jbergey_2005 Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 The more I think about this I am agreeing the "X-Pac" heat is just an expression and doesnt have much validity to it. Does anyone really get the reactions the booker is looking for anymore? Cena gets booed, Orton gets cheered when he is suppose to be a hated heel. Is that an example of X-Pac heat? Maybe Vicki is just being playing the annoying heel gimmick to perfection. I heard it mentioned that Cole is an example of X-Pac heat while I think he is playing his heel role perfectly. It seems to me he is getting the exact reaction they want from him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 The more I think about this I am agreeing the "X-Pac" heat is just an expression and doesnt have much validity to it. Does anyone really get the reactions the booker is looking for anymore? Cena gets booed, Orton gets cheered when he is suppose to be a hated heel. Is that an example of X-Pac heat? Maybe Vicki is just being playing the annoying heel gimmick to perfection. I heard it mentioned that Cole is an example of X-Pac heat while I think he is playing his heel role perfectly. It seems to me he is getting the exact reaction they want from him. Yes on Cole. I just used him as an example because of the negative reaction he got from fans starting from when he started hammering Danielson Re Cena: another good example. I loved how people would demand that he turned when he was getting mixed reactions 'because fans wanted to boo him.' At the time, he was still the most over worker on the roster so I never thought it made a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoNdOn Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Actually the very definition of X-Pac Heat is... well... X-Pac. Good Heat is when you're booed in a way that's constructive, where the crowd want to see you get your ass kicked. Bad Heat is when the crowd boo because they simply don't like what they're seeing. Booker/Buff got bad heat. The term X-Pac heat is so fiddly and subjective and often misused. If I were some kind of deity, my first act would be to stop people using it. I like to call it "turn the channel heat" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbergey_2005 Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 I think it would be a cool idea if someone took the sport of MMA, kept it a legitimate sport but added storylines, faces, and heels. You could get the wrestling fans and the MMA fans and force the WWE to change their product. I miss the old school WWF feel. MMA sort of gives me that however I dont usually have much rooting interest in either performer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantabulous Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 I like to call it "turn the channel heat" Which is what Michael Cole has with me, at least. He's so overbearing and obnoxious whenever he heels it up that it takes away all the attention from whatever is going on in the ring because he's ripping into everything. It doesn't help that Cole, who is probably the biggest heel in the company, is the lead announcer and the one counted on to $hill the product and the angles to the fans watching at home. If Cole was the colour guy and you had someone else, anyone else, in the lead position, it might not be so bad. But when the lead announcer, the main salesperson of the main program, is an ultra obnoxious heel, who you either hate and want to see get killed or hate and turn off, it kind of kills his cred when he goes into hype mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoNdOn Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Which is what Michael Cole has with me, at least. He's so overbearing and obnoxious whenever he heels it up that it takes away all the attention from whatever is going on in the ring because he's ripping into everything. It doesn't help that Cole, who is probably the biggest heel in the company, is the lead announcer and the one counted on to $hill the product and the angles to the fans watching at home. If Cole was the colour guy and you had someone else, anyone else, in the lead position, it might not be so bad. But when the lead announcer, the main salesperson of the main program, is an ultra obnoxious heel, who you either hate and want to see get killed or hate and turn off, it kind of kills his cred when he goes into hype mode. Think about it. Everytime there is a heel announcer it is always the colour guy, not the lead. Jesse Ventura with Vince McMahon Bobby Heenan with Gorilla Monsoon Jerry Lawler with JR JBL with Michael Cole Don West with Mike Tenay Paul Heyman with JR and so on and so on............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Which is what Michael Cole has with me, at least. He's so overbearing and obnoxious whenever he heels it up that it takes away all the attention from whatever is going on in the ring because he's ripping into everything. It doesn't help that Cole, who is probably the biggest heel in the company, is the lead announcer and the one counted on to $hill the product and the angles to the fans watching at home. If Cole was the colour guy and you had someone else, anyone else, in the lead position, it might not be so bad. But when the lead announcer, the main salesperson of the main program, is an ultra obnoxious heel, who you either hate and want to see get killed or hate and turn off, it kind of kills his cred when he goes into hype mode. And that is a totally fair evaluation and I can't honetly say i disagree with it, even though I don't fell that negatively towards Cole and his act. And I don't disagree with the way amp feels about Vickie, even though I think she's the goods. But when people use that term 'XPac Heat' what they are saying is that there is such an overwhelmingly negative and visceral reaction to the character that large segments of the audience will turn away from their TV to avoid seeing that one worker on screen. And I really don't see that happening that often and I definitely don't see it in the WWE. XPac heat is kind of a myth ..and a the very least...is wayyyy overused. Now who wants to talk some more about Sting coming to the WWE????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbergey_2005 Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Now who wants to talk some more about Sting coming to the WWE????? Im wondering how you would put an angle for something like this in TEW. You have people believing its sting but maybe its some no name(doubtful). Do you use the overness of sting(since people think its him) or that overness of the possible wrestler very few people have heard of if its him to create that realistic angle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbergey_2005 Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 I was hoping Vince was coming back. He seemed to be keeping a low profile and not showing heel tactics so perhaps he is keeping a low profile from now on. He gets sickening when he hogs so much time but I certainly miss him when he is away. Also, Sting is no longer listed on the TNA website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moe Hunter Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 CM Punk doesn't take showers and it fits Cody's gimmick, so I could see why he would be pressed over a broken nose. Yeah, Rhodes' angle is fine. But Jugg's suggestion was to run a similar angle with Punk wearing some protective gear. That wouldn't work at this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwt13 Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Who do you guys think the guest host of WM will be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbergey_2005 Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Who do you guys think the guest host of WM will be? HBK? Jesse Ventura? Rock? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvdWarrior Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 I'm leaning toward The Rock myself. Seems like I read somewhere that The Great One might be doing something with WWE in the coming months, the WrestleMania thing could possibly be that. Best guess I have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwt13 Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 I'm leaning towards Goldberg just because of the fact that Vince talked about not many people have sold out the dome and Goldberg did in 98. But I heard some where that it was Ted turner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantabulous Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Yes, and Ted will lead the new Invasion... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purple Cowboy Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Last year at this time there were rumors that Warrior might be going into the HOF. How crazy would it be if it was Ultimate Warrior? Otherwise, Rock or Justin Bieber are my guesses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 And I don't disagree with the way amp feels about Vickie, even though I think she's the goods. But when people use that term 'XPac Heat' what they are saying is that there is such an overwhelmingly negative and visceral reaction to the character that large segments of the audience will turn away from their TV to avoid seeing that one worker on screen. XPac heat is kind of a myth ..and a the very least...is wayyyy overused. Now who wants to talk some more about Sting coming to the WWE????? The thing is, X-Pac's segments are really one of the worst, after his time with DX. Let me explain. first, he was the Lightning Kid. Then, he was for the 1-2-3 Kid. For all intents and purposes, these are two similar gimmicks for Sean Waltman. Then He was Syxx in WCW. When he left WCW, he became X-Pac. So, since 1996 upwards to 2000ish, he was Syxx (similar gimmick to X-Pac). He was stale as heck in terms of gimmicks. But it wasn't just that. He was pushed beyond his abilities... first, he didn't have "it", or at least, not a lot of "it". Second, he wasn't exactly the most charismatic person (I know this didn't stop WWE before, but bear with me). Third, his mic skill wasn't so good. Four, he had very typical, run-of-the-mill matches, and he was working safe style before safe style even existed (I understood why he did it, but just bear with me a bit more). Fifth, he never compensated for stopping his aerial moves. Now, he broke his neck before. It's understand why he stopped doing flashy aerial moves ala Jeff Hardy. But guys like Lance Storm, who slowly went from a Super Junior style, to more a Technician style. Lance Storm got better at being a performer and technical moves. And he has only one (comparatively minor to others) injury. All his matches were the same. Same moves. Every time. I don't mean similar matches. It's almost all his matches were scripted the exact way, with every wrestler. Doesn't matter who he faced if he was going to win. Same match, Same moves. Now, all this, I admit, even when combined, doesn't justify the hate he gets. But there's more. It's the fact that he was shoved in people's faces as a SERIOUS threat. It was just not acceptable. And this isn't just marks. This was a live crowd. Can he really beat guys Albert or even Viscera? Really? He's on the level of Triple H? What the heck? These things combined made him unbearable. I really did change the channel when he was on. And I'll turn back when I realize he wasn't on anymore. It wsas a comibination of factors that's really, really hard to get. Usually, when you have two of these issues, even the WWE is like "Okay, this isn't going well". It somehow just added up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 These things combined made him unbearable. I really did change the channel when he was on. And I'll turn back when I realize he wasn't on anymore. It wsas a comibination of factors that's really, really hard to get. Usually, when you have two of these issues, even the WWE is like "Okay, this isn't going well". It somehow just added up. All of that is totally fair. But again...as many people as there were on the net at the time with that opinion...was all of that bad for business? Did it hurt the WWE to have that segment of the audience - net fans, mostly - who despised X Pac? Did the 'X Pac heat' take away from the legit reaction that he go because he was a bad guy? Or was it net fans just complaining loudly and assuming that everyone in the audience though the same way. Take your personal feelings aside: in all honesty, did it have any effect whatsoever on the character and t effectiveness on TV? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 All of that is totally fair. But again...as many people as there were on the net at the time with that opinion...was all of that bad for business? Did it hurt the WWE to have that segment of the audience - net fans, mostly - who despised X Pac? Did the 'X Pac heat' take away from the legit reaction that he go because he was a bad guy? Or was it net fans just complaining loudly and assuming that everyone in the audience though the same way. Take your personal feelings aside: in all honesty, did it have any effect whatsoever on the character and t effectiveness on TV? Did it have an effect? Good news is, not much, because he wasn't at the main event. But about this... it's the exact thing TNA would do, except worse. "He's getting a reaction! Let's put him in the main event!" And then watch the ratings dwindle... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genadi Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Triple H had X-Pac heat for a while there (if my memory is working) around 2004-2005. People were switching channels for his segments and it resulted in lower ratings. I could give a long list of workers who've had "X-Pac heat" but it'd just be my opinion based of stats that are variable and reported by wrestling reporters. People asking for "proof" need to realise and drill it into their head it's all subjective, like most things in wrestling and like I've said before a thousand times... or whenever these debates pop up. If you don't think X-Pac heat is real good for you, you may not think Hogan was a great worker either but there's really no argument to be made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazorbeak Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Both sides have used evidence to make their cases; it's constructing an argument. Anyway, I feel like my point has been made and expanded on to the point where I'd be pretty happy if we could move on with using this thread to complain about WWE's horrible mis-use of talent or how their product stinks now because it's not the same as it was when you were a kid. In conclusion, even if you believe one of the myriad definitions of the term "X-Pac heat," I'm not sure that it's a particularly useful distinction, and I'm not exactly the only one. Some other cogent points: I don't believe in X-Pac heat either. Or at the very least I believe it's far less widespread a concept than some people claim. Any heat is good heat when used correctly. So yes...while 'XPac Heat' may be an actual thing among a small segment of the audience, does it matter? I'd say no. The more I think about this I am agreeing the "X-Pac" heat is just an expression and doesnt have much validity to it. XPac heat is kind of a myth ..and a the very least...is wayyyy overused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genadi Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 there's really no argument to be made. Then again some people just like to argue I suppose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazorbeak Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Hey guys, anybody else notice WWE's product stinks now? They should go back to the way it was when I was a kid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Hey guys, anybody else notice WWE's product stinks now? They should go back to the way it was when I was a kid! Personally, I really apply X-Pac heat just to X-Pac... any other use just stretches the definition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genadi Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Personally, I really apply X-Pac heat just to X-Pac... any other use just stretches my definition. Fixed that for you. I gotta stop coming into this thread it's hurting parts of my brain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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