Official NBA Discussion Thread

[PeterHilton]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BurningHamster" data-cite="BurningHamster" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>In Australia athletes are photographed simulating sex acts with dogs and digitally penetrate opponents anal cavities (I wish I was making that up) so whatever we talk about doing to them is minor in comparison to what they are already doing.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Then ..again..my bad. </p><p> </p><p> But the statement you made is exactly the kind of thing a racist a-hole here in the states would make. The fact that it took you that long to get that isn't my fault. </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BurningHamster" data-cite="BurningHamster" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>That's okay my loyal subject, but really you should be more sorry for coming off as bit of a knob initially when I was merely voicing a minority opinion that I honestly believe in. I mean, it's bad enough the whole world is more accommodating to your wants than mine without being insulted on top of that.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> There are lots of people with opinions that are in the minority that get completely disregarded and get laughed at or mocked because of it. That's life. Boo freakin hoo.</p>

[BurningHamster]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="PeterHilton" data-cite="PeterHilton" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> There are lots of people with opinions that are in the minority that get completely disregarded and get laughed at or mocked because of it. That's life. Boo freakin hoo.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> There are also loads of slaves and people who play ball in Turkey. Boo freakin hoo.</p>

[BurningHamster]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="PeterHilton" data-cite="PeterHilton" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>But the statement you made is exactly the kind of thing a racist a-hole here in the states would make. The fact that it took you that long to get that isn't my fault. <p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> So the sort of thing you would say then? Also why did you remove the word "aping" from your previous post? It was because of racism wasn't it?</p>

[PeterHilton]

<p>Now you're just trolling</p><p> </p><p>

Again..i misunderstood your intent. But that comment was easy to misunderstand. </p><p> </p><p>

I don't understand your POV. I don't hate rich athletes because they're rich. Your entire argument has been that you want athletes to not be mercenaries and not make as much money as possible? Or that possibly they should be more loyal to their home town? </p><p> </p><p>

Like i said: I don't think you know that much about the history of sports - specifically the history of sports here - because some of the things you said don't make sense in that context. </p><p> </p><p>

I'm sorry that upset you. But every time I (or anyone else) tried to talk about the logic or your argument your response is "blargh regular people do it too" which isn't really a justification because people don't buy tickets to go see regular people work. </p><p> </p><p>

So you unless your plan is to create some glorious utopia where all people are all paid exactly the same no matter what they do or their station in life or how much money their job generates, I can't see where you're coming from...</p><p> </p><p>

Sorry i don't share your POV</p>

[SHaynes23]

<p>We talked about this same subject in my Microeconomics class the other day. Sure other people work very hard for their livings, but the teacher brought up a pretty good point. He probably puts close to the same number of hours in as Albert Pujols, but 50,000 people aren't going to pay 50 bucks to see him talk about elasticity.</p><p> </p><p>

While I believe many professions are underpaid, that's not the point here. These athletes are providing a high level of entertainment to a mass of people who highly demand it. The majority of events from the big four in America are sell-outs, or close to it in most cases with a few exceptions. If people stopped showing up, sure these athletes shouldn't get paid what they do. But as franchises continue to bring in huge dollars, and the players are what drive these franchises, it makes sense that they get their cut.</p>

[BurningHamster]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="PeterHilton" data-cite="PeterHilton" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Load of poop.<p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You don't have to share my POV but yall don't have to be rude. Also I never said blargh. You however did randomly insert the word aping into the middle of a sentence then deleted it. Aping. For no reason at all. In a discussion about a sport primarily played by black males. Aping.</p>

[PeterHilton]

<p>it was a typo. it was inserted randomly in a sentence when i re-wrote something else. so I deleted it. Again..you're clearly trolling</p><p> </p><p> And it's not the same as..</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BurningHamster" data-cite="BurningHamster" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>In fact, I would probably support the NBA more if all of the players were actual slaves and you would occasionally see the coach whipping them during time outs.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Why does that have you upset? Do you honestly not see how that could be misunderstood?</p>

[PeterHilton]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="SHaynes23" data-cite="SHaynes23" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>We talked about this same subject in my Microeconomics class the other day. Sure other people work very hard for their livings, but the teacher brought up a pretty good point. He probably puts close to the same number of hours in as Albert Pujols, but 50,000 people aren't going to pay 50 bucks to see him talk about elasticity.<p> </p><p> While I believe many professions are underpaid, that's not the point here. These athletes are providing a high level of entertainment to a mass of people who highly demand it. The majority of events from the big four in America are sell-outs, or close to it in most cases with a few exceptions. If people stopped showing up, sure these athletes shouldn't get paid what they do. But as franchises continue to bring in huge dollars, and the players are what drive these franchises, it makes sense that they get their cut.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That's it exactly. If you have a problem with athletes getting paid then you basically have a problem with the people who are buying the tickets.</p>

[BurningHamster]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="PeterHilton" data-cite="PeterHilton" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>it was a typo. it was inserted randomly in a sentence when i re-wrote something else. so I deleted it.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Or you subconsciously associate black people with apes. And yes, I have a problem with the people who buy the tickets. What of it?</p>

[PeterHilton]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BurningHamster" data-cite="BurningHamster" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Or you subconsciously associate black people with apes. And yes, I have a problem with the people who buy the tickets. What of it?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> <img alt=":rolleyes:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[Slagaholic]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BurningHamster" data-cite="BurningHamster" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Or you subconsciously associate black people with apes. <strong>And yes, I have a problem with the people who buy the tickets. What of it?</strong></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Then don't post in a thread made for those people. Simple.</p>

[crownsy]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BurningHamster" data-cite="BurningHamster" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Or you subconsciously associate black people with apes. And yes, I have a problem with the people who buy the tickets. What of it?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> So, when you said "slaves who who coachs can whip during timeouts"</p><p> </p><p> you meant the happy go lucky type of slaves of all racial backgrounds and creeds, and we were all in a such a rush to be offended that we incorrectly interpreted your comment, made about a league where a hugely disproportionate number of the employees are African American, as referring to the horrific institution of African slavery by Europeans and are thus the people who brought race into this?</p><p> </p><p> <img alt=":rolleyes:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> It was clearly a comment ment to troll. Why else would you bring slavery into the discussion?</p><p> </p><p> As to your fall back position, that they are paid to much and the problem is the fans who buy tickets, do you have this problem with other industries where the entertainment dollar drives exorbitant salaries because of the revenue generated by leisure?</p><p> </p><p> For instance, do you have a problem with the average movie goer, who makes 20 million dollar a film salaries possible for an actor doing 4-5 months of work?</p><p> </p><p> How about videogame consumers, who allow company CEO's who make 20 million dollars a year, as activision's CEO did last year, for the efforts of teams of thousands of faceless programmers to produce a game?</p><p> </p><p> Is this dislike of people who spend money limited to the NBA or does it encompass all sports. Do you feel this way about MLB,NFL, premier league fans, UFC PPV buyer's ect?</p>

[BurningHamster]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="crownsy" data-cite="crownsy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So, when you said "slaves who who coachs can whip during timeouts"<p> </p><p> you meant the happy go lucky type of slaves of all racial backgrounds and creeds, and we were all in a such a rush to be offended that we incorrectly interpreted your comment, made about a league where a hugely disproportionate number of the employees are African American, as referring to the horrific institution of African slavery by Europeans and are thus the people who brought race into this?</p><p> </p><p> <img alt=":rolleyes:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> It was clearly a comment ment to troll. Why else would you bring slavery into the discussion?</p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I agree, which is why Mr Hilton should not have brought slavery into the discussion. I merely expanded on his earlier comments. </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="crownsy" data-cite="crownsy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> As to your fall back position, that they are paid to much and the problem is the fans who buy tickets, do you have this problem with other industries where the entertainment dollar drives exorbitant salaries because of the revenue generated by leisure?</p><p> </p><p> For instance, do you have a problem with the average movie goer, who makes 20 million dollar a film salaries possible for an actor doing 4-5 months of work?</p><p> </p><p> How about videogame consumers, who allow company CEO's who make 20 million dollars a year, as activision's CEO did last year, for the efforts of teams of thousands of faceless programmers to produce a game?</p><p> </p><p> Is this dislike of people who spend money limited to the NBA or does it encompass all sports. Do you feel this way about MLB,NFL, premier league fans, UFC PPV buyer's ect?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yes to videogame consumers, MLB, NFL, premier league. No to UFC unless they are wearing an Affliction or tapout shirt, in which case they are a yes. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[PeterHilton]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BurningHamster" data-cite="BurningHamster" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yes to videogame consumers, MLB, NFL, premier league. No to UFC unless they are wearing an Affliction or tapout shirt, in which case they are a yes. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> So you're some kind of anti-commercial, anti-big sports, anti-capitalism zealot with a push button about being told his POV isn't that big a deal, because it's the minority.</p><p> </p><p> So -as Slagaholic has said - why post in a thread about sports? Any thread?</p>

[BurningHamster]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="PeterHilton" data-cite="PeterHilton" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So you're some kind of anti-commercial, anti-big sports, anti-capitalism zealot with a push button about being told his POV isn't that big a deal, because it's the minority.<p> </p><p> So -as Slagaholic has said - why post in a thread about sports? Any thread?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I may be a zealot but I am not anti-capitalism, seriously ... why are you guys constantly trying to ascribe various viewpoints, beliefs and ideals to me? I just like sports where loyalty, hatred and rivalry play a larger role than in the current day NBA and by expressing this belief I supposedly support slavery, am some kind of dirty commie, am a racist etc etc? It really says more about you guys and your inability to tolerate those with different views from yourselves than it says about my beliefs on anything.</p><p> </p><p> Just because you are a go kart enthusiast who likes jigsaw puzzles is no reason to make up this kind of nonsense.</p>

[Derek B]

It's getting out of hand in here again. If it continues to do so then I'll just close the thread and warnings will be handed out to everyone involved. This is the second time this thread has been brought to my attention, so keep it civic or keep it off the forum completely.

[PeterHilton]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BurningHamster" data-cite="BurningHamster" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27836" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I may be a zealot but I am not anti-capitalism, seriously ... why are you guys constantly trying to ascribe various viewpoints, beliefs and ideals to me? I just like sports where loyalty, hatred and rivalry play a larger role than in the current day NBA and by expressing this belief I supposedly support slavery, am some kind of dirty commie, am a racist etc etc? It really says more about you guys and your inability to tolerate those with different views from yourselves than it says about my beliefs on anything.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Well I don't know what to say...</p><p> </p><p> I've apologized for the misunderstanding but you seem upset that the misunderstanding even happened even though I've tried to explain why. I'm not the only person who's said that comment could be misconstrued so I don't feel like I was being totally unreasonable there. But again..sorry. </p><p> </p><p> You have the same issues with the music industry and the movie industry. You've said you have issue with the pro sports in your country. You don't like the people that spend money on video games, MLB, the NFL and premier league.</p><p> </p><p> Can you maybe tell us what sport exactly does meet your criteria? Because it just sounds like you're against all major sports. All of them. </p><p> </p><p> Your beliefs are your beliefs but you just seem to be anti-pretty much everything. What would you call that?</p>

[slack]

Is it just me or do assists seem to be WAY up? It's like the days when hometown score keepers kept stats. Like when Scott Skiles got 30 assits in one game.

[GatorBait19]

Listen I will agree with the next person that Players make to much money. As long as people spend the money on tickets and merch. owners are going to continue to pay for them. So if you want players to make less, you tech. have a say in the matter. Boycott sports and owners wont have the money to spend on it......................lmao

[GatorBait19]

Is it just me or do assists seem to be WAY up? It's like the days when hometown score keepers kept stats. Like when Scott Skiles got 30 assits in one game.

 

I don't think it was 30. Unless you were joking, then sorry lol

[PeterHilton]

Nope.

 

http://www.nba.com/magic/news/Scott_Skiles_The_Game_Irsquo-144374-800.html

 

Skiles holds the record still for most assists in a game IIRC

[GatorBait19]

ahh see. I was wrong.

[PeterHilton]

OK..watched the Heat/Celtics again last night..

 

And I'm just incredibly unimpressed by Bosh the more I see him in big games. He's wilted fast and the Heat are getting HAMMERED on the interior. Instead of Jerry Stackhouse, they should've put in a call to Eric Dampier.

 

Even when Miller returns, I can't see them beating the Magic or the Celtics in a 7 game series. Maybe not even Atlanta.

[lazorbeak]

OK..watched the Heat/Celtics again last night..

 

And I'm just incredibly unimpressed by Bosh the more I see him in big games. He's wilted fast and the Heat are getting HAMMERED on the interior. Instead of Jerry Stackhouse, they should've put in a call to Eric Dampier.

 

Even when Miller returns, I can't see them beating the Magic or the Celtics in a 7 game series. Maybe not even Atlanta.

 

Yeah I always found Bosh and LBJ on the same team to be a head-scratching combo. Neither plays physical defense to match their athleticism and the Heat already have a 4 to compliment their superstar players in Haslem, who is a solid role player who rebounds, plays good defense and can make open looks. They would still need a true center, but Bosh and LBJ is almost as useless a combination as LBJ and Jamison. There's only one ball.

 

Notice that Haslem's 33 minutes featured 9 of 10 shooting (all easy looks), 10 rebounds, and a +/- of +9 in a game the Heat lost by 5. Which means in the 15 minutes Haslem didn't play the Heat were outscored by 14.

 

The moral is: team-building shouldn't be based on friendship.

[PeterHilton]

Totally agree...if Lebron had decided to join the Heat to play with Wade, Miami could've found better pieces to compliment those two alone then those two and Bosh.

 

It's almost as if they'd been better off keeping Beasley and/or chasing someone like David Lee or Luis Scola