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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="justtxyank" data-cite="justtxyank" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="37696" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It starts January 1991. (Unless someone sees that the start date is wrong?)<p> </p><p> The game can't properly account for all contract situations.</p><p> </p><p> Dusty and Dustin Rhodes had already signed with WCW when they made their Rumble appearance. WCW had been advertising the return of Dusty Rhodes for weeks before he actually showed back up. </p><p> </p><p> On Shane Douglas, that is actually just a miss. I didn't realize he was in the WWF in January 1991.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I figured that was the case. Shane Douglas isn't that big of a deal.</p><p> </p><p> The storylines have always seemed weird to me but maybe they had already begun by January <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="RatedRKO16" data-cite="RatedRKO16" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="37696" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I figured that was the case. Shane Douglas isn't that big of a deal.<p> </p><p> The storylines have always seemed weird to me but maybe they had already begun by January <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Which storylines seem weird to you?</p><p> </p><p> The descriptions may sound a little advanced, but that's just to remind you of the storyline.</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="justtxyank" data-cite="justtxyank" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="37696" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Which storylines seem weird to you?<p> </p><p> The descriptions may sound a little advanced, but that's just to remind you of the storyline.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That's all it is. My bad. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>
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Thanks for all the hard work on this mod. I do want to let you know that you're forgetting Motor City Madman in WCW. He was brought in around this time to battle Luger at Clash Of The Champions and then went on to teaming with Big Cat in the tag ranks for awhile.
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="justtxyank" data-cite="justtxyank" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="37696" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Bump so people see this and not the other thread first.<p> </p><p> Any feedback on gameplay? Anyone come across any interesting narratives?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'm finally getting some quality time with this mod and am having a blast. Playing as Bischoff (ew!) running WCW with a massively bloated roster including a development territory. All of the narratives are really neat. I signed both the Fantastics and Rock 'n' Roll Express just before that particular story popped up. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> Thinking of having Sid turn on the Horsemen and join the invading Gary Hart and his hoss stable with both Bam Bams, Vader, and Hansen. This is so rad! Thank you again for your wonderful work!</p>
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Are there going to be more PPV companies debuting in the future in this mod? I didn't know if that was possible or not. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="RatedRKO16" data-cite="RatedRKO16" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="37696" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Are there going to be more PPV companies debuting in the future in this mod? I didn't know if that was possible or not. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> InDemand will come along and others will close. I revamped the ppv system. I learned a lot about ppv doing research before this release. Most of the cable systems that were listed as ppv providers were really just distributing Viewer's Choice or inDemand. They are not their own provider. </p><p> </p><p> I think some might open up internationally.</p><p> </p><p> But PPV is probably a lot less accessible in this mod than others is my guess. There are not several ppv distributors available of all sizes in every country.</p>
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<p>Speaking of television, I do want to point out kudos for splitting up the BBC. As much as I made use of the channel in my WCW diary in order to get international exposure in a lot of countries, I feel completely wrong as a person because I know that BBC has several channels, not just the one.</p><p> </p><p>

Looking around, possibly the only thing I can think of changing is wasn't Roddy Piper involved in the Virgil storyline? Or wasn't he added to that yet?</p>

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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Beejus" data-cite="Beejus" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="37696" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Speaking of television, I do want to point out kudos for splitting up the BBC. As much as I made use of the channel in my WCW diary in order to get international exposure in a lot of countries, I feel completely wrong as a person because I know that BBC has several channels, not just the one.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Thanks, I put a lot of effort into redoing the tv situation. International exposure was too high (is in most mods) on channels. Channels in the US being broadcast all over the world is not realistic whatsoever. Certain parts of Canada may be able to get American channels, but it's not because we have broadcast rights there. </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="37696" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Looking around, possibly the only thing I can think of changing is wasn't Roddy Piper involved in the Virgil storyline? Or wasn't he added to that yet?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Not in the storyline yet if I recall. I believe Virgil turns face shortly after the game begins and that is when Piper gets involved. I think. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>
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LOL, i don't want to leave my game that is now in August 92, but i do want to make a game with 4.0, it is very awesome...

 

I guess i'll just import the new things into my game.

 

Kudos to you, yank. Keep up the good work.

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<p>The new version looks good, I'll fire up a game once I decide which of the Big 2 I'm gonna take to global dominance...</p><p> </p><p>

One thing I noticed is that Dustin and Dusty Rhodes are already signed to WCW even though they had a match at the 1991 Royal Rumble (against DiBiase and Virgil). I don't know if that's on purpose (they did both sign with WCW very soon after), but as of January 1st 1991 they were most definitely in the WWF and not WCW.</p>

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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Nachtfalter" data-cite="Nachtfalter" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="37696" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The new version looks good, I'll fire up a game once I decide which of the Big 2 I'm gonna take to global dominance...<p> </p><p> One thing I noticed is that Dustin and Dusty Rhodes are already signed to WCW even though they had a match at the 1991 Royal Rumble (against DiBiase and Virgil). I don't know if that's on purpose (they did both sign with WCW very soon after), but as of January 1st 1991 they were most definitely in the WWF and not WCW.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Already addressed. Dusty and Dustin had actually already signed with WCW by the first week of January 1991. The game can't simulate this type of situation to start a game. WCW had already advertised the return of Dusty Rhodes before the Royal Rumble match. </p><p> </p><p> If a player wants to adjust that to keep Dusty (and Dustin) in the WWF, feel free. But the best way to reflect the situation that occurred in real life in the game world (imo) is to go ahead and have them start with WCW.</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="justtxyank" data-cite="justtxyank" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="37696" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Already addressed. Dusty and Dustin had actually already signed with WCW by the first week of January 1991. The game can't simulate this type of situation to start a game. WCW had already advertised the return of Dusty Rhodes before the Royal Rumble match. <p> </p><p> If a player wants to adjust that to keep Dusty (and Dustin) in the WWF, feel free. But the best way to reflect the situation that occurred in real life in the game world (imo) is to go ahead and have them start with WCW.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Or you could set them up on PPA deals with both, with the WWF one expiring in 1 week/month/whatever seems most logical...?</p><p> </p><p> You could put "simmering tension" relationships with Vince for both of them, to avoid them re-signing with WWF. Those kind of relationships goes away over time, if not worsened, right?</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="justtxyank" data-cite="justtxyank" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="37696" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Already addressed. Dusty and Dustin had actually already signed with WCW by the first week of January 1991. The game can't simulate this type of situation to start a game. WCW had already advertised the return of Dusty Rhodes before the Royal Rumble match. <p> </p><p> If a player wants to adjust that to keep Dusty (and Dustin) in the WWF, feel free. But the best way to reflect the situation that occurred in real life in the game world (imo) is to go ahead and have them start with WCW.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I almost suspected that that's what it was. I totally get why you put them in the way you did, then.</p>
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<p>I was playing around with a mod set in '90, so at least some of that has to do with my watching a bunch of OSW reviews and rejiggering things, but here's some stuff I noticed, starting with WWF:</p><p> </p><p>

-Undertaker is set as heavyweight, should be "big heavyweight"</p><p>

-Barbarian is set as "big heavyweight," should probably be "heavyweight"</p><p>

-Miss Elizabeth is not under contract</p><p>

-the Road Warriors should be more popular, somewhere in the C+ region, and should auto push to at least UMC (Demolition should likewise be moved up a bit to midcarders (Crush is probably fine where he is), since they were probably a UMC tag team prior to being jobbed out to the Warriors)</p><p>

-Tugboat should not be a main eventer- his popularity should probably be in the C range, as I don't think he was even Brutus Beefcake level- he was just there to beat Dino Bravo and lose to big scary heels</p><p>

-changed Bret Hart to "regular wrestler" to avoid auto-push penalty</p><p>

-dropped Tito's popularity</p><p> </p><p>

And while WCW is at cult, it looks like almost everybody in the company is more over than they should be at that time. Flair is the only guy that should be around B+ nationwide. Scaling back guys like Sting to around B/B- and Lex to B-/C+ range means scaling back the guys behind them like Arn and Barry Windham to around the C range, which means they'd be WWF midcarders (again) if they jumped ship. It also means that Rick Rude should be an immediate main eventer if he signs with WCW in '91.</p>

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Also it's partially just my preference towards balancing workrate and look, but I definitely wouldn't give Bret Hart anywhere near an A* for star quality. He's obviously a great wrestler, but A/A*'s are for big goons like Sid and Lex to give them an edge, not great wrestlers who become really poor draws. Personally I'd give Bret around an 80 (Angry Gilmore level), and Shawn maybe even a bit below that, since he's only 25 and is still going to improve.
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BestForTheBusiness" data-cite="BestForTheBusiness" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="37696" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Nice mod sir. But i just saw that Don Muraco's IC title reigns are not linked to him.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That's a really weird miss as I redid all of the title histories by hand. I must have deleted Muraco on accident at some point and redone him to lose that connection.</p><p> </p><p> Fixed.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hive" data-cite="Hive" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="37696" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Or you could set them up on PPA deals with both, with the WWF one expiring in 1 week/month/whatever seems most logical...?<p> </p><p> You could put "simmering tension" relationships with Vince for both of them, to avoid them re-signing with WWF. Those kind of relationships goes away over time, if not worsened, right?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The problem with that is that if I give them contracts with the WWF they will most assuredly resign with the WWF unless I put a negative relationship into the game. I don't want to put a negative relationship into the game between them that might impact things later. Like I said, if a player wants to go put them into WWF, go for it. </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lazorbeak" data-cite="lazorbeak" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="37696" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I was playing around with a mod set in '90, so at least some of that has to do with my watching a bunch of OSW reviews and rejiggering things, but here's some stuff I noticed, starting with WWF:<p> </p><p> -Undertaker is set as heavyweight, should be "big heavyweight"</p><p> -Barbarian is set as "big heavyweight," should probably be "heavyweight"</p><p> -Miss Elizabeth is not under contract</p><p> -the Road Warriors should be more popular, somewhere in the C+ region, and should auto push to at least UMC (Demolition should likewise be moved up a bit to midcarders (Crush is probably fine where he is), since they were probably a UMC tag team prior to being jobbed out to the Warriors)</p><p> -Tugboat should not be a main eventer- his popularity should probably be in the C range, as I don't think he was even Brutus Beefcake level- he was just there to beat Dino Bravo and lose to big scary heels</p><p> -changed Bret Hart to "regular wrestler" to avoid auto-push penalty</p><p> -dropped Tito's popularity</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Fixed Barbarian. </p><p> Undertaker weight is correct. (Heavyweight is 290-320)</p><p> Was Elizabeth under contract prior to Wrestlemania's reappearance? </p><p> I struggle with the Roadwarriors because if I elevate their popularity the WWF turns them into world title contenders right off the bat. </p><p> I'll have to check Tugboat's popularity again, but I don't believe he was one o the most popular guys on the roster when I released? Anyway, he actually was given a decent push at times. I'll check him though</p><p> Nope, not going to change Bret Hart. The auto-push penalty would reflect reality here. Bret Hart only got pushed to the world title in the WWF because of circumstances working in his favor. </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="37696" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>And while WCW is at cult, it looks like almost everybody in the company is more over than they should be at that time. Flair is the only guy that should be around B+ nationwide. Scaling back guys like Sting to around B/B- and Lex to B-/C+ range means scaling back the guys behind them like Arn and Barry Windham to around the C range, which means they'd be WWF midcarders (again) if they jumped ship. It also means that Rick Rude should be an immediate main eventer if he signs with WCW in '91.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I've reworked popularity several times, but I'm pretty happy with where it is at right now. I may take another look at it, but Sting was one of the popular wrestlers in the world at this point. He was consistently winning the fan awards in various magazines, his toy was a hot seller, etc. This is also coming off one of WCW's best years before it all falls apart again. I don't want to deflate WCW too much here. I don't think WCW 1991 was quite TNA 2013. They were still popular, still drawing decently in their markets, etc. </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lazorbeak" data-cite="lazorbeak" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="37696" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Also it's partially just my preference towards balancing workrate and look, but I definitely wouldn't give Bret Hart anywhere near an A* for star quality. He's obviously a great wrestler, but A/A*'s are for big goons like Sid and Lex to give them an edge, not great wrestlers who become really poor draws. Personally I'd give Bret around an 80 (Angry Gilmore level), and Shawn maybe even a bit below that, since he's only 25 and is still going to improve.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Bret Hart's star quality was a mistake. I've dropped him. On Shawn, I don't think I'll lower it (I actually have it above Bret now.) I don't think star quality is reserved for big men or for talentless guys like Luger. Sid is more menace than star quality. I think Shawn actually had decent star quality the way the stat is defined in TEW. More than Bret to be sure. </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Beejus" data-cite="Beejus" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="37696" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I would suggest putting in a dislike relationship for Vince McMahon and Bill Eadie. Given Eadie and Randy Culley sued Vince over the Demolition gimmick after Eadie's release.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Thanks, done.</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Big Mikey" data-cite="Big Mikey" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="37696" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Are all the updates reflected in the first post or you waiting to release a bigger update?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Anything mentioned in this thread after the first day is not included in the first post yet. </p><p> </p><p> I will release an update (did not expect to) because of some of what I consider to be important fixes.</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="justtxyank" data-cite="justtxyank" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="37696" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> Fixed Barbarian. </p><p> Undertaker weight is correct. (Heavyweight is 290-320)</p><p> Was Elizabeth under contract prior to Wrestlemania's reappearance? </p><p> I struggle with the Roadwarriors because if I elevate their popularity the WWF turns them into world title contenders right off the bat. </p><p> I'll have to check Tugboat's popularity again, but I don't believe he was one o the most popular guys on the roster when I released? Anyway, he actually was given a decent push at times. I'll check him though</p><p> Nope, not going to change Bret Hart. The auto-push penalty would reflect reality here. Bret Hart only got pushed to the world title in the WWF because of circumstances working in his favor.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Eh, YMMV. Size is a combination of height and weight, and Undertaker's bigger than Hogan, so for my part I'll change him over. Scythe is a big heavyweight in the default data (explicitly listed at 6'10", 328 pounds), and I tend to be generous when it comes to classifying giants and superheavyweight types. Liz gets some vignettes leading into WM, as I recall. She's definitely appearing on TV by March, and I don't know that she ever wasn't under contract.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="justtxyank" data-cite="justtxyank" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="37696" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I've reworked popularity several times, but I'm pretty happy with where it is at right now. I may take another look at it, but Sting was one of the popular wrestlers in the world at this point. He was consistently winning the fan awards in various magazines, his toy was a hot seller, etc. This is also coming off one of WCW's best years before it all falls apart again. I don't want to deflate WCW too much here. I don't think WCW 1991 was quite TNA 2013. They were still popular, still drawing decently in their markets, etc.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That's fine, for my part, I'm definitely moving WCW's talent down a bit. My argument is that only Flair appears on Meltzer's little 10K attendance scale top 10, and buyrates and business drop when Sting is on top. Additionally, while I do think he'd be a main eventer if he showed up at the Rumble in '91, he'd be closer to Roddy Piper/Jake than Hogan everywhere but Atlanta. </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="justtxyank" data-cite="justtxyank" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="37696" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Bret Hart's star quality was a mistake. I've dropped him. On Shawn, I don't think I'll lower it (I actually have it above Bret now.) I don't think star quality is reserved for big men or for talentless guys like Luger. Sid is more menace than star quality. I think Shawn actually had decent star quality the way the stat is defined in TEW. More than Bret to be sure.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> Yeah, Shawn's fine either way, I'd just consider him being around Bret's current range, with the chance to move up. </p><p> </p><p> And Sid should probably be a solid A for star quality (along with A* menace). He wasn't just an Earthquake or Yoko type guy who was scary but looked odd with a belt, he looked like he belonged in the championship picture of every promotion he was ever in. He also main evented two Wrestlemanias while still pretty green and clumsy. That's T-Rex (96 star quality at age 37) or Gargantuan (92 star quality at age 27) type SQ. Sid got absolutely launched up the WCW card despite not being a great talent, and then when he jumps ship, he doesn't really have to pay any dues, and immediately gets put over the Undertaker, then Jake, then tosses Hogan from the Royal Rumble and is runner up, having been with the company for about 7 months. Then he main events Wrestlemania against Hogan. That's like, Brock Lesnar level super-push, and it wasn't his in-ring talent getting him there.</p>
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Isn't star quality a static number?

 

I've seen it improve a bit but it doesn't that much...unless it was changed in a patch.

 

I've always thought of star quality as he has the looks of being a star.

 

Also, isn't star quality tied to potential a lot? I thought I read someone saying that, I could be wrong.

 

A lot of these guys seem to have low star quality in comparison to other mods.

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Isn't star quality a static number?

 

No, a young worker's star quality can improve over time.

 

I've seen it improve a bit but it doesn't that much...unless it was changed in a patch.

 

I've always thought of star quality as he has the looks of being a star.

 

Also, isn't star quality tied to potential a lot? I thought I read someone saying that, I could be wrong.

 

A lot of these guys seem to have low star quality in comparison to other mods.

 

Yes, star quality does effect things like popularity caps, and greatly increases the ease of getting a worker over. As far as things being lower across the board, that's really a personal choice for the mod-maker. I think it pretty accurately reflects that by this time the "old guard" of wrestling doesn't have much, if any ability to look like a "star," as the public consensus of what a star is has been hugely influenced by "body" guys like Hogan.

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