Fantabulous Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Self" data-cite="Self" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I don't think he's as bulletproof as he used to be. For a time he was a hot heel on the verge of a super-hot babyface turn. "Next Stone Cold" they said, and when you've got Steve Austin 2.0 you can easily overlook the dude taking a dump in a bag or three. However, he turned and... He's not that level. He's popular, but he didn't become mainstream-massive, and most importantly, he didn't overtake John Cena. I figure his value to the company has gone down because of that. From invaluable to merely important. <p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> This. The Orton babyface push hasn't clicked for the same reason the Edge babyface push hasn't clicked; they're natural heels. It doesn't work trying to package and present them as something they can't effectively pull off because it's not their nature. </p><p> </p><p> The Orton behaviour issues I was talking about were relating to specific incidents back in 2006-2007. In 2006 at a TV taping about a month before Wrestlemania, Orton quite openly smoked a joint backstage where anyone who worked there could have seen it. It was quietly hushed up and it didn't even come out at first what Orton had suspended for until quite later. This incident is something Orton himself acknowledged later and put it down to immaturity. The second incident was during a European tour in early 2007 and Orton did something that got him suspended and ordered home and in response Orton trashed his hotel room to tune of about $30,000. The specifics were never acknowledged, I think, but at the time WWE did confirm that he had been sent home from the tour but wouldn't specify why.</p><p> </p><p> If it was a midcarder who had done either of those things, then he would have been fired on the spot but stars get the breaks. To Orton's credit, he has mellowed a lot in the last few years which he put down to finally growing up and meeting his wife. Obviously, the temper is still there but Orton has grown up and that's to be commended.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 I disagree, Fantabulous. I think they are doing well as faces. It's just the audience and the current product isn't receptive to them as they would be if this was... well, you know. If Stone Cold came into today, he would be a heel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fantabulous" data-cite="Fantabulous" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>If it was a midcarder who had done either of those things, then he would have been fired on the spot but stars get the breaks. To Orton's credit, he has mellowed a lot in the last few years which he put down to finally growing up and meeting his wife. Obviously, the temper is still there but Orton has grown up and that's to be commended.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I guess the point is: how do those issues from 3-4 years ago relate to an accidental injury now? </p><p> </p><p> As to what you were wondering though...yeah it's pretty obvious there's a star system in place. But doesn't that exist in almost every industry, especially any industry related to entertainment? </p><p> </p><p> As to Orton specifically: I think he's doing fine..but I also think he's limited by the fact that A) he's really never been that great on the mic B) it's hard to do the anti-hero stuff that Austin could do in the PG era and C) he hasn't exactly been blessed by a string of stellar opponents. Sheamus? Barrett? Miz? The program with Edge was cut short and he didn't really get any time with Jricho. So his recent program with Punk is the first time he's facing a really established name over an extended period. </p><p> </p><p> Orton's not a promo guy, so matching him up with opponents who arent magic on the mic does him no favors.</p><p> </p><p> He's not the #1 Face in the company. And that'son him, mainly. But if the E wanted him to be there's ways they could've booked him that would've helped.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantabulous Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="PeterHilton" data-cite="PeterHilton" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I guess the point is: how do those issues from 3-4 years ago relate to an accidental injury now? <p> </p></div></blockquote><p> I was bringing it up in response to the notion that breaking Punk's nose should get him fired; Orton's done far worse and kept his job so an accidental injury isn't getting him canned.</p><p> </p><p> You don't need to do Attitude Era anti-hero stuff to get over as one. Just outsmart the authority figure, mouth off to him and beat people up who try to get you to confirm; do everything the common man would like to do to his boss but can't. It's not rocket science.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fantabulous" data-cite="Fantabulous" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You don't need to do Attitude Era anti-hero stuff to get over as one. Just outsmart the authority figure, mouth off to him and beat people up who try to get you to confirm; do everything the common man would like to do to his boss but can't. It's not rocket science.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Agreed..but again, that's poor booking. Kinda hard to go after the Authority Figure when it's a nebulous, faceless, all-knowing voice from a laptop who i just as likely to harass the faces as the heels.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eayragt Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lazorbeak" data-cite="lazorbeak" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>But there hasn't been an Orton behavior story in over 4 years, far, <em>far</em> before he became the #2 babyface in the company. And I don't believe anybody in the business has said Orton is the next Austin ever, let alone way back in 2004 when he was being accused of harassing diva search contestants. </div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Um, Orton was always considered the next big thing (well, the second big thing after Cena) - you don't debut, get injured and then still get to appear on vignettes if you're just anybody. The pushed into a stable with Triple H and Ric Flair - this man was being pushed! Next Austin? That's always going to be a bit hit or miss, but it is something that WWE wanted, and Orton they thought fit the bill. What other next big things have they let go? Mr Kennedy? That's not quite the same. Was Orton given more leeway than Kennedy? Probably. C'est la vie. Hell, there are numerous wrestlers on teh WWE roster who would not have been... let's say suspended (as WWE couldn't risk temporarily firing some of them) for strangling Josh Matthews with his tie. One did. It's not always what you do but who your are. Happens in all walks of life.</p><p> </p><p> And then, years later, they discover he's a bit of a rubbish face - hugely over, but never going to be the next Austin. Never going to break out commercially beyond WWE. Still, he's currenty their Number 2 draw (arguments could be made if Undertaker, Shawn Michaels or Triple H were active - but they're not).</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantabulous Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="PeterHilton" data-cite="PeterHilton" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Agreed..but again, that's poor booking. Kinda hard to go after the Authority Figure when it's a nebulous, faceless, all-knowing voice from a laptop who i just as likely to harass the faces as the heels.</div></blockquote><p> Someone needs to upload a virus to the laptop.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Self Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ampulator" data-cite="ampulator" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I disagree, Fantabulous. I think they are doing well as faces. It's just the audience and the current product isn't receptive to them as they would be if this was... well, you know. If Stone Cold came into today, he would be a heel.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I disagree. Just like in the 90's, he'd start out as a heel, slowly grow more and more popular, and be turned babyface. Just like Orton. Just like Mr. Kennedy. Just like any entertaining bad ass heel.</p><p> </p><p> The only visible difference I see between then and now is in the quality of booking. Orton isn't a great babyface, but a big blow to his babyface run was his turn, which was incredibly awkward (Remember the heel vs heel match with Sheamus at the Rumble?). If you'd turned him around a big angle like the Bret/Austin double-turn, or even had a hot storyline to be the hero in like Austin/McMahon, then maybe he'd be something.</p><p> </p><p> ... but I will agree that Edge & Orton are doing well. Neither are close to Cena, Rock or Austin though, and for a while there I would have put money on Orton being able to hit that level.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 The only visible difference I see between then and now is in the quality of booking. Orton isn't a great babyface, but a big blow to his babyface run was his turn, which was incredibly awkward (Remember the heel vs heel match with Sheamus at the Rumble?). If you'd turned him around a big angle like the Bret/Austin double-turn, or even had a hot storyline to be the hero in like Austin/McMahon, then maybe he'd be something. . Exactly this. He was MOLTEN hot post Evolution. He got one of the biggest pops of the night at WM for his stupid 'pose' and then the WWE followed it up with a lots of bland nothingness and a string of feuds against lesser known opponents. Randy hasn't hit as big as Id thought as well, but its not entirely his fault Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 The bigger issue is, there is never going to be another Vince McMahon, or Eric Bischoff, for that matter. Both, especially, Vince, were especially good as heels, with good amount of Mic Skill, and decent charisma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 <p>Randy was mega over after he got kicked out of evolution.</p><p> </p><p> He was a top face on Raw but I didn't watch Raw during that time much, I guess the feud with Trips was lackluster.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantabulous Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Randy was mega over after he got kicked out of evolution.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> And was very quickly cooled off one month later when he lost the World title to Triple H. I stopped following Raw for a long time after that because I just wasn't ready for another lengthy run of Raw Is Triple H.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ampulator" data-cite="ampulator" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The bigger issue is, there is never going to be another Vince McMahon, or Eric Bischoff, for that matter. Both, especially, Vince, were especially good as heels, with good amount of Mic Skill, and decent charisma.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You mean a really good heel authority figure that fans hate the instant they step foot out of the curtain and by the same token will root hard for anyone that's trying to go against them?</p><p> </p><p> I'd say Vicke Guerrero has done all that and more on SD. As of a matter of fact - and I'm sure people will completely trash this - I think she's better at it then Eric is. At least shes can get over as a heel without makingthe entire show about her. </p><p> </p><p> Vickie as a heel GM with a string of 'boyfriends' she pushes to the top is sheer awesome as an Authority Figure</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fantabulous" data-cite="Fantabulous" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>And was very quickly cooled off one month later when he lost the World title to Triple H. I stopped following Raw for a long time after that because I just wasn't ready for another lengthy run of Raw Is Triple H.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yup. But more than the loss to Trips it was the fact that fans rooted for Randy as an arrogant jerk but then despised him when he turned and became a cookie cutter goody two-shoes babyface.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 <p>that's why I have always been a SD guy. II was watching Raw for the Katie Vick/unmasking kane storyline and stuff though because RVD was getting title shots but other than that I prefered the SD 6 plus Taker and Lesnar and Show</p><p> </p><p> Edit: SD just had better matches and up through 2009 with Punk/Jeff/Morrison they still did.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 I just heard the Uso's theme on a vasaliene commercial rofl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="PeterHilton" data-cite="PeterHilton" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You mean a really good heel authority figure that fans hate the instant they step foot out of the curtain and by the same token will root hard for anyone that's trying to go against them?<p> </p><p> I'd say Vicke Guerrero has done all that and more on SD. As of a matter of fact - and I'm sure people will completely trash this - I think she's better at it then Eric is. At least shes can get over as a heel without makingthe entire show about her. </p><p> </p><p> Vickie as a heel GM with a string of 'boyfriends' she pushes to the top is sheer awesome as an Authority Figure.</p></div></blockquote><p> Actually, I disagree, but only in half. She's a better heel... but her mic skills are terrible, and she lacks charisma. </p><p> </p><p> It's not the same as "Vince-hate" or "eric-hate". You want to see Vince get his ass kicked. Heck, you'll pay to see Vince to get his ass kicked as much as you would want to pay to see Austin vs the Rock. </p><p> </p><p> For some people, (not me, actually), people don't want to see Vickie, period. And in that, she's actually a much more effective heel. But she makes people change the channel or turn the TV off, that's the kind of heat she gets. I actually don't have much her problem with her (except she's too screechy... tone it down, sheesh), but vince and Eric have that "it" she doesn't has, the "it" where you would want to pay $2000 for 4 minutes of them getting their kicked in or their face smashed in by a baseball bat. That's the kind of heat they generated. Vickie just wants to make some people turn the TV off. that's a no-no. </p><p> </p><p> I don't have a problem with her, but I can understand why some people will. Maybe it's similar to how I feel about X-Pac?</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazorbeak Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ampulator" data-cite="ampulator" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Actually, I disagree, but only in half. She's a better heel... but her mic skills are terrible, and she lacks charisma. <p> </p><p> It's not the same as "Vince-hate" or "eric-hate". You want to see Vince get his ass kicked. Heck, you'll pay to see Vince to get his ass kicked as much as you would want to pay to see Austin vs the Rock. </p><p> </p><p> For some people, (not me, actually), people don't want to see Vickie, period. And in that, she's actually a much more effective heel. But she makes people change the channel or turn the TV off, that's the kind of heat she gets. I actually don't have much her problem with her (except she's too screechy... tone it down, sheesh), but vince and Eric have that "it" she doesn't has, the "it" where you would want to pay $2000 for 4 minutes of them getting their kicked in or their face smashed in by a baseball bat. That's the kind of heat they generated. Vickie just wants to make some people turn the TV off. that's a no-no. </p><p> </p><p> I don't have a problem with her, but I can understand why some people will. Maybe it's similar to how I feel about X-Pac?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> This is completely false. Vickie is one of the most hated heels on the roster, and has been for some time. Talking about her "mic skills" and "charisma" ignore the fact that she was able to use said skills to get ginormously hated as a heel. So she must be doing something right.</p><p> </p><p> I mean look at any time she appears in front of a live crowd and gets bigger heat than anyone else on the roster. And yes, that is the same type of heat Bischoff had.</p><p> </p><p> X-Pac heat is a completely made up term. If somebody actually dropped ratings or hurt attendance, WWE wouldn't push them. And they wouldn't get huge reactions from crowds the way Vickie does on a weekly basis.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lazorbeak" data-cite="lazorbeak" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>This is completely false. Vickie is one of the most hated heels on the roster, and has been for some time. Talking about her "mic skills" and "charisma" ignore the fact that she was able to use said skills to get ginormously hated as a heel. So she must be doing something right.<p> </p><p> I mean look at any time she appears in front of a live crowd and gets bigger heat than anyone else on the roster. And yes, that is the same type of heat Bischoff had.</p><p> </p><p> X-Pac heat is a completely made up term. If somebody actually dropped ratings or hurt attendance, WWE wouldn't push them. And they wouldn't get huge reactions from crowds the way Vickie does on a weekly basis.</p></div></blockquote><p> You don't get my full point. I like Vickie. But I also, unlike you, recgonize that her mic skills aren't up to par, even if she's one most effective heels, right now, (I would say ever). She's actually a more effective heel than Eric is... before she even opens her mouth, the crowd boos as loud as they can because they can't stand hear her voice and dreads hearing her talk. And she speaks, they boo louder. But she doesn't have a lot of mic skill. And it doesn't matter, because she's already so effective as a heel. But the fact she's a good heel DESPITE not having a lot of mic skill is true, whether you like to admit that or not. </p><p> </p><p> And X-Pac heat is not made up. It's real. People hated seeing him after while. But that's another story altogether... </p><p> </p><p> As for you saying getting a huge reaction, I agree, but the WWE is wrong. Wrong many times. It's not the loundess of the reaction that matters, but also the quality. But that doesn't matter anymore, does it? As for Vickie, in short, Great heel, terrible mic talker. I just wished she didn't screech so much. It's getting old. Otherwise, she's fine. But I can understand why she would make other people change the channel.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genadi Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lazorbeak" data-cite="lazorbeak" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>X-Pac heat is a completely made up term. If somebody actually dropped ratings or hurt attendance, WWE wouldn't push them. </div></blockquote><p> </p><p> This is completely false. A quick revision of history proves so.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Genadi" data-cite="Genadi" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>This is completely false. A quick revision of history proves so.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Not sure if serious...</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genadi Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ampulator" data-cite="ampulator" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Not sure if serious...</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'm always serious <img alt=":cool:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazorbeak Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ampulator" data-cite="ampulator" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You don't get my full point. I like Vickie. But I also, unlike you, recgonize that her mic skills aren't up to par, even if she's one most effective heels, right now, (I would say ever). She's actually a more effective heel than Eric is... before she even opens her mouth, the crowd boos as loud as they can because they can't stand hear her voice and dreads hearing her talk. And she speaks, they boo louder. But she doesn't have a lot of mic skill. And it doesn't matter, because she's already so effective as a heel. But the fact she's a good heel DESPITE not having a lot of mic skill is true, whether you like to admit that or not.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> What par? The crowd boos her because she's over, that's what matters. And how did she get so over? It wasn't her dominant winning streak. </p><p> </p><p> It's just hilarious to me that on the one hand so-called "smart marks" can lament that everything is too cookie cutter, everything is the same, I am le bored by all of it, and then when something is different and gets over, it's over <em>in spite</em> of its difference, not because of it. Vickie can't be over because she's good at what she does. She's over even though she's bad at what she does. How does that make sense?</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ampulator" data-cite="ampulator" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>And X-Pac heat is not made up. It's real. People hated seeing him after while. But that's another story altogether... </div></blockquote><p> </p><p> No, it's not. Can you show me any evidence of its existence other than its presence in smart mark lexicons? Has anyone in the industry ever talked about it, or even acknowledged it? I've read it explained in different terms and none of them have ever been satisfactory. WWE has access to ratings breakdowns and has for years: do you really think they'd push someone with "change the channel" heat? And if it's the definition where they don't like the person, isn't that exactly what Edge used to finally pull himself into the main event? Under either definition it's a completely unnecessary distinction. Basically "X-Pac heat" is when a small percentage of ultra smart marks decide they don't like somebody so they can't possibly actually be over.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genadi Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lazorbeak" data-cite="lazorbeak" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>X-Pac heat is a completely made up term...</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lazorbeak" data-cite="lazorbeak" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div> Basically "X-Pac heat" is when a small percentage of ultra smart marks decide they don't like somebody so they can't possibly actually be over.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> This is a great basis for a sitcom, the world according to lazorbeak <img alt=":rolleyes:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supershot Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ampulator" data-cite="ampulator" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div> I actually don't have much her problem with her (except she's too screechy... tone it down, sheesh)</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> This is exactly how I feel. It makes her annoying to hear talk. But then again if she didnt have that screechy voice theres no way you would hear her talking over Green Bay booing our hearts out! </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ampulator" data-cite="ampulator" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>she doesn't has, the "it" where you would want to pay $2000 for 4 minutes of them getting their kicked in or their face smashed in by a baseball bat.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Speak for yourself <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="supershot" data-cite="supershot" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>This is exactly how I feel. It makes her annoying to hear talk. But then again if she didnt have that screechy voice theres no way you would hear her talking over Green Bay booing our hearts out! <p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Speak for yourself <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> I don't know. I mean, is it really worth the money to see her get hurt? I don't hate her that bad... I can always change the channel or turn the volume if she becomes unbearable. </p><p> </p><p> With Bischoff and Vince, for a long time, when they would come on, I would just fume. They woudln't even have to say or doing anything. I was already pissed off. I was ready to go ballistic.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lazorbeak" data-cite="lazorbeak" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>No, it's not. Can you show me any evidence of its existence other than its presence in smart mark lexicons? Has anyone in the industry ever talked about it, or even acknowledged it? I've read it explained in different terms and none of them have ever been satisfactory. WWE has access to ratings breakdowns and has for years: do you really think they'd push someone with "change the channel" heat? And if it's the definition where they don't like the person, isn't that exactly what Edge used to finally pull himself into the main event? Under either definition it's a completely unnecessary distinction. Basically "X-Pac heat" is when a small percentage of ultra smart marks decide they don't like somebody so they can't possibly actually be over.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You think it's a made up term when it's applied to anyone other than X-Pac. In that case, you are correct. But applied to X-Pac himself, it was true. He had "change-the-channel" or "go-away" heat. He was getitng stale (and when you thought Cena was stale...). he had been "X-Pac" since his Syxx days. He hadn't had a gimmick change. He was always doing the same things. Almost every match was the same thing. That wasn't the worst part, though. They tried to push him beyond his abilities. And it clearly, clearly, did not work. X-Pac was boring, but in aggravating way. He wasn't improving. I know he had neck issues, which is why he abandoned his high-flying style, but he never, ever made up for it through improving in other areas. Jushin Liger slowly went from being a high flyer to having a more solid technical base. Steve Austin went from an athletic blonde to a being a bad ass trash talker. X-Pac did change, but he regressed, and never made up for it. </p><p> </p><p> As for anyone getting X-Pac heat, they might get something akin to X-Pac heat (Vickie, Cena a couple of years ago), but it isn't QUITE X-Pac Heat. I mean, people were really, really, really sick of seeing X-Pac. It was the like Uncle that wouldn't leave the family renunion that was over. That was X-Pac.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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