The Official ThunderVerse Thread

Markw · August 5, 2018

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BigINMoldova" data-cite="BigINMoldova" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41411" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I've never gotten why Allman is a villain. I guess he has an ego but he's still right about most things. He's not perfect but I don't see him as a villain.</div></blockquote> I completely agree, you can be a hypocrite, and have negative personality traits, without being a villain. I think it's fairly established that Paul Heyman is a fairly frequent liar, but he produced one of the most entertaining companies in history and is a fantastic on screen character - I suspect very few people would see him as a villain. I think the thing is, most people are hypocrites in some way shape or form (and certainly - in the real world - most behind the scenes wrestling personalities are). But because Allman makes the decisions for the biggest company in America, regularly runs his mouth about it and so clearly defines his vision, his hypocrisy would be far easier to spot than most. The way his crusade is talked about suggests he's also very confident about his opinions, and he's clearly willing to take shots at people who don't fit into it. That would undoubtedly rub a lot of people and fans the wrong way, even if he is often right - see CM Punk.

Jon The GOAT · August 5, 2018

Shane Allman is the type of guy you write an American Hustle or Wolf of Wall Street about.

Skywalker1976 · August 6, 2018

Excellent feedback and agree, Allman is one of the most interesting characters in the whole TEW universe. Also cannot find any real world characters that remind me of him.

Btw. do we know what exactly he has done in recent years to annoy so many people in the business. I mean even if he was a bit of a loud mouth that would not be so unusual for the wrestling business. Or is it the success and stigma of being a market leader? Outside of his war with AWF I only remember a fallout with Nick Hart.

Will let you know how the women division works, kind of have a women revolution a la NXT in mind, which should not be to hard to pull off.

Big Roguey · August 6, 2018

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Skywalker1976" data-cite="Skywalker1976" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41411" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div> Btw. do we know what exactly he has done in recent years to annoy so many people in the business. I mean even if he was a bit of a loud mouth that would not be so unusual for the wrestling business. Or is it the success and stigma of being a market leader? Outside of his war with AWF I only remember a fallout with Nick Hart.</div></blockquote> Habit of working around TEW's limitations. You know that one guy in your office/school/social circle that has an opinion on everything and it just so happens to always be the right opinion? Times that by 100 and you get Allman. Loudmouthed, arrogant and always right. It's hard to simulate in TEW because to do so would have Allman have like 1000 negative relationships. He's a bit like Cornette is irl. He will open his mouth and let fly but if he has a chance to make money, he'll take it.

Bigpapa42 · August 6, 2018

I look at it like the Iron Fist method. Someone thinks they should get a small raise and has the balls to ask Allmann for it? They are going to get yelled at and called stupid. Someone has an idea they want to put forward for their character or match? They are going to get yelled at and called stupid. Basically, only the boss knows how things should be and you better just shut up and accept it.

Heyman lied, but Heyman also inspired. And a lot of his lies were with the intent of trying to keep things going (doesn't make it a whole lot better, but...). I've seen multiple wrestlers say he would often give pre-show speeches that made everyone want to do everything they could. I don't Allmann doing that. And I don't necessity see him as a liar - rather, I think he would tend to be brutally honest and a bit manipulative.

For some real fun, look up the kind of behaviors someone with a Narcissistic Personality Disorder might demonstrate. Give him a few of those. Loads of fun.

Markw · August 6, 2018

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Bigpapa42" data-cite="Bigpapa42" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41411" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I look at it like the Iron Fist method. Someone thinks they should get a small raise and has the balls to ask Allmann for it? They are going to get yelled at and called stupid. Someone has an idea they want to put forward for their character or match? They are going to get yelled at and called stupid. Basically, only the boss knows how things should be and you better just shut up and accept it. Heyman lied, but Heyman also inspired. And a lot of his lies were with the intent of trying to keep things going (doesn't make it a whole lot better, but...). I've seen multiple wrestlers say he would often give pre-show speeches that made everyone want to do everything they could. I don't Allmann doing that. And I don't necessity see him as a liar - rather, I think he would tend to be brutally honest and a bit manipulative. For some real fun, look up the kind of behaviors someone with a Narcissistic Personality Disorder might demonstrate. Give him a few of those. Loads of fun.</div></blockquote> I wasn't drawing similarities between him and Heyman, just pointing out wrestling personalities can have negative personality traits and still be generally likeable. I do think there'd be a heavy dose of us against the World with Allman that could endear his locker room (in general) to him. His roster isn't full of the best wrestlers, but the game seems to imply that he claims his athletes are the best around. That's got to sound good to the guys on the inside of it. He can't paint PWI as being the best around and everything else as being awful if he's brutally honest all the time. Plus I think ultimately most fans would love Allman. Wrestling was awful for years with the WWWE and Allman has reinvented it, and made it much better.

Azul · August 25, 2018

Speaking of Allman, do you feel like a heavy T&A female division would be unrealistic for the concept of Allman and PWI? I realize there is no "right way" to play the game but I like to be somewhat realistic.

Jon The GOAT · August 25, 2018

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Azul" data-cite="Azul" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41411" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Speaking of Allman, do you feel like a heavy T&A female division would be unrealistic for the concept of Allman and PWI? I realize there is no "right way" to play the game but I like to be somewhat realistic.</div></blockquote> I imagine you could find some twisted way to justify it but I have a hard time seeing Allman doing anything but claiming hes responsible for a WWE type womens revolution when there have been plenty of great women indies around all along. One thing i could see him doing for high T&A is having valet girls and ring girls, and probably CMLL style entrance girls.

Azul · August 25, 2018

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jon The GOAT" data-cite="Jon The GOAT" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41411" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>One thing i could see him doing for high T&A is having valet girls and ring girls, and probably CMLL style entrance girls. </div></blockquote> This is what I was thinking of doing after thinking about it a bit longer. I want to have PWI put on shows like the NXT Takeovers and I feel like having a complete female division won't be able to put up the in ring numbers that some of the possible male wrestlers I can sign will.

Big Roguey · August 25, 2018

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jon The GOAT" data-cite="Jon The GOAT" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41411" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I imagine you could find some twisted way to justify it but I have a hard time seeing Allman doing anything but claiming hes responsible for a WWE type womens revolution when there have been plenty of great women indies around all along. One thing i could see him doing for high T&A is having valet girls and ring girls, and probably CMLL style entrance girls.</div></blockquote> get out of my braiiiiiiiiiiiiiin

Atticus · August 30, 2018

Incoming wall of text. I can't believe it's been a little over three years since I last sunk my teeth into a T-Verse game with AWF. But I guess it's a blessing too because it's like rediscovering this world allll over again. I had a year-long NJPW game that ended after I poached wayyy too much WWE talent and I just had too many guys I didn't want to waste (One day my Danielson/Joe/Styles stable will come to life :') ). Watching the G1 and 5*GP got me itching for TEW again, especially with a Japanese company, so why not return to the T-Verse for something new? And now I'm running a game with UPJ, ready to make the same mistakes and poach away everyone from AWF!!!

If I recall, I believe UPJ starts off with a regular schedule, but I turned that to touring for those juicy touring contracts that I will 100% forget to renew after a tour ends at least once. I like my rosters big too and I think UPJ starts at almost 40, but I'm sitting at a little over 50, which isn't compared to the 80 I had in my NJPW game, but it's a start. Once I hit national though and then open a developmental company, may god help the companies I will poach. Also did an overhaul of the events and am slowly making a bigger weight class divide. Planning to bring back the Jr. HW tag belts then have heavyweight and junior cups in November, where I'll also crown the Jr. HW Tag Champs too. Then having December's Hall Of Immortals be my big Wrestle Kingdom.

All part of my plan to slowly turn UPJ into NJPW, but with three months of the year off. Haven't created my version of the IWGP just yet, so I renamed the International title to World title (with plans of world domination of course), but I might just rename it the UPJ Heavyweight too, so I can then rename the tag belts to the UPJ Tag Team. Created the UPJ Intercontinental Championship and it won't be long before I come up with some knockoff concept for the NEVER Openweight. Then stop at three...for now. Ideally I want to get to the point where I can run two or three PPVs some months to let the IC belt and to-be-named belt main event just because I get into a nasty habit of having every belt defended on one show and I hate doing that. Might have February and October serve as that for the next year.

The June-August tour is basically my big two tours with the Junior Mountain Cup and Ozeki Summit Trophy being back to back. Running a World Tag League and Super Juniors Tag tournament at the same time in mid-October to late November because why not more tournaments? Get everyone involved before Hall of Immortals. Then I'm doing a United Promotions Cup in March because more tournaments.

Spent my off-month in January setting up the roster and splitting everyone up into 5 stables. There's the original three, Hall of the United Throne, FEARLESS, RENEGADES and then I added Three Kings and DOOM (A super creative name for my version of CHAOS, I know).

The Hall stays true to their description. Not all necessarily super good guys, but guys loyal to UPJ (and hate Erik van Rijn). Kintaro is the "leader" of the loose alliance with Kato, Goto, and Kozue right behind him. Even though Ignite Zero are angled as heels, I like to more so imagine them as guys jumping into the "good guy" team to rise up the ranks and then turn on them down the line for their split from the tag division into solo competition. Even works with Kato going after Kintaro and Goto after Kozue. The Hunters are in there, Captain UPJ. Takanori Sakurai is in there to serve as another guy waiting to turn on the stable basically. HashiWara too. Tossed Aleki Puafisi into there as he's been kayfabe adopted by Kintaro, but I fully expect to have Aleki join Kato and Goto when they split off, especially with his face paint alt.

RENEGADES stay evil/cool of course. Erik van Rijn serves as THE leader and Furosuto serving as a number 2. Along with the OGs of Cassidy, Farrell, TEMPEST, and Miller, I also tossed in Ram Diablo (who can serve as a possible defector down the line if time decline doesn't end him), Mr Yamashita because I just know I'm going to hate him, so why not have him in the big heel stable, and added in Fergus Storm (for obvious reasons) and I'm toying with the idea of bringing in Adrian Storm full time. At 19, I almost feel he's a bit too young to do anything serious with, so he's just touring now and based off their bios, I don't mind having Fergus go in alone.

FEARLESS is still led by Oda Yamawaki and these guys were seen as the third wheel, now they're the fourth wheel. Along with TOKI, Otsuka, Nakada, and Haruko Yamada, I tossed in Gao Xi as a kayfabe protege/mascot of the group's youth oriented focus. Also tossed in the Tokyo Tigers for the same reason. I generally see this stable as more tweener than anything.

DOOM is led by Juro Deguchi. In kayfabe and with a lot of creative gymnastics since Juro is naturally (and skillfully) a babyface, Juro split off from The Hall after feeling a bit shafted that Kintaro has become the official ace and that in less about of time, Kintaro is close to surpassing what Juro's done in UPJ. Despite being 40, Juro feels he still has a lot to offer and here is DOOM! Also with him is Waotaka Eda (with his hatred of EVR and distaste for Kintaro/Oda), as well as Pain & Torture and Tiger Singh. With Juro's turn, he brought in Crimson Matsuka, Junichi Matsuo, Dark Wolf II, Ryder, and Utamara because cool, dark masks make for a good heel stable. And Junichi's pretty boy gimmick too. Only thing I'm missing to 100% make this a CHAOS ripoff is my Okada.

Three Kings isn't anything too flashy (or technically even a stable, but three qualifies to me). Just saw that Alejandro Iglesias, Sean Girven, and Nathan Jordan are all friends as well as different nationalities, which is a neat gimmick. They play real tweener too and I don't really have plans on expanding them (for obvious naming reasons), but who knows. Probably a gaijin overload, but I love the potential these three have too much. The locking down of guys who will probably never truly reach the tip top has already started. But if Iglesias keeps staying negative (he will) and keeps trying to turn Jordan negative too haha i will die inside when i banish him from the company.

Rest of the roster is just touring folks, misfits, young lions, and the vets. Unofficially "led" by Takehide, Thunder, and Hidetsugu. Ace Smith is a touring pick up who will most likely become a full time member of the roster (just one more gaijin to add onto the pile, folks!). Picked up Ryan Strong as well. J.T. Rush and Derek Grace too, to maybe fit one or both into my BOSJ (or maybe junior tag division possibly).

Oh and speaking of tournaments, I kicked off the first tour with a tournament for the Intercontinental Championship! A tournament that would see Juro Deguchi defeat Kintaro Kinjo for the belt, because really, who better than Juro to hold the IC belt? Helps cement Juro's split with DOOM and the obvious feud between the two. The big event also saw EVR retain over Waotaka and Furosuto over Kozue. Ignite Zero retained against Pain & Torture, getting like a 95+ and a 100 performance score which also settled it in my mind that these two will 1000% betray Kintaro and The Hall. Elsewhere on the card, the Three Kings established themselves a bit more and gave Takehide a win over Oda's stable to set up Oda getting his win back in the UPJ Cup. I was also setting up Crimson to be another strong heavyweight, but he hit the Time Decline in March and while it's only started, I'm not going to invest too much in him now, which is good news for the next interesting heavyweight I can find (Maybe ICHIBEI?)

Rolling into the United Promotions Cup, I originally wanted to have Takehide beat Oda (then Oda getting his win back later), but Takehide's time decline is a lot worse than I thought. So then the plan became for Oda to beat Kato. Oda's gonna lose to van Rijn, but assuming I make it further into the game, basically gonna work up with him to being the eventually next ace after Kintaro I think. EVD, Kintaro, and Juro had a quiet night (bad booking on my part), might need to add another event in March to spice it up a bit. Or at least set up an IC title defense next year. Furosuto did retain against Junichi Matsuo, which is exciting. Also had Ram Diablo go over TOKI INK because I love me some Ram, but at 41, I gotta milk all the time I've got with him before that decline hits.

Processions of Champions sees EVR retain in the main event against Oda, Juro retained against Ram, Kintaro gets one over on Waotaka (mainly to make up for him losing in the IC tournament and the UPJ Cup), Furosuto retained against Hidetsugu (to give him a bit of a boost heading into the BOSJ), and North American Scum pulled the tag belts off of Ignite Zero so I can have a heavyweight team holding them for the rebranding and weight class split of the tag belts.

I'll probably update again after my BOSJ/G1 tour or maybe just when my Hall of Immortals show is done. Ideally I think my main event will be Kintaro taking the strap off of Erik van Rijn and getting a proper ace reign, but I'm not necessarily a big fan of potential back-to-back year long reigns. So I might just have Juro lose the IC belt in August then pick up the UPJ World from Erik in October. A two month reign isn't ideal, but I don't know if I have enough faith in Juro not going on the decline in 2017 to hold off on a proper build. Then again, Juro could just hit the time decline before the G1 and make things a lot easier on me.

Also saw Jon The Goat's post way back in the thread with the Blue Rhino Openweight titles and I'm 100% stealing those. Very excited for when my next post is me fueling my belt addiction and now everyone in UPJ holds a belt.

My Junior Mountain Cup isn't really set in stone yet either. There's no real clear cut ace of the juniors to me. Basically have settled on it either being Goto or Tiger Singh. Might even do that, have one of them beat Furosuto in August then have the two meet at Hall of Immortals. Nathan Jordan might be the long term answer? Maybe spooky ONI who can replace equally spooky Crimson because any good roster has at least 1 spooky man on it. And the tag division is spooky too (and not in a good way), but I've got plenty of time to be worried about that (save me Tokyo Tigers).

Almost crossing my fingers for that Juro time decline come next post.

Big Roguey · August 30, 2018

push dustin lefever

Atticus · August 30, 2018

push dustin lefever

I'm not falling for your evil tricks

Sigilistic · August 31, 2018

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Atticus" data-cite="Atticus" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41411" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Incoming wall of text. I can't believe it's been a little over three years since I last sunk my teeth into a T-Verse game with AWF. But I guess it's a blessing too because it's like rediscovering this world allll over again. I had a year-long NJPW game that ended after I poached wayyy too much WWE talent and I just had too many guys I didn't want to waste (One day my Danielson/Joe/Styles stable will come to life :') ). Watching the G1 and 5*GP got me itching for TEW again, especially with a Japanese company, so why not return to the T-Verse for something new? And now I'm running a game with UPJ, ready to make the same mistakes and poach away everyone from AWF!!! If I recall, I believe UPJ starts off with a regular schedule, but I turned that to touring for those juicy touring contracts that I will 100% forget to renew after a tour ends at least once. I like my rosters big too and I think UPJ starts at almost 40, but I'm sitting at a little over 50, which isn't compared to the 80 I had in my NJPW game, but it's a start. Once I hit national though and then open a developmental company, may god help the companies I will poach. Also did an overhaul of the events and am slowly making a bigger weight class divide. Planning to bring back the Jr. HW tag belts then have heavyweight and junior cups in November, where I'll also crown the Jr. HW Tag Champs too. Then having December's Hall Of Immortals be my big Wrestle Kingdom. All part of my plan to slowly turn UPJ into NJPW, but with three months of the year off. Haven't created my version of the IWGP just yet, so I renamed the International title to World title (with plans of world domination of course), but I might just rename it the UPJ Heavyweight too, so I can then rename the tag belts to the UPJ Tag Team. Created the UPJ Intercontinental Championship and it won't be long before I come up with some knockoff concept for the NEVER Openweight. Then stop at three...for now. Ideally I want to get to the point where I can run two or three PPVs some months to let the IC belt and to-be-named belt main event just because I get into a nasty habit of having every belt defended on one show and I hate doing that. Might have February and October serve as that for the next year. The June-August tour is basically my big two tours with the Junior Mountain Cup and Ozeki Summit Trophy being back to back. Running a World Tag League and Super Juniors Tag tournament at the same time in mid-October to late November because why not more tournaments? Get everyone involved before Hall of Immortals. Then I'm doing a United Promotions Cup in March because more tournaments. Spent my off-month in January setting up the roster and splitting everyone up into 5 stables. There's the original three, Hall of the United Throne, FEARLESS, RENEGADES and then I added Three Kings and DOOM (A super creative name for my version of CHAOS, I know). The Hall stays true to their description. Not all necessarily super good guys, but guys loyal to UPJ (and hate Erik van Rijn). Kintaro is the "leader" of the loose alliance with Kato, Goto, and Kozue right behind him. Even though Ignite Zero are angled as heels, I like to more so imagine them as guys jumping into the "good guy" team to rise up the ranks and then turn on them down the line for their split from the tag division into solo competition. Even works with Kato going after Kintaro and Goto after Kozue. The Hunters are in there, Captain UPJ. Takanori Sakurai is in there to serve as another guy waiting to turn on the stable basically. HashiWara too. Tossed Aleki Puafisi into there as he's been kayfabe adopted by Kintaro, but I fully expect to have Aleki join Kato and Goto when they split off, especially with his face paint alt. RENEGADES stay evil/cool of course. Erik van Rijn serves as THE leader and Furosuto serving as a number 2. Along with the OGs of Cassidy, Farrell, TEMPEST, and Miller, I also tossed in Ram Diablo (who can serve as a possible defector down the line if time decline doesn't end him), Mr Yamashita because I just know I'm going to hate him, so why not have him in the big heel stable, and added in Fergus Storm (for obvious reasons) and I'm toying with the idea of bringing in Adrian Storm full time. At 19, I almost feel he's a bit too young to do anything serious with, so he's just touring now and based off their bios, I don't mind having Fergus go in alone. FEARLESS is still led by Oda Yamawaki and these guys were seen as the third wheel, now they're the fourth wheel. Along with TOKI, Otsuka, Nakada, and Haruko Yamada, I tossed in Gao Xi as a kayfabe protege/mascot of the group's youth oriented focus. Also tossed in the Tokyo Tigers for the same reason. I generally see this stable as more tweener than anything. DOOM is led by Juro Deguchi. In kayfabe and with a lot of creative gymnastics since Juro is naturally (and skillfully) a babyface, Juro split off from The Hall after feeling a bit shafted that Kintaro has become the official ace and that in less about of time, Kintaro is close to surpassing what Juro's done in UPJ. Despite being 40, Juro feels he still has a lot to offer and here is DOOM! Also with him is Waotaka Eda (with his hatred of EVR and distaste for Kintaro/Oda), as well as Pain & Torture and Tiger Singh. With Juro's turn, he brought in Crimson Matsuka, Junichi Matsuo, Dark Wolf II, Ryder, and Utamara because cool, dark masks make for a good heel stable. And Junichi's pretty boy gimmick too. Only thing I'm missing to 100% make this a CHAOS ripoff is my Okada. Three Kings isn't anything too flashy (or technically even a stable, but three qualifies to me). Just saw that Alejandro Iglesias, Sean Girven, and Nathan Jordan are all friends as well as different nationalities, which is a neat gimmick. They play real tweener too and I don't really have plans on expanding them (for obvious naming reasons), but who knows. Probably a gaijin overload, but I love the potential these three have too much. The locking down of guys who will probably never truly reach the tip top has already started. But if Iglesias keeps staying negative (he will) and keeps trying to turn Jordan negative too haha i will die inside when i banish him from the company. Rest of the roster is just touring folks, misfits, young lions, and the vets. Unofficially "led" by Takehide, Thunder, and Hidetsugu. Ace Smith is a touring pick up who will most likely become a full time member of the roster (just one more gaijin to add onto the pile, folks!). Picked up Ryan Strong as well. J.T. Rush and Derek Grace too, to maybe fit one or both into my BOSJ (or maybe junior tag division possibly). Oh and speaking of tournaments, I kicked off the first tour with a tournament for the Intercontinental Championship! A tournament that would see Juro Deguchi defeat Kintaro Kinjo for the belt, because really, who better than Juro to hold the IC belt? Helps cement Juro's split with DOOM and the obvious feud between the two. The big event also saw EVR retain over Waotaka and Furosuto over Kozue. Ignite Zero retained against Pain & Torture, getting like a 95+ and a 100 performance score which also settled it in my mind that these two will 1000% betray Kintaro and The Hall. Elsewhere on the card, the Three Kings established themselves a bit more and gave Takehide a win over Oda's stable to set up Oda getting his win back in the UPJ Cup. I was also setting up Crimson to be another strong heavyweight, but he hit the Time Decline in March and while it's only started, I'm not going to invest too much in him now, which is good news for the next interesting heavyweight I can find (Maybe ICHIBEI?) Rolling into the United Promotions Cup, I originally wanted to have Takehide beat Oda (then Oda getting his win back later), but Takehide's time decline is a lot worse than I thought. So then the plan became for Oda to beat Kato. Oda's gonna lose to van Rijn, but assuming I make it further into the game, basically gonna work up with him to being the eventually next ace after Kintaro I think. EVD, Kintaro, and Juro had a quiet night (bad booking on my part), might need to add another event in March to spice it up a bit. Or at least set up an IC title defense next year. Furosuto did retain against Junichi Matsuo, which is exciting. Also had Ram Diablo go over TOKI INK because I love me some Ram, but at 41, I gotta milk all the time I've got with him before that decline hits. Processions of Champions sees EVR retain in the main event against Oda, Juro retained against Ram, Kintaro gets one over on Waotaka (mainly to make up for him losing in the IC tournament and the UPJ Cup), Furosuto retained against Hidetsugu (to give him a bit of a boost heading into the BOSJ), and North American Scum pulled the tag belts off of Ignite Zero so I can have a heavyweight team holding them for the rebranding and weight class split of the tag belts. I'll probably update again after my BOSJ/G1 tour or maybe just when my Hall of Immortals show is done. Ideally I think my main event will be Kintaro taking the strap off of Erik van Rijn and getting a proper ace reign, but I'm not necessarily a big fan of potential back-to-back year long reigns. So I might just have Juro lose the IC belt in August then pick up the UPJ World from Erik in October. A two month reign isn't ideal, but I don't know if I have enough faith in Juro not going on the decline in 2017 to hold off on a proper build. Then again, Juro could just hit the time decline before the G1 and make things a lot easier on me. Also saw Jon The Goat's post way back in the thread with the Blue Rhino Openweight titles and I'm 100% stealing those. Very excited for when my next post is me fueling my belt addiction and now everyone in UPJ holds a belt. My Junior Mountain Cup isn't really set in stone yet either. There's no real clear cut ace of the juniors to me. Basically have settled on it either being Goto or Tiger Singh. Might even do that, have one of them beat Furosuto in August then have the two meet at Hall of Immortals. Nathan Jordan might be the long term answer? Maybe spooky ONI who can replace equally spooky Crimson because any good roster has at least 1 spooky man on it. And the tag division is spooky too (and not in a good way), but I've got plenty of time to be worried about that (save me Tokyo Tigers). Almost crossing my fingers for that Juro time decline come next post.</div></blockquote> I'm really curious how you book your shows. Do you use angles at all? What do your touring event cards look like?

Big Roguey · September 1, 2018

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Atticus" data-cite="Atticus" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41411" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'm not falling for your evil tricks</div></blockquote> do it or no supper for you.

Atticus · September 1, 2018

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Sigilistic" data-cite="Sigilistic" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41411" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'm really curious how you book your shows. Do you use angles at all? What do your touring event cards look like?</div></blockquote> Similar to how New Japan shows will end, I'll have the winner of the main event cut a promo to send the people home. Since the main event of a tour show is always a multi-man tag match for me, I make sure that at least Kintaro, Juro, EVR, or sometimes Oda are in the main event so they can cut a promo for their team. I took this tactic from DerekB in his BHOTWG game, which is I'll have a video package or two play early in the night too, just to get that extra boost to the overall. Maybe an extra promo if I want to get someone's skill up (like Oda and Juro). Whenever I played as NJPW, I always made sure Bullet Club and Suzuki-gun never fought since they were both the bad boy heels. Don't really have that situation in UPJ yet (i guess RENEGADES and DOOM, but eh), so my cards are usually 6 matches a show with constant faction warfare. I mix up 5v5, 4v4, 3v3, some 2v2s, and the occasional 1v1 with a vet taking on a young lion or letting the tour guys shine. I map my PPVs out for a whole tour then have my Road To touring shows preview what's happening. So if I'm booking Erik van Rijn (current champ) against Oda Yamawaki at my PPV, I'll have Oda pin EVR in a multi-man tag match to allow him to challenge in a post match promo (which the champion always accepts for me bc i am not very creative), then do EVR + random combinations of RENEGADES vs. Oda + random combinations of FEARLESS in various multi-man matches until the PPV rolls around. It gets tedious, but it's a good way of helping a bunch of people improve plus if I do a 2v2, I can find chemistry and what not. Then I just rinse and repeat that for every other PPV match. If Juro Deguchi is taking on Ram Diablo at the PPV, I'll do Juro + DOOM vs. Ram + RENEGADES and so on with everything else. I won't have EVR vs. Oda on every card because I'll sometimes need them for other stuff, but I try to keep RENEGADES vs. FEARLESS or what needed faction vs. faction I need going on elsewhere on the card, even if the leaders aren't involved. Someone probably has a way more efficient style out there tbh.

Matt_Black · September 3, 2018

I asked this in the booking committee thread, but I'll ask here too. I'm playing POW and I'm looking to hire 2 heel workers to balance out the roster. Any recommendations?

Big Roguey · September 3, 2018

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Matt_Black" data-cite="Matt_Black" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41411" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I asked this in the booking committee thread, but I'll ask here too. I'm playing POW and I'm looking to hire 2 heel workers to balance out the roster. Any recommendations?</div></blockquote> What kinda roles you looking to fill? Heel big bad, a heel tag team to bolster the ranks or just general bodies to be kept around?

de knegt · September 3, 2018

If you just need a few cheap hands to talk the talk and be decent in the ring, here's a few suggestions...

Carmine Perotti (debuts after a few months, Really good on the mic, can be a bit of a dbag)

Ion (Excellent heel performance, good in ring too, positive influence)

Kevin Aluka (Strong heel, all-round talent)

The Warrior (good influence, v. charismatic)

Wakizashi (Good in the ring, good heel, Doesn't speak English and can use a manager)

Larry Lightning (Can work as a heel, but his look/gimmick just screams goofy face to me)

Matt_Black · September 3, 2018

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Matt_Black" data-cite="Matt_Black" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41411" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I asked this in the booking committee thread, but I'll ask here too. I'm playing POW and I'm looking to hire 2 heel workers to balance out the roster. Any recommendations?</div></blockquote> Most importantly, I want someone who fits thematically and is Good or better at playing a heel. After that, I'd like Good Comedy, Charisma or Psychology, but I'm flexible on that.

Yokai · September 3, 2018

Dante Laff & Twinkle seem like they'd fit POW as heels. Could even pair them up if they've got decent chemistry.

Atticus · September 5, 2018

Woo, another longish UPJ update for my TVerse people. One show away from Hall of Immortals, which is pretty hype. After spending a good chunk of the year averaging low 80s/high 70s, we've now moved onto averaging in the 80-87 range with the occasional 90+. We hit the threshold to grow National, but I usually like to hold off on that for a month just to make sure I don't somehow botch it right away. So I imagine we'll officially move up from Cult to National in December, which is real neato. In preparation for a rise to National, I went ahead and opened up a developmental territory in July. Still restraining myself a bit from poaching everyone and also bringing in too many gaijins (i've got a lot already and it gets worse every month). Future ace Dustin LeFever waits for his time to shine.

Our first big boy tournament was the Junior Mountain Cup and you may remember I had no idea who was going to win it, but decided it'd be between Goto and Tiger Singh at the very least. And oh boy, did Tiger Singh disappoint, though to be fair, he was still one of the better performers, just didn't perform as well as hoped. But you know who didn't disappoint? Aydan Farrell! And he won! Mainly thanks to a Furosuto/Singh match tanking early on and me not wanting Goto to win it here. Here's a rundown of the two blocks

Block A: Goto, Junichi Matsuo, Kozue, Shingo Hashi, Dark Wolf II, Leon de Oro, Fergus Storm, Utamara, Mr. Yamashita, Nakano Yuki

Block B: Aydan Farrell, Ryotaro Naruto, Furosuto, Tiger Singh, Nathan Jordan, Magobei Morita, Akito Nakada, Hidetsugu Genji, Ryder, Ryuko Mishamoto

Kozue was MVP of the tournament with an average of an 81, making me question if I did the right thing, but he had his time! I also think this marks the first gaijin to win it? So that's kinda neat. Similar to my NJPW game, the junior tournament wasn't spectacular and just shows some definite room for improvement, but thankfully there are a lot of promising young lions to make up for it down the line.

I managed to get Ryotaro Naruto after he left DRAGON (or was fired i can't recall), so 41ish and not in a time decline, he's doing wonders for my junior division alongside Kozue, Goto, Farrell, and Furosuto (who got a nice SQ bump after juicing up (allegedly)). Still would love a clear cut Ace for the Juniors, but nothing yet. Though Kozue or Furosuto (or even Goto) may take that role over come 2017. Even if only for a moment.

And much like my NJPW game and my G1, the Ozeki Summit was baller, thus I will write more about it! Unbeknownst to me, there's a story in the game that boosts Kintaro Kinjo's popularity to insane heights, as if I needed anymore reason to have him win, and then he'd be my MVP with an average of an 86 overall match rating. Though, it helped that his block was stacked with Deguchi, Diablo, Ace Smith, Alejandro Iglesias, and Oda. And here's a glance at the rest of that block

Block A: Kintaro Kinjo, Oda Yamawaki, Juro Deguchi, Alejandro Iglesias, Ace Smith, Bruiser Cassidy, Ram Diablo, Captain UPJ, Otojiro Ikina, Richie Santana Jr.

Gaijin heavy block, but that's how she rolls. Thanks to a upset win by Ace Smith on Day 1 then a loss later on to Yamawaki, Deguchi would find himself eliminated just before the final day, but had a chance to ruin Kintaro's night with a victory that'd let Oda win. And it ended in a 30-minute time limit draw, just allowing Kintaro to etch on and win in a 97/A* match (my first A+ match!). Also discovered that Kintaro and Yamawaki have great chemistry, which just makes the Tanahashi/Okada connection even stronger.

Ram Diablo unfortunately hit his Time Decline a month or two before the tournament, so his already borderline average stamina dipped some more, but he still put up a good tournament run. Iglesias and Smith (who has now joined Three Kings, now being Four Kings...and probably The Kingdom soon enough) had a great run as did Richie Santana Jr., who I brought in for the tour. He even got a 92/A with Kinjo one night. I'm too loaded with gaijin right now to sign him, but thanks to Diablo's decline, Santana will probably find his way onto my roster full time soon enough.

Onto Block B! Wasn't as top loaded as the other block, but there were some pleasant surprises here. Mainly in the form of Sean Girven and a Graham Mackenzie on the Time Decline. And just like the other block, this was a tightly contested race between four men at the end of the tournament, but it was Kato who walked away with Block B. Here were the participants

Block B: Kato, Sean Girven, Erik van Rijn, Waotaka Eda, Koji Yamada, Takanori Sakurai, Avalanche Miyagi, TEMPEST Masato, TOKI INK, Graham Mackenzie

If I was smarter, I probably would've switched out The Hunters to be in different blocks, but oops. The big story of this one was who was gonna win it since those first four were undefeated deep into the tournament. On the final day, you had a 4-way tie (at least, I think it was). Eda held a win over Kato and Girven held a win over EVR. The first big match saw Girven beat Eda, but his dreams of winning were crushed once Kato beat EVR in the main event. I'd like to say I planned it like that all along, but it was mostly all luck.

Girven really shined in this tournament in what I thought would be the weaker block and I was super impressed while also being bummed out because I hate having all these gaijins in top positions!! But they're too good. And even though he was in a rough decline, Mackenzie put together some solid matches.

Fast forward a few days to the Ozeki Summit finale. In the undercard, Furosuto retains against Aydan Farrell and then we move our way on up to the main event between stablemates Kintaro Kinjo and Kato. I had high hopes for the match heading into it, but once I saw that Kinjo peaked at a 97 for stamina and Kato worked his way up to a 93, I figured after the Deguchi/Kinjo 30-minute draw, we needed to go bigger, and these two went 59 (technically 60) minutes down to the wire! And it resulted in a 100/A* match my GOD. I knew Kinjo had it in him, but Kato worried me a bit because his consistency rating is super average. Also planting more seeds for Ignite Zero breaking away.

The tour wrapped up and now we're onto our big Heavyweight and Junior tag tournaments to finish up the year. Before that though, we ran a "B-level" PPV which featured EVR retaining against Girven in the main event. Deguchi also retained his IC belt against Ace Smith. North American Scum have now defended against Pain & Torture as well as The Hunters. Furosuto retained in a great match against Ryotaro Naruto. It's almost sad knowing that van Rijn's and Furosuto's year long reigns are coming to an end very soon. But move over, it's One True Ace Kintaro Kinjo's time!!! And at 37, we need to hurry up and give him a total of 8 reigns to break the record!!!

As for the tag tournaments, we'll most likely see the duo of Iglesias and Girven win the heavyweight portion while HashiWara will win the junior portion (and the junior tag belts as well). After that, I'll be busting out the Blue Rhino Openweight belt and 6-man tag belts too, both to be crowned in December. Probably by Kato or Eda then some gauntlet match for the 6-man belts. And Hall of Immortals will conclude with the main event starting at the 20th hour of the show.

Jon The GOAT · September 8, 2018

Decided to book a ThunderVerse All In for fun. It was called theRebellion, Chase Paige funded it with $1M, basically Easy company creation. The show was held in New York with 7.5K in attendance (sadly we failed to match All In) and 115K buys while airing on Absolute: PPV Choice, MyChoice Canada (we rejected a Paige America deal so we could have more... adult material?). We worked alongside DRAGON Pro Wrestling and United Promotions Japan to get this show done.

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Veteran Ryotaro Naruto faced the movie star Vincent I. Parker in what was the MOTN.

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Mattias (Lothario) Taylor defeated Kris Phoenix for the RAWA World Heavyweight Champion to become the first father-son duo to hold the title with Guy Lotario. Great moment for Mattias.

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After a brutal New York Street Fight with Richie Santana Jr., Tony Pearce was faced with the return of a man he'd thought he killed at WrestleX, Lenny Rhodes. He came out in a rainbow Gay Pride procession and took out Pearce. Terrific moment. Fans loved it.

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GWS People's Representative Champion, Luke Graves, defeated the Over The Budget battle royal winner, Jarid Hart, in a tragic loss for the man who worked so hard to get on the card.

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A dream match here. Sean Girven, the British free agent and Best Bout Machine and member of theRebellion trio w/ Alejandro Iglesias & Nathan Jordan, faced off against Yokai Dragon, the terrific wrestler from The Club. Girven won out.

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In an unbelievably underwhelming match, "Fearless" Oda Yamawaki of UPJ faced off with the junior heavyweight Fergus Storm. This was terribly underwhelming and went on FAR too long (thank you Fergus). It unfortunately cut into the main event time.

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A great main event. Golden Rebellion faced off with two of DRAGON's headliners and the UPJ JHW Champion in a fast paced 3 v 3. Michinoku got the pin for his side and sent off the fans home happy in 15 minutes.

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Unfortunately, the show tanked because I forgot to adjust the pushes to avoid the ridiculous "worker usage" penalty. It was nevertheless, very fun to book.

Skywalker1976 · September 9, 2018

Still a great idea!

Atticus · September 12, 2018

And we back. The tag tournaments went off great just as Japan entered a massive recession, so I'm going broke!!! But it's okay, the shows are still lit as my dreams for my own broadcaster get put on hold for another year. But as I'm writing it, the economy is back up on the rise despite the industry dropping. Anyways, back to the important stuff, tournaments! MORE MORE MORE! Decided to just dedicate most of October/November to just one big tag tournament because there's no chance in hell I'm booking back-to-back round robin tag team tournaments. Instead, just run both tournaments at once! And boy, I definitely NEVER forgot to book a match here and there.

Anyways, the Kings (Sean Girven and Alejandro Iglesias) beat Pain & Torture to win the heavyweight tag league and HashiWara won the junior tags cups as well as the reactivated Junior Tag Team Championships against SpaceWolf. EVR also defended the UPJ World Championship against Kato and Kinjo defeated Bruiser Cassidy to officially cement his place in the main event at Hall of Immortals.

Now for Hall of Immortals. The pre-show saw Thunder Iesada win because he is still not in the time decline despite pushing 50 and I'm gonna see if I can't slip him into a Junior Championship title defense. Next up was the gauntlet for the Blue Rhino 6-Man Championships which saw Captain UPJ & The Hunters defeat old man Takehide Harada, Koma Kobiashi, and Seung Zhi. They then defended it against TOKI INK and the Tokyo Tigers. Then lost to TEMPEST Masato, Aydan Farrell and Ram Diablo. Who then lost it to Junichi and Pain & Torture.

Next up was Ace Smith going over Ryotaro Naruto in a special exhibition match. Story just being the Four Kings starting to get a bit cocky and Ryotaro stepping up as the newer vet for the juniors trying to settle them down. Didn't work obviously. Then HashiWara defended their belts against Nakada & Yamada, who had beaten them in the tag tournament previously. Goto then challenged and defeated Furosuto for the Junior Championship. Unfortunately, this match was pretty flat-ish at a 79/B. Just a healthy reminder the junior division pop needs to step it up.

And the success for Ignite Zero kept rolling on as Kato would defeat Waotaka Eda for the Openweight next. A match stemming from them beefing after Eda beat Kato in the Ozeki Summit then Kato getting a pin over Eda in the heavyweight tag league. Plus, despite his impressive star quality, Eda is just a Hirooki Goto to me. Hell be a great jobber to the stars for me and not much else unfortunately unless his in-ring skills can really up themselves before he hits the TD. Kato is someone I really like, but similar to Eda, his in-ring skills are above average, but nothing special unfortunately. He still has time to develop, but I think some have already peaked.

Then Girven and Iglesias dethroned North American Scum for the tag titles. These two are either gonna have a short reign since I really think they're better off on their own or a massively long one because having a star team like this in my tag division would be great (and I need the depth anyways tbh). The Hunters are probably the next tag in line, but will probably hold off until the summer to give those belts up if I do. I'd like to see Avalanche improve just a tiny bit more first.

Next up is the semi-main event, which saw Juro Deguchi retain his IC belt against Oda Yamawaki. Previously, Yamawaki had defeated Deguchi in the Ozeki Summit and called Deguchi out for the match, fairly simple set up. Anyways, future ace Yamawaki and Deguchi produced a 99/A* match, which is great for me. Deguchi is still insane and if he hits the time decline this year before him v. Kinjo at Hall of the Immortals 2017, I will cry. I think Yamawaki will be the one to take the belt off him down the line. Maybe before the Ozeki Summit or right after, depending on how that time decline rolls.

And the main event, after winning the Ozeki Summit in a 100/A* against Kato, Kintaro Kinjo stood across from Erik van Rijn, ready to end his year long hold on the UPJ World Championship. And after nearly 40 minutes, the Ace of UPJ would dethrone EVR in his second 100/A* match of the year. It's almost fitting his 3rd UPJ World reign would start like his other two at Hall of Immortals and I like to imagine this is the win that truly cemented him as ace (mainly because I think December or January is when his figurehead bonus came into play) of UPJ. I think all of his stats have peaked now, but he's without a doubt my #1 wrestler, surpassing Juro, but still behind EVR for mic skills. Also the most popular wrestler in Japan (and 4th most popular in Europe after I bought out N-EW and got myself a nice PPV deal)!

Show ended up being a 97/A* which is awesome and I hope to match it or maybe hit higher in 2017. Also locked up Nobuhisa Yasutake from LETHAL to a full time deal bc his star quality is insane. Might have him be the unofficial ace for the unaligned. Future is hopefully in good hands as we move forward though. It sucks to be bleeding money like I am, especially after jumping to national and signing guys to written contracts, but the economy is picking back up, so hopefully I won't be in too bad a spot once it drags itself out of the 20s. Course, I say that, but if I get a chance at buying another company, you know I'm gonna do it.

Also, any recommendations for good native heavyweight tag teams and junior tag teams? Or even just some good pairings? My roster is stacked as is with enough gaijins, so trying to reign it in a bit. My heavyweight division needs the depth more than anything.

and this lil brat Dustin LeFever thinks he's too good for developmental! But his SQ is rising and i'm worried that MHero put a curse on me to make sure LeFever becomes my star junior wrestler.

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