The Official TNA / Impact / GFW Discussion Thread

[juggaloninjalee]

Oh ok I am glad Sabu is the one who got fired. He is not nearly as good as he used to be.

[Basmat01]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="juggaloninjalee" data-cite="juggaloninjalee" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Oh ok I am glad Sabu is the one who got fired. He is not nearly as good as he used to be.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Dreamer, Raven, RVD and that were out and "thank" Sabu for all his done and stuff and Dreamer ask him if he would like to say anything and his like "nope" lol</p><p> </p><p> Not too much of a fan of Womens Wrestling but the Mickie James/Tara match was good</p>

[LoganRodzen]

Watching the beginning of the show now that I have some time this morning. MCMG vs Dudleyz was awesome - Sabin kicking out of the 3D and Tenay saying, "has anyone kicked out of 3D? 15 freakin' years!" was perfect. Awesome job by Team 3D for putting the young guns over.

[Bigpapa42]

After not watching any TNA for the past month, I ended up watching the PPV last night. Basically, giving TNA a chance to prove me wrong and bring me back. They failed. Remarkably unremarkable show. One above average match and the rest was pretty crap that should have been Impact. Great to see Jay Lethal's feud with Ric Flair doing such big things for his career... oh wait... Also nice to see that those in charge of TNA have clearly learned from what was done wrong with the NWO back in the day... Oh, wait....

[crownsy]

<p>Haven't watched the show, but read the dirt sheets.</p><p> </p><p>

Why on earth are they pushing this stupid JErsey shore storyline when the crowd (again according to the sheets i've read) is clearly not into it at all AND hogan just gave a shoot interview where he said TNA is going to cut out "all the stupid stuff"</p><p> </p><p>

Is there anything stupider than a Jersey shore storyline? and for this you job Jay lethal, a guy who was one of the hottest baby faces in your company not 3 months ago?</p>

[Stennick]

<p>Since Desmond Wolfe has decided to pursue stand up comedy instead of wrestling (and lets face it working for TNA he has TONS of material) the only guys I care about are Lethal and Pope.</p><p> </p><p>

I know Pope faced Abyss due to Hash mentioning it a few pages back, did he win? I would guess not....</p><p> </p><p>

Also who did Lethal face, is he still the champion and did he win? I would guess so....</p><p> </p><p>

Thats about the long and short of what I want to know concerning TNA these days...</p>

[PeterHilton]

<p>First off..RE: Wolfe...WTF???</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> I know Pope faced Abyss due to Hash mentioning it a few pages back, did he win? I would guess not....</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Pope faced Abyss in a lumber jack match where the lumberjacks were Pope's 'congregation' or in other words a bunch of actors hired to play Pope's group of buddies, including his 'brother'</p><p> </p><p> Pope lost when Eric came out during the match and made the moey sign with his fingers, and the congregation turned on Pope.</p><p> </p><p> Wouldn't be as annoying if the JJ/Joe match didn't also have an over-the-top heels cheat to win deal.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Also who did Lethal face, is he still the champion and did he win? I would guess so....<p> </p><p> Thats about the long and short of what I want to know concerning TNA these days...</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Lethal faced the jersey shore dude and lost. I'd say his heat is officially killed off.</p>

[Stennick]

<p>The Wolfe thing was a joke........sorta he's been doing some stand up comedy in the Orlando area and there were rumors he had a health problem that was going to prevent him from wrestling. </p><p> </p><p>

So Jay Lethal went from feading with Ric Flair and opening up iMpact to losing to a back Zack Ryder rip off........I would really like to hear someone justify the killing of Lethal's heat anyone from Bishoff to anyone on this board. </p><p> </p><p>

I hated the Black Machismo character because it was bush league. Which indy promotion doesn't have somebody ripping off a wrestling character. Around here we have "Jason Cena" ha ha</p><p> </p><p>

My point is they took that Black Machismo character but they didn't kill it, instead they evolved it and made Jay Lethal the man into something to where he didn't need the stupid gimmick to get over. They do a great interview with him on REaction right before BFG making people care and now this.....</p><p> </p><p>

you know what on second thought please don't justify it because whoever does I will lose any respect I might already have or would have had for you down the road.</p>

[juggaloninjalee]

<p>My guys the MCMG are still the tag team champs so I am happy. Hardy shouldn't have lost the title so soon anyways. I guess Samoa Joe is gonna need to get some guys to watch his back so he can get a win over Jarrett.</p><p> </p><p>

It looks like TNA is going to make the faces lose cheap until they band together and end this regime... hopefully within a couple months.</p>

[Bigpapa42]

So Jay Lethal went from feading with Ric Flair and opening up iMpact to losing to a back Zack Ryder rip off........I would really like to hear someone justify the killing of Lethal's heat anyone from Bishoff to anyone on this board.

 

I don't think it is justifiable. It makes zero sense to invest that much into building up Lethal, and then completely killing it all off.

 

My guys the MCMG are still the tag team champs so I am happy. Hardy shouldn't have lost the title so soon anyways. I guess Samoa Joe is gonna need to get some guys to watch his back so he can get a win over Jarrett.

 

It looks like TNA is going to make the faces lose cheap until they band together and end this regime... hopefully within a couple months.

 

The problem with that approach is that you have to give the fans reasons to keep caring. To keep supporting the "good guys". Having the heel stable be overly dominant gets boring, repetitive, and basically buries the faces to the point that fans don't care. Its what happened with the NWO in WCW. If the faces don't get some wins soon, a lot of fans will just stop caring.

 

Having the heel group win the big tag match made some sense, as did having Hardy retain. But what was the point of having JJ go over Joe? That was the perfect point to have the "good guys" score one win. Instead, the bad guys stay dominant, as they have for the past month.

[Stennick]

<p>When Joe came in he was undefeated, he went on to feud with Kurt Angle and was essentially considered a main eventer. When people talked about the future of TNA they talked about AJ Styles and Joe. In fact Joe took it upon himself to get all shooty on Scott Hall because it was "his company". </p><p> </p><p>

I thought it would be fun to look at the last two years worth of pay per views and see what he has done. So away we go. </p><p> </p><p>

From October of 08 until April of 09 (7 months) Joe does not win a pay per view match. </p><p> </p><p>

Sometime around August Joe defeats Homicide and wins a few ppv's defending the X Division Title. </p><p> </p><p>

From October 09 until September 2010 Joe does not win a single pay per view match. </p><p> </p><p>

He finally wins a tag team match with JJ against Nash and Sting at that pay per view. </p><p> </p><p>

Joe has not won a singles match on pay per view in over 13 months.</p><p> </p><p>

The last singles match Joe won was in Sept 2009 when he defeated Daniels to retain his X Division Championship.</p><p> </p><p>

Going back just one year with The Pope to last years BFG the Pope has only won two pay per view matches (unless you count the tournament as seperate matches then he's won five). None the less either way Pope's last singles victory on pay per view was in February of that year and he didn't win another ppv match until October. </p><p> </p><p>

So Joe hasn't won a singles match on pay per view in over 13 months, the Pope hasn't won one in nine months.</p>

[alden]

When joe first came in it was on WOW moment for the internet fans. He was such a huge signing in my opinion. He could have done alot more for the company. Joe is one of the best wrestlers around and can go an hour no problem. Or atleast he could when he first came into the company. The olay kick was so over it was not even funny but he does not do it in tna. What the hell is up with that. I waited for month to see that move in tna and it never happend. Its not like he could not do it as alot of the guys in roh were working in tna with him. Joe was the indy golden boy. He is a joke now in my opinion. They droped the ball big one with joe.

[Stennick]

<p>Personally I've never seen much in Joe. He's pretty good in ring but he's never ever had a promo that I said "wow I need to see this match" he's never had a character that I said "wow when these guys clash its going to be like oil and water".</p><p> </p><p>

So when you have a somewhat large guy who's very good in the ring they brought him in, got him very over in the X Division since you know that division is all about wrestling.</p><p> </p><p>

I really feel like there are a thousand aborted Joe pushes. He's like the Sting of his generation without the championships and long memorable feuds.</p><p> </p><p>

He's always the babyface leader but he loses constantly and the's depushed back to the X Division constantly. </p><p> </p><p>

Joe was overrated and I don't think Joe was ever going to sell tickets and put TNA on the map in the way that others could but Joe was a solid hand that every creative regime has screwed up.</p>

[PeterHilton]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="juggaloninjalee" data-cite="juggaloninjalee" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> </p><p> It looks like TNA is going to make the faces lose cheap until they band together and end this regime... hopefully within a couple months.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Hopefully. I think the fear would be that a) we've seen a VERY similar storyline recently in TNA and that story never paid off with the good guys giving the bad guys their due an B) the people central to this story with any kind of pull backstage - Eric, Hogan, Jarrett - have never shown an ability to pull the trigger on putting thegood guy over at the right time; the nWo story withered and died as a direct result of Hogan and Eric never putting the good guys over and Jarrett hasn't done it at all in TNA. </p><p> </p><p> (and please don't reply with "oh but what about the time JJ lost the belt" because every time JJ lost the title in TNA, he'd follow it up with three months of storylines centered around him while that champ at the time ran around in meaningless title defenses ala Triple H/Benoit)</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Bigpapa42" data-cite="Bigpapa42" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> Having the heel group win the big tag match made some sense, as did having Hardy retain. But what was the point of having JJ go over Joe? That was the perfect point to have the "good guys" score one win. Instead, the bad guys stay dominant, as they have for the past month.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>When Joe came in he was undefeated, he went on to feud with Kurt Angle and was essentially considered a main eventer. When people talked about the future of TNA they talked about AJ Styles and Joe. In fact Joe took it upon himself to get all shooty on Scott Hall because it was "his company". </div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Here's the thing: I started to believe this a while back, but I believe it even more so now...I don't think TNA is EVER going to make Joe a true main eventer. </p><p> </p><p> Ever. </p><p> </p><p> He's talented. He's a good-to-very good worker. He can move around surprisingly well for his size. But he's not that charismatic. He's never been an A on the mic. And he's really not that marketable. </p><p> </p><p> Sure, when TNA was pushing it's ring work and had the XDivision humming and felt a little like ROH with more production value ..it was easy to see this unstoppable submission machine as the face of TNA, putting on fantastic matches with Angle, AJ, Daniels etc.</p><p> </p><p> But now? In a full on sports entertainment fed? He's a tubby guy with no real character...</p><p> </p><p> he's capped out in TNA. He might never hold the TNA World Title again. And he might end up as just a midcard jobber to the stars fairly shortly. If it were me, I'd go the way of Daniels and head back to ROH where my name and pedigree makes me an instant main eventer, or I'd lose 25 lbs and go to the WWE where at least I'd get paid better.</p>

[PeterHilton]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>.I really feel like there are a thousand aborted Joe pushes. He's like the Sting of his generation without the championships and long memorable feuds.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I wouldn't even give him that. I think AJ is going to end up as The Sting of this generation; great athlete, good guy, fans love him, face of the company, never made that leap to megastar ...</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Joe was overrated and I don't think Joe was ever going to sell tickets and put TNA on the map in the way that others could but Joe was a solid hand that every creative regime has screwed up.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> There's a lot to this. If anything, Joe might've done more when he was hot and pushing him big time then might've enabled TNA to get the most out of him...but the longer he was on the roster the easier it was to pick out his flaws...</p><p> </p><p> sort of what the SWF did with Frehley and Enygma.<img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> If anything, I think TNA has wasted Kurt Angle's potential</p>

[hellboy2]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>When Joe came in he was undefeated, he went on to feud with Kurt Angle and was essentially considered a main eventer. When people talked about the future of TNA they talked about AJ Styles and Joe. In fact Joe took it upon himself to get all shooty on Scott Hall because it was "his company". <p> </p><p> I thought it would be fun to look at the last two years worth of pay per views and see what he has done. So away we go. </p><p> </p><p> From October of 08 until April of 09 (7 months) Joe does not win a pay per view match. </p><p> </p><p> Sometime around August Joe defeats Homicide and wins a few ppv's defending the X Division Title. </p><p> </p><p> From October 09 until September 2010 Joe does not win a single pay per view match. </p><p> </p><p> He finally wins a tag team match with JJ against Nash and Sting at that pay per view. </p><p> </p><p> Joe has not won a singles match on pay per view in over 13 months.</p><p> </p><p> The last singles match Joe won was in Sept 2009 when he defeated Daniels to retain his X Division Championship.</p><p> </p><p> Going back just one year with The Pope to last years BFG the Pope has only won two pay per view matches (unless you count the tournament as seperate matches then he's won five). None the less either way Pope's last singles victory on pay per view was in February of that year and he didn't win another ppv match until October. </p><p> </p><p> So Joe hasn't won a singles match on pay per view in over 13 months, the Pope hasn't won one in nine months.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> on that i don't think Desmonde Wolfe has won any matches on PPV, they built him up when he first joined and just seemed to lose every match he was in</p>

[Stennick]

<p>That is correct, he has never won a pay per view match for TNA Wrestling.</p><p> </p><p>

On a side note in July at Victory Road Jay Lethal defeated Ric Flair with the figure four leg lock, three weeks later he lost a match that saw him wrestling Brian Kendrick and The Amazing Red....</p>

[20LEgend]

Didn't Joe lose in the tag match at BFG because Jarrett left him?

[Hyde Hill]

He means the tag match before that. That one they won. Was the same line up except Pope. Personally still think Joe has "it" to be a main event guy, maybe not head-liner but definitely main event.

[cappyboy]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="PeterHilton" data-cite="PeterHilton" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div> <p> Here's the thing: I started to believe this a while back, but I believe it even more so now...I don't think TNA is EVER going to make Joe a true main eventer. </p><p> </p><p> Ever. </p><p> </p><p> He's talented. He's a good-to-very good worker. He can move around surprisingly well for his size. But he's not that charismatic. He's never been an A on the mic. And he's really not that marketable. </p><p> </p><p> Sure, when TNA was pushing it's ring work and had the XDivision humming and felt a little like ROH with more production value ..it was easy to see this unstoppable submission machine as the face of TNA, putting on fantastic matches with Angle, AJ, Daniels etc.</p><p> </p><p> But now? In a full on sports entertainment fed? He's a tubby guy with no real character...</p><p> </p><p> he's capped out in TNA. He might never hold the TNA World Title again. And he might end up as just a midcard jobber to the stars fairly shortly. If it were me, I'd go the way of Daniels and head back to ROH where my name and pedigree makes me an instant main eventer, or I'd lose 25 lbs and go to the WWE where at least I'd get paid better.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I can't fault Joe on any of this though. TNA's turned him into a gimmick collector. If Joe could just get a steady identity and hold onto it, maybe he could be a main eventer. But they can't decide whether he's the Samoan submission machine and whether he's on the side of the Front Line or the Main Event Mafia. Is he one of AJ's best friends or is he a virtually uncontrollable savage and the lead solider in a badly undermanned Nation of Violence? Is he face or heel? Should we care that he is what we see today when he could be the polar opposite by Easter? It's almost like TNA management's seen him as a coat-tail rider in recent years and hasn't wanted him to succeed or something.</p>

[Johnny Fenoli]

<p><span>http://gerweck.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/190071378.jpg</span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p>

uuuuuuuggllllllllllyyyyyyyyyyy............... <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[Stennick]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hyde Hill" data-cite="Hyde Hill" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>He means the tag match before that. That one they won. Was the same line up except Pope. Personally still think Joe has "it" to be a main event guy, maybe not head-liner but definitely main event.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The problem is Hyde that Mr. Anderson, Pope, Ric Flair, Mic Foley, Desmond Wolfe, Kurt Angle have all both sold me on attending or watching events. </p><p> </p><p> Joe doesn't have that ability, he can't cut an epic promo, he hasn't created a character that made me say "wow I can't wait until him and so and so do battle thats complete opposites going at it". </p><p> </p><p> I think Joe receives the Chris Benoit 1998 internet push. Everyone on the net things the guy has the it factor to be at the top of the card when in reality if you remove yourself from the situation you see he has a very good niche in wrestling but in Joe's case that niche should be ruling the X Division and venturing out for a few main event programs here and there. </p><p> </p><p> Joe doesn't have the look, character or talking ability to be the guy most internet people (Heyman included) think he could be. </p><p> </p><p> I think its funny that this guy bounces back and forth between Loner bad ass and faction front man a lot. Maybe not faction front man but my god how many alliances have they had this guy be a part of? Main Event Mafia, that thing with Kevin Nash for a while, Front Line, then he was with Jarrett and Hogan, first he's best friends with AJ Styles, then he hates his stinking guts, first he's a silent Samoan submission machine, then he's playing Mr. Mind Games between AJ Styles and Christopher Daniels.</p><p> </p><p> For Joe being so "outspoken" I'm shocked he hasn't completely rebelled against half the dumb stuff he's had to do. I know he's publically complained about Russo in the past and lost it when the finish to his match was given away and even got all worked shooty on Hall but yet when they did they truly are epicly stupid with him he's pretty quiet about it. I'm not saying he's wrong for doing it but for a guy who has let his internet gimmick be "Mr. Real" at times I'm shocked he's not mentioned more dumb moves by his employer.</p>

[Stennick]

What Title belt is that?

[crownsy]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>What Title belt is that?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Fairly sure that's Jeff holding it, so I'm going to guess the world title?</p>

[The Final Countdown]

Fairly sure that's Jeff holding it, so I'm going to guess the world title?

If so...wow, the spinner belt doesn't seem quite so bad anymore...