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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Devilb0y" data-cite="Devilb0y" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34914" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Oh man, I love Beast Bantom. He's just good at EVERYTHING. Especially for a big guy.<p> </p><p> And while not as good I feel that Hell's Bouncer just fits perfectly into the Sports Entertainment mould as well.</p><p> </p><p> So in my game I've just signed Wolf Hawkins and Joey Minnesota and am bringing them in as sort-of outsiders and starting a massive stable vs stable feud. I tend to rename workers who've spent their entire careers at one company as I imagine that the name would be an IP of that federation but in Wolf's bio it says they picked him up from the indie scene when he was young. Do you think he could keep his name for SWF and if not what would you change it to?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> They are already established as World Champions, personally I would keep their name. At max I would use for Wolf Hawkins his real name, Andrew Hawkins or shortened to Drew Hawkins.</p>
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Swoop McCarthy, Fro Sure, Frogue Element and D-Pod. Check out the renders and you'll see why. and Foxy LaRue (or whatever she's changed her name to now) with her TEW 2010 render. Trust me the stable just writes itself, Plus Swoop, Sure and Element are all actually decent D-Pod is young hell mature in the ring too.
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Kitarzu" data-cite="Kitarzu" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34914" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>In the C-Verse 2014 Swoop has a RAW written contract, not in C-Verse 2013. As Rickymex says Beast Bantom.<p> </p><p> I would add Sebastian Koller, Landon Mallory, Walker Van Cleer, Tsuneyo Yanagimoto, Cole Taylor.</p><p> </p><p> Below also some potential hires from every zone, except Canada & USA, under 25 years old, C-Verse 2014.</p><p> </p><p> From Mexico: Blue Phantom, El Serpiente, Gino Montero, Guerrero Muerto, La Estrella</p><p> From British Isles: War Machine</p><p> From Europe: Konrad Makinen</p><p> From Japan: Orange Tsuchie, Razan Okamoto, Sozen Ishinomori, Tanyu Toshusai</p><p> From Australia: Maurice Jackson, SubUrban Legend</p></div></blockquote>Must just be your game because I had no problem picking up Swoop after I hit International in CV2014.
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Kitarzu" data-cite="Kitarzu" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34914" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> From British Isles: War Machine</p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> War Machine in SWF is a great idea. Team him with a vet for a year (Everest? Enforcer? Flash?) on a b-show or in pre-show and then let him <em>loose</em>.</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Kitarzu" data-cite="Kitarzu" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34914" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>In the C-Verse 2014 Swoop has a RAW written contract, not in C-Verse 2013. As Rickymex says Beast Bantom.<p> </p><p> I would add Sebastian Koller, Landon Mallory, Walker Van Cleer, Tsuneyo Yanagimoto, Cole Taylor.</p><p> </p><p> Below also some potential hires from every zone, except Canada & USA, under 25 years old, C-Verse 2014.</p><p> </p><p> From Mexico: Blue Phantom, El Serpiente, Gino Montero, Guerrero Muerto, La Estrella</p><p> From British Isles: War Machine</p><p> From Europe: Konrad Makinen</p><p> From Japan: Orange Tsuchie, Razan Okamoto, Sozen Ishinomori, Tanyu Toshusai</p><p> From Australia: Maurice Jackson, SubUrban Legend</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'd add El Fuerza from Mexico, Menace from Europe and Warmonger from Australia to this list. They're all very viable monster heels for SWF.</p><p> </p><p> I'd love to bring some puro wrestlers like PRIDE Koiso over as well but I'm pretty sure them being loyal means that'll never happen.</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Boltinho" data-cite="Boltinho" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34914" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>OK leftfield suggestion. how about the barracudas from Australia? <p> </p><p> Not the most talented but 3 ex-convicts from Australia who all have decent menace? That's a ready-made storyline isn't it? Maybe up against Gilmore or Hero Squad?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Hero Squad. Gilmore is too good to be wasted for them.</p><p> </p><p> Speaking of War Machine, a stable of big and strong bad asses like Remo, Primus Allen and War Machine isn't that bad!</p>
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Here's another one I usually start a stable called The Sinners early on Joseph Lust (Joe Sexy), John Green and Josiah Wrath (Primus Allen) and bring in Krissy Angelle (or whatever he rname is) as their manager Joanna Envy. But that still leaves you three more spaces to fill, a fat slob to be (insert name staring with J here) Sloth, A lazy sack to be (another J name) Sloth and and a young good looking kid to be (yet one more J name) Pride.

 


I know there's some one with a render of him just eating donuts might be Devastating Don not sure but who ever it is is on the FCW roster I think. You could take Raphael or Justin Sensitive from RIPW to be your Pride and there was a worker in 2010 called Lazy Joe not sure if he's had a name change but he could be your sloth.

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<p>I say Ox Mastadon (better half of the team) as gluttony and Raphael (better than Justin) as Pride.</p><p> </p><p>

Now sloth seems a little more complicated. The way I see it sloth means lazyness. So what about getting a good wrestler and portraying him as too lazy to improve or train an instead relies on his natural talent to win.</p>

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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Apupunchau@optonline" data-cite="Apupunchau@optonline" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34914" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Here's another one I usually start a stable called The Sinners early on Joseph Lust (Joe Sexy), John Green and Josiah Wrath (Primus Allen) and bring in Krissy Angelle (or whatever he rname is) as their manager Joanna Envy. But that still leaves you three more spaces to fill, a fat slob to be (insert name staring with J here) Sloth, A lazy sack to be (another J name) Sloth and and a young good looking kid to be (yet one more J name) Pride.<p> </p><p> I know there's some one with a render of him just eating donuts might be Devastating Don not sure but who ever it is is on the FCW roster I think. You could take Raphael or Justin Sensitive from RIPW to be your Pride and there was a worker in 2010 called Lazy Joe not sure if he's had a name change but he could be your sloth.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Got to go with Everest as the fat character and Marc DuBois as Pride surely? I hate the pair of them but they'd fit quite naturally into that setup.</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Devilb0y" data-cite="Devilb0y" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34914" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Got to go with Everest as the fat character and Marc DuBois as Pride surely? I hate the pair of them but they'd fit quite naturally into that setup.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I fire both of them day one. Everest is useless a bad worker and a horrible backstage influence I don't care if he has high menace, Dubois is a druggie and a horrible backstage influence. I also get rid of BBS and his partner both Bad backstage influence and there's one more guy I fire can't remember who five in total though. I have no tolerance for that kinda crap in my locker room and they all go day one. I usually have my backstage up to 100% by the first month.</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rickymex" data-cite="Rickymex" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34914" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I say Ox Mastadon (better half of the team) as gluttony and Raphael (better than Justin) as Pride.<p> </p><p> Now sloth seems a little more complicated. The way I see it sloth means lazyness. So what about getting a good wrestler and portraying him as too lazy to improve or train an instead relies on his natural talent to win.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You just made me thing of the <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuH4gGNb4cA" rel="external nofollow">Chuck Taylor Training Montage</a></p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Apupunchau@optonline" data-cite="Apupunchau@optonline" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34914" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I fire both of them day one. Everest is useless a bad worker and a horrible backstage influence I don't care if he has high menace, Dubois is a druggie and a horrible backstage influence. I also get rid of BBS and his partner both Bad backstage influence and there's one more guy I fire can't remember who five in total though. I have no tolerance for that kinda crap in my locker room and they all go day one. I usually have my backstage up to 100% by the first month.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I normally just job them all and then send them to development until their contracts are up; I believe you have to pay them slightly more to fire them than you do to just let their contracts run out although I could be wrong on that.</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BrokenCycle" data-cite="BrokenCycle" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34914" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It is a shame that Remo vs Bruce seems like the go-to feud in the company when they don't work that well together, but honestly it's not the psychology. Remo's lack of selling ability, and Bruce's time decline shouldn't be overlooked either.<p> </p><p> You need to inject someone else into the feud that can main event and lift the match (Rich Money). It's June 2014 Bruce and Remo have been feuding for over a year in my game and they've only been in two one-on-one matches. Oops. But both matches got B-'s, while triple threats and tag matches and such get the ratings expected.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah, selling is also a knock on them too, but Bruce hasn't hit time decline on my game yet, so it's a hard combo of psychology and selling.</p><p> </p><p> In the three one-on-one battles they average below 80, but when I put them in tags or multi-man matches with Money or Gilmore, there's nothing below a 90.</p><p> </p><p> For storyline purposes I want to put them together one more time -- and it's only for STV so if it doesn't grade super-well then it's not the end of the world -- but I wanted to see if anyone has had success with them and if they were doing anything differently.</p>
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<p>Signed most of those guys. Still going to sign more one of these days. A question I have for you guys though, what's the best way to get them to gain popularity and skills? I'm having trouble getting the guys to gain them. Oh, and which guys do you usually build up to ME? I'm trying my hardest to get Angry Gilmore, Valiant, and Rogue to ME. </p><p> </p><p>

Edit: The ones on time decline at the moment is Enforcer Roberts, Vengeance, Squeeky McClean, Christian Faith, Rich Money, Joe Sexy, and Steve Flash(I decided to sign him just because of his amazing performance and his other mediocre stats. He would be a huge help to getting some of the younger guys built up).</p>

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Signed most of those guys. Still going to sign more one of these days. A question I have for you guys though, what's the best way to get them to gain popularity and skills? I'm having trouble getting the guys to gain them. Oh, and which guys do you usually build up to ME? I'm trying my hardest to get Angry Gilmore, Valiant, and Rogue to ME.

 

Edit: The ones on time decline at the moment is Enforcer Roberts, Vengeance, Squeeky McClean, Christian Faith, Rich Money, Joe Sexy, and Steve Flash(I decided to sign him just because of his amazing performance and his other mediocre stats. He would be a huge help to getting some of the younger guys built up).

 

For guys in the undercard B Shows. I love B Shows. You can focus on them, give them storylines and wins over your Enhancement talents. I also suggest having your actual lower card guys (Enhancement Talents and Openers) Be just a handful of guys you hire on 4 month stints. There job is to lose and lose big but once they leave your company when you hire them again they're recent fortunes will have been reset. These will be your real jobbers who's only purpose it is to lose. But since you cycle through them you'll get a momentum reset and a recent fortunes reset every few months. I suggest guys with good selling but yu can pick and choose on your own if you like.

 

As for your times decline guys it depends on how bad in decline they are. Roberts, Sexy and Flash aren't main event guys but have goot in ring skills so you can have them lose to your would be main event guys, also put them in tag teams with younger guys you want to get skill and have them train them. You can still get a lot out of Vengeance even in decline, always just have him in tag matches and protect him but with a high overness and his menace he pull of killer angles for your shows. faith and Money if they aren't in terminal decline can probably still go a few more years before not being able to pull of matches so i would probably still try and keep them in the main event and have them feud with whoever. Either of them could probably still hold your main title and put on amazing matches for another few years.

 

One win over a semi good midcarder or a decent main eventer will get Gilmore over. He beat Eisen in their first PPV match in January (in the 2013 data I haven't really done the 2014 data yet) by DQ and he was an instant main event guy the next day.

 

Also angles, angles, angles. A lot of people will tell you to use a lot of matches but I say less matches more angles. With angles if the angle is good both people will go up in momentum and both peope will gain overness. In a match if the angle is good usually only one person will gain overness, unless it is so much better than the losers overness usually like 20pts or more over, and your loser is going to lose momentum every time and the winner only builds momentum if he beats some one with higher momentum then him. So if you have a match between a guy with 70 overness and 70 momentum and a guy with 70 overness and 60 momentum and the guy with the 70 momentum goes over in a match rated say 80 your 70/70 guy will gain a little overness but no momentum and your 70/60 will both lose overness and momentum. So for every match you have some one is losing momentum every single time but not every time will some one gain momentum and at least for me unless guys are in hot storylines and I end them momentum is one of the hardest things to build. My 1 1/2 hr Supreme TV has three matches on it. If I change to 2 hr I have 4 and a lot of times any ME vs ME match is a draw I usually don't let MEs lose on TV.

 

Also I say angles because especially on TV where workers will not give it there all (you'll see the note in the dirt sheet) in matches they can get some pretty high rated angles. So if I make 60% of the show matches and 40% of the show matches. Even if my main event only ranks out at 80 and according to the match calculation the match portion of the show is 77 you can if you do it right get two 90+ angles and a high 80s angle and since only the top three angles of your show count toward your final grade you've just made 40% of your grade 90 with the 77 for 60 % and now you've dragged your show rating up to 82 or 83. So yeah angles, angles and angles.

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Signed most of those guys. Still going to sign more one of these days. A question I have for you guys though, what's the best way to get them to gain popularity and skills? I'm having trouble getting the guys to gain them. Oh, and which guys do you usually build up to ME? I'm trying my hardest to get Angry Gilmore, Valiant, and Rogue to ME.

 

Edit: The ones on time decline at the moment is Enforcer Roberts, Vengeance, Squeeky McClean, Christian Faith, Rich Money, Joe Sexy, and Steve Flash(I decided to sign him just because of his amazing performance and his other mediocre stats. He would be a huge help to getting some of the younger guys built up).

 

That's a rough roll on the Time Decline. It's common to get Roberts, Vengeance, Faith & Flash but Money and McClean are REALLY valuable to you. At least you avoided Jack Bruce.

 

Personally I'd send Flash down to your development territory to train people as he's not very over and isn't going to get over with his stats in a SE fed, especially when he's in decline. You could realistically do the same thing with Roberts, perhaps after jobbing him out to some younger guys.

 

I find hot storylines and angles are your golden ticket to overness and momentum. Take your new guys, put them in angles with your stars and even if they stand around doing nothing (i.e. 'On Screen' but 'Not Rated' in the angle writer) they're still gaining exposure and momentum from the success of the angle. Matches are great if they're good workers but you'll find yourself jobbing out most of your midcard to get the really talented younger guys over (guys like KC Glenn or Matthew Keith).

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Thanks for all the help you guys have been giving a noob like me. I appreciate it. Now, another question. What are the storylines you guys add into the fray? I try to take Vengeance out of the World title storyline and add in Rich Money, and then give Vengeance a feud with someone like Captain Atomic or, heck even the whole Hero Squad. As for Marat Khoklov, it's not really a storyline per say, it's more of just a match where Khoklov squashes random people every month at the PPV's. I usually always try to write Enforcer Roberts into Eric Eisen's feud with Angry Gilmore someway, always in a supporting role though. I usually do a tag team title storyline where I have The All-Americans, The Biggins', The Bumfhole's, and The Platinum Blondes are all fighting for the titles. I'm a straight up noob at all of this, any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Thanks for all the help you guys have been giving a noob like me. I appreciate it. Now, another question. What are the storylines you guys add into the fray? I try to take Vengeance out of the World title storyline and add in Rich Money, and then give Vengeance a feud with someone like Captain Atomic or, heck even the whole Hero Squad. As for Marat Khoklov, it's not really a storyline per say, it's more of just a match where Khoklov squashes random people every month at the PPV's. I usually always try to write Enforcer Roberts into Eric Eisen's feud with Angry Gilmore someway, always in a supporting role though. I usually do a tag team title storyline where I have The All-Americans, The Biggins', The Bumfhole's, and The Platinum Blondes are all fighting for the titles. I'm a straight up noob at all of this, any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

I would say you've got the right idea but it sounds like you're trying to push a lot of people at once.

 

Generally speaking the best way I find to approach SWF is to build 3 or 4 storylines around the really over guys in your Main Event (as overness is probably the most important value in a Sports Entertainment fed like SWF) and then set aside a couple of less popular workers as your projects who you can try to build by including them in big angles and matches, as well as perhaps giving them their own storyline.

 

Jack Bruce is the obvious contender for your main guy as at 94 Overness he's the biggest star in America. However you've also got Rich Money, Remo and Vengeance hovering around the mid 80s which is still very popular and all of them have the skills to rapidly gain popularity if you wanted to make them your top star.

 

Then just beneath them you've got Christian Faith and Steve Frehley who are pretty popular at around 80 overness, but not really enough to justify a Main Event at a PPV. Some people don't like Frehley as he doesn't really excel in any area but he's very young and can grow into a solid Main Event talent provided you book him to his strengths (i.e. In matches with very talented wrestlers and angles with very talented talkers). Whereas Christian Faith is a legend and can pull an amazing match out of just about anyone with his Performance stats but unfortunately at his age he's going to get hit badly by time decline (which has a negative effect on EVERY match he's in) and every loss is going to have a big impact on his overness and be very hard to recover from. Realistically Faith probably has one high-profile loss left in him at this stage before he's done as a legit Main Event player.

 

So these are the guys who should be the focus of your shows. You can get away with having a couple of 'Projects': UMCs you want to move into the Main Event (Like Rogue, Valiant and Angry Gilmore) or Midcarders than you want to move up the card but any more than two and you'll find yourself running out of TV time and producing sub-par storylines. With that said, always remember that this game is about pushing who you like. Personally I love Rogue and always look to give him a World Title run even though on paper he's not as good as the other guys in the Main Event. So if you find someone you like (and protip: check the re-render threads in the TEW2013 Mod forum, some of the work in there will make you fall in love with new workers) don't be afraid to push them hard!

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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="fusionfx!" data-cite="fusionfx!" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34914" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Thanks for all the help you guys have been giving a noob like me. I appreciate it. Now, another question. What are the storylines you guys add into the fray? I try to take Vengeance out of the World title storyline and add in Rich Money, and then give Vengeance a feud with someone like Captain Atomic or, heck even the whole Hero Squad. As for Marat Khoklov, it's not really a storyline per say, it's more of just a match where Khoklov squashes random people every month at the PPV's. I usually always try to write Enforcer Roberts into Eric Eisen's feud with Angry Gilmore someway, always in a supporting role though. I usually do a tag team title storyline where I have The All-Americans, The Biggins', The Bumfhole's, and The Platinum Blondes are all fighting for the titles. I'm a straight up noob at all of this, any help would be greatly appreciated.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I usually leave all the basic stories they seem right and they have just started in 2013 (Again haven't checked 2014 yet). But I add three more:</p><p> </p><p> 1) Rich Money w/Marat Khoklov vs Lobster Warrior</p><p> </p><p> Lobster Warrior fears that Rich Money is corrupting SWF from within. He seems to have the ear of the men upstairs but Lobby is intent on finding out what he has that gives him hold over them and get SWF back to "normal". Rich Money sees Warrior as little more than a nuisance and tries to dig up dirt on him to get him off his back but can find none. In their first match at the Jan PPV Money won over Lobby by interference from Marat Khoklov who is the hired muscle Money had been alluding to. Their match rated an 86 and even in loss Warrior gained popularity and moved into the Main Event. I ran this feud for awhile, consistently the best matches.</p><p> </p><p> 2) The All-Americans vs Enforcer Roberts and Squeeky McClean</p><p> </p><p> Although like you both were in decline for me it wasn't horrible decline and American Machine and Des Davids could still use a little polishing and what better way than to feud with two talented vets. I ran the story as Roberts and McClean saying that all these young kids don't know what it means to be a wrestler let alone a champion and they were going to bring the titles back to some one more worthy, themselves.</p><p> </p><p> 3) The Sinners</p><p> </p><p> This is my favorite story of all. These guys never wrestle its all just vignettes for months. First on the A show then on the A and B show. Every week its them doing something dastardly Wrath (Primus Allen) and Greet beating up a girls boyfriend so Lust (Joe sexy) can mack on her. Wrath and Lust watching Greed play a poker game and helping him cheat. The by the third one I had Evy (Krissy Angelle) and I did a bar room scene with a brawl and Joe sexy sitting talking to women and greed hustling pool. Each vignette was rated Lust and Greed on Entertainment, Envy on Sex Appeal and Wrath on Menace. They would usually rate out at just over Lust's overness so he would never lose any but all the others would make gains (small gains because you gain less on TV then you do on PPVs) but gians in both skill, overness and momentum. After awhile you start having them interact with other workers. The try and convince Eisen that he should give in and not listen to Gilmore about making changes and with Eisen's overness it boosts the rating and thus their overness gains. And since every vignette is set to minor success for them sooner or later the reach their top success rating and you end the story after their first official match and win in SWF and watch their momentum go up and get them ready for their first feud. (to do this you have to leave them unaligned so any segment they are in counts toward the story.)</p>
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<p>Very detailed answers guys. Thanks alot for your input. You guys are probably getting annoyed with all my questions, but I have another one that's a two part question. What do you do with negative people like Marc DuBois, Everest, and The Pain Alliance? Also, do you ever sign any negative people?</p><p> </p><p>

For my answers, I try to keep DuBois, but get rid of everybody else. As for signing negative people, I have signed Acid and a few others but I've forgotten who the others were.</p>

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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="fusionfx!" data-cite="fusionfx!" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34914" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Very detailed answers guys. Thanks alot for your input. You guys are probably getting annoyed with all my questions, but I have another one that's a two part question. What do you do with negative people like Marc DuBois, Everest, and The Pain Alliance? Also, do you ever sign any negative people?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Send them to the B-Show to feud and transfer overness to new guys with decent storylines</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="fusionfx!" data-cite="fusionfx!" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34914" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>For my answers, I try to keep DuBois, but get rid of everybody else. As for signing negative people, I have signed Acid and a few others but I've forgotten who the others were.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Depends on their worth and position. Joey Minnesota is worth it but Bear Bekowski isn't. Plus when I bring in negative guys they start out at the bottom and don't affect the backstage rating enough.</p>
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