Mods By Fleisch

Hazemore · June 8, 2018

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Tardelli" data-cite="Tardelli" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Thank you for that insight! Exactly what Fleisch needs, i guess <img alt=":rolleyes:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote> lol just cuz u hv nothing to offer ny1 in life xD

alpha2117 · June 8, 2018

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Winged Hussar" data-cite="Winged Hussar" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You're falling into the exact trap that I was talking about before of taking an interesting minor skill/background someone has and going "ZOMG!! they are SOOOOO good! 100/100!" Should Mandy be within 20 points of Brock Lesnar? Not a chance lol. </div></blockquote> As I said before lets agree to disagree this is not the thread to argue over that stuff .... trying to resist responding ..... arghhhhh ........ nope biting my tongue .... you are entitled to your opinion .... arghhhhhhhh .... mustn't respond by saying Mandy isn't within 20 of Brock athleticism wise because like most of the roster she's at least 20 points above 2018 Brock ..... arghhhhhhh! Just joking (although to me Brock's stamina and athleticism have clearly deteriorated considerably over recent years - power, menace, star quality are all undiminished by time). As I said this thread is not the place for arguments over that stuff. In the end we are all going to have very different opinions on that sort of thing - if a stat annoys you too much in this or any mod you can always just use the editor to tweak it so that your version of the mod better reflects your view of the world. With Thousands of workers there is going to be a huge range of things that people can disagree on - that's what the editor is for to me. Tweak the heck out of any mod you play to maximise your enjoyment. It's one of the great strengths of TEW - the suckas easily customisable for most anybody playing.

Fleisch · June 8, 2018

Seems shifting to 3 months has done very little to make me want to continue this as if I'm being honest, I rarely play TEW anymore and as this data started off being for me and a few friends, I see little point continuing to stress over it. I have more ideas for datasets I would much rather work on. Europe's a mess, Australia is a mess, the stats once again need a major overhaul (at least it took a year this time). Way too much work and effort than I am willing to put in just to have to go through it all again in another 6 months. I will release an update in August (for the fixes needed, July is not realistic) as a final release that people can build their own monthly updates off of.

MarslArts · June 8, 2018

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fleisch" data-cite="Fleisch" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Seems shifting to 3 months has done very little to make me want to continue this as if I'm being honest, I rarely play TEW anymore and as this data started off being for me and a few friends, I see little point continuing to stress over it. I have more ideas for datasets I would much rather work on. Europe's a mess, Australia is a mess, the stats once again need a major overhaul (at least it took a year this time). Way too much work and effort than I am willing to put in just to have to go through it all again in another 6 months. I will release an update in August (for the fixes needed, July is not realistic) as a final release that people can build their own monthly updates off of.</div></blockquote> that's sad but understandable. I'd like to thank you for all the work you've done

Winged Hussar · June 8, 2018

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Skummy" data-cite="Skummy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>This is an extremely WWE-centric view, though, to say that because one stat isn't relevant to the current product as WWE presents it means that no one should be good at. It would be like rating someone lower on Hardcore ability because WWE went PG. It doesn't take into account that there's a world outside WWE, or that WWE - in real life, or under you as the booker in-game - could change the product settings and revert back to bikini contests and bra and panties matches. I'm not going to get into a debate on sex appeal beyond that, as it's far too subjective, particularly when I'm not 100% clear on its in-game impact, but the game world has to be looked at holistically, not just "that's not how WWE do it".</div></blockquote> Well when you quote just that tiny part it might sound WWE-centric but overall if you look through what I originally said then what you are saying is my point exactly. Currently members of the WWE roster have 95+ ratings in certain things like hardcore, sex appeal, etc that WWE simply do not base their hiring process and match styles around in 2018 and to have all their performers be 95+ rated in certain categories because 'they are the best in WWE' makes the game world as you put it "WWE-centric" and not holistic. <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="alpha2117" data-cite="alpha2117" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>As I said before lets agree to disagree this is not the thread to argue over that stuff .... trying to resist responding ..... arghhhhh ........ nope biting my tongue .... you are entitled to your opinion .... arghhhhhhhh .... mustn't respond by saying Mandy isn't within 20 of Brock athleticism wise because like most of the roster she's at least 20 points above 2018 Brock ..... arghhhhhhh! Just joking (although to me Brock's stamina and athleticism have clearly deteriorated considerably over recent years - power, menace, star quality are all undiminished by time). As I said this thread is not the place for arguments over that stuff. In the end we are all going to have very different opinions on that sort of thing - if a stat annoys you too much in this or any mod you can always just use the editor to tweak it so that your version of the mod better reflects your view of the world. With Thousands of workers there is going to be a huge range of things that people can disagree on - that's what the editor is for to me. Tweak the heck out of any mod you play to maximise your enjoyment. It's one of the great strengths of TEW - the suckas easily customisable for most anybody playing.</div></blockquote> I think its funny you think I'm arguing. I used to make loads of mods in various games with teams of people and we'd discus how to optimize every detail of the game for the player. I just chose a random performer and a random stat to explain the concept of capturing a workers personality but it seems I chose poorly as we've gotten so sidetracked on the individual rather than the overall concept. I'll try one more time to explain this in EXTREME detail then I'm giving up. I have already edited my game. I have previously played and tested this exact mod and noticed there were times that took me out of the moment and thought could be improved and was simply sharing my experience to Fleisch who can then can do whatever they like. I think this mod has the most going for it and I wouldn't even bother bringing stuff like this up in other mod threads because so many mod makers get all excited but never actually finish a playable release yet Fleisch has numerous releases and has put in the work and I thought maybe I could help considering I used to mod like crazy back in the day. Now onto the example I used. I mentioned Alexa Bliss did not feel like Alexa Bliss when I was booking her as she wasn't all that great at promos but was excellent at diva bikini contests and bra and panties matches etc. I looked at her stats in detail and understood. The funny thing is I suggested buffing Alexa Bliss overall improving her microphone, acting, etc. and lowering her sex appeal but rather then talk about the concept of trying to make characters have various strengths and weaknesses that capture what it would be like to book them a few peeps came in and didn't even read the whole thing and said simplistic statements like "I think Alexa Bliss is hot, 97 sex appeal is deserved" not understanding she'd actually perform better in game with what I was proposing. I'll even put screenshots for you guys for this specific example of Alexa Bliss so we don't have to talk about her anymore and can understand the overall concept. Here are her original stats as they exist currently in the mod: <a href="https://s15.postimg.cc/afvslqxt7/Screenshot_61.png" rel="external nofollow">https://s15.postimg.cc/afvslqxt7/Screenshot_61.png</a> (notice her low charisma and acting make her flop with low rated promo segments) - something I think shes very good at. Here are the the stats that I have changed her to in my game: <a href="https://s15.postimg.cc/51x0e40cb/Screenshot_63.png" rel="external nofollow">https://s15.postimg.cc/51x0e40cb/Screenshot_63.png</a> (maybe I went a little overboard increasing her promo skills as an over-reaction to her previous stats) - Granted I have not tested this, It is very difficult to balance out and get everyone's stats right relative to everyone else in a database without severe planning But ignore the specific stats themselves, please just focus on the goal that's trying to be achieved here of trying to get every worker to feel like that specific worker when booking them (maybe my edits have other problems, I dunno, I have not properly tested them as I said). If you want me to explain my edits I can and I encourage disagreement and conversation if the intention is to make things better. Anyway I lowered the sex appeal rating because although Alexa Bliss is 'cute' I don't think she'd perform to an A+ level in Bra and Panties matches and segments. However I think she'd still be alright at them and could slip into that style of wrestling and booking better than say Charlotte Flair so I still gave her a high rating but not obnoxiously high to the point where the booker has more success if they promote her in that way with sexuality in all her segments and a gimmick that is purely sex sells (essentially the sort of shit they are doing with Mandy Rose and that weird slow-mo cringe trying to do the baywatch walk entrance type of stuff). Onto athleticism I lowered that severely because this is what it says about that stat: <a href="https://s15.postimg.cc/cuno63e17/Screenshot_65.png" rel="external nofollow">https://s15.postimg.cc/cuno63e17/Screenshot_65.png</a> From what I've read (and I could be wrong) its a sort of a MMA/Legitimate athlete sort of stat. A low rating will not hurt her or any other performer and a high rating can help achieve a better rating in a Verne Gagne style company (which WWE is not anyway). Onto Star Quality: <a href="https://s15.postimg.cc/g1i7ppj1n/Screenshot_64.png" rel="external nofollow">https://s15.postimg.cc/g1i7ppj1n/Screenshot_64.png</a> (This is about variety in a database again. Daniel Bryan can have a low star quality rating and still achieve A+ rated matches every week if his ring stats and popularity in the region are high enough and the booker books him in the appropriate type of match to showcase his skills) - That is where the fun in a good database comes from. If you disagree with anything I've said I completely respect that. Different opinions are good and its good to discus things providing everyone can stay focused and on topic (unfortunately we got a little sidetracked). I'll take full responsibility for that, I shouldn't have used Alexa Bliss as the example since it appears so many people apparently feel so passionately about her. Anyway your input is good, and your thoughts on Brock Lesnar are interesting. I personally still think he'd have to have a high athletic rating but you made a good case as to why you could logically have him a little lower. <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fleisch" data-cite="Fleisch" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Seems shifting to 3 months has done very little to make me want to continue this as if I'm being honest, I rarely play TEW anymore and as this data started off being for me and a few friends, I see little point continuing to stress over it. I have more ideas for datasets I would much rather work on. Europe's a mess, Australia is a mess, the stats once again need a major overhaul (at least it took a year this time). Way too much work and effort than I am willing to put in just to have to go through it all again in another 6 months. I will release an update in August (for the fixes needed, July is not realistic) as a final release that people can build their own monthly updates off of.</div></blockquote> It is extremely fatiguing modding and takes SO much time. If you need a break or have another mod you are craving to make more than this one and could have fun with I say do that instead as your enjoyment is the most important thing. I will also say things don't need to be perfect in a mod for it to be enjoyable. Despite a few odd things here and there this mod is fun and I'm sure many, many people have gotten lots of enjoyment out of it.

WillyWillyWilly · June 8, 2018

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fleisch" data-cite="Fleisch" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Seems shifting to 3 months has done very little to make me want to continue this as if I'm being honest, I rarely play TEW anymore and as this data started off being for me and a few friends, I see little point continuing to stress over it. I have more ideas for datasets I would much rather work on. Europe's a mess, Australia is a mess, the stats once again need a major overhaul (at least it took a year this time). Way too much work and effort than I am willing to put in just to have to go through it all again in another 6 months. I will release an update in August (for the fixes needed, July is not realistic) as a final release that people can build their own monthly updates off of.</div></blockquote> sad but totally understandable If the mod in in your way then ist better to say goodbye to Real World Cronicles and move on to other projects.

shawn michaels · June 8, 2018

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fleisch" data-cite="Fleisch" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Seems shifting to 3 months has done very little to make me want to continue this as if I'm being honest, I rarely play TEW anymore and as this data started off being for me and a few friends, I see little point continuing to stress over it. I have more ideas for datasets I would much rather work on. Europe's a mess, Australia is a mess, the stats once again need a major overhaul (at least it took a year this time). Way too much work and effort than I am willing to put in just to have to go through it all again in another 6 months. I will release an update in August (for the fixes needed, July is not realistic) as a final release that people can build their own monthly updates off of.</div></blockquote> Sad to hear man, your work is some of my favorite. I'd continue this if I had free time right now, we'll see, though I don't think I do. I hope someone else good at it takes it from here if you allow it. Thanks for the many hours of hard work, man. You helped us all to play a game we love, with the updates we wanted and with some high quality work. Thanks man. Have fun in whatever you do next.

alpha2117 · June 9, 2018

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fleisch" data-cite="Fleisch" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Seems shifting to 3 months has done very little to make me want to continue this as if I'm being honest, I rarely play TEW anymore and as this data started off being for me and a few friends, I see little point continuing to stress over it. I have more ideas for datasets I would much rather work on. Europe's a mess, Australia is a mess, the stats once again need a major overhaul (at least it took a year this time). Way too much work and effort than I am willing to put in just to have to go through it all again in another 6 months. I will release an update in August (for the fixes needed, July is not realistic) as a final release that people can build their own monthly updates off of.</div></blockquote> Your work has and always will be appreciated. People like you who do these things should be doing them for the enjoyment value of doing them, once it seems too much like hard work then you should take a step back. Whatever you decide to do in future I hope you really enjoy doing it because you deserve to have as much fun as possible.

Genadi · June 9, 2018

Hit me up on Discord if I can help out at all Fleisch.

I've only read the past 5 or so pages but I think I can see why this is becoming more of a chore than fun.

Hazemore · June 9, 2018

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Winged Hussar" data-cite="Winged Hussar" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Sorry for not responding straight away to this, its a tricky thing to respond to. I wanted to write a proper explanation and not just a dismissive one liner because I agree with everything you are trying to say and like the way you put it forward, however I really think you're overthinking it and a little like the other guy using your personal taste as the rating rather than looking at it from the games point of view and a rating from a booker's perspective instead of a fans. If you want me to use an example of my personal taste I find Kelly Kelly very unattractive. I hate her and think shes too skinny, her teeth are fake bleached, her nose is hooked and her face looks squished up and I find 9/10 other female wrestlers better looking that her. HOWEVER there is no point me trying to justify what I like and don't like and for the purposes of a booker communicating to non-wrestling fans Kelly Kelly should clearly have one of the highest ratings in sex appeal in the mod and be 85+. There are other ratings like star quality that can be used as a tool to get girls like Alexa Bliss to be overall appearance wise better than Kelly Kelly. Maybe if you think of the name as "slutty appeal" over "sex appeal" it might help you break your bias. Also I wasn't going to mention it but you described Alexa Bliss as 'amazingly athletic' and it reminded me why on earth is she 91 athleticism in the mod? Look I get it, we like her... but no... just no lol. That goes beyond extreme fanboyism to actual cringe-worthy disillusion of reality. Check out the main TEW 2005 mod that everyone played to get an idea how to balance out ratings in a way that makes for an amazing playing experience. The top woman in the WWE in athleticism would probably be Shayna Baszler or Ronda Rousey however even they would not get a rating higher than something in the 70s most likely in that classic ratings system the same way as a male wrestler would never get a 95 rating for sex appeal. There are also ratings for stuff like flashiness and high flying yet when people try to justify a top rope move as athletic and boost that up or 'shes got a cute tattoo' as sex appeal you end up with very bland workers in the dataset as they are all so well rounded that there is nothing really to do as a booker. Lets stop using the women as examples, lets talk about the men. Hulk Hogan, The Rock, Steve Austin should be A+ star Quality, psychology and charisma then kinda average or below average in the ring. CM Punk could maybe justify a B+ at the very highest in star quality (probably lower) but he has awesome ring stats and can put on amazing matches because of his ability. The mistake many mod makers make is when they fanboy out to CM Punk, Daniel Brian or their favorite wrestler and use the logic "I view them as a star therefor they have star quality" or "I'm into Goth chicks more than playboy models so she should have higher sex appeal" not only does it make booking the worker unrealistic but it means there is no reason for someone like Hulk Hogan or the Rock to even exist in the mod because someone else can do their specialty already plus everything else. Also remember this, WWE is in a decline in regards to their talent and there is no worker anywhere in the world that is clearly the next big star. This is actually a good thing though as it means the player should have a difficult yet exciting choice what direction they want to go with their booking. Braun Strowman has the look but lacks ring ability. Kenny Omega has ring ability but lacks star quality. Anyway I hope that kinda explains it. Sorry if parts came across harsh, its a hard thing to communicate without getting distracted and caught up on individual appearances or individual stats. Its more a general thing about the entire database and making the stats of every worker in the game work together to capture real life and make for a fun experience for the player. PS: I saw Kellyanne a few weeks ago. I'm not going to make a comment on that though lol. It will take me at least a week to do them all properly. I'm probably going to give them on average much lower stats than the other people currently in your database because that's just what I feel they should be when actually playing as these tiny/local companies and to bring their salaries closer to what they really are in real life. So if you want when I'm done you can go in afterwards to their stats and boost them all up 15-30 points across the board to bring them in line with everyone else in your database. The big advantage though is you'll be able to see what each wrestler really is and their traits will be captured properly. For example the high flyers will be high flyers and the giants will be giants. I understand you not knowing them nor do I blame you. Australian wrestling is pretty silly. There are a few hidden gems here but because Australia is so far away from the rest of the world quite a few of them are scared of quitting their other jobs and taking the plunge to travel the world. Quick Question: What do you do when you don't know a workers age? Do you exclude them or guess?</div></blockquote> stop complaining about Alexa Bliss, look at Elias' stats xD, 60 pop, in the ring gets 49, byt he is actually pretty decent, and only has about 65 ent skills, when he is the most entertaining thing in WWE

Fleisch · June 9, 2018

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hazemore" data-cite="Hazemore" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>stop complaining about Alexa Bliss, look at Elias' stats xD, 60 pop, in the ring gets 49, byt he is actually pretty decent, and only has about 65 ent skills, when he is the most entertaining thing in WWE</div></blockquote> We get it. You "walk with Elias". Winged Hussar is giving me constructive criticism, which is helpful, you are just moaning Elias "is underrated while not providing me with any info regarding how good you feel he should be. For the record Elias stats are based off when he was in NXT and I've not had time to update him. What stats do you suggest? As for him being the most entertaining thing in WWE is that opinion or fact? Also, 60 pop sits him in midcard, is he now a contender for the top titles?

Winged Hussar · June 9, 2018

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fleisch" data-cite="Fleisch" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>We get it. You "walk with Elias". Winged Hussar is giving me constructive criticism, which is helpful, you are just moaning Elias "is underrated while not providing me with any info regarding how good you feel he should be. For the record Elias stats are based off when he was in NXT and I've not had time to update him. What stats do you suggest? As for him being the most entertaining thing in WWE is that opinion or fact? Also, 60 pop sits him in midcard, is he now a contender for the top titles?</div></blockquote> Thanks for backing me up. I almost posted something in response to them earlier but decided not to because at this point I've written close to a short essay on something that was meant to be no longer then a couple of sentences lol. Anyway you mentioned you've lost a little passion for this mod and you have other ideas and projects you want to move on to and the next release might be your last. So I think now is a time it would be more tasteful to praise just how good this mod is right now as it currently stands (especially considering you mentioned that you stated this dataset off as only being for yourself and a few friends). Honestly don't stress too much over Europe and Australia. So many people probably turn those regions off anyway to decrease load times. Look forward to your next update, and if it never comes already satisfied with what we've all got so far. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

phoenixnitro · June 9, 2018

Just a tidbit about Over The Edge Flashpoint, an easy fix to make on the fly but this pops up when you start a new game.

<img alt="knfyxAe.png" data-src="https://i.imgur.com/knfyxAe.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

Hazemore · June 9, 2018

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fleisch" data-cite="Fleisch" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>We get it. You "walk with Elias". Winged Hussar is giving me constructive criticism, which is helpful, you are just moaning Elias "is underrated while not providing me with any info regarding how good you feel he should be. For the record Elias stats are based off when he was in NXT and I've not had time to update him. What stats do you suggest? As for him being the most entertaining thing in WWE is that opinion or fact? Also, 60 pop sits him in midcard, is he now a contender for the top titles?</div></blockquote> I'm sorry, my comment didn't help anyone. I think his ent skills should be low/mid 80's, especially charisma. his in the ring, I'm not sure tbh, he isn't great, but a small buff would be nice. he is now number 1 contenders for IC title, so maybe 65 pop? most entertaining is ofc an opinion, however, it is an opinion most people share. Again, I'm sorry for my previous comment, you are doing a great job, and I really want to know when the June data will be out!

southside_hitmen · June 9, 2018

Fleisch mentioned that he is planning the next update for August

Fleisch · June 9, 2018

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="phoenixnitro" data-cite="phoenixnitro" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Just a tidbit about Over The Edge Flashpoint, an easy fix to make on the fly but this pops up when you start a new game. <img alt="knfyxAe.png" data-src="https://i.imgur.com/knfyxAe.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote> Thanks. Fixed the link - no idea why I forgot to put the workers in the actual storyline! <img alt=":o" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/redface.png.900245280682ef18c5d82399a93c5827.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

alpha2117 · June 10, 2018

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fleisch" data-cite="Fleisch" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Thanks. Fixed the link - no idea why I forgot to put the workers in the actual storyline! <img alt=":o" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/redface.png.900245280682ef18c5d82399a93c5827.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote> bad modder. .. bad modder! Anyone would think you are doing this for fun and to benefit others rather than the millions of dollars you are paid.

Hazemore · June 10, 2018

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="southside_hitmen" data-cite="southside_hitmen" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Fleisch mentioned that he is planning the next update for August</div></blockquote> thanks

Hazemore · June 10, 2018

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Winged Hussar" data-cite="Winged Hussar" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Thanks for backing me up. I almost posted something in response to them earlier but decided not to because at this point I've written close to a short essay on something that was meant to be no longer then a couple of sentences lol. Anyway you mentioned you've lost a little passion for this mod and you have other ideas and projects you want to move on to and the next release might be your last. So I think now is a time it would be more tasteful to praise just how good this mod is right now as it currently stands (especially considering you mentioned that you stated this dataset off as only being for yourself and a few friends). Honestly don't stress too much over Europe and Australia. So many people probably turn those regions off anyway to decrease load times. Look forward to your next update, and if it never comes already satisfied with what we've all got so far. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote> yeah sorry about that, I apologized more in my other comment, but I wanted to make sure u know I am sorry.

Fleisch · June 10, 2018

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="alpha2117" data-cite="alpha2117" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>bad modder. .. bad modder! Anyone would think you are doing this for fun and to benefit others rather than the millions of dollars you are paid.</div></blockquote> I do it for the children, and those less fortunate souls who cannot turn water into wine. I am a benevolent modding deity you know. <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> Once RWC is released in August, I will be starting a new data set - for now hush hush, but I think it will be well received. Having fun modding again, who would have thought it!

Efanga · June 10, 2018

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="alpha2117" data-cite="alpha2117" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So you made my point for me - unless you live in Perth you aren't going to know much about their scene. NHPW and EPW are pretty much unknown outside of WA - I've only ever heard about either in conjunction with them using foreign talent I know. RCW (Riot City wrestling) is reasonably well known outside of Central Australia as is IPW NZ outside of NZ. PWA, MCW and the AWF are the best known Australian promotions with PWA and MCW getting higher profile talent like Osprey and Okada to their shows. AWF gets forgotten a bit but it's the one that has lasted the longest out of the modern era promotions and runs shows regularly and do things like the Easter Show and the Supernova conventions and they are largely responsible for keeping the scene going for a long time. Trying to think of what else has a reasonable profile NPW out of Newcastle uses a lot of the PWA people and AWA out of Queensland. The two WA promotions mentioned probably sit around the edge of the top 10 promotions in the region behind MCW, PWA, PWWA, AWF, RCW, IPW NZ & NPW but that's more because of their remoteness preventing any of their talent getting much of a profile outside of their local area than anything else. In general even the largest of those would be Regional.</div></blockquote> Just because you don't know much about EPW doesn't mean it's virtually unknown outside of Perth. They are literally the company that produced Shane Haste & Mikey Nicholls. They are 1/3 Australian companies on Progress's on demand service which is one of the most popular ones on the market. Chris Vice works there and he is currently a champion in ZeroOne, Damian Slater works there and he worked the CWC, Marcius Pitt works there and is literally getting a tag title shot at MCW tomorrow (He is a former tag champ there too). Surprised you didn't mention Wrestle Rampage aswell that would have to be one of the other better Australian companies Since you don't know anything about them I recommend checking them out <img alt=":cool:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

DatIsraeliGuy · June 10, 2018

definitely going to start a diary on this, but I'm not too sure who to use.

WCW is out of the way completely, if it wasn't for their product already, phoenixnitro is doing them, WWE aren't really for me

The current companies that interest me are:

Major League Wrestling - but they aren't that different from real life in here so what's the point?

NWA UK Hammerlock

Stampede (although they have very low momentum and Canada is a barren wasteland)

or finally, WWE anyways, because I love Bray Wyatt and I'm always up for a challenge. Problem is, I'm guessing I won't be the only one to do a diary with them

So now I'm gonna be hoping someone can help my crisis, and choose for me cause i can't make up my mind

Tardelli · June 10, 2018

Stampede would be a nice challenge and a great diary to read.

Also G.L.O.W would be awesome to read.

alpha2117 · June 10, 2018

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Efanga" data-cite="Efanga" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Just because you don't know much about EPW doesn't mean it's virtually unknown outside of Perth. They are literally the company that produced Shane Haste & Mikey Nicholls. They are 1/3 Australian companies on Progress's on demand service which is one of the most popular ones on the market. Chris Vice works there and he is currently a champion in ZeroOne, Damian Slater works there and he worked the CWC, Marcius Pitt works there and is literally getting a tag title shot at MCW tomorrow (He is a former tag champ there too). Surprised you didn't mention Wrestle Rampage aswell that would have to be one of the other better Australian companies Since you don't know anything about them I recommend checking them out <img alt=":cool:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote> Not denigrating them or the quality of the workers or product - any company based in WA is automatically going to struggle to get much attention outside of that area. Perth is the most isolated Major City on earth (furthest from the next major city) which means it's talent doesn't get as much exposure in the rest of the region. The RCW, MCW, PWA people do appear in the other areas and IPW tried to get a spinoff going up on the Gold Coast (not sure if it's still going) and people like Evie appeared in the East Coast promotions pretty regularly. AWF of course had a TV show (Aurora is still a channel ... well barely) so they have some awareness across the region that general fans may know. Some workers from WA do travel East and work shows but it's a long way to go unless you've got some other work or a ton of bookings. The problem with Progress's service is of course most people here (Australia) know pretty much nada about Progress meaning that people aren't going to hunt it down. It's all WWE in terms of coverage, NJPW toured earlier this year, IMPCT used to have shows on TV but not for quite a while now, sadly no ROH coverage ever. The hardcore base may know Progress and therefore know how to access EPW coverage but general wrestling fans probably don't. We know more about the scene in other areas because we are clearly hardcore enough to buy a wrestling game but a general fan is going to see the saturation WWE coverage and probably be satisfied with either the FOX coverage or the WWE Network or the cut-down shows that 9 shows on one of it's channels. I have no idea what the purchase rates of any of the non E subscriptions services but I cant imagine we are talking large numbers of people. Like I said the largest fed in Australasia would be lucky to be a small regional and to be honest I'm not even sure any of them are that large. I wish it was different. I wish Lucha Underground, ROH, New Japan etc got their shows on Australian TV but right at the moment it's sadly not the case. Now in new that effects the mod itself Spoilers - New Japan went title change crazy today Michael Elgin won the NEVER Openweight title The Young Bucks won the IWGP Tag Team Hiromu Takahashi won the IWGP Jr Heavyweight title Chris Jericho won the IWGP Intercontinental title Kenny Omega won the WGP Heavyweight Championship in 1 2/3 falls match that went well over the hour mark (66 I think) At the end of the show it appears that Omega, Ibushi & The Young Bucks have formed a new faction - Shirts with "The Elite" with Change the world at the back are on sale at Pro-Wrestling tees and there are pics around with the 4 and the shirt - it's unclear if the faction is The Elite or more likely the Golden Elite. Cody started to come to the ring stared at them and then retreated to the back. I assume a Bullet Club v Elite feud is coming. Anyone would think that New Japan was making a serious push into the Western Market ... oh wait .... New Japan are making a serious push into the Western market

DatIsraeliGuy · June 10, 2018

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Tardelli" data-cite="Tardelli" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Stampede would be a nice challenge and a great diary to read. Also G.L.O.W would be awesome to read.</div></blockquote> I would love to do GLOW but i know nothing about them other than they are a women's company and had a netflix show. But Stampede... Oje Hart... mmmmmm, I'm interested

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