Mattywood Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Tempest Kane" data-cite="Tempest Kane" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="31205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Week 2... Ric Flair has taken Shane Douglas under his wing. <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Next thing you know, Shawn Michaels and Shane Douglas will forge a strong friendship over a shared love of motorbikes. <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HugeRockStar760 Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Ping von Erich" data-cite="Ping von Erich" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="31205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yeah, the mod does it's best (a narrative activates that just rapes JCP's pop and cash) but doing sims myself, yeah I've found you sort of have to live edit the hell out of JCP to make them fold... (get rid of loyalty notes for guys like Rhodes and Flair so they can be hired away, etc.)</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I wish there was a better way but I guess that's the only way to try to have a seamless transition. Then again, if you are running JCP (let's say as Bill Apter) and you want to continue on with WCW, isn't there a chance WCW won't hire you as the booker?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ping von Erich Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Ping von Erich" data-cite="Ping von Erich" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="31205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Just noticed Steven Regal (current WWE star William Regal) still has the title history of American former AWA mainstay Steve Regal.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Where in the editor do I edit this?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyroman Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Ping von Erich" data-cite="Ping von Erich" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="31205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Where in the editor do I edit this?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Title lineage, but you have to know which ones to edit:</p><p> AWA LH 03</p><p> AWA Tag 39</p><p> CSW Tag 26</p><p> CWA STag 18</p><p> NWA Jr 65</p><p> PNW HW 136</p><p> PNW HW 138</p><p> PNW Tag 83</p><p> PNW Tag 85</p><p> WWA Tag 51</p><p> WWA Tag 53</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ping von Erich Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 Title lineage, but you have to know which ones to edit: AWA LH 03 AWA Tag 39 CSW Tag 26 CWA STag 18 NWA Jr 65 PNW HW 136 PNW HW 138 PNW Tag 83 PNW Tag 85 WWA Tag 51 WWA Tag 53 You sir are a king. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genadi Posted May 23, 2011 Author Share Posted May 23, 2011 You sir are a king. Agreed, thanks Pyroman will update for next version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHK1978 Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 In regards to the WCW situation, I am thinking about just deleting WCW from the database and changing the name at the right time. Yes that means Ted will not take over but it avoids the whole JCP/WCW stuff. And if I were to do this I would get rid of the narratives related to the subject as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomato Can Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 Just downloaded the updated version... I think Does the updated version still show as version 1.0 in the database or did I do something wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genadi Posted May 23, 2011 Author Share Posted May 23, 2011 Just downloaded the updated version... I think Does the updated version still show as version 1.0 in the database or did I do something wrong? Sorry yeah it does, my bad on that one Easy way to check it look at the Era's in the editor, I've deleted the New Generation Era for V1.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Kane Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 In regards to the WCW situation, I am thinking about just deleting WCW from the database and changing the name at the right time. Yes that means Ted will not take over but it avoids the whole JCP/WCW stuff. And if I were to do this I would get rid of the narratives related to the subject as well. This is basicaly what i did. But i also moved WCWs product settings over to JCPs when i changed it all, i did keep the orignal JCP popularity/prestige/money tho. Just makes more sense to me to have 1 company with a bunch of Narratives that just tell you to go edit the name if you want to do so... having 2 companys just dosnt reflect well at all in the game. Dosnt bother me if Genadi does or dosnt adopt my aproach because ill keep editing it back how i like it for my personal games. PS: I made Ted turner debut a few years earlier, put him on the JCP roster and set JCP to be owned by his media company, set him to personality and just forgot about him, thats just for later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genadi Posted May 23, 2011 Author Share Posted May 23, 2011 There are too many "what if" factors imo to not add WCW as a seperate promotion, which in all reality they were. When Turner took over it was far more than just a name change. He got behind the company with one of the worlds biggest checkbooks and changed the product considerably. That's a few of the biggest things he did, the list does goes on. In short I think Turner/WCW and Crockett/JCP were very different promotions (yes I know very well the history) and needed to be represented as such. It's something I thought about and discussed quite a bit with early testers. The ideal scenario would be WCW opening and buying out JCP which is as close to reality as the game can sim. However one major factor I think has been forgotten in this discussion is the earlier mentioned "what if" factor. Especially if someone is playing as JCP, and especially if they're playing as an owner. There were so many things that added to JCP's downfall and Turner's eventual entry into the industry. The only narratives I tried to add were the ones that were inevitable at that point. Crockett had been spending up stupidly while the company wasn't really making money (as mentioned in their narrative) already by '87 so I included it. Had the mod started a year or two earlier I'm not sure I would've added WCW the way that I did. I tried to take every scenario possible into consideration and use March '87 as a starting point. It's well known how competitive Ted Turner was/is and that he had a soft spot for wrestling. It's also well documented how aggressive he was in regards to media expansion during that time. I think chances are he would've entered the business to some extent whether JCP went under or not. Sorry for that long winded explanation but I want to give as much insight as I can on why I made certain decisions with the mod. As always though if better points are raised and better results seen via testing I'll make the change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HugeRockStar760 Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Tempest Kane" data-cite="Tempest Kane" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="31205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>This is basicaly what i did. But i also moved WCWs product settings over to JCPs when i changed it all, i did keep the orignal JCP popularity/prestige/money tho. Just makes more sense to me to have 1 company with a bunch of Narratives that just tell you to go edit the name if you want to do so... having 2 companys just dosnt reflect well at all in the game.<p> </p><p> Dosnt bother me if Genadi does or dosnt adopt my aproach because ill keep editing it back how i like it for my personal games.</p><p> </p><p> PS: I made Ted turner debut a few years earlier, put him on the JCP roster and set JCP to be owned by his media company, set him to personality and just forgot about him, thats just for later.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Another benefit would be maintaining the integrity of the title lineage as well, right?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattyc Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 <p>Two small things that people may want to fix before starting a new game</p><p> </p><p> Dirty White Girl is still set as a male</p><p> </p><p> Ricky Steamboat's 1987 narrative is still set to trigger in 2007.</p><p> </p><p> Just two very minor things I have noticed with the new update that have not been fixed from the original, sorry if you're already aware of them.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ping von Erich Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Genadi" data-cite="Genadi" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="31205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>There are too many "what if" factors imo to not add WCW as a seperate promotion, which in all reality they were. When Turner took over it was far more than just a name change. He got behind the company with one of the worlds biggest checkbooks and changed the product considerably. That's a few of the biggest things he did, the list does goes on. In short I think Turner/WCW and Crockett/JCP were very<p> different promotions (yes I know very well the history) and needed to be represented as such.</p><p> </p><p> It's something I thought about and discussed quite a bit with early testers. The ideal scenario would be WCW opening and buying out JCP which is as close to reality as the game can sim. However one major factor I think has been forgotten in this discussion is the earlier mentioned "what if" factor. Especially if someone is playing as JCP, and especially if they're playing as an owner. There were so many things that added to JCP's downfall and Turner's eventual entry into the industry. The only narratives I tried to add were the ones that were inevitable at that point. Crockett had been spending up stupidly while the company wasn't really making money (as mentioned in their narrative) already by '87 so I included it. Had the mod started a year or two earlier I'm not sure I would've added WCW the way that I did. I tried to take every scenario possible into consideration and use March '87 as a starting point. It's well known how competitive Ted Turner was/is and that he had a soft spot for wrestling. It's also well documented how aggressive he was in regards to media expansion during that time. I think chances are he would've entered the business to some extent whether JCP went under or not. </p><p> </p><p> Sorry for that long winded explanation but I want to give as much insight as I can on why I made certain decisions with the mod. As always though if better points are raised and better results seen via testing I'll make the change <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I like this explanation a lot. It sort of puts my mind at ease.</p><p> </p><p> Screw it, let JCP and WCW exist at the same time... you're right, Turner might have hauled off and started his own promotion whether Crockett ran his checkbook ragged or not. Even in debt Crockett could have turned Turner down and kept the promotion limping along.</p><p> </p><p> I still think I'm going to bump WCW up to national when they debut... and nix the loyalty notes for Flair and Rhodes... just for fun... *grin*</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ping von Erich Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 Misspost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consrvtve Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 1.1 looking great so far. I can't wait for my lunch break so I can play a bit at work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juggaloninjalee Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 <p>Seems logical to put guys like Flair and them on written deals until the day WCW debuts. Don't give Flair and them loyalty to JCP. That way WCW can sign them once they debut in the game.</p><p> </p><p> I may have to begin a diary soon when I have time. I love this mod!</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genadi Posted May 23, 2011 Author Share Posted May 23, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="HugeRockStar760" data-cite="HugeRockStar760" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="31205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Another benefit would be maintaining the integrity of the title lineage as well, right?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Not really, the WCW World Title that was created only a year or so later had no connection to the NWA or it's lineage. Nor did any of the other WCW titles. I should rephrase that, no connection that I think can be modded or worth trying to that would be a better option than the one currently.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Mattyc" data-cite="Mattyc" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="31205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Two small things that people may want to fix before starting a new game<p> </p><p> Dirty White Girl is still set as a male</p><p> </p><p> Ricky Steamboat's 1987 narrative is still set to trigger in 2007.</p><p> </p><p> Just two very minor things I have noticed with the new update that have not been fixed from the original, sorry if you're already aware of them.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Thanks very much, I think a few of those have been reported but I must've missed em. Cheers!</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Ping von Erich" data-cite="Ping von Erich" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="31205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I like this explanation a lot. It sort of puts my mind at ease.<p> </p><p> Screw it, let JCP and WCW exist at the same time... you're right, Turner might have hauled off and started his own promotion whether Crockett ran his checkbook ragged or not. Even in debt Crockett could have turned Turner down and kept the promotion limping along.</p><p> </p><p> I still think I'm going to bump WCW up to national when they debut... and nix the loyalty notes for Flair and Rhodes... just for fun... *grin*</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah that's a fun part of it also, every game I run I'll probably do something different with WCW when they debut depending on the situation. Glad that explanation made sense and you can see where I was coming from while modding.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOnu Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 Did anyone upload 1.1 somewhere ? Megauploads is still giving me errors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genadi Posted May 23, 2011 Author Share Posted May 23, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="MrOnu" data-cite="MrOnu" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="31205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Did anyone upload 1.1 somewhere ? Megauploads is still giving me errors.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Give it five minutes and try again dude, if it doesn't work I'll re-up on a site of your choosing <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consrvtve Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 <p>I love the feeling I get when I raid other companies as WWF. JCP is screwed for the foreseeable future. Road Warriors and Ellering coming up north to dominate my tag scene for the next year along with AA, Tully, and Windham. Stupid loyalty kept flair in JCP but DiBiase will take up that role in my horsemen.</p><p> </p><p> Here's to hoping I can also grow a young Sting, Hennig, HBK, and Gilbert into future stars for the new era of the early 90s.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gungner Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 <p>Yeah, I'm only in June 87 and I already have an almost completely new roster. </p><p> I fired half, and hired as many.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomfreeze Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 I'm struggling to have any gimmick ratings debut over 66. I'm playing the updated version and only have experience using WWF. I'm filtering to exclude gimmicks that don't suit the worker and make sure they are appropriate for face and heel workers. It usually falls to 66, never more, but sometimes less. This has happened on approximately 20 debuting workers. I vaguely remember something about this with real world mods happening in the past, but I usually don't play anything but the default database. Is this happening with other people? I wouldn't consider myself a novice at tew so I'm just sort of at a loss and hoping for some input. Thanks guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denzil85 Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 I'm struggling to have any gimmick ratings debut over 66. I'm playing the updated version and only have experience using WWF. I'm filtering to exclude gimmicks that don't suit the worker and make sure they are appropriate for face and heel workers. It usually falls to 66, never more, but sometimes less. This has happened on approximately 20 debuting workers. I vaguely remember something about this with real world mods happening in the past, but I usually don't play anything but the default database. Is this happening with other people? I wouldn't consider myself a novice at tew so I'm just sort of at a loss and hoping for some input. Thanks guys. Have you looked at the gimmick performance skills at the bottom of the Skills profile? That would give you a further clue of which particular gimmick types that they're stronger with. Momentum, gimmick risk, and difficulty will still come into play, but if you find that they're better with Wholesome or Cool or whatever gimmicks, trying to stick to those would increase you chances of a higher score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HugeRockStar760 Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 On second thought, even though JCP became WCW in real life, this isn't about real life. I like the What If scenario of Crockett telling Turner to stick it and Turner starting WCW in response. Likely, Crockett would've either gone out of business or been forced to a new network but I do like the possibilities of both still being available. Thanks Genadi for keeping that point out there even if I was a bit dense to realize it. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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