BuddyGarner Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 It's a hard to grasp the concept of midcard belts. The belt is supposed to be the #1 so how do you have an intercontenintal champion or what not? So how do you book lowercard belts? Have a singles title but lose in multi-man matches or vice-versa?Have gender or weight restrictions that would make main-eventers ineligible for example woman's or cruiserweight title?Set matches where a champion would lose to a main eventer be non-title or have then retain the title via DQ or count-out despite losing?Always have the title on the line but vacate the title when a worker gets too over for the belt or have the main eventer lose to a undercard guy via something like the KS note?Don't protect the title at all and eventually led the midcard title be unified with the main event title either having the main eventer defend them both or retiring the midcard title?Completely ignore undercard belts and make every belt either floating or main event title? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demondragonking Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 <p>Speaking for how I book them only, I typically set them as floating, but at the same time treat most undercard belts as 'stepping stones' to the upper midcard and main event scenes. Typically a worker will hold a midcard belt, usually gaining a pop boost for doing so, then defend it till the worker himself is nearing the upper reaches of the rankings, then he'll lose it usually in a multi man match as he's cheated out of a victory by someone in the upper rankings that can help him move farther up the card.</p><p> </p><p> If I'm not booking an undercard worker to push, I'll basicly fish for chemistry or look at my mid card and lower people and ask myself 'who would be interesting feuding for the title?' and go with that.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLCJR4LIFE Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Very carefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Trask Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I use them to motivate me to use a worker more, earmarking them for screen time and to pick up some wins against other workers on their own level. Perhaps it's just me but I find it relatively easy to get the belt off someone who is becoming too big for it, because if they're in that position to get pushed, they're ready to brush up with bigger talent (and pull bigger grades/gain overness) anyway. I don't think it's that odd to have a hierarchy of belts, but it is necessary to protect the lower card champions at least a little (they shouldn't be losing to just anyone above them on the card). Don't always need to have the title on the line in every match (in kayfabe terms they might not have earned a shot, or might not be aiming to becoming contender for it, since they're competing in a higher 'bracket'). Don't see any need to let the title automatically rise up, it's fairly easy to regulate it. Tag team belts are their own division so their prestige doesn't especially matter in relation to the singles title *shrug* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Dolphin Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 OctoberRaven (That name again!) had the right idea: Have a TV title where 5 successful defences get you a title shot at the main belt. Otherwise, use the belt as a piece of a feud that isn't main event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJStark Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 I usually just go for a main event strap & have tag straps as the midcard title. Any other titles tend to be lower-card and, unless they're stuff like womens or light-heavyweight, I use them essentially as a way of reminding myself which singles guy I'm trying to push up out of the lower card into the midcard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Lyrium Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 I usually use them as sort of 'divisions'. Not like, weight divisions or cruiserweight divisions or whatnot, but more like 'sports' divisions. So, to take 90s WWF as an example, the European title would be the bottom division (the Hardcore title is different, and for a different 'type' of worker, usually providing comic relief or bathroom break matches unless the champion gets over 'accidentally' ). The lower ranked guys would see the European title as a chance to work their way up the ladder, while the champion would consider himself to be the best among them and (after a decent title run) 'ready for a new challenge' (face) or 'above this belt' (heel) or some variation. Or screwed out of the title by a bigger star, going straight into a feud either for the IC title, or with a fellow IC title contender until a feud with the champ emerges. They don't have to win that feud first time out, but a former European champion who is moving upwards (as opposed to someone who's still feuding over the belt, or dropped it due to not getting over) should then be seen as an IC title contender, not a former European champion. The important thing is, as Blake said, to make sure that your lower card champions aren't losing to guys above them willy-nilly. They need to be protected a certain amount, so that they're beating guys below them, and either not facing guys above them at all, or losing in multi-man matches, or against legit threats only. Or even beating a few of the lesser guys who aren't involved with the higher title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurricanendp Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 <p>Typically I try to differentiate my two main singles titles as well as possible, Heavyweight title being that of Main Eventers only, with tv defences (if ever needed for storyline purposes) against Upper Midcarders, and the Midcard title being that for Midcarders and again, any needed TV defences go against Lower Midcarders.</p><p> </p><p> As for losing the title, if the worker gets too popular for the belt, I try to get someone of similar popularity to take the belt off them, I've only vacated the title once, and that was when I'd "unified" the belts at a PPV and had the midcard title be vacated the next tv show.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newman Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 A lot of my title matches, apart from my WWF title matches are penalised for title prestige in the dirt sheet. How do I stop that happening. I always use WWF title matches as the last match, never the tag and IC title matches. They are B rated matches still getting penalised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigpapa42 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Newman" data-cite="Newman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="38013" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>A lot of my title matches, apart from my WWF title matches are penalised for title prestige in the dirt sheet. How do I stop that happening. I always use WWF title matches as the last match, never the tag and IC title matches. They are B rated matches still getting penalised.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Its the prestige and level of teh belt not matching up to who is wearing it.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newman Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Bigpapa42" data-cite="Bigpapa42" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="38013" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Its the prestige and level of teh belt not matching up to who is wearing it.</div></blockquote><p> Thanks for the advice dude.. I got 2 main eventers going for the IC belt and the belt is set to main event I think.. Is it possible they are too good for it..</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 In my experience, no matter what level of the belt or how over the workers were, if the belt isn't at 100 Prestige, I have always gotten a penalty. Even with two workers at 100 Pop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iruleall15 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 I use mine forvguys I want to move up higher on the card usually. Usually give it to younger guys. Treat it as a stepping stone to move to upper midcard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Kohral Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 <p>There are only two types of workers who I give the midcard belt to. </p><p> </p><p> #1 is my Upper midcard gatekeepers. An example of this is Joe Sexy in SWF. He's too old and not talented enough to be in the main event, but his high charisma makes him a valuable asset. The gatekeepers hold the belt, fighting lower midcarders and midcardrs to help build their stats until they lose the belt to...</p><p> </p><p> #2 Anyone I'm trying to push into the main event. </p><p> </p><p> That's it. No one else hold the secondary title, mainly because I'd forget about them and they'd have a yearlong reign without even defending the belt.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newman Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="iruleall15" data-cite="iruleall15" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="38013" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I use mine forvguys I want to move up higher on the card usually. Usually give it to younger guys. Treat it as a stepping stone to move to upper midcard.</div></blockquote><p> So with two main eventers going for my IC title I am going about it wrong yes? Even though I have the level set to floating, so I can place matches anywhere on the card. The people I wanna have it won't accept being pushed as a midcarder lol <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackKnifed72 Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="38013" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>In my experience, no matter what level of the belt or how over the workers were, if the belt isn't at 100 Prestige, I have always gotten a penalty. Even with two workers at 100 Pop</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> From what I understand the game figures the match grade...then the bonuses...then the penalties...</p><p> </p><p> ex - worker 1 vs worker 2 base grade is 80</p><p> +bonuses for momentum...going all out...charisma...managers etc = 95</p><p> </p><p> then the penalties are added...title prestige, burnt out crowd, stamina etc...final match grade = 85</p><p> </p><p> But if your title prestige is less than the 95(pre penalty total), you get the penalty, which is relatively small I believe</p><p> </p><p> hope that makes sense</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="JackKnifed72" data-cite="JackKnifed72" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="38013" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>From what I understand the game figures the match grade...then the bonuses...then the penalties...<p> </p><p> ex - worker 1 vs worker 2 base grade is 80</p><p> +bonuses for momentum...going all out...charisma...managers etc = 95</p><p> </p><p> then the penalties are added...title prestige, burnt out crowd, stamina etc...final match grade = 85</p><p> </p><p> But if your title prestige is less than the 95(pre penalty total), you get the penalty, which is relatively small I believe</p><p> </p><p> hope that makes sense</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I had a title match in one game where the belt was at 99 prestige, both workers at 100 overness. Ran the show with the belt on the line the match scored an 81 with the only penalty being the title prestige. Loaded up the back up files, ran the show again with the exact same road agent notes, match length, but without the belt on the line and it scored a 95. Doesn't really seem all that small of a ding to me.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackKnifed72 Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="38013" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I had a title match in one game where the belt was at 99 prestige, both workers at 100 overness. Ran the show with the belt on the line the match scored an 81 with the only penalty being the title prestige. Loaded up the back up files, ran the show again with the exact same road agent notes, match length, but without the belt on the line and it scored a 95. Doesn't really seem all that small of a ding to me.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> wow...never realized it was that much of a penalty <img alt=":eek:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/eek.png.0e09df00fa222c85760b9bc1700b5405.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="JackKnifed72" data-cite="JackKnifed72" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="38013" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>wow...never realized it was that much of a penalty <img alt=":eek:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/eek.png.0e09df00fa222c85760b9bc1700b5405.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png"></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> There may have been something else causing it and I didn't notice it but that was the only thing I saw. I've tried it a few times in other games and the difference in rating varied. </p><p> </p><p> I just think it's silly for it to be a penalty to begin with. If anything a match should get a bonus for being a title match. That makes far more sense to me.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croquemitaine Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="38013" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I just think it's silly for it to be a penalty to begin with. If anything a match should get a bonus for being a title match. That makes far more sense to me.</div></blockquote><p> It's hard to imagine how having a title on the line can make you care <em>less</em> about a match.</p><p> </p><p> Sure, there are plenty of worthless or devalued belts in wrestling, but at worst you simply won't care about them (i.e. no bonus or penalty). Are there any RL belts that have become so tainted that putting them on the line actually detracts from a match?</p><p> </p><p> On the flip side, I think all new belts should start at 0 prestige and have to be built up in value. It's something I intend to lay out in the Suggestions forum sometime (except it's the kind of change that would have to wait for a new version of the game).</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Trask Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Only doing it once both ways isn't really a robust statistical analysis of the penalty. There is necessarily a random factor in grades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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