ampulator Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 Edgar and Maynard aren't covered as the policy only kicks in from the 1st of June. D'Oh! As Jim Ross would say, "Aw, son of a b*****!" I'm not a fan of interim belts. In this case especially, it doesn't solve anything because Pettis technically is an interim champ already, in the sense that he's got a title shot in the bag if he keeps winning and anyone who beats him is going to be elevated into that possition. There are only two ways I'd do an interim title fight: If Edgar is out 12 months (he isn't), I'd sling Pettis in against Maynard. If both Edgar and Maynard are out for 12 months, I'd do Pettis vs Jim Miller. If Pettis faces Jim Miller, he will lose. I rather he face either Maynard or Edgar if either of them are sitting on the longer than the other. I think Miller deserves the next shot AFTER Pettis. And this is coming from a guy that thinks Pettis was extremely impressive. It basically covers any accident or injury that occurs outside the cage (they already took care of injuries that took place inside the cage). And it covers EVERYTHING. So if a guy decides to go snowboarding a week before he's due to fight and breaks his leg, he's covered. If he tears a ligament in his knee grappling, he's covered. If he breaks his thumb trying to become the latest fighter to 'tweet' his way into a fight with Tito Ortiz, he's covered. That's odd. Snowboarding? Yes. Flu's? No. The only things not covered are things like colds, flu etc...and interestingly Staph. Why not Staph? That seems like a gaping hole to me. The UFC are taking care of all the premiums for every fighter on their books and fighters are covered as long as they are under ZUFFA contracts. If they are cut after a loss, the policy covers all injuries sustained in the fight. They get $50,000's worth of coverage per year. Wow. I mean, I would expect they ask the fighters to pull for a part of it, but this is a lot of medical coverage they are giving away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted May 10, 2011 Author Share Posted May 10, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ampulator" data-cite="ampulator" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>That's odd. Snowboarding? Yes. Flu's? No. </div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It's accident and injury cover. I mean, how much does getting the flu cost you financially? The insurance isn't to compensate fighters for lost earnings if they pull out of a fight, just to cover medical expenses. Chicken soup and bed rest isn't gonna break the bank :-p </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> Why not Staph? That seems like a gaping hole to me. </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That made me laugh, intentionally or not :-p It also made me think of this, which you SHOULD NOT look at if you're at all squeemish. It's one of Kevin Randleman's Staph recover pics..</p><p> </p><p> <a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_y55ILMm6kSI/RzNQLT5dJ5I/AAAAAAAAA9c/8ZDdsO1EL2s/s400/Kevin+Randleman+Staph+Recovery2.jpg" rel="external nofollow">http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_y55ILMm6kSI/RzNQLT5dJ5I/AAAAAAAAA9c/8ZDdsO1EL2s/s400/Kevin+Randleman+Staph+Recovery2.jpg </a></p><p> </p><p> It turns out that Staph *might* actually be covered after all...it's probably something that will be clarified in the comming days. </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Wow. I mean, I would expect they ask the fighters to pull for a part of it, but this is a lot of medical coverage they are giving away</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Fighters will have zero out-of-pocket expenses. Zuffa refused to say on the conference call how much this was costing them, other than that is was a substantial amount.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="brashleyholland" data-cite="brashleyholland" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Fighters will have zero out-of-pocket expenses. Zuffa refused to say on the conference call how much this was costing them, other than that is was a substantial amount.</div></blockquote><p> That's really... nice of them, because even regular companies would refuse to give free medical coverage with a limit. That the fighters don't even have to pay a low monthly is rather generous of them.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted May 10, 2011 Author Share Posted May 10, 2011 That's really... nice of them, because even regular companies would refuse to give free medical coverage with a limit. That the fighters don't even have to pay a low monthly is rather generous of them. I guess regular companies give a monthly salary though, whereas UFC guys will get around 3 paydays a year (assuming they stay injury free). The cynical way of looking at it is as an anti-union move. The Fertittas have (and still are) dealing with a ton of union problems and don't want those to migrate into their MMA business as well. Things like this go a long way to bolstering the argument that there is no need for a union. My guess is that a 'minimum payday' will be next, ensuring that all UFC fighters make at least a certain figure win or lose. It also helps with the New York situation, where the lack of insurance for fighters has been used as a weapon against MMA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 I guess regular companies give a monthly salary though, whereas UFC guys will get around 3 paydays a year (assuming they stay injury free). The cynical way of looking at it is as an anti-union move. The Fertittas have (and still are) dealing with a ton of union problems and don't want those to migrate into their MMA business as well. Things like this go a long way to bolstering the argument that there is no need for a union. My guess is that a 'minimum payday' will be next, ensuring that all UFC fighters make at least a certain figure win or lose. It also helps with the New York situation, where the lack of insurance for fighters has been used as a weapon against MMA. That's rather cynical. I don't necessarily think this is a anti-union move, though. If there was a huge uproar for union (which there isn't) this isn't going to stop or mitigate it . However, I don't think competitive, single-athlete, combat sportspeople are friendly to unions-most are self-ambitious, and I doubt a union will be what they are looking for. It's not like there's a Boxer's union, or a Wrestler's union. Is there even a "voluntary association" for boxing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted May 10, 2011 Author Share Posted May 10, 2011 That's rather cynical. I don't necessarily think this is a anti-union move, though. If there was a huge uproar for union (which there isn't) this isn't going to stop or mitigate it . Well there is, and it would, assuming that one of the main reasons for a fighter's union would be to ensure that they get health care. Most fighters I speak to cite health insurance/medical issues as their biggest worry - most are in favour of 'some kind' of union. Now, what you don't see is anyone going out there and activly campaigning for one, because Zuffa are very, very anti-union and if you want to make a living in MMA, you don't go against Zuffa. A guy called Rob Maysey is doing something called the MMAFA (mixed martial arts fighters association) which is fairly union-like in it's aims. Check it out here However, I don't think competitive, single-athlete, combat sportspeople are friendly to unions-most are self-ambitious, and I doubt a union will be what they are looking for. In my experience, most fighters, especially those starting out, want some security with regards to getting paid. Guys get stiffed all the time, especially in states that don't require an Escrow Bond be put up for fighter's show money by the promoter. They also want to be paid if their fight is cancelled at the last minute, they want healthcare (or at least to have their 'in-cage' injuries taken care of), they want financial and legal advice an assistance...there's no reason I can think of for fighters NOT to want a union. It's not like there's a Boxer's union, or a Wrestler's union. Is there even a "voluntary association" for boxing? No, boxing is far to sleazy for that! :-p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantabulous Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 After watching Ben Askren fight at Bellator 40, three things come to mind. He's a really good wrestler, with the right training he's a few years away from being dangerous, and he is SMALL for 170lbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 After watching Ben Askren fight at Bellator 40, three things come to mind. He's a really good wrestler, with the right training he's a few years away from being dangerous, and he is SMALL for 170lbs. I think he might be able to make 155... it will be a big cut, but maybe even 145. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted May 10, 2011 Author Share Posted May 10, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fantabulous" data-cite="Fantabulous" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>After watching Ben Askren fight at Bellator 40, three things come to mind. He's a really good wrestler, with the right training he's a few years away from being dangerous, and he is SMALL for 170lbs.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Agreed. The problem he has is that he has a kind of wiry frame, as opposed to the traditional short, squat frame that most top-class wresters possess. Great for his style of wrestle-grappling, but kinda makes dropping down impossible as there isn't much excess size to get rid off. He was wrestling at 174 in college.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="brashleyholland" data-cite="brashleyholland" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Agreed. The problem he has is that he has a kind of wiry frame, as opposed to the traditional short, squat frame that most top-class wresters possess. Great for his style of wrestle-grappling, but kinda makes dropping down impossible as there isn't much excess size to get rid off. He was wrestling at 174 in college.</div></blockquote><p> Really? Well, I think he CAN, but he really shouldn't cut more weight at this point. If he's winning, then why?</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantabulous Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ampulator" data-cite="ampulator" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Really? Well, I think he CAN, but he really shouldn't cut more weight at this point. If he's winning, then why?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> At the top level, he'll be giving away at least 20lbs. If he can't cut to make 155lbs then he really needs to gain more mass and hope he can still fight at his best. If not, he probably won't be beating any major names.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fantabulous" data-cite="Fantabulous" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>At the top level, he'll be giving away at least 20lbs. If he can't cut to make 155lbs then he really needs to gain more mass and hope he can still fight at his best. If not, he probably won't be beating any major names.</div></blockquote><p> We'll see.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted May 11, 2011 Author Share Posted May 11, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ampulator" data-cite="ampulator" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Really? Well, I think he CAN</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Based on what? He's a near-200lb man, and you think he could do 155/145? That's a quarter of his body weight.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="brashleyholland" data-cite="brashleyholland" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Based on what? He's a near-200lb man, and you think he could do 155/145? That's a quarter of his body weight.</div></blockquote><p> I thought he weighed 170ish. I didn't know he weighed THAT much. I concede the point then. But 200? Really?</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bus Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 If you want to check the link below there are fights from a local MMA event here in Lappeenranta, Finland. It was Lappeenranta Fight Night 6 on last Saturday in the local ice hockey arena. The first seven are the prelim amateur fights. http://vimeo.com/channels/mmalpr There were some international fighters, like Frasier Opie from England and Vincent Del Guerra from France. I don't know, if those names tell any of you anything. The broadcast was done by our local sports streaming team. BTW it's a load of fun working these events, in comparison to being in attendance, as I otherwise would have been. I did the play-by-play announcing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted May 11, 2011 Author Share Posted May 11, 2011 <p>Here's an awesome picture that really hammers home the whole weight cutting phenomenon. </p><p> </p><p> The pic shows from left to right: Alan Belcher, a middleweight (cuts to 185) Joey Beltran, a heavyweight (doesn't cut, fights around 230), and Stephan Bonnar, a light heavyweight (cuts to 205). Crazy huh? </p><p> </p><p> <span>http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b174/brashleyholland/296168527.jpg</span></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i effin rule Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="brashleyholland" data-cite="brashleyholland" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Here's an awesome picture that really hammers home the whole weight cutting phenomenon. <p> </p><p> The pic shows from left to right: Alan Belcher, a middleweight (cuts to 185) Joey Beltran, a heavyweight (doesn't cut, fights around 230), and Stephan Bonnar, a light heavyweight (cuts to 205). Crazy huh? </p><p> </p><p> <span>http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/296168527.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJF3XCCKACR3QDMOA&Expires=1305158713&Signature=2qGdFgoBorg%2B3BohMzt10ylQHEU%3D</span></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Doesn't appear to show the picture. Looks like there is a lot of excess code. I tried to remove after ".jpg" and just paste it in the browser, but ti didn't work either.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted May 12, 2011 Author Share Posted May 12, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="i effin rule" data-cite="i effin rule" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Doesn't appear to show the picture. Looks like there is a lot of excess code. I tried to remove after ".jpg" and just paste it in the browser, but ti didn't work either.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I can see it fine, logged in or not....anyone else?</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_w_w Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="brashleyholland" data-cite="brashleyholland" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I can see it fine, logged in or not....anyone else?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Same.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted May 12, 2011 Author Share Posted May 12, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="brashleyholland" data-cite="brashleyholland" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I can see it fine, logged in or not....anyone else?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Argh, I post this, now I can't see it <img alt=":(" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/frown.png.e6b571745a30fe6a6f2e918994141a47.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted May 12, 2011 Author Share Posted May 12, 2011 Edited the original...hows that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="brashleyholland" data-cite="brashleyholland" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Edited the original...hows that?</div></blockquote><p> BH, I do have one question-do you think certain fighters, especially if they weigh too much to cut to 205, should fight at Heavyweight instead? The fighters are bigger, sure, but they are also less talented, and there is also less Heavyweights in the first place. Smaller fighter pool means you are less likely to be cut. I mean, even if there are more skilled Heavyweights these days... UFC's Heavyweight champion is 244. It's far crime from Crocop's or Fedor's size, but it's something to note.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantabulous Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Len Bentley is such a whiny little bitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shape Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Yeah I know. My take on the whole situation with him vs. Chuck was that Len did fight hard, but he fought hard and lost...Chuck had less of a chance to do his thing. But Javier was just a waste of the slot, guess they wanted to go for one from each team. Either way I'm glad there's actually been some finishes in the last couple of episodes even though this week's fight wasn't that great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantabulous Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 He pissed and moaned about not getting the wild card slot to everyone who would listen, which was almost nobody because they were sick and tired of him bitching forever about it. He also whined and cried (not literally) about Brock not choosing him for the slot, not to mention the constant bitching about Brock in general and not having any respect for him at all but when he confronts Brock about the wild card slot he turns into <span style="font-size:8px;">"Why didn't you pick me for the wild card spot?"</span> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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