[help] 1970

[Mammoth]

Okay, I'm going to give this whole "make a mod" thing another go but because I've never even shown someone my previous attempts, I thought I'd go through this one in stages so when I make mistakes (and I will) people can point them out as early as possible before a mistake turns into a problem. I don't count myself as a modder and I'm not confident at all that this is going to turn out how I want it to, but I've had a lot of free time on my hands recently so I thought I'd give it one final attempt.

 

Anyway, I thought this would be a good first stage as I've finished all the companies I could think of from that period and beyond, including their owners and founders. What do I want you to do? Basically look through it, point out any areas that need improving, any areas that are wrong and/or any areas you think I've missed. Just remember that I haven't included things like WWE or WCW (so don't ask where they are) because they were formed from WWWF and JCP respectively; I really want this to be a mod where the wrestling world turns out the way the player wants it to (almost like an alternate reality) rather than how it actually did. Anyway, I really haven't got anything else to say, if you have any questions or thoughts, please share them with me because as I say, I want as much help as possible.

 

Links: Database and Pictures

 

I've included the pictures although it's not even remotely complete because I know some people won't even look through a mod if they don't have pictures, but I also want people to make sure they're the right logos. By the way, you'll see that I haven't included just companies in the download, but that's really what I've been concentrating on; everything else is just little things that I've filled in on the ride. Things that I've noticed while researching the different companies that I thought I may forget/not see again so jotted it down while I had the chance. Anyway, there you go... please be gentle with me.

[Showtime4Lajf]

<p>This looks really interesting! Can't say I know a whole lot about wrestling from this period, just the more famous stuff, but I'll download this and take a look when I get a chance. I've always thought it would be cool to see mods from this far back even if it's hard to find footage to go by.</p><p> </p><p>

There seems to be a few wrestling history buffs around here, so hopefully this gains some traction. My interest is piqued, anyway. Good luck with it, I'll add anything if I can.</p><p> </p><p>

BTW: If you haven't already checked it out, <a href="http://greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=524746" rel="external nofollow">DerekB's Mod-Making Guide</a> is a good place to find out about how mods should be put together from a game mechanics point-of-view.</p>

[DanMTheMan]

Looks neat so far Mammoth! Can't wait to hear more about how this thing is coming along!

[MartinC]

What can I do to help you?

[Mammoth]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Showtime4Lajf" data-cite="Showtime4Lajf" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="37186" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>This looks really interesting! Can't say I know a whole lot about wrestling from this period, just the more famous stuff, but I'll download this and take a look when I get a chance. I've always thought it would be cool to see mods from this far back even if it's hard to find footage to go by.<p> </p><p> There seems to be a few wrestling history buffs around here, so hopefully this gains some traction. My interest is piqued, anyway. Good luck with it, I'll add anything if I can.</p><p> </p><p> BTW: If you haven't already checked it out, <a href="http://greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=524746" rel="external nofollow">DerekB's Mod-Making Guide</a> is a good place to find out about how mods should be put together from a game mechanics point-of-view.</p></div></blockquote><p> Yeah, I can't say I knew a whole lot before I started, but fortunately people have written about wrestling (past and present) for years and with the rise of websites like WrestlingData and Cagematch, information is out there on almost every wrestling era. I did want to go right back to the formation of the NWA (1948) but it was pretty evident early on that that was pushing it. xD Any help - no matter how tiny or insignificant you may think it is - would be greatly appreciated, thank you.</p><p> </p><p> DerekB's Mod-Making Guide is actually what first got me into the mod-making aspects of TEW so I'll be following it as closely as possible, don't worry about that. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png"></p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="DanMTheMan" data-cite="DanMTheMan" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="37186" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Looks neat so far Mammoth! Can't wait to hear more about how this thing is coming along!</div></blockquote><p> Thanks, I'll be sure to keep those of you who are interested informed. This can't even be considered a 'hype' thread because it's so early in it's development, but I'm glad you're excited already.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="MartinC" data-cite="MartinC" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="37186" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>What can I do to help you?</div></blockquote><p> Well, right now, as all I've done is assemble the companies, their owners, founders and bookers, all I really want/need is people to look through them to ensure I haven't mistaken something. In this time period, pretty much every company went by "All Star Wrestling", "Big Time Wrestling" or a multitude of other generic names, so it can be very easy to confuse one promotion with another. It would also be nice if people were to look through the products and popularities, to ensure there isn't anything out of place and/or I've exaggerated a companies popularity at that time. Just remember, almost every company was at regional level back then so unfortunately there is a set limit to how much I can up them without the balance of play being biased towards one promotion. And while I'm on promotions, if there are any promotions (past or present) that people would like to see included, let me hear 'em. Just remember, they can't be formed from any of the existing promotions, because that's up to the player whether or not that's the route they want to take.</p><p> </p><p> Looking through the statistics of some of the workers would also be a big help, pointing out if you feel I've over-evaluated someone or on the flip-side, under-evaluated someone. Popularity again here is something I'm particularly worried about. In my opinion, I think wrestlers are naturally going to be more popular than the places they work for because as the written contract wasn't even in consideration in this time period, they'd gain their popularity in all manners of ways from all manners of places. Particularly the superstars (holders of the NWA Heavyweight Championship) as they'd be talked of all around the world. </p><p> </p><p> I think that's all I opened this thread up for to be honest, so - in short - people could look through what I have already and point out any mistakes so I can correct them before they get out of hand. In the future though, I'd <em>love</em> some help with the television side of things. The television side of TEW has always been an area of confusion for me. If someone could provide me with a list of TV networks from the 70s, their range, size etcetera and any wrestling shows they held at the time, I'd be more than grateful, I'd be forever in your debt.</p><p> </p><p> After all that? Well, any information you think would be handy, I'd be grateful for. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png"></p>

[K-Nection]

I love historical mods but unfortunately i was born in 86 so i would not be any help on this one but if you do finish it I would be more than glad to help you with anything glaringly obvious.

[BHK1978]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Mammoth" data-cite="Mammoth" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="37186" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Looking through the statistics of some of the workers would also be a big help, pointing out if you feel I've over-evaluated someone or on the flip-side, under-evaluated someone. Popularity again here is something I'm particularly worried about. In my opinion, I think wrestlers are naturally going to be more popular than the places they work for because as the written contract wasn't even in consideration in this time period, they'd gain their popularity in all manners of ways from all manners of places. Particularly the superstars (holders of the NWA Heavyweight Championship) as they'd be talked of all around the world. <p> </p><p> I think that's all I opened this thread up for to be honest, so - in short - people could look through what I have already and point out any mistakes so I can correct them before they get out of hand. In the future though, I'd <em>love</em> some help with the television side of things. The television side of TEW has always been an area of confusion for me. If someone could provide me with a list of TV networks from the 70s, their range, size etcetera and any wrestling shows they held at the time, I'd be more than grateful, I'd be forever in your debt.</p><p> </p><p> After all that? Well, any information you think would be handy, I'd be grateful for. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> First off thank you for making this mod, I love historical mods so as soon as I am done writing this I will be downloading it and checking it out.</p><p> </p><p> At one time I was trying to make a fictional mod set in the early 80's and I ran across the same problem as you. What to do about popularity.</p><p> </p><p> I only spent a year and a couple of months living in the 70's so I have no clue as to how popular certain wrestlers were. I know Bruno was huge in the Northeast with that being the major media market in the United States I would think he should have some sort of national popularity. I am pretty sure he was known outside his territory but I am not sure just how popular he was.</p><p> </p><p> There used to be a couple of people who posted on here whose knowledge was very good in regards to 70's wrestling, however neither one of them has posted much on here over the past couple of years.</p><p> </p><p> As far as television goes, well that might be a little tricky. Back then you pretty much had the big three networks (ABC, CBS, NBC) and that was it. To my knowledge (If I am wrong I am sure someone will correct me and then want to argue with me for ten pages about why I was wrong.<img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />) no network showed wrestling until Saturday Night's Main Event. There was wrestling on network television back in the 50's as the DuMont Network used to show it but after the 50's I am not sure if any major network showed wrestling until the 80's. </p><p> </p><p> Wrestling was shown on various network-affiliates so that is why I say television at that time could be tricky. Because they were not on the actual network they were on the affiliates of the networks, so do you as the mod maker separate say WMCT (Who broadcasted Memphis wrestling) from whatever network it was affiliated with at the time?</p><p> </p><p> That is something I am not sure about. I guess you would probably have to do so but their range would not be very good as they are only an affiliate. </p><p> </p><p> You might not want to have television in the mod at all, that way it saves you a huge headache. Back then television was only used to sell the house shows so it was not as important as it is today.</p>

[Jaysin]

You can set networks to open at a later date and just have no one start with television deals.

[K-Nection]

one thing i had done on personal mods were make very small and tiny networks that would only cover regions exclusively they would not raise your pop very much but you can raise your attendance quicker than just doing house shows

[Mammoth]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="K-Nection" data-cite="K-Nection" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="37186" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I love historical mods but unfortunately i was born in 86 so i would not be any help on this one but if you do finish it I would be more than glad to help you with anything glaringly obvious.</div></blockquote><p> Thank you. I wasn't expecting hundreds or even tens of mistakes to be found at this stage, not because I don't think I've made them, but because mistakes are more often than not found in the playing process, so the more people play when I have finished, the better. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png"></p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BHK1978" data-cite="BHK1978" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="37186" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>First off thank you for making this mod, I love historical mods so as soon as I am done writing this I will be downloading it and checking it out.<p> </p><p> At one time I was trying to make a fictional mod set in the early 80's and I ran across the same problem as you. What to do about popularity.</p><p> </p><p> I only spent a year and a couple of months living in the 70's so I have no clue as to how popular certain wrestlers were. I know Bruno was huge in the Northeast with that being the major media market in the United States I would think he should have some sort of national popularity. I am pretty sure he was known outside his territory but I am not sure just how popular he was.</p><p> </p><p> There used to be a couple of people who posted on here whose knowledge was very good in regards to 70's wrestling, however neither one of them has posted much on here over the past couple of years.</p><p> </p><p> As far as television goes, well that might be a little tricky. Back then you pretty much had the big three networks (ABC, CBS, NBC) and that was it. To my knowledge (If I am wrong I am sure someone will correct me and then want to argue with me for ten pages about why I was wrong.<img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png">) no network showed wrestling until Saturday Night's Main Event. There was wrestling on network television back in the 50's as the DuMont Network used to show it but after the 50's I am not sure if any major network showed wrestling until the 80's. </p><p> </p><p> Wrestling was shown on various network-affiliates so that is why I say television at that time could be tricky. Because they were not on the actual network they were on the affiliates of the networks, so do you as the mod maker separate say WMCT (Who broadcasted Memphis wrestling) from whatever network it was affiliated with at the time?</p><p> </p><p> That is something I am not sure about. I guess you would probably have to do so but their range would not be very good as they are only an affiliate. </p><p> </p><p> You might not want to have television in the mod at all, that way it saves you a huge headache. Back then television was only used to sell the house shows so it was not as important as it is today.</p></div></blockquote><p> Yeah, Bruno Sammartino is definitely going to be one of the, if not THE biggest star in my mod. At the start of 1970, he was still enjoying his first reign as WWWF Champion after 7 years with the belt, so he's going to be huge across North America and out of everyone (apart from the NWA Champions) his popularity will probably spread globally.</p><p> </p><p> I've pretty much got the huge networks covered because they've been in every mod ever, so I've gradually got a good grasp on them. It's not necessarily the names of the networks/channels either, because when I find a promotions show, they usually come with the channel that have shown them too. It's the mechanics of the networks/channels I struggle with; size, patience, their ranges etcetera. Maybe I'll contact Genadi and see if I can import some of his networks/channels from his 1987 mod, because I do feel like I need to include some of the smaller channels because as you rightly said, no one was on a major network at that time so it would be kinda pointless if that's all I included. I have already got "AJW TV" on Fuji TV, "All Star Wrestling" on CHAN-TV and "Wrestling at the Chase" on KPLR-TV, so I'm gradually feeling more confident.</p><p> </p><p> Anyway, thanks for you best wishes and your enthusiasm. I'm really looking forward to finishing it, and it's great to hear others are too. That time period with some of the true legends of sports still competing and with the likes of Ric Flair still to come, if I get it right, I'm hoping it's going to be really fun.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="37186" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You can set networks to open at a later date and just have no one start with television deals.</div></blockquote><p> Yeah, I'm going to throw in some networks/channels that'll open later, but I'd really like to include the TV shows and their networks from that era where applicable and possible, to make it a little more authentic if nothing else. As I said before, I'll contact Genadi to ask him about his 1987 mod, that'll probably solve a lot of my issues. Thank you nevertheless. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png"></p>

[Mammoth]

Question, would people care if I made custom referees? I've found some information on a couple of referees from that era but it's almost impossible (unless someone can help) to find information on most of them, so I find myself in a bit of a jam.

 

What I'll do if you're all okay with it is use their names (because I've found quite a lot of their names) but basically make up the rest of the information as I go.

[DanMTheMan]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Mammoth" data-cite="Mammoth" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="37186" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Question, would people care if I made custom referees? I've found some information on a couple of referees from that era but it's almost impossible (unless someone can help) to find information on most of them, so I find myself in a bit of a jam. <p> </p><p> What I'll do if you're all okay with it is use their names (because I've found quite a lot of their names) but basically make up the rest of the information as I go.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> IMO, go ahead. It's a ref!</p>

[Jaysin]

At least in my mind, memories weren't really memorable until Tommy Young. So I think it's no biggie if you use custom refs for the time period.

[Mammoth]

Firstly, thanks for the replies regarding the referees. Secondly, here is what I've got so far if you're interested:

 

Links: Database and Pictures

 

Things are very slowly coming together (the most time consuming thing is past employment and the descriptions, because I want it to be a mod that those who don't know a lot about the time period still get a good feel of it so I'm trying to put a lot of detail into everything) and I'm surprisingly happy with what I've got so far. Locations would be a big help to me this time, so if you can think of any locations from 1970 that I've missed, I'd love to hear about them.

 

By the way, all credits will be given upon release, I'm not being ignorant.

[Mattywood]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="DanMTheMan" data-cite="DanMTheMan" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="37186" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>IMO, go ahead. It's a ref!</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Echoing Dan's thoughts. The only real life refs you would need would be the ones that are already in other databases, and most of them are Yet to Debut(Tommy Young as Jaysin mentioned, the Hebners, David Manning, James Beard, etc.). Bronco Lubich was around back in the 70s, I believe. According to Wikipedia, his last year as an active wrestler was 1971, and he worked as a heel manager in 1972. But then in 1973 is when he started refereeing. Dick Woerhle and Dick Kroll I believe might have been around back then. Woerhle reffed the WWF's(then WWWF) Philadelphia Spectrum shows, and Kroll reffed the WWF's Madison Square Garden shows. Though I think Kroll may have debuted later in the decade, not 1970 itself. Not sure.</p>

[Mammoth]

Echoing Dan's thoughts. The only real life refs you would need would be the ones that are already in other databases, and most of them are Yet to Debut(Tommy Young as Jaysin mentioned, the Hebners, David Manning, James Beard, etc.). Bronco Lubich was around back in the 70s, I believe. According to Wikipedia, his last year as an active wrestler was 1971, and he worked as a heel manager in 1972. But then in 1973 is when he started refereeing. Dick Woerhle and Dick Kroll I believe might have been around back then. Woerhle reffed the WWF's(then WWWF) Philadelphia Spectrum shows, and Kroll reffed the WWF's Madison Square Garden shows. Though I think Kroll may have debuted later in the decade, not 1970 itself. Not sure.

Thank you for the further information.

 

I have a good knowledge (or rather I know where to find information xD) on the referees in the 80s and beyond, for example I know Tommy Young debuts in 1973, Earl Hebner in the mid 80s, David Manning early 80s and James Beard in 1979. Dave Hebner actually debuted in 1963 though, refereeing and competing under a mask (so the fans wouldn't be confused by an official wrestling) using the moniker, The Golden Eagle, he was more or less just a filler but as he wasn't recognised as a full-time referee until the late 1970s, he'll start as a wrestler in my mod... maybe just a semi-active wrestler. Yeah, Dick Woehrle started in the mid to late 60s and Dick Kroll had two years as a professional wrestler (from 1958) but became a full-time referee in 1960, so they'll both be in the mod from the start.

 

As I said before, I've found quite a lot of names from that era but the actual information is pretty non-existent so what I'll do is take their names but make up everything else as I go. Fortunately, every roster that I've done so far has wrestlers in their late 40's who have taken on a refereeing role so I haven't had to worry about them. What I'm worried about more than anything is not having enough of them because I do like to have 6-7 free agents who can don the black and white stripes. Anyway, once again, thank you. I'm happy in the knowledge that people won't/don't care too much about referees and I can happily make them up. xD

[alvarasus]

Looks very interesting and promising. If I am right there 3 mods that can be taken that far back and work. Mine and the two it was built off of D.O.T.T. and T.G.A. But thats helluva alot of workers. So my question is did you make a cutoff year when it comes to workers debuting? Mammoth I dont have a laptop so thats why I am asking. Is the NWF going to debut and be interesting to see how you handle Tennessee in the later years plus Georgia. Considering Ray Gunkel death brings war in Georgia. Is WCW going to be In Australia? Jim Barnett ran it if you didn't know.

[Mammoth]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="alvarasus" data-cite="alvarasus" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="37186" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Looks very interesting and promising. If I am right there 3 mods that can be taken that far back and work. Mine and the two it was built off of D.O.T.T. and T.G.A. But thats helluva alot of workers. So my question is did you make a cutoff year when it comes to workers debuting? Mammoth I dont have a laptop so thats why I am asking. Is the NWF going to debut and be interesting to see how you handle Tennessee in the later years plus Georgia. Considering Ray Gunkel death brings war in Georgia. Is WCW going to be In Australia? Jim Barnett ran it if you didn't know.</div></blockquote><p> Thank you. I've seen your work before and I think I'm right in saying Matt Shannon's mod is going to be based on yours, which I think says a lot. So, you even looking over mine means a lot. </p><p> </p><p> My mod isn't actually based on anyone else's mod, every worker is being made from scratch. There are some things I'm importing, things like Networks that quite frankly, I really struggle with. But yeah, the workers are all going to be my own creations so I'm not making any promises that they'll work, but here's hoping. xD As for any "cutoff year" for debuting workers, I'm hoping to go right up to 2013/2014. However, I'll only be including those of note as not to completely bulk up the mod to the point it's nearly unplayable. For example, you'll have your Hulk Hogan's, The Rock's, John Cena's, CM Punk's etcetera but probably don't expect 2 Tuff Tony, Rich Swann etcetera.</p><p> </p><p> The NWA Buffalo Office has literally just transformed into the National Wrestling Federation (NWF) so like most things in my mod, it'll be up to the player how it goes. I want my mod to play out almost like a fantasy mod, I'm not necessarily going to set things up to play-out like they did in real life so the World Wide Wrestling Federation will only become the WWF if the player wants it too, I'm not going to set anything up to ensure it happens. I think the whole point of history mods is so people can change history, rather than play through it. Same applies to Georgia, because I'm not going to have any set deaths either because I think it would be much more fun to see how the world would play out if some of these guys survived. However, as for Tennessee, Jerry Jarrett will be splitting from Mid-America, so you'll have to wait and see how that plays out. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png"></p><p> </p><p> I don't currently have any Australian promotions, but I've been thinking about including WCW Australia for a while actually so it may be something I add before release. Especially as they had a TV programme on the Nine Network and during the 70s, anybody who's anybody did a tour of Australia. In fact, just thinking about it has made me want to include them, so if I was you, I'd expect WCW Australia to be in the next update. xD</p><p> </p><p> Seriously, if you get a chance to look through it properly alvarasus, I'd really appreciate your input. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png"> Merry Christmas.</p>

[Basmat01]

Bruno Sammartino just did a kayfabe commentaries history of the WWE during the 60's. after watching some clips he does give abit of sense of what it could of been like during that time. I mean I had no clue he didn't like Buddy Rogers lol

[Basmat01]

I should also add that it does seem like a lot of big stars during that time <strong>could</strong> have some ego/selfish/ruthless/manipulative personality issues mostly due to some of them the being extra protective of there reputation and image. Most of them wouldn't job to just anybody. I guess the bigger the draw the bigger payday the star gets.

[Mammoth]

Another preview if you're interested. Nothing in particular I need you to look through this time but if you'd give it a general looking over to see if there is anything in particular you feel needs addressing at this point, I'd be very grateful.

 

Links: Database and Pictures

 

Right in the middle of EMLL's roster at the moment. There were next to no records for EMLL in 1970 so I've cheated a little bit with them by including guys who worked for them between 1965 and 1970. It's a very slow process as I'm doing everything by scratch but I'm hoping things will gradually get quicker as I add workers because obviously I'll find workers I've already created working for other promotions down the line. So yeah, any suggestions/questions/etcetera, I'm all eyes and ears.

 

Oh, and thank you, Basmat. I do a lot of research on people to find any potential relationships and personality traits but I didn't know that one about Bruno Sammartino.

[Mattywood]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Mammoth" data-cite="Mammoth" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="37186" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Another preview if you're interested. Nothing in particular I need you to look through this time but if you'd give it a general looking over to see if there is anything in particular you feel needs addressing at this point, I'd be very grateful.<p> </p><p> <strong>Links:</strong> <a href="https://www.mediafire.com/?falkexcpv7p32c0" rel="external nofollow">Database</a> and <a href="https://www.mediafire.com/?ua3tddmt5n7j45f" rel="external nofollow">Pictures</a></p><p> </p><p> Right in the middle of EMLL's roster at the moment. There were next to no records for EMLL in 1970 so I've cheated a little bit with them by including guys who worked for them between 1965 and 1970. It's a very slow process as I'm doing everything by scratch but I'm hoping things will gradually get quicker as I add workers because obviously I'll find workers I've already created working for other promotions down the line. So yeah, any suggestions/questions/etcetera, I'm all eyes and ears. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> Oh, and thank you, Basmat. I do a lot of research on people to find any potential relationships and personality traits but I didn't know that one about Bruno Sammartino.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Quick question, should I download the earlier picture pack? Reason I ask, I think there were only two belts in this most recent one(not counting the background cut).</p>

[K-Nection]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Mammoth" data-cite="Mammoth" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="37186" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Another preview if you're interested. Nothing in particular I need you to look through this time but if you'd give it a general looking over to see if there is anything in particular you feel needs addressing at this point, I'd be very grateful.<p> </p><p> <strong>Links:</strong> <a href="https://www.mediafire.com/?falkexcpv7p32c0" rel="external nofollow">Database</a> and <a href="https://www.mediafire.com/?ua3tddmt5n7j45f" rel="external nofollow">Pictures</a></p><p> </p><p> Right in the middle of EMLL's roster at the moment. There were next to no records for EMLL in 1970 so I've cheated a little bit with them by including guys who worked for them between 1965 and 1970. It's a very slow process as I'm doing everything by scratch but I'm hoping things will gradually get quicker as I add workers because obviously I'll find workers I've already created working for other promotions down the line. So yeah, any suggestions/questions/etcetera, I'm all eyes and ears. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> Oh, and thank you, Basmat. I do a lot of research on people to find any potential relationships and personality traits but I didn't know that one about Bruno Sammartino.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> not a fan of this joey ryan cut......maybe a different angle would be nice</p>

[Mammoth]

Quick question, should I download the earlier picture pack? Reason I ask, I think there were only two belts in this most recent one(not counting the background cut).

No, every pic pack uploaded will be the full version. The reason there are only two belts is because I've only created two belts thus far. I started doing them thinking "I'll do some belts to give myself a rest from the workers" only to realise how much easier it would be if I did the workers first and then the belts so I can link the lineages as I go rather than having to go back through them.

 

not a fan of this joey ryan cut......maybe a different angle would be nice

xD Believe it or not, I included that one on purpose; it just oozed sleaze. None of the pictures are set in stone though so if other people are of the same disposition towards Joey's balls, you can expect it to be removed/changed.

[K-Nection]

Hey nothing screams sleaze like a nice pair in your face lol