Colby Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 Was wondering if anyone has brought in Asbjorn Riis to feud with Hogan in this mod?? I'm constantly toying with the idea even though he's not the greatest of workers. Maybe put him with a top heel to basically mock Hogan? Had never heard of him, googled him, still no clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatedRKO16 Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 Had never heard of him, googled him, still no clue. I had never heard of him either but when I saw a guy that looked like Hogan come up that wasn't Hogan it peaked my interest about a year back. Apparently he's Danish and he spent his whole career imitating Hulk Hogan and making a career out of it from what I've gathered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="RatedRKO16" data-cite="RatedRKO16" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="37696" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Apparently he's Danish and he spent his whole career imitating Hulk Hogan and making a career out of it from what I've gathered.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That's the jist of it, yes. He's the most well-known Danish wrestler (though that's not saying a lot, wrestling was never really big here).</p><p> </p><p> He hosted a WCW show on Danish television and kept claiming that he'd be wrestling for them soon, after having trained at the Power Plant. Obviously, that never happened.</p><p> </p><p> Bonus info: he's one of just two Danish wrestlers in the database (unless justtxyank added any additional ones, which I doubt), with the other being a future worker.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
combolock Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 EDIT: I found what I was looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatedRKO16 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Hey my 1991 guys - what would be a good addition to the big 5 PPVs? Royal Rumble, WrestleMania, King of the Ring, Summer Slam, Survivor Series, AND ??? I'm wanting to add another that I can consider worthy - IDK if it should be a gimmick show or just a name of a show? I'd use Money in the Bank but hell a ladder match hadn't even been done yet. The 2 I'm thinking about is Night of Champions (all titles defended, obviously) or No Holds Barred (mostly no DQ matches). Anyone else added 1 to these "big 5"? I'm having trouble making World Title changes on any other events. My own personal booking issue... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beejus Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 How about a PPV edition of Saturday Night's Main Event? You could make it into either an annual event or make a lot of them like what the real WWF did with the In Your House shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatedRKO16 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Beejus" data-cite="Beejus" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="37696" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>How about a PPV edition of Saturday Night's Main Event? You could make it into either an annual event or make a lot of them like what the real WWF did with the In Your House shows.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah, I like that name a heck of a lot better than In Your House. I always thought that was cheesy.</p><p> </p><p> I can't remember if I asked this here before or in the small questions thread but being 1991 would it be cheesy if I pulled an angle like Andre/Hogan/DiBiase where Andre won the title for DiBiase or sold it too him or whatever (can't completely recall at this time)?</p><p> </p><p> I'm thinking a member of his Million Dollar Team wins the title then gives it to Ted. Or would that have been frowned upon like 'not again!!' type thing since it had just happened in '87?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawn Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="RatedRKO16" data-cite="RatedRKO16" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="37696" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Hey my 1991 guys - what would be a good addition to the big 5 PPVs? Royal Rumble, WrestleMania, King of the Ring, Summer Slam, Survivor Series, AND ??? I'm wanting to add another that I can consider worthy - IDK if it should be a gimmick show or just a name of a show? I'd use Money in the Bank but hell a ladder match hadn't even been done yet.<p> </p><p> The 2 I'm thinking about is Night of Champions (all titles defended, obviously) or No Holds Barred (mostly no DQ matches).</p><p> </p><p> Anyone else added 1 to these "big 5"? I'm having trouble making World Title changes on any other events. My own personal booking issue... <img alt=":o" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/redface.png.900245280682ef18c5d82399a93c5827.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png"></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Well, Just these 5 on the Golden Era and New Generation seems right for me.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="RatedRKO16" data-cite="RatedRKO16" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="37696" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Hey my 1991 guys - what would be a good addition to the big 5 PPVs? Royal Rumble, WrestleMania, King of the Ring, Summer Slam, Survivor Series, AND ??? I'm wanting to add another that I can consider worthy - IDK if it should be a gimmick show or just a name of a show? I'd use Money in the Bank but hell a ladder match hadn't even been done yet.<p> </p><p> The 2 I'm thinking about is Night of Champions (all titles defended, obviously) or No Holds Barred (mostly no DQ matches).</p><p> </p><p> Anyone else added 1 to these "big 5"? I'm having trouble making World Title changes on any other events. My own personal booking issue... <img alt=":o" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/redface.png.900245280682ef18c5d82399a93c5827.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png"></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> First ladder matches were done in Stampede Wrestling back in 1972. I know your point is that it hadn't happened in WWF yet, but Bret had been suggesting it to Vince since the late 80s/early 90s before him and Shawn finally had it July 1992.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatedRKO16 Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="37696" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>First ladder matches were done in Stampede Wrestling back in 1972. I know your point is that it hadn't happened in WWF yet, but Bret had been suggesting it to Vince since the late 80s/early 90s before him and Shawn finally had it July 1992.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I did not realize that. I knew it had been done in Canada before and Bret wanted to do it but didn't realize it was in 1972. Hmm. </p><p> </p><p> What do you know about the first multi-man match? Like a triple threat or fatal 4 way? When did that idea come about?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Smoky Mountain supposedly had the first triple threat matches in North America in '93. ECW also had multi tag team matches and three way dances in 94/95. First WWF triple threat I think had Owen Hart, Triple H, and Goldust, but I could be wrong on that one. As far as multi man ladder matches go, in WWF it was Vince and Shane vs Steve Austin in a handicap ladder match in 1999 and the Hardyz vs Edge & Christian a few months later. WCW had a Barbed Wire Ladder match between Tully Blanchard and Dusty Rhodes in 1987 I think it was as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatedRKO16 Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="37696" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Smoky Mountain supposedly had the first triple threat matches in North America in '93. ECW also had multi tag team matches and three way dances in 94/95. First WWF triple threat I think had Owen Hart, Triple H, and Goldust, but I could be wrong on that one. <p> </p><p> As far as multi man ladder matches go, in WWF it was Vince and Shane vs Steve Austin in a handicap ladder match in 1999 and the Hardyz vs Edge & Christian a few months later. </p><p> </p><p> WCW had a Barbed Wire Ladder match between Tully Blanchard and Dusty Rhodes in 1987 I think it was as well.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Thanks Jaysin. This really helps! <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatedRKO16 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 <p>hey Just-</p><p> </p><p> I really don't think Lex Luger was THIS bad. I agree he wasn't great but in comparison to the other guys I think he's extremely underrated in this mod.</p><p> </p><p> He had some extremely good matches in WWF from beginning to end, I don't know about WCW right at 1991 and I've seen some pretty shotty matches with him later on in WCW - most notably the whole 3 cage Dungeon of Doom match against Hogan & Savage, I just think he ran interference. He had 1 big move to do and he botched it terribly.</p><p> </p><p> But, he's had some pretty fantastic showings including the Rumble where he tied Bret and everything before that. His match against Yokozuna at Summer Slam was pretty good.</p><p> </p><p> What I would do-</p><p> <span style="text-decoration:underline;">Boost psychology </span>- I don't think he had trouble calling things as they go - he had more trouble on the microphone and botching scripted things</p><p> <span style="text-decoration:underline;">Lower consistency</span> - This would make up for his up and down performances I think since he was, well, inconsistent.</p><p> <span style="text-decoration:underline;">Brawling</span> - This is arguable but I think his brawling stat should be higher. He was very good at just throwing punches, it was pretty much his whole arsenal. </p><p> </p><p> These are just my perspective, I just know you said if I felt anything needed fixed to tell you. This mod is obviously my favorite, I just don't feel Luger is on Warrior-level bad which he is pretty close to the same type of statistics in the mod. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> (I'm also going to add Tatanka seems to be very, very good on the microphone & is fairly charismatic. Probably needs to be started a bit higher..)</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D16NJD16 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 hey Just- I really don't think Lex Luger was THIS bad. I agree he wasn't great but in comparison to the other guys I think he's extremely underrated in this mod. He had some extremely good matches in WWF from beginning to end, I don't know about WCW right at 1991 and I've seen some pretty shotty matches with him later on in WCW - most notably the whole 3 cage Dungeon of Doom match against Hogan & Savage, I just think he ran interference. He had 1 big move to do and he botched it terribly. But, he's had some pretty fantastic showings including the Rumble where he tied Bret and everything before that. His match against Yokozuna at Summer Slam was pretty good. What I would do- Boost psychology - I don't think he had trouble calling things as they go - he had more trouble on the microphone and botching scripted things Lower consistency - This would make up for his up and down performances I think since he was, well, inconsistent. Brawling - This is arguable but I think his brawling stat should be higher. He was very good at just throwing punches, it was pretty much his whole arsenal. These are just my perspective, I just know you said if I felt anything needed fixed to tell you. This mod is obviously my favorite, I just don't feel Luger is on Warrior-level bad which he is pretty close to the same type of statistics in the mod. (I'm also going to add Tatanka seems to be very, very good on the microphone & is fairly charismatic. Probably needs to be started a bit higher..) A Lex Luger fan, those things actually exist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 A Lex Luger fan, those things actually exist? There are plenty. The guy was an underrated worker. He was just consistency problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatedRKO16 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 There are plenty. The guy was an underrated worker. He was just consistency problems. I agree with you completely, Jaysin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 <p>Lex Luger was a great wrestler for what he was. Certainly one of the best "bodybuilder"-type wrestlers who got hired for their looks.</p><p> </p><p> I really liked him back in the days. I remember watching WCW when he suddenly came back from WWF: even though I was not really familiar with him, as I did not watch WCW untill 1994 and only caught WWF in glimpses, he quickly established himself as one of my favourites (trailing Sting and Savage). And I really bought into the metal-plate-in-the-arm thing... not to mention him being Sting's close friend.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattywood Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Count me in as a Luger fan as well. I remember first seeing him in the NWA back when Jim Crockett Promotions was the main NWA territory. He was one of the first heels I actually liked back before I found out wrestling was a work. There was just something about him that exuded coolness. He may have been part of the Horsemen, and they (and the Freebirds for that matter) may have had that cool aura about them, but they did so much dastardly things that I (as a mark) still "hated" them, lol. Luger just simply came off as a bad ass who was simply a bad guy by association. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ping von Erich Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Luger back during his rookie years, through his physical peak in the early early 90's he was honestly super great. He had some epic matches with Flair, Barry Windham, Sting. He's one of the guys I really hope WWE does a big career spanning DVD retrospective on. I think a lot of younger fans who only remember him from his "shocking" Nitro appearance on really don't have the proper perspective on Luger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Luger back during his rookie years, through his physical peak in the early early 90's he was honestly super great. He had some epic matches with Flair, Barry Windham, Sting. He's one of the guys I really hope WWE does a big career spanning DVD retrospective on. I think a lot of younger fans who only remember him from his "shocking" Nitro appearance on really don't have the proper perspective on Luger. Even post shocking Nitro appearance, Luger wasn't all that bad. I feel Luger is one of those guys that gets crapped on because of his backstage personality and people's views are altered because of it. Funny story though, Luger called Eric Bischoff at like 3am shortly before Nitro debuted and asked Eric if he could hire him. Bischoff told him nope. Then Sting kept going to Eric and saying "I think Luger would be a good name to hire" and essentially harassing him about it until Bischoff caved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattywood Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Even post shocking Nitro appearance, Luger wasn't all that bad. I feel Luger is one of those guys that gets crapped on because of his backstage personality and people's views are altered because of it. Funny story though, Luger called Eric Bischoff at like 3am shortly before Nitro debuted and asked Eric if he could hire him. Bischoff told him nope. Then Sting kept going to Eric and saying "I think Luger would be a good name to hire" and essentially harassing him about it until Bischoff caved. That's probably what it was, how he handled himself backstage, which he himself admitted to. I've seen videos of him after he became born again, and the look on his face, he looks like he's in a much better place in life now. If you haven't seen the Kayfabe Commentaries Timeline 1993 shoot with Luger, I highly recommend it. He seemed to have so much fun doing the shoot, which made it all the more enjoyable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 His personality has definitely turned around for the better. I love that he goes around to schools and also is really open to giving younger guys advice. I'm actually going to check out his book at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pantaloons Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="37696" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Even post shocking Nitro appearance, Luger wasn't all that bad. I feel Luger is one of those guys that gets crapped on because of his backstage personality and people's views are altered because of it.<p> </p><p> Funny story though, Luger called Eric Bischoff at like 3am shortly before Nitro debuted and asked Eric if he could hire him. Bischoff told him nope. Then Sting kept going to Eric and saying "I think Luger would be a good name to hire" and essentially harassing him about it until Bischoff caved.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I heard from Bischoff in interviews that he offered Luger a lowball contract so he could at least tell Sting that he tried. To his surprise Luger accepted.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted June 19, 2014 Author Share Posted June 19, 2014 <p>I am a Lex Luger fan. I don't think I rated him as a poor worker. </p><p> </p><p> His brawling is 10 points higher than Warrior, his selling is 10 points higher than Warrior, his basics are 24 points higher than Warrior, his Stamina is 10 points higher than Warrior, his chain wrestling is 20 points higher than Warrior...</p><p> </p><p> I might bump him up a little but it won't be huge. He wasn't as bad as people make him out to be, but at the same time, when you mention all the good matches he had you have to notice the other name in the match.</p><p> </p><p> Luger had good matches with Windham, Flair, Arn Anderson, Sting and Stan Hansen. </p><p> </p><p> Those are 5 of the top 30 or so workers ever.</p><p> </p><p> I also don't think he was that good of a brawler as was previously suggested. Go back and watch tapes on him and you will see some pretty telegraphed punches. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatedRKO16 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="justtxyank" data-cite="justtxyank" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="37696" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I am a Lex Luger fan. I don't think I rated him as a poor worker. <p> </p><p> His brawling is 10 points higher than Warrior, his selling is 10 points higher than Warrior, his basics are 24 points higher than Warrior, his Stamina is 10 points higher than Warrior, his chain wrestling is 20 points higher than Warrior...</p><p> </p><p> I might bump him up a little but it won't be huge. He wasn't as bad as people make him out to be, but at the same time, when you mention all the good matches he had you have to notice the other name in the match.</p><p> </p><p> Luger had good matches with Windham, Flair, Arn Anderson, Sting and Stan Hansen. </p><p> </p><p> Those are 5 of the top 30 or so workers ever.</p><p> </p><p> I also don't think he was that good of a brawler as was previously suggested. Go back and watch tapes on him and you will see some pretty telegraphed punches. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The problem is Warrior starts with 90 pop while Luger is somewhere around 80. Getting Luger over is a lot harder than Warrior (since Warrior has higher charisma for angles). Which is extremely accurate, however in a pop > perf. promotion it creates a HUGE disparity in match quality which doesn't seem as accurate. I would definitely say Luger put on better matches than Warrior (besides Warrior/Hogan which I think was awesome). </p><p> </p><p> I know this is tough to simulate in game but it's mainly why I suggested the changes. Luger never got to Warrior's popularity but his matches, for the most part, were better than Warrior's.</p><p> </p><p> I'm just using these guys as examples because I fired them over the same reason. When you can't "call in ring" it really brings down the match grade. I think that's realistic in Warrior's case but maybe not as much in Luger's case.</p><p> </p><p> I can always edit him to my liking because it's honestly the only thing I've found after a year of in-game playing that I found I didn't like. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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