</p><p> </p><p> Is all the negativity Romans fault? Of course it isn't. The guy is employed to do a job, and he is doing what his bosses tell him to do. Unfortunately his employers have screwed the pooch by forcing him down everyones throats as a face because I think Roman Reigns could be one of the best bad ass heels we've seen in a long time. He has that intensity in his ring style that means he could just go out there and fight. Add a few more moves to his arsenal maybe and Pair him with a mouthpiece manager to do his talking.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mootinie Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 <p>I disagree about him having no charisma. I think he does have some but it's not this smiley babyface charisma. His Wholesome rating is a solid 0. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> I also think his delivery is good but each to their own I guess, I'm not going to argue that since it's all subjective. But I still maintain that he's put in a very difficult position and gives 100% each and every time. It's not like he goes out there with a microphone and just phones it in. He genuinely comes across as though as he hopes tonight is the night that the fans finally cut him some slack.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 <p>His confidence is visibly shot and it's even worse when literally everyone except for Vince knows his promos are scripted terribly. I don't think it was a coincidence that when he was actually champion in December/January he actually sounded confident and started to get favorable reactions.</p><p> </p><p> He's actually a very good public speaker and in interview settings, and had much better interviews in developmental, but as a heel.</p><p> </p><p> But really there's no sense in arguing about Roman Reigns. Some people will never forgive him for taking the perceived spot of Bryan or for being the obvious management favorite. Who can really blame them when WWE television for two decades now has outright said that management favorites are the bad guys.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickymex Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="MHero" data-cite="MHero" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Pretty amusing you're asking Mootinie of all people if he's new to watching wrestling. It's not like he's shown an amazing knowledge of NJPW over two diaries or anything. <img alt=":rolleyes:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I know iruleall15 is young but how young to you have to be to use "His ring work isnt even good. Im assuming you are new to watching wrestling as a whole? Never seen Daniel Bryan or Cesaro wrestle? Thats a real wrestler. Also Bray Wyatt are what a great promo sounds like." towards someone?</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitarzu Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 <p>I almost totally agree with Fleisch, except... </p><p> </p><p> 1) Reigns has the right charisma to play only as the strong silent type, a bad ass, either babyface or heel. He hasn't the right skills to be the speaking headliner of a global wrestling company, like John Cena has been in the last ten years, unless you consider WWE a family friendly oriented entertainment company and that's another story. </p><p> </p><p> 2) From the in ring perspective, he is still too spotty, but that could be also WWE fault the way he's booked. His Wrestlemania match could be good, because Triple H is a great ring general, but this issue could be more evident if his future opponents aren't good wrestlers.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilb0y Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 <p>It's very hard to argue that Reigns has <em>no</em> charisma, it's just not the kind that manifests when he has a mic in his face.</p><p> </p><p> He turns heads in his entrances because he's got such a presence, but it all falls apart when he speaks.</p><p> </p><p> Personally I wish they would stop trying to fit a square peg into a round hole and accept that he has some great qualities - which they should exploit - and some not so great ones - which they should hide, rather than acting like he can do no wrong.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazorbeak Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Kitarzu" data-cite="Kitarzu" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I almost totally agree with Fleisch, except... <p> </p><p> 1) Reigns has the right charisma to play only as the strong silent type, a bad ass, either babyface or heel. He hasn't the right skills to be the speaking headliner of a global wrestling company, like John Cena has been in the last ten years, unless you consider WWE a family friendly oriented entertainment company and that's another story. </p><p> </p><p> 2) From the in ring perspective, he is still too spotty, but that could be also WWE fault the way he's booked. His Wrestlemania match could be good, because Triple H is a great ring general, but this issue could be more evident if his future opponents aren't good wrestlers.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> To be fair, even John Cena has struggled to be the "JBL is poopy" babyface of a PG product. </p><p> </p><p> As far as ability, I think he's fine. He's nothing special, but can be paired up with the right guy (like, say, Seth Rollins) to produce very good matches.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 <p>Reigns is the female Charlotte. Solid worker with a limited moveset who has good to great matches with better opponents. Has star power but ranges from poor to average on the mic and has trouble connecting as a babyface.</p><p> </p><p> As for booking, they tried for way too long to make him Cena 2.0 (pure babyface underdog who looks too strong to be an underdog) despite Reigns just not being a good fit for that style of chracter or demographic. They also tried giving him longer promos but unlike Rollins for example, Reigns didn't show any signs of improvement. Short and to the point like yesterday's Raw works better.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iruleall15 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rickymex" data-cite="Rickymex" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I know iruleall15 is young but how young to you have to be to use "His ring work isnt even good. Im assuming you are new to watching wrestling as a whole? Never seen Daniel Bryan or Cesaro wrestle? Thats a real wrestler. Also Bray Wyatt are what a great promo sounds like." towards someone?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> So speaking fact now means im young? lol false. Im most likely older than you.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="iruleall15" data-cite="iruleall15" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So speaking fact now means im young? lol false. Im most likely older than you.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You're speaking your opinion, not facts. I suggest learning the difference.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawn Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="iruleall15" data-cite="iruleall15" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So speaking fact now means im young? lol false. Im most likely older than you.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You're missing the point and giving a really blind reply, though...</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawn Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Playing to his strengths, Reigns connects with the audience really well. When he took out Triple H and Vince McMahon last year, the crowds were eating it up, because he was being himself: A bad ass, ass kicking guy who doesn't give a damn about the consequences of his actions. However, given a microphone and horrible material that one would think that not even The Rock could work with (And The Rock can work with a lot of horrible stuff, because well...he is The Rock and his bad but funny comedy is a part of his character, pretty much), like Jack and the Beanstalk stories and s-sssss-sss-sufferin' succotash (son) and tater tots and crap of this kind, it's obvious that he will not get over...but Vince refuses to see that, and that is the problem. He wants a second John Cena, not a first Roman Reigns. It's not Reigns' fault. He has proven that he's improved really well in ring, given the right opponent (Hell, he had a great Last Man Standing Match with BIG SHOW last year...I love Big Show and even I have to admit, it's tough to carry him to a good match these days) and he has also improved in the mic skill department, but obviously when he's allowed to say what's really on his mind and not ''donkey dong for brains'', and also, when it's not the traditional 30 minute opening promo for a show these days. Reigns is just this silent character, pretty much, and he should only say what is really necessary. I would say that the best characters are really the ones that the workers are able to mix with their own personalities or strengths, and they should allow Reigns to do that more often than they do currently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitarzu Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lazorbeak" data-cite="lazorbeak" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>To be fair, even John Cena has struggled to be the "JBL is poopy" babyface of a PG product. <p> </p><p> As far as ability, I think he's fine. He's nothing special, but can be paired up with the right guy (like, say, Seth Rollins) to produce very good matches.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I didn't remember the "JBL is poopy", that was tater tots level. </p><p> </p><p> About play your strength, hide your weaknesses it's a good point but there's a but. WWE already has a silent strong type bad ass and is called Brock Lesnar who has a mouthpiece called Paul Heyman and on the other hand has the ultimate babyface in John Cena. The fact is Reigns is between a rock, no pun intended, and a hard place and the only way to overcome his struggles is playing a path similar to Batista's, when he was fed with good heat machines at the time, like Triple H, JBL, Eddie Guerrero and Mark Henry before he got injured and skipped Wrestlemania 22.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iruleall15 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Kitarzu" data-cite="Kitarzu" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I didn't remember the "JBL is poopy", that was tater tots level. <p> </p><p> About play your strength, hide your weaknesses it's a good point but there's a but. WWE already has a silent strong type bad ass and is called Brock Lesnar who has a mouthpiece called Paul Heyman and on the other hand has the ultimate babyface in John Cena. The fact is Reigns is between a rock, no pun intended, and a hard place and the only way to overcome his struggles is playing a path similar to Batista's, when he was fed with good heat machines at the time, like Triple H, JBL, Eddie Guerrero and Mark Henry before he got injured and skipped Wrestlemania 22.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That has failed. Thats what they have been trying. HHH is a heat magnet but look what happened the night Reigns got busted open. Yes chants for HHH to keep kicking the hell out of Reigns. Reigns is failing more and more. That arena might literally be empty by the time they match times on since EVERYONE knows the outcome</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Scott Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="iruleall15" data-cite="iruleall15" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>That has failed. Thats what they have been trying. HHH is a heat magnet but look what happened the night Reigns got busted open. Yes chants for HHH to keep kicking the hell out of Reigns. Reigns is failing more and more. That arena might literally be empty by the time they match times on since EVERYONE knows the outcome</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Rob, please. Cool it, bro. Just take it down a notch. No need for all this.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_CoC Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 <p>The Roman push has been an utter fail however its going to make the moment even sweeter when he faces a returning babyface Rollins if that is the direction they want to go with. </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Emma made her return on Main Event this week its awesome to see her be given another shot after all her good work on NXT.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iruleall15 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The_CoC" data-cite="The_CoC" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The Roman push has been an utter fail however its going to make the moment even sweeter when he faces a returning babyface Rollins if that is the direction they want to go with. <p> </p><p> </p><p> Emma made her return on Main Event this week its awesome to see her be given another shot after all her good work on NXT.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Aslong as she doesnt try to steal again she should be fine. I dont see her being a big player though in WWE. Shes better off in NXT where she will get consistent TV time.</p><p> </p><p> They need to give the title to someone. Reigns wont sell them tickets and will an arena like a Cena did. They need someone to come back and take this title. Anyone but Cena though.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_CoC Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="iruleall15" data-cite="iruleall15" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Aslong as she doesnt try to steal again she should be fine. I dont see her being a big player though in WWE. Shes better off in NXT where she will get consistent TV time.<p> </p><p> They need to give the title to someone. Reigns wont sell them tickets and will an arena like a Cena did. They need someone to come back and take this title. Anyone but Cena though.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You're not wrong with Reigns despite him being over with the kids and females. After Mania I could imagine him turning heel, hell we could see a double turn.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iruleall15 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The_CoC" data-cite="The_CoC" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You're not wrong with Reigns despite him being over with the kids and females. After Mania I could imagine him turning heel, hell we could see a double turn.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Reigns is the reverse Ryback. Ryback is supposed to be a demolishing heel but it doesnt work for him hes great as a face. While Reigns is supposed to be the top face but clearly its not working so assuming he will work great as a heel.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Either way Dunn needs to GTFO of the company since he is clearly messing it up and going into Vinces ear.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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