brashleyholland Posted July 7, 2011 Author Share Posted July 7, 2011 My post UFC 132 thoughts on Tito Ortiz and the respect he does/doesn't deserve: http://www.mmabay.co.uk/2011/07/06/blog-o-plata-tito-ortiz-a-matter-of-respect/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 You know, there's one thing I disagree with you on-Tito's Ortiz's situation is different from Ken Shamrock. Shamrock was getting smashed by guys that, if he were in his prime, he would never lose against. The same can't be said for Tito-he hasn't lost to anyone he shouldn't have lost to, even if he was healthier and in his prime. He would have still lose to the same guys. They are just too good for him. In Ken's case, I think his "professional wrestling" days really screwed him up. The insane road schedule plus the drug use of pro wrestling messed him up long term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted July 7, 2011 Author Share Posted July 7, 2011 You know, there's one thing I disagree with you on-Tito's Ortiz's situation is different from Ken Shamrock. Shamrock was getting smashed by guys that, if he were in his prime, he would never lose against. The same can't be said for Tito-he hasn't lost to anyone he shouldn't have lost to, even if he was healthier and in his prime. He would have still lose to the same guys. They are just too good for him. Well yeah, but that wasn't the comparison I made. The Shamrock comparison was based on a few things: -They both went on to be the poster child of their generation after being humbled by 'better' fighters in the cage (Gracie for Ken and Frank Shamrock for Tito) -They both opted to high-tail it to B-movies/wrestling in the prime of their careers/popularity in the face of stiffer competition (Coleman/Frye for Ken and Liddell for Ortiz). -They were both damaged goods when they returned to fighting. -They both opted to continue taking losses to more capable fighters instead of calling it quits, tarnishing their legacy in the process. (Franklin and the second two Tito fights for Ken, Machida, Forrest and Hamill for Tito). In fact I think I specifically mentioned that with regards to opponents, Tito's fall from grace was much slower and less humiliating than Ken's. The point of that particular parallel wasn't to make a direct comparison of the relative quality of their opponents. The fact is this: People would have fonder memories of both had Tito retired after the Machida fight and Ken after the first Tito fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chg91 Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 In fact I think I specifically mentioned that with regards to opponents, Tito's fall from grace was much slower and less humiliating than Ken's. The point of that particular parallel wasn't to make a direct comparison of the relative quality of their opponents. The fact is this: People would have fonder memories of both had Tito retired after the Machida fight and Ken after the first Tito fight. You can't throw out quality of opponents when talking about this. Tito hadn't won in close to half a decade prior to the Bader fight, but he also hadn't been completely waxed over by his opponents, all of whom were either in the top 5 or 10 of the division at the time of those matches. Tito's "legacy" is fine, just as Matt Hughes's is, just as Fedor's is, just as Big Nog's is, Liddell's, Cro Cop's, and so on and so forth. In other news, Dan Miller's playing injury replacement fighter again, and will be stepping in against Palhares at 134 for Ferreira. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted July 7, 2011 Author Share Posted July 7, 2011 You can't throw out quality of opponents when talking about this. I wasn't. I didn't even bring quality of opponents up, Amp did, and it was completely irrelevant to the comparison I was making, hence my response :-p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shape Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 http://www.mmafighting.com/2011/07/07/backstage-with-chael-sonnen/ Without a doubt the greatest interview of all time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_w_w Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 http://www.mmafighting.com/2011/07/07/backstage-with-chael-sonnen/ Without a doubt the greatest interview of all time. So good. Fighting-wise, I'm not even that big of a Sonnen fan. But talking and hype - he's the man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted July 7, 2011 Author Share Posted July 7, 2011 I wish Chael Sonnen was my dad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 He's too young to be your dad? Uncle Sonnen from USA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoNdOn Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Really funny interview. I like Chael talking all this smack in the build up to a fight but I always want to see him get creamed in the cage. I don't dislike the guy, I just want to hear what his excuse will be and how he will turn it into a positive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingJoel Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 I wish Chael Sonnen was my dad. I want him to be my dad...Even though it'd be odd him having a black kid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantabulous Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Sonnen is an entertaining talker, but it gets tiresome if he can't back it up. If he doesn't win at least one of his next two fights, and if he gets past Stann it looks likely he'll face Silva/Okami, then I'm going to just skip over whatever he has to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 He knew what he was doing. Maybe he will regret some of his exact words, but his intent ws pretty clear-he was saying what he was saying to us-because we will just look right past it and know it's BS. What hes' really tring to do is piss Brazilians off. They might know what he say is absolute BS, but they aren't going to let it slide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted July 7, 2011 Author Share Posted July 7, 2011 He's too young to be your dad? Uncle Sonnen from USA? Lol, he's only three years older than me...cousin maybe? :-p I want him to be my dad...Even though it'd be odd him having a black kid Ok, so he can be my cousin and your adoptive father. Done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Hey, I know people who have uncles that are only a year older than them. Seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shape Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Sonnen is an entertaining talker, but it gets tiresome if he can't back it up. If he doesn't win at least one of his next two fights, and if he gets past Stann it looks likely he'll face Silva/Okami, then I'm going to just skip over whatever he has to say. Does that include winning a fight until a man wraps his legs around his neck, which does not count as winning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Not sure, if said legs wrapped around tight enough, it is considered a choke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chg91 Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Hey, I know people who have uncles that are only a year older than them. Seriously. That's not as crazy as when the aunts/uncles are actually younger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 That's not as crazy as when the aunts/uncles are actually younger. I know those people too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaunGBD Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 Lol, he's only three years older than me...cousin maybe? :-p Ok, so he can be my cousin and your adoptive father. Done Hey, what about me. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaunGBD Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Backstage With Chael Sonnen This is part 2 (Best part) (This is the interview with ESPN) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 When I heard him imply that LHW was a bad or a worse division (compared to what?) I pretty much shut off taking anything he was saying in the interview. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaunGBD Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 When I heard him imply that LHW was a bad or a worse division (compared to what?) I pretty much shut off taking anything he was saying in the interview. Omg you miss where he told that The Nogueria brother saw a bus and thought it was a horse and tried to pet it and feed it, he swears it true.. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 You misunderstand me. I listened to the whole interview. I heard every word of it. I just didn't care about anything said, or put any worth to his words after what he said about the LHW division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaunGBD Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 You misunderstand me. I listened to the whole interview. I heard every word of it. I just didn't care about anything said, or put any worth to his words after what he said about the LHW division. got you, don't have to blow up over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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